Do you think Bioware will ever tell us what that One-Hour Massacre on Omega was about?
I'm guessing his wife. I can't see him just doing that for no reason.
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I don't know...I think Carson would make an awesome dad for some reason. He's crazy, but good crazy. ^.^
EDIT: Jeez, that's a long post. Sorry.
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She was. In her defense, as Myth said, she does seem hurt to do it, but I still don't find it justifiable. Thane's cards are laid out on the table the moment you meet him, you'd think she would have given some serious thought to the relationship beforehand. The fact that he's dying does make the prospect of leaving him seem more horrible that it would be otherwise... It's just...I like to think Shep is aware enough not to make those kinds of mistakes. Though it would make for some interesting role-playing...but I'd have a Shep like that experiment on Jacob, rather than Thane.
! Awesome, I'm off to read it right now.
As to what would make Thane go over the edge...I'll have to agree with you and Saren. In the LOTSB letter, when he says that he wants to protect Shepard with everything that he his, that phrase hit me like a punch in the gut. I never caught on to the "Protector Guardian" side of him before then, but it makes perfect sense. He failed Irikah, he'll gladly die a thousand deaths before letting the same happen to Shep. On another note, I've always found it fascinating that, while he did kill those batarians, he claims that their deaths weigh heavily on his mind. I don't know if I'd have it in me to feel guilty if I ever found myself in his shoes. I wonder if he'd do it again, given the choice.
Yeah, they snipped out the original voiced codex because it had a faulty definition of Keprals. I used to play it on xbox too and I'd have to get up to read them, it's one of the things that makes switching to PC a godsend.^^
EDIT: Jeez, that's a long post. Sorry.
;Yeah, he's the only one that's not "specialised". Cut content would make sense, since assassins really aren't that useful to have around when you operate as a commando unit. It's a shame really, maybe we'll get to see him make use of his talents in ME3. *crossed fingers*The Sarendoctrinator wrote...
I wonder if there was ever a point in the game's development when Shepard would have needed an assassin for the suicide mission, but ended up as cut content for the sake of time. I've seen a few people on the forums suggest how this could have been done, and unless I'm forgetting someone... all of the other squadmates have a specific purpose for the suicide mission, besides Mordin, but he's the most important for the rest of the plot.
I agree that it's immersion-ruining when you start thinking about it too much. I always have that feeling in Bioware games though, probably a side-effect of having so many squadmates. Like in DAO, where Alistair had way more plot relevance than, say, Zevran. Or in DA2 where Anders was a little too tied in to the main plot, while Fenris was completly left in the dark in that regard.mythlover20 wrote...
I did get that feeling of the characters only being loosely connected to the plot. Even Shepard at some points. Almost as if they weren't essential, they just happened to be in the casting agent's waiting room when the developers came in. Rather immersion-ruining.
xD Exactly. Unless Dietz got involved in some way, I don't think we have anything to worry about.The Sarendoctrinator wrote...
Well, I've seen a few episodes of soap operas, and... BioWare writing is so much better. But look at it this way, if they go the total soap opera route, Thane will randomly show up alive again and say that it was his evil twin who died.
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At least that sounds better, but still... I agree, if Shepard doesn't want to fall in love with someone who has a good chance of dying soon, then she shouldn't have started the romance at all. Thane tells her that he's dying when she recruits him, before they even get back to the Normandy. She was given fair warning.
She was. In her defense, as Myth said, she does seem hurt to do it, but I still don't find it justifiable. Thane's cards are laid out on the table the moment you meet him, you'd think she would have given some serious thought to the relationship beforehand. The fact that he's dying does make the prospect of leaving him seem more horrible that it would be otherwise... It's just...I like to think Shep is aware enough not to make those kinds of mistakes. Though it would make for some interesting role-playing...but I'd have a Shep like that experiment on Jacob, rather than Thane.
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Also, I've posted a new story on FanFic, called Solid Rock. Enjoy. I hope you don't mind, Saren. I stole your multiple Sheps on the same Normandy idea. Please don't hurt me. *hides*
! Awesome, I'm off to read it right now. As to what would make Thane go over the edge...I'll have to agree with you and Saren. In the LOTSB letter, when he says that he wants to protect Shepard with everything that he his, that phrase hit me like a punch in the gut. I never caught on to the "Protector Guardian" side of him before then, but it makes perfect sense. He failed Irikah, he'll gladly die a thousand deaths before letting the same happen to Shep. On another note, I've always found it fascinating that, while he did kill those batarians, he claims that their deaths weigh heavily on his mind. I don't know if I'd have it in me to feel guilty if I ever found myself in his shoes. I wonder if he'd do it again, given the choice.
