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[JECWSU]

Friera wrote...

Asenza wrote...




And besides, there's already several characters that have the whole "never shown their face to anyone"/never-had-a meaningful-relationship-before thing going for them.

That´s true. Thanes love seperates from other ME love as far as I´ve seen.

I was just wondering after reading that funny drell memory with Garrus - Can´t Thane control his memoriesflashes? Since they keep poping up. If not, the scene in the comic could actually happend XD 

Yes Thane can control them. He might slip sometimes, but I think for the most part he has them under control.
If that happened with Garrus I would probably laugh.

[Graywolf11]

Ellise wrote...

 I'm 20. 

I like that he talks about Irikah. It makes Shep special in a way, that he could fall in love with her in spite of everything in his past.  

We don't know alot about Thane, but I think we can safely assume that he wouldn't enter a relationship with Shepard if he didn't feel strongly about her. He doesn't seem the type to bother if that wasn't the case. Also, I'm sure as hell he wasn't expecting it to turn out this way when they first met, I like that.

That being said, I hope we're past these dead wife/son/past life conversations in ME3, I want to get to know him better.

About the "I will await you across the sea" bit, assuming there even is an afterlife, Shep will probably have found someone else too by the time she dies so...Gah, how depressing. But that's assuming the after-life even works the way we think it does, it probably won't, which makes it a non-issue. We'll cross that bridge when we get there, I guess. ;p

I don't believe that you stop loving someone after they die, I think Thane is still in love with Irikah, but she's dead, he knows it and he let go. His willingness to enter a relationship with Shep is a testament to that, he's not the kind of guy who'd take this cr@p lightly.

@Enmystic:  That is comic gold! xD

@Cosmochyck: Oh...<3Angua never fails to make me swoon.

Well said!
In my head the afterlife would be a place without insecurities (jealousy) where you just meet the people you love, so having past relations there too wouldn`t be a problem.

[JECWSU]

Ellise wrote...

JECWSU wrote...

Thane never once said "I'll await you across the sea with Irikah". who ever said that was just trying to be funny, and they failed, because Thane would never say that.

Of course not xD But if there is an "across the sea", it's safe to assume she'll be around.

I don't expect to hear anything about her in ME3. Maybe from Kolyat, but that wouldn't bother me because she is his mother.

Kolyat, yes, he's his son, I'd like to know what he's doing with his life. But we get so little romance convos, it would be a shame go back there again.

I just think people who don't like it really have an issue with the fact that he loved someone before Shepard. He had a life before Shepard. Shepard can't be everybodys one and only love.

I agree. I don't get it either, part of his appeal is the fact that he's older and more experienced than the others. It makes everything more... meaningful, at least for me. 

I agree with everything you said.

I'm sure Irikah will be around. I think somone on another thread added the with Irikah part and some people thought that's what Thane actually says. If any of them actually read the letter than they would know Thane didn't say that.

[JECWSU]

Does anyone think Thane would ever marry again? Would your Shepard even want to get married?

[Cosmochyck]

JECWSU wrote...

Does anyone think Thane would ever marry again? Would your Shepard even want to get married?

I think Thane would marry again, but not gven his current situation.  If he has no chance for a longer life, I don't think he'd be as inclined. 
As for my Shep, she'd be all over the man!  Once the Reapers are taken care of, she's taking a well-deserved early retirement, which would include Thane.  They'll live somewhere quiet and enjoy each other and whatever may come. 

A marriage would be great to see in game.  Oh if only...and if not, maybe we can get DahliaLynn to create a mod for one!

[Friera]

JECWSU wrote...

Does anyone think Thane would ever marry again? Would your Shepard even want to get married?

Ohmygod! I would pay double to see a wedding! Or at least him propose! *fangirl squeel*

Im preparing for a Garrus romance playthrough, simply because he is in your squad in ME3. Gonna be painful not to romance Thane...  Even if I really like Garrus.

[Asenza]

JECWSU wrote...

Does anyone think Thane would ever marry again? Would your Shepard even want to get married?

My Shepard wouldn't mind it. I guess Thane would marry again, under altered circumstances.

