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Posté 17 janvier 2012 - 10:22

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Shepard is deployed, she would have her dogtags either on her, or in her quarters.
I say she was wearing them, but someone that was dedicated enough could have digged them out of the Normandy's rubble.

Liara wasn't the first to get a hold of Shep's body, any human merc with half a brain, even Feron, would recognize the value of the Savior of the Citadel's dogtags. 
The Collectors only wanted Shep's body, so no harm done in taking'em. For all we know, Hackett could just have been keeping an eye on the black market when he found them, or paid an info broker to do it for him.

As for Mom Shep not getting the tags, as I said before, if Hackett got a hold of them after Shepard resurfaced, he would want to send them to her directly. Shepard is off the grid, Hackett can't exactly send the dogtags by mail. Liara is a loyal friend and a damn good information broker to boot, if anyone could be trusted to get them back to her safely, she could.
That's how I rationalized it anyway. I wish they'd throw us a bone sometimes...<_<
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I'll admit, I've always enjoyed the whole "Protagonist diseapears for X amount of time, galaxy moves on, protagonist returns." plot device. I do agree, however,that they could have handled it better, or given us clearer info on how things went down. You'd think Shepard would at least be curious, but you never really have the chance to ask anyone about it, let alone just talk about how you feel about being brought back from the dead. -_-;

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Is it Mars yet? no? :(


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Posté 17 janvier 2012 - 11:16

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Liara having those dogtags only works if she is a friend or your LI. Other than that I don't think she should have them. Some people don't really consider Liara a friend, and some didn't even talk to her.Those dogtags really should have gone to Shepards mother not Liara if you are a spacer. I think Hannah would have wanted her childs dogtags. Bioware should have just let Hackett hold on to them until he could return them Shepard himself in Arrival.

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Posté 17 janvier 2012 - 11:23

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I think I've only got one shepard that is friendly with Liara. For the ones that see her as an acquaintance, her having the dog tags is weird and a little creepy.

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Posté 17 janvier 2012 - 11:33

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I just started another PT from a save I had in ME in which I have NO idea who I romanced, what choices I made etc.,  so I have to pay attention!  And it was aggravating to hear that she was dead for two years, and then have her say to the Citadel officer that she was declared MIA.  :blink:  Consistency would be nice, and until you guys brought it up, the whole dogtag thing hadn't even occurred to me!

Anyway, since I have no idea with whom I supposed to be in a relationship (two years dead will do that to a gal), I feel my Shep weakening toward that Drell....

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Posté 17 janvier 2012 - 11:53

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Cosmochyck wrote...

I just started another PT from a save I had in ME in which I have NO idea who I romanced, what choices I made etc.,  so I have to pay attention!  And it was aggravating to hear that she was dead for two years, and then have her say to the Citadel officer that she was declared MIA.  :blink:  Consistency would be nice, and until you guys brought it up, the whole dogtag thing hadn't even occurred to me!


I just saw the whole Dead, Not-dead, MIA situation as Bioware immediately backpedaling from the whole ressurection thing. Like they realized, far too late, that they had made an oopsie, and went through all of ME2, down-playing the asphyxiation-plummet-through-the-atmosphere-collision-with-explosive-velocity bit as much as possible.

I mean, I know telling people like Tali or the VS or that Citidel agent about the Lazarus project would be met with all the derision and scorn that plot richly deserved, Savior of the Citadel or no. But that oscillation was just inexcusable, especially considering that no real information was given about how it was done, how Shepard's body was found in the first place and how there was a body to ressurect to begin with!

You can't just flop around like a dying fish on a deck when the deck hasn't even been firmly established! We were already confused about the whole thing, adrift with a wretched lack of information or exposition on our character's death and ressurection and how it affected them, and then they danced around the issue like it was on fire.

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...It seems I very much suck at making points, so I'll stop trying. I'll blame it on english not being my first language. 
(Because of how the game is written, whether or not your Shep likes Liara is kind of irrelevant. She'll be loyal to the end either way, it's all I meant.)

Let's drop the dogtag thing and get back to Thane, yes? :D<3



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Anyway, since I have no idea with whom I supposed to be in a relationship (two years dead will do that to a gal), I feel my Shep weakening toward that Drell....