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That's really cool. I need to start reading the codex... it's just not very easy on the eyes, small writing on an SDTV.
Yeah, they snipped out the original voiced codex because it had a faulty definition of Keprals. I used to play it on xbox too and I'd have to get up to read them, it's one of the things that makes switching to PC a godsend.^^
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Posté 26 janvier 2012 - 11:16
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Oh, he definitely would. Behind all the crazy, Carson is a very protective person who would go through hell and back for anyone he cares about. But he would never be able to shake the feeling that, like Thane, he has enemies who would come after anyone he cares about, or like Samara, the same child he cares about could grow up to be someone he'll have to kill later. Really, he's starting to think that Cerberus picked his squadmates in a way that would personify all his fears.Ellise wrote...
I don't know...I think Carson would make an awesome dad for some reason. He's crazy, but good crazy. ^.^
All of the Sheps that consider him a godfather think he's a great dad though.
He just took everything he learned from his dad, buried it, and did the exact opposite! Which would be his advice to Jacob. I guess it depends on the assassin. Some are best at long-range stealth kills, but others like Kai Leng can also do amazing close-combat fighting, dodging attacks and killing armored enemies with a combat knife. I think Thane is a combination of the two - that he normally does stealth kills, but a lot of those are also close-combat. His biotics would definitely help whenever stealth is not an option. I agree that it would be nice to see something specialized for an assassin though. (I just think assassins are great. Can't you tell?)Yeah, he's the only one that's not "specialised". Cut content would make sense, since assassins really aren't that useful to have around when you operate as a commando unit. It's a shame really, maybe we'll get to see him make use of his talents in ME3. *crossed fingers*
Aww, Zevran's important. He tried to kill us, remember?I agree that it's immersion-ruining when you start thinking about it too much. I always have that feeling in Bioware games though, probably a side-effect of having so many squadmates. Like in DAO, where Alistair had way more plot relevance than, say, Zevran. Or in DA2 where Anders was a little too tied in to the main plot, while Fenris was completly left in the dark in that regard.
I think the most immersion-ruining thing for me (not counting ninjamance "three ways to say yes, and no ways to say back off" fail) was in ME1 when I got a random side mission request when I was supposed to be chasing Saren to Ilos. But it was my only chance, so I did the side mission. And Saren waited for me to arrive before going on with his plan. That was so sweet of him!
I'm playing out some sad possibilities for the brilliant dialogue too, including not stopping Kolyat from becoming an assassin (Thane has some great lines there, so emotional), but giving him hope of finding another love just to break his heart? I can't do it. D:She was. In her defense, as Myth said, she does seem hurt to do it, but I still don't find it justifiable. Thane's cards are laid out on the table the moment you meet him, you'd think she would have given some serious thought to the relationship beforehand. The fact that he's dying does make the prospect of leaving him seem more horrible that it would be otherwise... It's just...I like to think Shep is aware enough not to make those kinds of mistakes. Though it would make for some interesting role-playing...but I'd have a Shep like that experiment on Jacob, rather than Thane.
The one thing my Shepards can't understand about this story is why Thane would feel guilty. My MainShep wanted to give him a Paragon interrupt hug when he said he killed his wife's murderers (bonus points because she hates batarians), and Carson wanted to tell him that he did the right thing, taking cruel guys like that out of the galaxy. That makes me think about another one of his lines, taking a lot of bad out of the galaxy but not adding much good. A lot of powerful words there. From Carson's point of view at least, he considers removing the bad as a way to allow more of the good to survive.As to what would make Thane go over the edge...I'll have to agree with you and Saren. In the LOTSB letter, when he says that he wants to protect Shepard with everything that he his, that phrase hit me like a punch in the gut. I never caught on to the "Protector Guardian" side of him before then, but it makes perfect sense. He failed Irikah, he'll gladly die a thousand deaths before letting the same happen to Shep. On another note, I've always found it fascinating that, while he did kill those batarians, he claims that their deaths weigh heavily on his mind. I don't know if I'd have it in me to feel guilty if I ever found myself in his shoes. I wonder if he'd do it again, given the choice.