On a rather separate note, I am a bit saddened at the lack of diversity when it comes to things like pairing and marriage in the ME universe. No polyandry or societies less-centered on the traditional nuclear family unit. No societies where the males and females only come together to procreate and the men raise the children and the women wander off... there are a ridiculous number of variations in nature on Earth, but we barely see anything different in space. You mean to tell me that an Asari, who can live for hundreds of years, never found two or three people at one time interesting enough to form a group with?

As long as two people are in love and dedicated to each other, I don't see how or why their togetherness should have to be sanctioned by anybody, especially when it comes to members of two different species.

EDIT: close to page 200!

Modifié par Asenza, 18 janvier 2012 - 07:31 .

[Cosmochyck]

Ellise wrote...

JECWSU wrote...

Does anyone think Thane would ever marry again? Would your Shepard even want to get married?

I would have said no, but I've seen it done well in fanfic before. I agree with Cosmo that he wouldn't go for it unless he got a lifespan boost, even then...It's difficult to say.

My Shep isn't the marrying type, but she could never say no to Thane if it was truly important to him.

I draw the line at adopting war orphans, though.

On a seperate note, we're getting the demo on Valentine's day!

And as Asenza said, we're getting close to the big 200. (finally...^.^)

WHAT???  That's fantastic!  Although what happened to January

[Thrazesul]

If Thane'd ask and if it was important to him, my Shep would accept with joy, but she wouldn't bring it up. Marriage just isn't her thing.

How many here will play the demo? (if it's available to everyone) I'll stay away from it personally, don't want more spoilers or more teasers. D:

[JECWSU]

I will see what people say about the demo. I don't remeber playing any demo for ME1 or 2. Did they have a demo?

[JECWSU]

Cosmochyck wrote...

JECWSU wrote...

Does anyone think Thane would ever marry again? Would your Shepard even want to get married?

I think Thane would marry again, but not gven his current situation.  If he has no chance for a longer life, I don't think he'd be as inclined. 
As for my Shep, she'd be all over the man!  Once the Reapers are taken care of, she's taking a well-deserved early retirement, which would include Thane.  They'll live somewhere quiet and enjoy each other and whatever may come. 

A marriage would be great to see in game.  Oh if only...and if not, maybe we can get DahliaLynn to create a mod for one!

I agree.
If Thane could be cured or have his life prolonged I think he would marry again. I think he would love to spend the rest of his life with Shepard, and mine would marry him in a second. After everything is taken care of with the Reapers they would go to Shepards apartment or some other planet. Maybe they would just travel around the galaxy. My Shepard doesn't want to retire yet, but she would love to take Than on that desert vacation.

[Graywolf11]

pusking that 200 page 

[Asenza]

Graywolf11 wrote...




pusking that 200 page 

Oh my, that's a lovely picture. Especially considering most "good" shots from his romance scenes have him sitting down, a close up of his face. Anyone have a good one from the final romance scene?

Modifié par Asenza, 18 janvier 2012 - 08:28 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

I'm 21 and I wasn't bothered in the slightest by how much he spoke of Irikah. In fact, I thought it was a sign that he was being himself and speaking his mind, rather than feeling all awkward around Shepard. I believe that says something in its own right.

Then again, I'm a guy so I wouldn't know how to interpret this from a woman's perspective. But your comments all make sense to me.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 19 janvier 2012 - 04:28 .

[Wynne]

I do think Thane can/will move on. It's just, the characteristics they chose, added to how short the romance was, added to the fact that his has been done before for male romance options, but NOT EVER for a female (correct me if I'm wrong and there is a dead perfect husband and angsty teenage daughter somewhere)...

It's a double standard. A weird one. An unpleasant one. It's okay for a male LI, but not for a female one, to have already had a first "love of one's life." That makes it feel borderline insulting/sexist to me, that men are allowed to have pasts and be viewed as mature, but not women. David Gaider once said it's unrealistic to expect an LI to not have a past. Well, sure it is, I agree with that statement--but where are the women with the Carth/Sky/Thane backstory, then? I don't want an LI without a past--but does it always have to include a sweeping romance with a dead woman that still haunts him to this day? Can't it ever just be a divorce? I wouldn't see that character as some kind of failure, especially not if they were still friends or if she cheated on him and was a flake. Why must she always be the perfect love of his life who's dead?

