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[The Sarendoctrinator]

Ellise wrote...

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

Kolyat, noooooooo! xD The poor boy would be traumatized. I can just see that happening.

*snip*

Oh god Saren, you've made my night. xD Now my flatmate thinks I'm making fun of him because I can't stop grinning like an idiot. Poor poor flatmate. 

I'm glad you enjoyed it. Carson's dialogues are always fun to write.

And you should definitely try leaving Thane with the Hold The Line group in at least one playthrough, if only for the extra line of dialogue and watching him shoot guys from behind cover while casually talking with Shep. I think he's pretty high up on the list of squadmates who will speak up there too, because I've seen him in that scene a lot. (I know for sure it was him when I took Garrus and Tali to the final battle on my first playthrough.)

[mythlover20]

Totally Off Topic, and I promise I'll read all the posts and say hello to everyone in the second of this double post, but first of all: and it absolutely has to be said:

HAPPY AUSTRALIA DAY MY FELLOW AUSSIES! 

Internet Thane Lamingtons and Normandy Pavalova for all!

I wonder if Miranda celebrates Aussie Day? Mmm. I feel a fanfic coming on...

[JECWSU]

Ellise wrote...

JECWSU wrote...

@Elise
I think I have found myself pick something green once or twice because of Thane, and green tea ice cream is good. I really like it. I know everyone probably won't but I think it's good. I've only had in Japan though.

Oh, good. I'm not alone.   You've been to Japan, I'm jealous!  Green tea ice cream sounds like a great idea to me. (I'm a huge tea drinker though, so I might be a little biased.^.^) If I ever go to Japan, I'll make it a point to try it.^^

I blame Thane. Not that I hated the color green.
Yes. I lived in Japan for 4 years. My husband is in the military so we were stationed in there. I actually just left Japan earlier this month.
If you are a big tea drinker than you might like it. I'm probably more of a coffee person , but I do like green tea and I love the ice cream.

[mythlover20]

Lyvef1re wrote...

Bi in real life. Admittedly selectively so but still, the fact I realised this from a video game character amused me greatly.
I didn't mean to imply that romancing the same sex as your real life persona made you gay/bi, just commenting that it pointed the fact I fell into that category.

As for the male perception of Thane I have found it is mostly meh purely because the friendship path with him (and the only one available to M-shep) is overshadowed by Garrus in the bromance aspect. You've also got the issue with him being only loosely tied to the plot that the majority of the ME2 cast suffers from to contend with. Overall I found him a far deeper character overall but he was unfortunately developed quite heavily on his romance. Which is really another problem with the ME2 cast. If you don't romance, dialogue dries up.

That all being said though, I'm a big fan of Thane because of his grit. He's a dying man, who has lost a great deal throughout his lifetime and yet he still managed to dig himself out of that ditch and even resolves to help out the galaxy before he reaches the end. That takes a lot of willpower. 

Hi Lyvef1re! Welcome back. Would you like a lamington? Here! *hands out plate of Thane lamingtons* There's more over there. *gestures to returning buffet table, now covered in Thane lamingtons, Normandy pavalova, meat pies, roo burgers, XXXX and VB* Enjoy!

I know I'm basically just repeating everything Cosmochyck said (sorry honey!) But I too agree with everything you say, which I think is subconsciously why I end up romancing everyone and then dumping them all for Thane. The non-romance lines absolutely sucked. All the characters were "meh". I'm hoping that even the npcs have a bit more dialogue this time around. My first playthrough I would stop and talk to Gardner on my way to talking to Garrus and it got really annoying listenin to the same three lines over and over and over and over.

I did get that feeling of the characters only being loosely connected to the plot. Even Shepard at some points. Almost as if they weren't essential, they just happened to be in the casting agent's waiting room when the developers came in. Rather immersion-ruining.

I love that screenie Cosmochyck! Thane is looking rather dapper, isn't he?

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

Oh, I've messed with the canon to create some of these Shepards, and I
justify it by saying that it would be strange to have all of them in the
same universe with some having near-identical pasts. My Carson is
technically not lying to say he's an orphan... he just leaves out the
part about being a "self-made" orphan.