Edit: @JECWSU: Omega Hour massacre?
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Posté 26 janvier 2012 - 11:22
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The Sarendoctrinator wrote...
Edit: @JECWSU: Omega Hour massacre?
http://masseffect.wi...ers/Thane_Krios
It's at the very top. I missed it the first time I read this. It doesn't tell you what happened just that he is responsible.
I'm thinking this had something to do with the people that killed his wife. The rest is pretty interesting also if you haven't already read it. His love letter to shepard is in this as well.
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Posté 26 janvier 2012 - 11:34
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Thanks, I read his letter to Shepard, and kind of skimmed over the rest, but I completely missed that.JECWSU wrote...
http://masseffect.wi...ers/Thane_Krios
It's at the very top. I missed it the first time I read this. It doesn't tell you what happened just that he is responsible.
I'm thinking this had something to do with the people that killed his wife. The rest is pretty interesting also if you haven't already read it. His love letter to shepard is in this as well.
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Posté 26 janvier 2012 - 11:45
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So did I.
I would say it had to do with his wife but that's just a guess.
I would say it had to do with his wife but that's just a guess.
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Posté 27 janvier 2012 - 12:50
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JECWSU wrote...
The Sarendoctrinator wrote...
Edit: @JECWSU: Omega Hour massacre?
http://masseffect.wi...ers/Thane_Krios
It's at the very top. I missed it the first time I read this. It doesn't tell you what happened just that he is responsible.
I'm thinking this had something to do with the people that killed his wife. The rest is pretty interesting also if you haven't already read it. His love letter to shepard is in this as well.
Wait, isn`t it the same incident Bailey mentions after Thanes loyalty mission-that a lot of people got killed, bad people-10 years ago. Then Shepard asks not to poke that old thing. something along those lines..
Tho, it doesn`t say anything aout Omega, but I quess they are connected.
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Bailey tells Shepard he's been looking into the archives and found a series of murders ten years back where the primary suspect was a drell. Shepard tells Bailey not to pursue it. (masseffectwiki)
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Posté 27 janvier 2012 - 01:00
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I think those killings Bailey was talking about happened on the Citadel. The one hour massacre happened on Omega.
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Posté 27 janvier 2012 - 01:45
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I went to the wikia site as well and for some reason this here cracked me up.
"If Shepard accidentally fires on Thane, he will calmly reply, "That's me, Shepard." If Shepard keeps firing he will say the same line in a harsher tone."
It's 3 am here, I am probably easily amused at the moment. >.> I can't see Thane USE a harsh tone.
"If Shepard accidentally fires on Thane, he will calmly reply, "That's me, Shepard." If Shepard keeps firing he will say the same line in a harsher tone."
It's 3 am here, I am probably easily amused at the moment. >.> I can't see Thane USE a harsh tone.
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Posté 27 janvier 2012 - 03:46
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I tried to go to the wikia site and as usual the bloody thing won't load. Connection always times out. Always.
Anyway I agree. It does make sense that the One Hour Massacre would be due to Irikah's death, which is why I think that he would do the same thing again if something similar happened to Kolyat or Shepard. Only worse if he interrupted the actual act itself, because this time I don't think he would fall back into his battle sleep.
I do feel so sorrry for Thane, like Saren said. Like he said, those bastards were the only ones he chose to kill himself, without order from anyone else. It is right that he should feel guilt. But personally I agree with Carson, taking the bad out does allow more good to survive. What is that saying? Evil thrives when good does nothing? Sometimes an act of evil is necessary for the greater good. And yes, I do believe that. Some people just need to die. But such a thing only truly becomes a problem when someone's conscious falls by the wayside, when the killer becomes power-hungry, overruled by bloodlust. It is right that Thane feels guilty; it keeps him a good man. The power he has over others would easily corrupt a person who didn't feel that way.
Also, MEWikia page just uploaded. Sigh. I love that letter. I really wish Mr Farley had been able to voice it. I've got my fingers crossed that he's done it and is just waiting for the most appropriate time to release it to us all. Valentine's Day is soon, isn't it? That would be a wonderful gift for all of Thane's Sihas.
