JECWSU wrote...
The shepard that I have that left Kaidan for Thane happens to be a sole survivor. For her Kaidan calling her a traitor was horrible. She was afraid to let someone get close to her for fear of loosing someone she loved a gain. It took a lot for her to let him in, but she did. She believed he loved her and trusted her. She sees him and he rejects her. He breaks her heart so the wall she built around herself goes back up. Until she meets Thane,and he slowly wins her heart. He gave her somehthing Kaidan didn't.
I think for her she can eventually forgive Kaidan, and might even understand his reason for the things he said. It's just too late for them.
I have never had that happen to me,and I've never done that to someone. I do think that if you manage to figure it out before you let the relationship go on to long then you shoud tell the other person. If you let it continue hope that your feelings will change then that isn't being fair to anyone.
Ideally, I totally agree. But sometimes it's hard to see your own motives. Sometimes, the only way is to make those stupid mistakes that hurt other people.
It gets easier as you get older, or just plain wiser in terms of relationships, but not everyone is like that. For me, it only took one date and the one foolish long-term relationship before I found the guy I consider to be the one--but if I hadn't had the foundation of a stable marriage between my parents and grandparents to look at, to compare things to, it could've been that I'd have made lots of much more terrible decisions based on what other people
said love is rather than what it actually is. (Because there are a lot of bs bits of folk wisdom floating around out there with the legitimately helpful information.) So many people ask, "how do you
know when you're in love? How do you
know what love is?" And that's actually a very hard question to answer. Lots of people get the wrong answer, or apply it wrongly to their own situation, and then they break up long afterward when it's really damaging; when they have a kid or a marriage or an apartment or all of the above.
I do feel like it's too late for my main Shepard and Kaidan, too. She felt in ME2 like Kaidan was her grown-up version of a teenage romance, and like Thane is the adult partner she was looking for. The mature guy she THOUGHT Kaidan was, but that he wasn't. I don't in any way expect her to flip on Thane. The only way she would potentially do so is if Kaidan outright
acknowledged her feelings and his wrongness--said outright,
"I'm sorry, I should never have doubted you. I said you betrayed me, but in fact I betrayed you. I will always love you. I understand and respect that you have someone else in your life now, and I would never try to pull you away from what makes you happy, I will stand aside for him... I will move on with my life, but in my heart there will never be anyone else for me. That's just the way it is, and I don't want to lie about it."If he said that,
then--and pretty much only then--can I imagine her having second thoughts. Yet, it's what I want to happen, actually. I want to get a better glimpse of who Thane and Kaidan really are as characters. And if my impressions were strongly different, I can see her ending up with Kaidan. But that seems like a really small possibility, at this point. That he would say exactly the right things, and be exactly the right character this time around while on the other hand Thane wasn't the guy I thought he was... I fully expect Thane to be happy with Shepard, and her to be happy with him, in my main playthrough.
I think it's mostly just, if I don't feel emotionally torn because of the writing, it wouldn't feel like real life and I wouldn't enjoy it. I want them to write it well enough to tempt me to go back to Kaidan. I would rather feel conflicted and remain in that "sensing" mode, you know? Trying to listen to Shepard's feelings rather than saying, "well, I picked Thane for this playthrough and it would be mean to let him go, so I'll just do Kaidan another time regardless of what he says that makes me feel things." I want to feel that sense of uncertainty which comes with real life. Those times I make choices based on "I can try that another time" feel much less enjoyable than the ones where I choose based on how I perceive the character.
I guess that's true with all my playthroughs, more or less. I don't see Torran giving up Jack, but he will feel drawn to Ashley and guilty for hurting her. I don't see Ryla giving up Liara because they're absolutely perfect for each other, but she does have a sort of "player" streak which will make it difficult for her not to flirt; flirting is just a part of her nature, not that she would ever cheat on Liara (unless she decided she hated herself and didn't believe herself worthy of Liara, but I think they're pretty stable.) I just like the ambiguity of sensing rather than letting myself premeditate my decisions.
I much prefer when the game gives me enough information about the characters to be able to say, "I feel this and I'm going to do this," rather than giving me only a little info and then saying, "this is the time to choose the variable lol what do you want to do?" when I'm still feeling unsure.
Unsure example--picking the options at the end of ME1. They don't give you enough information in that moment to know what you're likely to sacrifice to save the Council, or who is on board besides the Council, it's too ambiguous in terms of info and there are actually only two options, but you don't get to know that.
Enough information example--Horizon. Yeah. Kaidan calling me a traitor and then walking away before giving me a chance to explain made it pretty clear that I didn't want to wait for him. The cheap Horizon letter made me all the more sure. And that was before my Shepard even met Thane.
The Sarendoctrinator wrote...
I haven't seen all of the spoilers (the
script I read must have been incomplete), but I can say that Kaidan has
a reaction that is unique to Jacob, so I'm guessing the others will get
their own variations. Anyway, he doesn't seem angry about Shep finding
someone else. He handled it really well.
That is good, I think... ideally, I'd want him to give her her freedom and respect her choices, but still show emotion and let her know whether or not he still has feelings for her. If he's hurt, I'd understand it. If he was angry, I would be too.
The Sarendoctrinator wrote...
I thought Feron was interesting the first time
around, but I'll probably like him even more now. I might actually have
to watch LotSB on youtube. I've only read about it on the wiki, so my
memory of Feron's scenes is not the best.
Definitely watch it if you're not going to play through it! It's awesome, it really is. If they are that inventive and on top of the emotional elements in ME3, I will be one happy girl.
*giggles* I love when Liara tries to be all reassuring--"We'll be back for you!" and then Feron, strapped down to the chair that he can't get out of without frying his brain, is like, "I'll try not to go anywhere."
If it helps, here are
a number of the cutscenes, and
the final battle scenes, and finally,
his epilogue convo. The Sarendoctrinator wrote...
Those issues about
Kaidan will be brought up, and I did get the feeling that he cared. My
MainShep would never even consider forgiving him otherwise. Actually,
now that I think about it, there are so many things in ME3 that sound
perfect for her, like dialogues with squadmates/friends (thinking of
Thane and Kaidan in particular here). Very emotional scenes.
I am really looking forward to those! I want those moments. They were just not present enough in ME2 for my liking, and it made me feel alienated from some of my favorite characters at times. Especially Calib--I mean, Garrus.
Modifié par Wynne, 11 janvier 2012 - 12:17 .
Glad you enjoyed the dialogues. I'll get my Shepards to test out that plot armor again soon, and bring Thane along for the ride.
The strange thing is, I saw a youtube video that swapped Shepard's character model for Saren and made him dance like that... but it worked just fine for him.
Retour en haut
I'm so used to being called Kim by now, and I went through 8 months of Garrus thread to find those sig banners again!
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