Go for the Drell! Go for the Drell! *waves Thane flag* <3 

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Asenza wrote...

I just saw the whole Dead, Not-dead, MIA situation as Bioware immediately backpedaling from the whole ressurection thing. Like they realized, far too late, that they had made an oopsie, and went through all of ME2, down-playing the asphyxiation-plummet-through-the-atmosphere-collision-with-explosive-velocity bit as much as possible.

I mean, I know telling people like Tali or the VS or that Citidel agent about the Lazarus project would be met with all the derision and scorn that plot richly deserved, Savior of the Citadel or no. But that oscillation was just inexcusable, especially considering that no real information was given about how it was done, how Shepard's body was found in the first place and how there was a body to ressurect to begin with!

You can't just flop around like a dying fish on a deck when the deck hasn't even been firmly established! We were already confused about the whole thing, adrift with a wretched lack of information or exposition on our character's death and ressurection and how it affected them, and then they danced around the issue like it was on fire.


ARGHH. Sorry for the double post. D:

I agree, we needed to be thrown a bone, expecting us to fill in so many blanks is crazy.
I was always put off by how accepting Shep was about the whole situation, she got brought back from the dead for frack's sake! It's a huge event, and they place no emphasis on it.

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Posté 18 janvier 2012 - 12:14

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Cosmochyck wrote...

Anyway, since I have no idea with whom I supposed to be in a relationship (two years dead will do that to a gal), I feel my Shep weakening toward that Drell....

I've started making a list of all my Shepards' major decisions, a few conversation choices, and their relationships with other characters because of this problem. After spending months away from the forums, I was forgetting the details.

Anyway, if you wait until Horizon and Illium, doesn't everyone have specific dialogue if they were romanced in ME1? That would be the best way to find out... unless you've already done those missions, then maybe reload a save and check? But if your Shepard and Thane work well together, of course she should go for him. It never works to try and make your Shepard do something if it's not in her character. I know, I've tried. xD

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Posté 18 janvier 2012 - 12:25

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Ellise wrote...

Asenza wrote...

I just saw the whole Dead, Not-dead, MIA situation as Bioware immediately backpedaling from the whole ressurection thing. Like they realized, far too late, that they had made an oopsie, and went through all of ME2, down-playing the asphyxiation-plummet-through-the-atmosphere-collision-with-explosive-velocity bit as much as possible.

I mean, I know telling people like Tali or the VS or that Citidel agent about the Lazarus project would be met with all the derision and scorn that plot richly deserved, Savior of the Citadel or no. But that oscillation was just inexcusable, especially considering that no real information was given about how it was done, how Shepard's body was found in the first place and how there was a body to ressurect to begin with!

You can't just flop around like a dying fish on a deck when the deck hasn't even been firmly established! We were already confused about the whole thing, adrift with a wretched lack of information or exposition on our character's death and ressurection and how it affected them, and then they danced around the issue like it was on fire.


ARGHH. Sorry for the double post. D:

I agree, we needed to be thrown a bone, expecting us to fill in so many blanks is crazy.
I was always put off by how accepting Shep was about the whole situation, she got brought back from the dead for frack's sake! It's a huge event, and they place no emphasis on it.


No amount of dedication to "duty calls"/ "the mission is too important" surmounts an emotional reaction to and some kind of reflection on death and rebirth, especially when the death and rebirth was Shepard's own.

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The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

Cosmochyck wrote...

Anyway, since I have no idea with whom I supposed to be in a relationship (two years dead will do that to a gal), I feel my Shep weakening toward that Drell....

I've started making a list of all my Shepards' major decisions, a few conversation choices, and their relationships with other characters because of this problem. After spending months away from the forums, I was forgetting the details.

Anyway, if you wait until Horizon and Illium, doesn't everyone have specific dialogue if they were romanced in ME1? That would be the best way to find out... unless you've already done those missions, then maybe reload a save and check? But if your Shepard and Thane work well together, of course she should go for him. It never works to try and make your Shepard do something if it's not in her character. I know, I've tried. xD


Well, the bestest way to find out would be to check your cabin for a portrait. ^.^ I always wondered where that thing came from, it's vaguely creepy. 

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Posté 18 janvier 2012 - 12:30

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Random maybe, but am I the only one worrying for any playthroughs where you "cheated" on someone? I have no doubt Thane's gonna be subtle about it or at least 'cool', but I doubt Kaidan will.