I've heard the harsh tone, cause he got in my line of fire (stupid assassin). He was P****D!
3AM huh? I didn't go to bed until 6 this morning!
Anyway I agree. It does make sense that the One Hour Massacre would be due to Irikah's death, which is why I think that he would do the same thing again if something similar happened to Kolyat or Shepard. Only worse if he interrupted the actual act itself, because this time I don't think he would fall back into his battle sleep.
I do feel so sorrry for Thane, like Saren said. Like he said, those bastards were the only ones he chose to kill himself, without order from anyone else. It is right that he should feel guilt. But personally I agree with Carson, taking the bad out does allow more good to survive. What is that saying? Evil thrives when good does nothing? Sometimes an act of evil is necessary for the greater good. And yes, I do believe that. Some people just need to die. But such a thing only truly becomes a problem when someone's conscious falls by the wayside, when the killer becomes power-hungry, overruled by bloodlust. It is right that Thane feels guilty; it keeps him a good man. The power he has over others would easily corrupt a person who didn't feel that way.
Also, MEWikia page just uploaded. Sigh. I love that letter. I really wish Mr Farley had been able to voice it. I've got my fingers crossed that he's done it and is just waiting for the most appropriate time to release it to us all. Valentine's Day is soon, isn't it? That would be a wonderful gift for all of Thane's Sihas.
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I went to the wikia site as well and for some reason this here cracked me up.
"If
Shepard accidentally fires on Thane, he will calmly reply, "That's me,
Shepard." If Shepard keeps firing he will say the same line in a harsher
tone."
It's 3 am here, I am probably easily amused at the moment. >.> I can't see Thane USE a harsh tone.
I've heard the harsh tone, cause he got in my line of fire (stupid assassin). He was P****D!
3AM huh? I didn't go to bed until 6 this morning!
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Nerana wrote...
I went to the wikia site as well and for some reason this here cracked me up.
"If Shepard accidentally fires on Thane, he will calmly reply, "That's me, Shepard." If Shepard keeps firing he will say the same line in a harsher tone."
It's 3 am here, I am probably easily amused at the moment. >.> I can't see Thane USE a harsh tone.
I have also had him duck for cover and snap "Adjust your aim!"
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Posté 27 janvier 2012 - 04:45
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Well, I just noticed that this page is lacking in Thane. (In a superhero voice) This must be rectified Immediately!
By Angua, cause I just LOVE her work:
And by Savvid, cause I was talking to her last night on DA:
(Sigh, I really love that painting. I think I've posted it three times now). I really wish Thane would take me out on the floor!
By Angua, cause I just LOVE her work:
And by Savvid, cause I was talking to her last night on DA:
(Sigh, I really love that painting. I think I've posted it three times now). I really wish Thane would take me out on the floor!
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Posté 27 janvier 2012 - 05:39
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You know, maybe it's just because I created Carson, but I have no trouble imagining Thane speaking in a harsh tone. In fact, that's how I think he would sound in some of my dialogues. I've never heard him say those lines in-game though, as I've been lucky enough not to shoot Thane yet. There was one time when I accidently shot Garrus (and felt bad when I realized what I had done) because his blue armor was the same color as the enemy's armor, and he was standing right in front of one, so it looked like the enemy's health bar was over his head. Terrible mistake. Remember, guys - always watch who you're shooting!
...I wouldn't be a very good assassin. Maybe that's one of the reasons why I'm so amazed by them.
The only other time when I shot a squadmate, that I can remember, was when Jack ran right in front of me while I was in-process of shooting the Human Reaper with my Collector Particle Beam. She ran in front of a laser beam and then yelled at me for shooting her. *facepalm* I like Jack, but I knew that Reaper could duck down at any moment, so I just kept on shooting. >.>; I mean, it's not like friendly fire does damage (at least, not on casual).
But I can see what you mean. I also have Shepards who would be glad to kill any batarians, even those who might be innocent, because they have a lot of justified anger against slavers. I have one Shepard who feels guilt over his actions at Torfan, killing the surrendering batarians out of rage because his teammates were murdered (my "redeemed ruthless," and I guess his situation could compare the best to Thane's), and I have others who feel the batarians deserved it or feel nothing at all. In Carson's case, he wants to repay people like that for what they've done with the "eye for an eye" method, but there are times when even he can't bring himself to do it. Some methods are just too cruel, and he wouldn't become what he hates just to give out a punishment.