That's one of the
reasons why Carson likes Thane, despite their completely opposite
personalities. He sees Thane as a good father, doing what he can to keep
his son safe and stop him from going down a dangerous path. Thane was
trained from a very young age to be an assassin, but Kolyat didn't grow
up with that lifestyle, and it doesn't need to be that way for him.
Carson grew up killing too (and I can just imagine him bragging to Thane
about how he made his first kill at a younger age), but it was
necessary for his survival, and he was sort of thrown into his crazy
life rather than choosing it for himself in the beginning. Something
that's normal and okay for him could easily get a less-experienced
person killed in the attempt, like Kolyat trying to be an assassin. I
think they both want better, less dangerous lives for their kids.

Self-made orphan. Yeah I can definitely see Carson doing that, and...

Wait a minute? Carson has a child?! Oh the poor little baby! Carson should not have children!. The poor thing would be killed the first time they got their little hands on the sparkle shooter! And they would definitely get their hands on the sparkle shooter! After all, it is a sparkle shooter! Little eyes would love it!

[The Sarendoctrinator]

I wonder if there was ever a point in the game's development when Shepard would have needed an assassin for the suicide mission, but ended up as cut content for the sake of time. I've seen a few people on the forums suggest how this could have been done, and unless I'm forgetting someone... all of the other squadmates have a specific purpose for the suicide mission, besides Mordin, but he's the most important for the rest of the plot. Garrus, Miranda, Jacob = team leaders; Jack, Samara, Morinth = biotic; Tali, Legion, Kasumi = tech; Grunt, Zaeed, Garrus (again) = strongest "hold the line" defenders.

Just kind of curious, after seeing others bring it up before. It doesn't really matter to me as long as I have a cool (biotic) assassin to bring around on missions.

mythlover20 wrote...

Self-made orphan. Yeah I can definitely see Carson doing that, and...

Wait a minute? Carson has a child?! Oh the poor little baby! Carson should not have children!. The poor thing would be killed the first time they got their little hands on the sparkle shooter! And they would definitely get their hands on the sparkle shooter! After all, it is a sparkle shooter! Little eyes would love it!

I meant Carson's future children. xD He did sort of raise some of my other Shepards, like a godfather, but has no children of his own. Yet. And Carson actually agrees with you that he should never have biological children. He's the awesome, fun, absolutely hilarious kind of crazy... but his family's filled with a lot of bad crazy.

It's kind of funny how most of the loyalty missions are focused around issues that are really personal to Carson, like that stuff I mentioned from Thane's mission, plus the fact that he's afraid his enemies would come after anyone he cares about the same way they did to Thane. In this case, it's Samara's loyalty mission that'll give him nightmares, having a kid who turns out to be a creepy serial killer because it's in the genes. Poor guy, I think the only loyalty mission that didn't bring up some terrifying hint of his past/future was Mordin's.

Modifié par The Sarendoctrinator, 26 janvier 2012 - 04:17 .

[JECWSU]

I think Thane was suppose to have more of a role during the suicide mission. I think it was changed for another character or something like that. I don't think it had anything to do with shepard needing an assasin though. I can't remember exactly. Maybe someone else would know better than me.

I know he was suppose to say something to shepard if he dies in ME2, but that was cut also.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

I've seen that line on the forums, for a romanced Thane who dies in the suicide mission. It's so sad.

[Sohe]

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the Thane romance in ME2, BUT I think it was WAYY to dramatic. And I'm pretty sure his romance is going to play off like a hospital soap opera tv show. which saddens me to think of it like so. Pretty sure if / and or, when I cry during some point in ME3, its probably going to be for his romance.

[JECWSU]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

I've seen that line on the forums, for a romanced Thane who dies in the suicide mission. It's so sad.

Yes it is. Did you hear the recording of it?
Hearing him say the lines is even sadder.

Sohe wrote...

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the Thane romance in ME2, BUT I think it was WAYY to dramatic. And I'm pretty sure his romance is going to play off like a hospital soap opera tv show. which saddens me to think of it like so. Pretty sure if / and or, when I cry during some point in ME3, its probably going to be for his romance.

If they end up turning his romance into some stupid soap opera I will be more than upset.

Modifié par JECWSU, 26 janvier 2012 - 07:49 .

[The Sarendoctrinator]

Well, I've seen a few episodes of soap operas, and... BioWare writing is so much better. But look at it this way, if they go the total soap opera route, Thane will randomly show up alive again and say that it was his evil twin who died.