What worries me the most is a repeat of what happened in ME2. That you won't get a chance to actually defend yourself. I wanted to scream to Kaidan and Ashley that I was quite dead... or something but they just kept on talking and being aggressive. Ages ago I played the game so I don't recall if that was the actual thing, but I remember something frustrating me to hell about that situation. >.>

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Posté 18 janvier 2012 - 12:39

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Nerana wrote...

Random maybe, but am I the only one worrying for any playthroughs where you "cheated" on someone? I have no doubt Thane's gonna be subtle about it or at least 'cool', but I doubt Kaidan will.

What worries me the most is a repeat of what happened in ME2. That you won't get a chance to actually defend yourself. I wanted to scream to Kaidan and Ashley that I was quite dead... or something but they just kept on talking and being aggressive. Ages ago I played the game so I don't recall if that was the actual thing, but I remember something frustrating me to hell about that situation. >.>


Oh yeah. They talk at you, hardly letting you get a word in edgewise, and all but ignoring what you say when you do.

I specifically structured some playthroughs to have a "cheater". For instance, I have a Tali romancing Shepard who romanced Ashley in ME1.... just to see how she reacts in ME3. For my Thane-romancing Shepard, I decided I liked the idea of Thane and Shepard having someone in their past who they lost, one way or the other. Most of my other playthroughs are just curious, just to see what will happen. I hope it isn't just a few different lines, only to be completely forgotten.

The only one I won't cheat on is Liara. I have a loyal playthrough for her... She's already shown her angry/jealous side in Lair of the Shadow Broker, and if I cheated on her, I don't think I could shake the fact that, seeing as she'll live so long, she could give Shepard's great-great-great-great grandkids hell over it.

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Posté 18 janvier 2012 - 12:44

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Asenza wrote...

The only one I won't cheat on is Liara. I have a loyal playthrough for her... She's already shown her angry/jealous side in Lair of the Shadow Broker, and if I cheated on her, I don't think I could shake the fact that, seeing as she'll live so long, she could give Shepard's great-great-great-great grandkids hell over it.


This made me laugh. That is just sad if Liara is still angry after all that time. 

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Nerana wrote...

Random maybe, but am I the only one worrying for any playthroughs where you "cheated" on someone? I have no doubt Thane's gonna be subtle about it or at least 'cool', but I doubt Kaidan will.

What worries me the most is a repeat of what happened in ME2. That you won't get a chance to actually defend yourself. I wanted to scream to Kaidan and Ashley that I was quite dead... or something but they just kept on talking and being aggressive. Ages ago I played the game so I don't recall if that was the actual thing, but I remember something frustrating me to hell about that situation. >.>


I have one playthrough were my Shepard left Kaidan for Thane. I was curious to see what would happen. If LotSB was a clue than there wont be any real consequences
I think Kaidan will be hurt, but I can't see him yelling at you. Ashley I can see being very upset though.

I will be a bit upset if I don't get the chance to defend myself, and I  won't be happy if Shepard comes out looking bad in all this.

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Posté 18 janvier 2012 - 12:58

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Oh yeah the creepy cabin pic!!  I totally forgot!<_<  I'll check it out now.  Yes, I'm already recruiting Jack and haven't even set foot in my cabin yet.  This is what happens when you don't buy fish.  :whistle:

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Posté 18 janvier 2012 - 01:09

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JECWSU wrote...

Asenza wrote...

The only one I won't cheat on is Liara. I have a loyal playthrough for her... She's already shown her angry/jealous side in Lair of the Shadow Broker, and if I cheated on her, I don't think I could shake the fact that, seeing as she'll live so long, she could give Shepard's great-great-great-great grandkids hell over it.


This made me laugh. That is just sad if Liara is still angry after all that time. 


"Yes you came back, and now you're trying to take the place of a dying man's wife."

Low, blow Liara! You almost joke about Jacob's torso, Jack's tats, and Garrus' calibrations, and then you talk about Thane like that? *slaps*

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Asenza wrote...

JECWSU wrote...

Asenza wrote...