So, I don't think Thane is the type who would be corrupted if he didn't feel guilt. It's just not in his nature. The battle sleep probably helps a lot with the crueler demands of his job, but even then, he'll still turn down missions if he doesn't think the target deserves to die. He's too much of a good person.
In fact, that's how I think he would sound in some of my dialogues. I've never heard him say those lines in-game though, as I've been lucky enough not to shoot Thane yet. There was one time when I accidently shot Garrus (and felt bad when I realized what I had done) because his blue armor was the same color as the enemy's armor, and he was standing right in front of one, so it looked like the enemy's health bar was over his head. Terrible mistake. Remember, guys - always watch who you're shooting!...I wouldn't be a very good assassin. Maybe that's one of the reasons why I'm so amazed by them.
The only other time when I shot a squadmate, that I can remember, was when Jack ran right in front of me while I was in-process of shooting the Human Reaper with my Collector Particle Beam. She ran in front of a laser beam and then yelled at me for shooting her. *facepalm* I like Jack, but I knew that Reaper could duck down at any moment, so I just kept on shooting. >.>; I mean, it's not like friendly fire does damage (at least, not on casual).
I never thought of it that way, that feeling guilt about his actions is keeping his conscience in check. I've got a bunch of Shepards who wouldn't feel guilty about it at all though, and they would still be basically good people - evil for the greater good, as you said.mythlover20 wrote...
I do feel so sorrry for Thane, like Saren said. Like he said, those bastards were the only ones he chose to kill himself, without order from anyone else. It is right that he should feel guilt. But personally I agree with Carson, taking the bad out does allow more good to survive. What is that saying? Evil thrives when good does nothing? Sometimes an act of evil is necessary for the greater good. And yes, I do believe that. Some people just need to die. But such a thing only truly becomes a problem when someone's conscious falls by the wayside, when the killer becomes power-hungry, overruled by bloodlust. It is right that Thane feels guilty; it keeps him a good man. The power he has over others would easily corrupt a person who didn't feel that way.
But I can see what you mean. I also have Shepards who would be glad to kill any batarians, even those who might be innocent, because they have a lot of justified anger against slavers. I have one Shepard who feels guilt over his actions at Torfan, killing the surrendering batarians out of rage because his teammates were murdered (my "redeemed ruthless," and I guess his situation could compare the best to Thane's), and I have others who feel the batarians deserved it or feel nothing at all. In Carson's case, he wants to repay people like that for what they've done with the "eye for an eye" method, but there are times when even he can't bring himself to do it. Some methods are just too cruel, and he wouldn't become what he hates just to give out a punishment.
So, I don't think Thane is the type who would be corrupted if he didn't feel guilt. It's just not in his nature. The battle sleep probably helps a lot with the crueler demands of his job, but even then, he'll still turn down missions if he doesn't think the target deserves to die. He's too much of a good person.
That sounds like my sleep schedule lately. xD3AM huh? I didn't go to bed until 6 this morning!
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Posté 27 janvier 2012 - 08:38
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Nerana wrote...
I went to the wikia site as well and for some reason this here cracked me up.
"If Shepard accidentally fires on Thane, he will calmly reply, "That's me, Shepard." If Shepard keeps firing he will say the same line in a harsher tone."
It's 3 am here, I am probably easily amused at the moment. >.> I can't see Thane USE a harsh tone.
His tone does get a bit harsher if you keep shooting him. The first time I did it happend it was an accident.
He just got in my way.
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Meh, none of my squadmembers have ever said anything when I've accidently hit them. D: Maybe I should be happy about it but it's fun to pester them sometimes...
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I wonder if there was ever a point in the game's development when Shepard would have needed an assassin for the suicide mission, but ended up as cut content for the sake of time. I've seen a few people on the forums suggest how this could have been done, and unless I'm forgetting someone... all of the other squadmates have a specific purpose for the suicide mission, besides Mordin, but he's the most important for the rest of the plot.
I remember reading a post by Pacifien, the one that created this The suicide mission guide , where he explained that Thane role in the suicide mission was to hold the line. He even got a response by the dev's where they explained that Thane got "replaced" by Garrus because story-wise, Garrus held himself against 3 merc bands in Omega.