JECWSU wrote...

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

I've seen that line on the forums, for a romanced Thane who dies in the suicide mission. It's so sad.

Yes it is. Did you hear the recording of it?
Hearing him say the lines is even sadder.

I don't listen to death scenes of my favorites, if it can be avoided. D: Same with break-up scenes.

[JECWSU]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

Well, I've seen a few episodes of soap operas, and... BioWare writing is so much better. But look at it this way, if they go the total soap opera route, Thane will randomly show up alive again and say that it was his evil twin who died.

JECWSU wrote...

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

I've seen that line on the forums, for a romanced Thane who dies in the suicide mission. It's so sad.

Yes it is. Did you hear the recording of it?
Hearing him say the lines is even sadder.

I don't listen to death scenes of my favorites, if it can be avoided. D: Same with break-up scenes.

I understand. I think most of us here have heard it out of curiosity. It would have been harder to see. 
I don't like watching break up scens either. I hate when Shepard tells him she can't love a dying man.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

That's what Shepard says? Wow, I've seen the "I can't replace your wife" lines around a lot, but for her to tell Thane that she can't love him because he's dying... that's really cruel of her, and a bit like adding insult to injury.

[JECWSU]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

That's what Shepard says? Wow, I've seen the "I can't replace your wife" lines around a lot, but for her to tell Thane that she can't love him because he's dying... that's really cruel of her, and a bit like adding insult to injury.

She says something like She can't do this. Love him now only to loose him later. You get the line when you go to see him and ask him how he's doing. Then he asks if you are well. You can say your fine or pick the line were you break it off. Thane looks so sad. Give the man hope only to take it away.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

At least that sounds better, but still... I agree, if Shepard doesn't want to fall in love with someone who has a good chance of dying soon, then she shouldn't have started the romance at all. Thane tells her that he's dying when she recruits him, before they even get back to the Normandy. She was given fair warning.

[mythlover20]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

At least that sounds better, but still... I agree, if Shepard doesn't want to fall in love with someone who has a good chance of dying soon, then she shouldn't have started the romance at all. Thane tells her that he's dying when she recruits him, before they even get back to the Normandy. She was given fair warning.

Agreed. She knew exactly what she was getting into. That said, you can see that she hates to do it. She is shamed, sad, and hurting as well. And she more than likely hate herself for leading him on and/or letting her insecurites get in the way and hurting him. I imagine her going back to the Loft that night and sitting on the shower floor, crying.

It was a good bit of acting, there.

Also, I've posted a new story on FanFic, called Solid Rock. Enjoy. I hope you don't mind, Saren. I stole your multiple Sheps on the same Normandy idea. Please don't hurt me. *hides*

Modifié par mythlover20, 26 janvier 2012 - 03:06 .

[Cosmochyck]

mythlover20 wrote...

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

At least that sounds better, but still... I agree, if Shepard doesn't want to fall in love with someone who has a good chance of dying soon, then she shouldn't have started the romance at all. Thane tells her that he's dying when she recruits him, before they even get back to the Normandy. She was given fair warning.

Agreed. She knew exactly what she was getting into. That said, you can see that she hates to do it. She is shamed, sad, and hurting as well. And she more than likely hate herself for leading him on and/or letting her insecurites get in the way and hurting him. I imagine her going back to the Loft that night and sitting on the shower floor, crying.

It was a good bit of acting, there.

Also, I've posted a new story on FanFic, called Solid Rock. Enjoy. I hope you don't mind, Saren. I stole your multiple Sheps on the same Normandy idea. Please don't hurt me. *hides*

Got my author alert new story this morning!!  Can't wait to read it!

[mythlover20]

Cosmochyck wrote...

mythlover20 wrote...

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

At least that sounds better, but still... I agree, if Shepard doesn't want to fall in love with someone who has a good chance of dying soon, then she shouldn't have started the romance at all. Thane tells her that he's dying when she recruits him, before they even get back to the Normandy. She was given fair warning.

Agreed. She knew exactly what she was getting into. That said, you can see that she hates to do it. She is shamed, sad, and hurting as well. And she more than likely hate herself for leading him on and/or letting her insecurites get in the way and hurting him. I imagine her going back to the Loft that night and sitting on the shower floor, crying.

It was a good bit of acting, there.