The only one I won't cheat on is Liara. I have a loyal playthrough for her... She's already shown her angry/jealous side in Lair of the Shadow Broker, and if I cheated on her, I don't think I could shake the fact that, seeing as she'll live so long, she could give Shepard's great-great-great-great grandkids hell over it.


This made me laugh. That is just sad if Liara is still angry after all that time. 


"Yes you came back, and now you're trying to take the place of a dying man's wife."

Low, blow Liara! You almost joke about Jacob's torso, Jack's tats, and Garrus' calibrations, and then you talk about Thane like that? *slaps*


I did notice that. What she says about everyone else is actually pretty funny, and whe she rolls her eyes when taking about Miranda's outfit made me laugh. I thought what she says about Thane was just plain cruel.

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I don't want to post spoilers here, though I do know what happens with the results of Shepard's cheating and death... so all I can say is, try not to worry so much about those things. They did a good job with it, in my opinion.

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Well, the bestest way to find out would be to check your cabin for a portrait. ^.^ I always wondered where that thing came from, it's vaguely creepy. 

...I totally forgot about that. Just shows you how much I liked the ME1 romances, huh? xD

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Nerana wrote...

Random maybe, but am I the only one worrying for any playthroughs where you "cheated" on someone? I have no doubt Thane's gonna be subtle about it or at least 'cool', but I doubt Kaidan will.

What worries me the most is a repeat of what happened in ME2. That you won't get a chance to actually defend yourself. I wanted to scream to Kaidan and Ashley that I was quite dead... or something but they just kept on talking and being aggressive. Ages ago I played the game so I don't recall if that was the actual thing, but I remember something frustrating me to hell about that situation. >.>


Horizon was facepalm worthy, that's for sure. But they needed it to go bad for future *drama*. 

My first run will be a "cheater", I felt that it worked well for a Thane Romance. 

I don't think I could have "cheated" on Liara or Ash, but for some reason, Kaidan doesn't bother me as much. 
I'd venture a guess and say it's because of how uncertain he his about everything, though he's always been that way, even in ME1. 

I'm half-expecting Kaidan to already know about Thane by the time the events of ME3 roll around. 

In any case, I hope we'll be able to have an adult conversation about it, and I hope to god Thane isn't involved in it. There's only so much awkwardness my poor Shep can take. ^_^

It's been almost 3 years, Kaidan should have moved on. If he hasn't, I want the chance to tell him that for both their sakes, he needs to. 
It kills me when I think of how much pain he went through after Shep died, my Jane can't help but feel like she owes him something, the playing field isn't leveled, even after what he said on horizon.

Hurting him again is painful, but she has no regrets about Thane. 

I'm hoping that by the end, bridges will be somewhat mended.

Of course this all depends on Kaidan's whole attitude towards Shep. I predict he'll be composed and sensible, but you never know. If he jabs at my Shep, I will not be pleased.
Also, a  "Siha? :huh:" line when you first meet Thane and he's in your squad, would be great. ^^

@Cosmochyck: I never buy fish either, too much trouble, and I always end up killing them.:crying: Jeez, Cerberus can bring people back from the dead, but they can't come up with a automatic fish food dispenser?? For shame...<_<

@ Saren: That's good news. *Is a happy camper*:)

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JECWSU wrote...

I did notice that. What she says about everyone else is actually pretty funny, and whe she rolls her eyes when taking about Miranda's outfit made me laugh. I thought what she says about Thane was just plain cruel.


Oh, I don't think I ever heard what she said about Miranda. What did she say?

Tali "...Yes you came back, and now you can't wait to get under Tali's helmet." (More than just her helmet, but ok..)
Jacob "...and now you're more interested in seeing Jacob... with his shirt off." (Who wouldn't? You could grind rocks on those!)
Jack "...and now you're more interested in a tatooed woman with anger issues." (Actually... meh. That was just meh.)
Garrus "...and now Garrus is doing a lot more than calibrating the Normandy's guns." (Ha ha, very funny.)
Samara "..and now you're with a Justicar far more beautiful and interesting than I"  (Ok, sadly not.)
Thane "... and now you're trying to take the place of a dying man's wife." (Whaaa?!)

It's just particularly spiteful, is all.

I could think of loads of worse things to say about Tali or Garrus, Jacob and Jack.
 

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Asenza wrote...