I still agree that squadmate relevance to the main plot was weak, not only that we get redundancy in their roles.
Tech specialist - Tali or Legion
Biotic - Samara/Morith or Jack
Hold the line - Garrus or Thane
Escort - well... here I think you can send anyone, but is wise to send Mordin if only because he randomly dies at the end if you don't take him with you agaisnt the human reaper....
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I shoot Garrus all the time...poor gargar, dressing like a Blue Sun is bad for your health.
I'll have to shoot Thane the next time I fire up the game (my God, that doesn't sound right xD) I'm curious what this harsh tone sounds like. Probably something similar to the "Don't insult me, Shepard. è_è" line.
-Edmond Burke, it's paraphrased from this line, which I adore:
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle."
I'm not sure if him feeling guilt is right, but I do see your point, though I've always thought his faith kept him in check more than guilt ever could.
Removing evil to allow good to thrive is something that I also believe in, but "Removing evil isn't the same as creating good." It's somewhat akin to fighting fire with fire, which is a perfectly viable strategy, mind you.
...When an "evil" act is done for the greater good, can it still be considered as such?And then comes the whole: Is there such a thing as evil to begin with? Thane has not hesitated to kill innocents in the past, they were contracts and he eliminated them. When you factor out his religion and look at the facts, he has done "evil" for the sake of "evil" and felt no regret. Still, every man and his dog wouldn't hesitate to label him as a "Good man", because he truly is. ...In a nutshell, "Bad behavior" does not make you a "bad person".
You know...I remember him stating that he felt guilt and remorse over his past.
I think he feels remorse for what he did to those batarians, and guilt over what he let happen to Irikah. Remorse is slightly more positive than guilt, it " carries no implication that your actions prove you are inherently bad, evil or immoral + Remorse fuels constructive action." (He made himself whole again, meditated and prayed and did good deeds, atoned. He wished to make the galaxy a brighter place before he died.) On the other hand: "Guilt fuels self-destructive attitudes." (In his case: Death wish. + I don't think he'd ever see his failure to protect Irikah in a softer light.)
...I wonder how different things would have been if he'd lost Kolyat that day as well. ...Ah well, moot point. We should kidnap Mr.L'Étoile and interrogate him. Or steal his notes. Whichever works.
Huh...5:16 AM. I would feel bad, but it seems I'm not the only night owl on this thread.^^ I have a feeling this post will not make a lick of sense when I re-read it tomorrow/today...Alright, I'm going to bed...Bonne Nuit
I'll have to shoot Thane the next time I fire up the game (my God, that doesn't sound right xD) I'm curious what this harsh tone sounds like. Probably something similar to the "Don't insult me, Shepard. è_è" line. Oh yeah, assassins are awesome, and they can kick serious a**, but they never strike me as team players for some reason. Kai Leng is somewhat different because of his training as a Marine, but Thane...I'm sure his first few missions with Shep were very interesting exercises in *teamwork*.The Sarendoctrinator wrote...
I guess it depends on the assassin. Some are best at long-range stealth kills, but others like Kai Leng can also do amazing close-combat fighting, dodging attacks and killing armored enemies with a combat knife. I think Thane is a combination of the two - that he normally does stealth kills, but a lot of those are also close-combat. His biotics would definitely help whenever stealth is not an option. I agree that it would be nice to see something specialized for an assassin though. (I just think assassins are great. Can't you tell?)
I didn't mean to imply that I don't love Zev, I do. ^^ He's just not anchored to the plot like Alistair or Morrigan are. But now that I think about it, you're right, he doesn't exactly come out of left field, I should have used a better example, like Leliana... even though she tickles the conspiracy theorist in me ever since DA2...Aww, Zevran's important. He tried to kill us, remember?
"All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"mythlover20 wrote...
I do feel so sorrry for Thane, like Saren said. Like he said, those bastards were the only ones he chose to kill himself, without order from anyone else. It is right that he should feel guilt. But personally I agree with Carson, taking the bad out does allow more good to survive. What is that saying? Evil thrives when good does nothing? Sometimes an act of evil is necessary for the greater good. And yes, I do believe that. Some people just need to die. But such a thing only truly becomes a problem when someone's conscious falls by the wayside, when the killer becomes power-hungry, overruled by bloodlust. It is right that Thane feels guilty; it keeps him a good man. The power he has over others would easily corrupt a person who didn't feel that way.