Also, I've posted a new story on FanFic, called Solid Rock. Enjoy. I hope you don't mind, Saren. I stole your multiple Sheps on the same Normandy idea. Please don't hurt me. *hides*

Got my author alert new story this morning!!  Can't wait to read it!

Stop, honey. You're making me blush. Really! ^///^

It's not very good though. I just rushed it out for Aussie Day. Of course it was after midnight by the time I posted it, lol

Would you believe I've already got an idea for another one-shot? Ivictus isn't going to get much attention at this rate.

Hey, what does everyone think? What situation would cause Thane to really loose control, just go nuts. Not lusty nuts, angry nuts. No calm, controlled assassin, no slow tortuous assassination, just bline, uncontrollable rage. (I was listening to Disturbed's The Animal when that thought came to me, and I can't really answer it).

I know most will probably think that Thane wouldn't do that, and for the most part I agree. But Shepard woke him up. He's experiencing emotions again. Including rage. And everyone has a breaking point. I'm just wondering what Thane's is. 
Besides, you guys know I use you for writing prompts. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie] Well, sometimes.

Personally, I think that the capture and torture of either Kolyat or Shepard would do it. Say if he came across them in a similiar situation to Feron, except actually in the act of committing the torture/rape. That is something I would go into a murderous rage for. Without a doubt.

Modifié par mythlover20, 26 janvier 2012 - 05:53 .

[Asenza]

@mythlover,

Well, he did fly into a rage before, when Irikah was murdered so it could happen again, especially after re-establishing contact with Kolyat and beginning a relationship with Shepard.

[Sohe]

Asenza wrote...

@mythlover,

Well, he did fly into a rage before, when Irikah was murdered so it could happen again, especially after re-establishing contact with Kolyat and beginning a relationship with Shepard.

Hmm that WOULD certainly be an intresting turn of events for the game wouldnt it? Instea of a Drama-Thane, we get an Angry Hulk- Thane! He's already green, now all he needs is the mass amounts of muscle! XD

[The Sarendoctrinator]

mythlover20 wrote...

Also, I've posted a new story on FanFic, called Solid Rock. Enjoy. I hope you don't mind, Saren. I stole your multiple Sheps on the same Normandy idea. Please don't hurt me. *hides*

Oh, I'm sure that I'm not the first one to use this idea. xD

Hey, what does everyone think? What situation would cause Thane to really loose control, just go nuts. Not lusty nuts, angry nuts. No calm, controlled assassin, no slow tortuous assassination, just bline, uncontrollable rage. (I was listening to Disturbed's The Animal when that thought came to me, and I can't really answer it).

Disturbed! My favorite music. (I listen to their songs a lot when I'm thinking about Carson.)

I think if a situation similar to Irikah getting kidnapped and killed happened again, Thane would just go crazy on those guys. People who hurt his loved ones would surely earn his rage, and I imagine it would be even worse for him if it happened again.

[abnocte]

Sohe wrote...

Asenza wrote...

@mythlover,

Well, he did fly into a rage before, when Irikah was murdered so it could happen again, especially after re-establishing contact with Kolyat and beginning a relationship with Shepard.

Hmm that WOULD certainly be an intresting turn of events for the game wouldnt it? Instea of a Drama-Thane, we get an Angry Hulk- Thane! He's already green, now all he needs is the mass amounts of muscle! XD

ROLF

He actually doesn't need more muscle. According to the codex, Drell muscle mass is twice more dense than Human's, meaning that between a Human and a Drell that look equally fit, the Drell is stronger!  


Just found this video with Thane, Eternal Sorrow by Genol3oost. 
I love this guy's videos

[The Sarendoctrinator]

abnocte wrote...

He actually doesn't need more muscle. According to the codex, Drell muscle mass is twice more dense than Human's, meaning that between a Human and a Drell that look equally fit, the Drell is stronger!  

That's really cool. I need to start reading the codex... it's just not very easy on the eyes, small writing on an SDTV.

[abnocte]

No need to read it from ingame, Mass Effect Wiki is your friend!

Modifié par abnocte, 26 janvier 2012 - 10:33 .

[The Sarendoctrinator]

abnocte wrote...

No need to read it from ingame, Mass Effect Wiki is your friend!

 I can't believe that, all this time, there was a page on the wiki that listed every codex entry. *facepalm*

Oh well, I'll be sure to read them now!