Admittedly, at least with Thane we have a character who isn't torn and pining, just reflecting sadly on what he once had. There's room to build, to keep going. That's not bad. If you can't be in a new category to him, at least you're siha #2. But some of the things do give me little twinges like that... the fact that he gives Shepard the same pet name as Irikah instead of one unique to Shepard, however flattering and lovely the name might be. I get that he's saying you're her equal, but it doesn't quite spell out that you're a new chapter in his life. I think the clearer that is, the better, and though it's done pretty well I think it still could've been a bit better executed.

Just to be clear, I don't blame this on Thane, of course not--it's just, it made him less fun than he should've been for me personally. I really hope ME3 will be about him and Shepard; let us see more of who he is.

That's what I want. The focus on the character, and yes the past is part of that, but--under the circumstances, I find the implications distract me from the actual plotline and character. Even more so when there's so little dialogue, and thus the family conversations feel like a whole lot of the romance.

I just want ME3's Thane content to be about Thane and Shepard. I don't want him to suppress things, I just want the focus to be on them this time. Maybe Kolyat a little, too. If Irikah is mentioned, I want it to be in the context of, "I remember her fondly, but I've moved on." No more sunset-colored eyes, just Thane and Shepard gazing up at the pyramids with a smile. That's my desire.

Modifié par Wynne, 18 janvier 2012 - 09:08 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Well said, Wynne! I do like the fact that Thane has such a complex past. Honestly, I probably wouldn't have liked him as much if he hadn't much of a past.

[Asenza]

Wynne wrote...

I do think Thane can/will move on. It's just, the characteristics they chose, added to how short the romance was, added to the fact that his has been done before for male romance options, but NOT EVER for a female (correct me if I'm wrong and there is a dead perfect husband and angsty teenage daughter somewhere)...

It's a double standard. A weird one. An unpleasant one. It's okay for a male LI, but not for a female one, to have already had a first "love of one's life." That makes it feel borderline insulting/sexist to me, that men are allowed to have pasts and be viewed as mature, but not women. David Gaider once said it's unrealistic to expect an LI to not have a past. Well, sure it is, I agree with that statement--but where are the women with the Carth/Sky/Thane backstory, then? I don't want an LI without a past--but does it always have to include a sweeping romance with a dead woman that still haunts him to this day? Can't it ever just be a divorce? I wouldn't see that character as some kind of failure, especially not if they were still friends or if she cheated on him and was a flake. Why must she always be the perfect love of his life who's dead?

Admittedly, at least with Thane we have a character who isn't torn and pining, just reflecting sadly on what he once had. There's room to build, to keep going. That's not bad. If you can't be in a new category to him, at least you're siha #2. Basically on the same level.

Just to be clear, I don't blame this on Thane, of course not--it's just, it made him less fun than he should've been for me personally. I really hope ME3 will be about him and Shepard; let us see more of who he is.

That's what I want. The focus on the character, and yes the past is part of that, but--under the circumstances, I find the implications distract me from the actual plotline and character. Even more so when there's so little dialogue, and thus the family conversations feel like a whole lot of the romance.

I just want ME3's Thane content to be about Thane and Shepard. I don't want him to suppress things, I just want the focus to be on them this time. Maybe Kolyat a little, too. If Irikah is mentioned, I want it to be in the context of, "I remember her fondly, but I've moved on." No more sunset-colored eyes, just Thane and Shepard gazing up at the pyramids with a smile. That's my desire.

Aww. Great post.

As to the female in Thane's position, i've (unfortunately) read several romance novels with that plot. Except with those romances, the previous love (who was essentially worshiped by the one who lost them,) was systematically torn down to the bare nubs throughout the books because the current LI had to best them in every conceivable category.