-Edmond Burke, it's paraphrased from this line, which I adore:
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle."
I'm not sure if him feeling guilt is right, but I do see your point, though I've always thought his faith kept him in check more than guilt ever could.
Removing evil to allow good to thrive is something that I also believe in, but "Removing evil isn't the same as creating good." It's somewhat akin to fighting fire with fire, which is a perfectly viable strategy, mind you.
...When an "evil" act is done for the greater good, can it still be considered as such?And then comes the whole: Is there such a thing as evil to begin with? Thane has not hesitated to kill innocents in the past, they were contracts and he eliminated them. When you factor out his religion and look at the facts, he has done "evil" for the sake of "evil" and felt no regret. Still, every man and his dog wouldn't hesitate to label him as a "Good man", because he truly is. ...In a nutshell, "Bad behavior" does not make you a "bad person".
You know...I remember him stating that he felt guilt and remorse over his past.
I think he feels remorse for what he did to those batarians, and guilt over what he let happen to Irikah. Remorse is slightly more positive than guilt, it " carries no implication that your actions prove you are inherently bad, evil or immoral + Remorse fuels constructive action." (He made himself whole again, meditated and prayed and did good deeds, atoned. He wished to make the galaxy a brighter place before he died.) On the other hand: "Guilt fuels self-destructive attitudes." (In his case: Death wish. + I don't think he'd ever see his failure to protect Irikah in a softer light.)
...I wonder how different things would have been if he'd lost Kolyat that day as well. ...Ah well, moot point. We should kidnap Mr.L'Étoile and interrogate him. Or steal his notes. Whichever works.
Huh...5:16 AM. I would feel bad, but it seems I'm not the only night owl on this thread.^^ I have a feeling this post will not make a lick of sense when I re-read it tomorrow/today...Alright, I'm going to bed...Bonne Nuit
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Posté 27 janvier 2012 - 01:50
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JECWSU wrote...
The Sarendoctrinator wrote...
Edit: @JECWSU: Omega Hour massacre?
http://masseffect.wi...ers/Thane_Krios
It's at the very top. I missed it the first time I read this. It doesn't tell you what happened just that he is responsible.
I'm thinking this had something to do with the people that killed his wife. The rest is pretty interesting also if you haven't already read it. His love letter to shepard is in this as well.
Indeed. Thane alluded to it, but it was confirmed in the LotSB files.
And it seems that sometime close to the Omega hour massacre, that he skidaddled off to Citadel and engaged in the 'massive clean up' that Bailey refers to. (We all know he did it
.)Man, Thane must have been VERY busy. And VERY angry. I would have liked to have seen him very angry. Hmm...
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Posté 27 janvier 2012 - 03:12
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<<<< Seriously pissed.
So I am here to beg for pm'd gamer tags. I want to play with people who I actually care if they get shot, not random randomnites from the nether world.Pm me! I am not an awesome player, and this will be my first MP experience but I can play on Vetran in SP and sometimes I even move up to Insanity to see how long it takes for Husks to wipe the floor mith me.
So I am here to beg for pm'd gamer tags. I want to play with people who I actually care if they get shot, not random randomnites from the nether world.Pm me! I am not an awesome player, and this will be my first MP experience but I can play on Vetran in SP and sometimes I even move up to Insanity to see how long it takes for Husks to wipe the floor mith me.
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Posté 27 janvier 2012 - 04:22
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I didn´t realize he was responsible for the one-hour masacre. Why did he do it?
And another thing. He refuses to be on the donor list. Shouldn´t he change his mind when entering a romance for Shep? If I where Shep Id excext him to figth his disease all he can.
I remember he said quite harsly "Don´t insult me!" to Shep during the conversation where she thinks about him being sendt to the Hanar in a contract is the same as slavery. Kinda makes him hotter to loose his stoic appreance for a second... *mumbles*
Fleshdress: Do you mean MP? Do you play on PS3?
The only reason Im interesting in MP is because I can play with drell. I play on hardcore normally. However, to do that Im depending on having the Barrier and Im usually an infiltrator (Snipes people). So I have a feeling I will suck in MP coz of my defensiveness. As Fleshdress states, its the frickin´husks that kills me. One particulary N7 mission was a disaster for me.