Samara "..and now you're with a Justicar far more beautiful and interesting than I"  (Ok, sadly not.)
Thane "... and now you're trying to take the place of a dying man's wife." (Whaaa?!)


Oh, oh! This one approves.:lol:

The Thane line was brutal. Frankly, I would have expected better from her, cheating or no cheating. 

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Asenza wrote...

JECWSU wrote...

I did notice that. What she says about everyone else is actually pretty funny, and whe she rolls her eyes when taking about Miranda's outfit made me laugh. I thought what she says about Thane was just plain cruel.


Oh, I don't think I ever heard what she said about Miranda. What did she say?

Tali "...Yes you came back, and now you can't wait to get under Tali's helmet." (More than just her helmet, but ok..)
Jacob "...and now you're more interested in seeing Jacob... with his shirt off." (Who wouldn't? You could grind rocks on those!)
Jack "...and now you're more interested in a tatooed woman with anger issues." (Actually... meh. That was just meh.)
Garrus "...and now Garrus is doing a lot more than calibrating the Normandy's guns." (Ha ha, very funny.)
Samara "..and now you're with a Justicar far more beautiful and interesting than I"  (Ok, sadly not.)
Thane "... and now you're trying to take the place of a dying man's wife." (Whaaa?!)

It's just particularly spiteful, is all.

I could think of loads of worse things to say about Tali or Garrus, Jacob and Jack.
 


This is what she says about Miranda



It is spiteful. She just sounds bitter.
She's reminding you that Thane is dying, and basically saying that Shepard is just a replacement for his wife which isn't true.

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Ellise wrote...

Asenza wrote...

Samara "..and now you're with a Justicar far more beautiful and interesting than I"  (Ok, sadly not.)
Thane "... and now you're trying to take the place of a dying man's wife." (Whaaa?!)


Oh, oh! This one approves.:lol:

The Thane line was brutal. Frankly, I would have expected better from her, cheating or no cheating. 


Oh yes, Samara's a particular favorite of mine. I mostly like everyone to some degree but Thane, Samara and Jack stand head and shoulders above the rest for me.

@JECWSU,

Oh, there it is, thanks.  It's like Liara's counting Miranda's low-cut jumpsuit as a fourth party in the relationship! And of course Miranda gets the eye roll...

Wait. Miranda's cat-suit isn't low cut... it's nearly non-existent and plastered to her like a second skin, but if it's not one thing, it's low cut... Well, I'll put it this way, low-cut is the last thing I notice about it...

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Posté 18 janvier 2012 - 02:06

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I can't believe how miserable Liara is toward Thane.  Now I'm definitely "cheating" on her and heading toward sexy Mr. Krios.  I may have to brave the dreaded Mako and do another ME1 PT just for Kaidan to stay loyal.  I have another Kaidan PT where I've already cheated with Mr. Krios.  What's wrong with me?  I can't resist that Drell!  I have the same issue with Fenris!   Argh!!!

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About the ME1 romances and Shepard cheating/moving on: I have no problem with it after how Ashley and Kaidan reacted to Shepard on Horizon, but even though I've never liked Liara at all, I think it would be sad to make a Shepard who cheats on her. She stays loyal to Shepard and would go through hell and back for her/him, and Shepard knows it, so cheating on her then... just seems strange, unless your Shepard has a different reason for it than the reasons we commonly use for VS break-ups. Still, I'm planning a new Shep for it. For science?

Also, on the subject of Thane, I've considered making a Shepard who romances Kaidan but then loses him on Virmire, and then pairing her with Thane. Then there would be two of them who lost a loved one. (Technically, my Natalie Shepard, who is paired with Thane, has also lost loved ones... it just didn't happen in-game where I can play out the drama. She's already coped with it long before ME1 starts.)

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I never buy fish either, too much trouble, and I always end up killing them.Posted Image Jeez, Cerberus can bring people back from the dead, but they can't come up with a automatic fish food dispenser?? For shame...Posted Image

I still remember when I first found out we were supposed to feed the fish... I had finally realized that it was possible to click on the tank, but what I saw there was a "clean out dead fish" button. It shocked me when I clicked it and all the fish, which I thought were just swimming at the top of the tank, suddenly disappeared. o_o And later I was told that you have to feed them after every mission or so. Biotic fish, they must be.
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