Far more about Thane would be nice. Why doesn't he have more murder stories? He wouldn't delight in them, like Zaeed, but he should have a few anecdotes, at least. He should talk about his early-childhood training, or living on Kahje. Does he keep in contact with his parents, or is it not expected of one given up for The Compact? Does he only read poetry or does he have a weakness for historicals or plays?

DOES HE DRINK HOT CHOCOLATE OR IS IT COFFEE OR GREEN TEA IN THAT CUP?!

For ME3, I would say to Thane, "About Irikah and Kolyat... I know. Now tell me something I don't know."

Modifié par Asenza, 18 janvier 2012 - 09:29 .

[JECWSU]

Wynne wrote...

I do think Thane can/will move on. It's just, the characteristics they chose, added to how short the romance was, added to the fact that his has been done before for male romance options, but NOT EVER for a female (correct me if I'm wrong and there is a dead perfect husband and angsty teenage daughter somewhere)...

It's a double standard. A weird one. An unpleasant one. It's okay for a male LI, but not for a female one, to have already had a first "love of one's life." That makes it feel borderline insulting/sexist to me, that men are allowed to have pasts and be viewed as mature, but not women. David Gaider once said it's unrealistic to expect an LI to not have a past. Well, sure it is, I agree with that statement--but where are the women with the Carth/Sky/Thane backstory, then? I don't want an LI without a past--but does it always have to include a sweeping romance with a dead woman that still haunts him to this day? Can't it ever just be a divorce? I wouldn't see that character as some kind of failure, especially not if they were still friends or if she cheated on him and was a flake. Why must she always be the perfect love of his life who's dead?

Admittedly, at least with Thane we have a character who isn't torn and pining, just reflecting sadly on what he once had. There's room to build, to keep going. That's not bad. If you can't be in a new category to him, at least you're siha #2. But some of the things do give me little twinges like that... the fact that he gives Shepard the same pet name as Irikah instead of one unique to Shepard, however flattering and lovely the name might be. I get that he's saying you're her equal, but it doesn't quite spell out that you're a new chapter in his life. I think the clearer that is, the better, and though it's done pretty well I think it still could've been a bit better executed.

Just to be clear, I don't blame this on Thane, of course not--it's just, it made him less fun than he should've been for me personally. I really hope ME3 will be about him and Shepard; let us see more of who he is.

That's what I want. The focus on the character, and yes the past is part of that, but--under the circumstances, I find the implications distract me from the actual plotline and character. Even more so when there's so little dialogue, and thus the family conversations feel like a whole lot of the romance.

I just want ME3's Thane content to be about Thane and Shepard. I don't want him to suppress things, I just want the focus to be on them this time. Maybe Kolyat a little, too. If Irikah is mentioned, I want it to be in the context of, "I remember her fondly, but I've moved on." No more sunset-colored eyes, just Thane and Shepard gazing up at the pyramids with a smile. That's my desire.

I pretty much agree with everything you have said here except the thing about Thane calling Irikah siha. Thane never once says that he did. He says he met another siha, but not that he called her siha.

Modifié par JECWSU, 18 janvier 2012 - 09:28 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

I really don't think he ever called Irikah siha myself. There's zero indication to this.

[Asenza]

@Wynne,

He doesn't give Shepard the same nickname he'd given Irikah. During his explanation of how they met, he said about Irikah, "I thought she was the goddess Arashu" the goddess of motherhood and protection, for the way she threw herself in death's way for someone she never met. Siha just happens to be one of Arashu's warrior angels.

Slightly related, but there's absolutely no evidence Thane ever went on calling Irikah, Arashu, the way he calls Shepard, Siha.

Well, they had the same quality in his eyes. Tenacious protectors. My Shepard's more fierce in wrath, but I'll run with it.

Modifié par Asenza, 18 janvier 2012 - 09:31 .

[JECWSU]

I've heard his conversation. He says he meet another siha . He also says he thought she was the goddess Arashu. He just thinks they are both siha's, but that doesn't mean that's what he called her.

Modifié par JECWSU, 18 janvier 2012 - 09:31 .

[JECWSU]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

I really don't think he ever called Irikah siha myself. There's zero indication to this.

Exactly.