And drells are vanguards.. I hate using biotics to be honest....My second choice would be turian or human.
And another thing. He refuses to be on the donor list. Shouldn´t he change his mind when entering a romance for Shep? If I where Shep Id excext him to figth his disease all he can.
Nerana wrote...
"If Shepard accidentally fires on
Thane, he will calmly reply, "That's me, Shepard." If Shepard keeps
firing he will say the same line in a harsher tone."
It's 3 am here, I am probably easily amused at the moment. >.> I can't see Thane USE a harsh tone.
I remember he said quite harsly "Don´t insult me!" to Shep during the conversation where she thinks about him being sendt to the Hanar in a contract is the same as slavery. Kinda makes him hotter to loose his stoic appreance for a second... *mumbles*
Fleshdress: Do you mean MP? Do you play on PS3?
The only reason Im interesting in MP is because I can play with drell. I play on hardcore normally. However, to do that Im depending on having the Barrier and Im usually an infiltrator (Snipes people). So I have a feeling I will suck in MP coz of my defensiveness. As Fleshdress states, its the frickin´husks that kills me. One particulary N7 mission was a disaster for me.
And drells are vanguards.. I hate using biotics to be honest....My second choice would be turian or human.
Modifié par Friera, 27 janvier 2012 - 04:28 .
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Posté 27 janvier 2012 - 06:16
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Lol, Always cringe when he snaps at my shep, one of the options that I find in ME2 at least the renegade options often sound more laid back and kind then paragon.
I play on Xbox.
Ffff, The husks are soo difficult, more so cause I'll set up Thane and Garrus to snipe down the scions (whom I also detest) and they get annihalated (they time their shots all wrong) while I try and draw the husks to me with concussive shots and my failsafe; run into them and then run away before they beat me to death, move. I will suck in Multiplayer too, I am a sniper and Engineer most of the time, I also don't play Adept often. I suppose Vanguard but I am a hardcore "Kill them! With your face!" charger. this promises to be counterproductive in MP. lol. So yah I guess playing as a Drell will be tough. I wonder what difficulty setting MP will imitate?
With all the good things I am seeing I have high hopes for ME3 and I have been tinking about how popular Thane is and I really don't think they'll hurt his fans, I mean we're such a quiet polite bunch.
They got Cure Thane art in their offices!
I play on Xbox.
Ffff, The husks are soo difficult, more so cause I'll set up Thane and Garrus to snipe down the scions (whom I also detest) and they get annihalated (they time their shots all wrong) while I try and draw the husks to me with concussive shots and my failsafe; run into them and then run away before they beat me to death, move. I will suck in Multiplayer too, I am a sniper and Engineer most of the time, I also don't play Adept often. I suppose Vanguard but I am a hardcore "Kill them! With your face!" charger. this promises to be counterproductive in MP. lol. So yah I guess playing as a Drell will be tough. I wonder what difficulty setting MP will imitate?
With all the good things I am seeing I have high hopes for ME3 and I have been tinking about how popular Thane is and I really don't think they'll hurt his fans, I mean we're such a quiet polite bunch.
They got Cure Thane art in their offices!
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#5172
Posté 27 janvier 2012 - 06:20
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Yeah, I've gotten the "don't insult me" line too. Actually felt bad afterwards. Angry Thane is scary Thane. And I was glad that was the only place to provoke it but apparantly it can happen in battle too. Anywhere. Anyhow. O.O
I'll try out the multiplayer, cause I usually enjoy it. But if it turns out that single player suffered cause of the multi player section, I'll get an instant grudge towards the MP. >.>
I'll try out the multiplayer, cause I usually enjoy it. But if it turns out that single player suffered cause of the multi player section, I'll get an instant grudge towards the MP. >.>
#5173
Posté 27 janvier 2012 - 06:42
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IS THAT THANE IN THE NEW SCREENSHOT?!
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Posté 27 janvier 2012 - 07:24
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ZehnWaters wrote...
IS THAT THANE IN THE NEW SCREENSHOT?!
WHAT NEW SCREENSHOT?!
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Posté 27 janvier 2012 - 07:28
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Asenza wrote...
ZehnWaters wrote...
IS THAT THANE IN THE NEW SCREENSHOT?!
WHAT NEW SCREENSHOT?!
http://www.masseffec...nshot-044-p.jpg
