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[Asenza]

JECWSU wrote...

Nerana wrote...

Playing as a drell is the most awesome thing I've done in a long time. I don't care I gave him the wrong talents, I am going to keep using him. xD I'm finally getting hang of the back flipping and rolling around to be useful now.

I liked the trailer, wasn't expecting to see Thane in it considering he had a lot of screentime in the last CG trailer. I still can't get over how little Ashley actually looks like Ashley...

You're so luky. Thane's twin seems fun to play

I was also very surpised at how much that didn't look like Ashley. I don't know whay they did that.

I was more than a bit disturbed by it because she had Miranda's complexion... >_> I hate to get racial but I can't exactly pretend that the implications aren't... unpleasant.

Modifié par Asenza, 20 février 2012 - 06:32 .

[Bocks]

I personally can't wait for the tears.

[mythlover20]

It is going to be awesome... if we get what we want.

[Drell Warrioress]

Hey, I'm back from about a whole week of my internet being down!

Anyway, I managed to catch up on the news, saw the Drell Multiplayer video, and got a special picture from a special friend of mine on V-Day! I'd show it to you, but I'd have to submit it on dA first. And it'd seem weird to post a V-Day picture on the 21st of February.

[JECWSU]

Asenza wrote...

JECWSU wrote...

Nerana wrote...

Playing as a drell is the most awesome thing I've done in a long time. I don't care I gave him the wrong talents, I am going to keep using him. xD I'm finally getting hang of the back flipping and rolling around to be useful now.

I liked the trailer, wasn't expecting to see Thane in it considering he had a lot of screentime in the last CG trailer. I still can't get over how little Ashley actually looks like Ashley...

You're so luky. Thane's twin seems fun to play

I was also very surpised at how much that didn't look like Ashley. I don't know whay they did that.

I was more than a bit disturbed by it because she had Miranda's complexion... >_> I hate to get racial but I can't exactly pretend that the implications aren't... unpleasant.

You know it's Ashley but when you get a look at her face she looks like a different person. Shepard still looks like Shepard. When Miranda and Jack had their trailers they looked the same. I don't know what happened with Ashley.

@Mythlover20
It would be wonderful if we got what we wanted.

Modifié par JECWSU, 21 février 2012 - 03:03 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

There is only one major trailer left until the game is released, and that's the launch trailer. ME2's launch trailer featured a variety of characters, so I'm guessing the ME3 one will follow suit. But I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't and we had to wait until in-game to finally see Thane.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

Time to catch up on what I've missed! First of all, thanks to whoever answered my question about the multiplayer character customization. It's really strange that they decided to have color changes unlock later, maybe, if you're lucky, and not just give the option to everyone in the creation screen. I hope they'll change this for the actual game.

And as for my thoughts about Thane's illness/possible fate of his character in ME3: I didn't mind that Thane started off with an illness. It seems realistic to me that there are just some people who have one terrible thing after another happen to them, and while it's not my favorite part of his character (that award goes to the assassin part), I don't dislike it. I would really like to see him cured, but if not... I've accepted it. I mean, he gives us all fair warning by telling Shepard that he's dying when they first met, which is more than I'm used to getting when my favorite characters die (and this happens a lot, more often than not).

Of course, I hate to see my favorite characters killed off, but depending on how it's done, the scene could range from "a powerful, emotional moment" like Saren's suicide to "Why would you even do that? There was no reason for it!" to anything in between. If Thane does die in a powerful way that makes sense for his character, and my Shepards are allowed to have a reaction that is for their character, then I'll be all right with it. If not, then I'll express my disapproval by telling the forums what I would have done differently. But I don't think that'll happen, because I've been mostly happy with the spoilers so far.

Purple_Lobster23 wrote...

Oh, I see, well you're lucky you got the "I still haven't forgotten what we talked about" line, that does work really well!
After the suicide mission when he said "blowing off steam" to my Shep she was like "I thought it meant more than that to you, Garrus, shame on you! ...but I'm happy to keep blowing off steam.."

No worries, your Shep will know how much she means to Garrus come ME3. It's too bad about the messed-up dialougue after the suicide mission though. I think most people got the same line as you did.

[JECWSU]

Thane's illness never bothered me. I always hoped that bioware would give us the chance to save him or prolong his live. I still hope that they will do that. I have no faith that they will do a good job with any kind of a death scene. None of the deaths in ME1 or 2 made me feel anything. I guess Virmire was suppose to do that, but I didn't feel anything. The worst part is they will more than likely have Shepard go around like nothing happened. I would be more than a little upset if they had Shepard act that way.

[Lucky Thirteen]

I would be upset if my Shepard spent the rest of the game crying over Thane. She entered a relationship with a dying man. He is expected to die, no matter what she may wish otherwise.

The moral of Thane's relationship is that you enjoy life while you can, because really anyone can die at any time for any reason. Remember the happier times, don't dwell on the bad times. Don't give up on life before your real time is due. Live your life to it's fullest.

I would like to see Shepard show some emotion should he die, but for the rest of the game? No thank you, she needs to move on because it is not like it was entirely unexpected and the galaxy is relying on her to keep it together. Thane is relying on her to keep it together.

[Asenza]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

I would be upset if my Shepard spent the rest of the game crying over Thane. She entered a relationship with a dying man. He is expected to die, no matter what she may wish otherwise.

The moral of Thane's relationship is that you enjoy life while you can, because really anyone can die at any time for any reason. Remember the happier times, don't dwell on the bad times. Don't give up on life before your real time is due. Live your life to it's fullest.

I would like to see Shepard show some emotion should he die, but for the rest of the game? No thank you, she needs to move on because it is not like it was entirely unexpected and the galaxy is relying on her to keep it together. Thane is relying on her to keep it together.

Oh, sure. Shepard shouldn't start wearing all black, sprinkling the room with dying rose petals and listening to Evanescence, but to never talk about or remember Thane at all afterwards?

Because that's exactly what would happen. "HerpDerp Back to Teh Mizzion."

That's what is bothersome. The epic-explody-go-out-heroically death means nothing if no one remembers him ten minutes later

Modifié par Asenza, 21 février 2012 - 05:47 .

[The Sarendoctrinator]

@JECWSU: I actually liked Shepard's reaction to Virmire. Shepard stayed strong during the mission (but depending on dialogue choices, he/she could still sound full of regret), and had a conversation with the survivor where we had the option of saying how Shepard felt about it. Later, Shepard could also give his/her opinion about this when Miranda asked. They can't have too much of an emotional reaction because for a lot of Shepards, it wouldn't seem right. I have many of my own who go by the "fight now, grieve later" way of thinking, and many who weren't close with Ashley/Kaidan at all, but there are lines that work for my Shepards who lost someone very close to them. The scene for Shepard silently reflecting on suicide mission deaths was probably done that way for the same reason. Shepard looked thoughtful, and we get to imagine what he/she was thinking about.

@Lucky Thirteen: That's exactly how my Natalie Shepard would feel. If Thane does die, I want her to be emotional, but she knows that she can't fall apart. She's the galaxy's last hope, and she'll stay strong for them, her friends who are still alive, and Thane's memory. She can finish grieving for him when it's over and everyone is safe.

[wildannie]

I have no problem with Thane's death being optional, I welcome that, but if its forced it creates a bit of a dead end (pardon the pun) within the game which will ultimately spoil my enjoyment and replay value. This goes for any unchangeable events involving characters that are not essential to the main plot. It is through the side quests that we are best able to mould our unique mass effect stories and there is little need for Bioware to force a set path upon the player regarding Thane.

I quite enjoyed DA2 but I would have enjoyed it much much more had I been able to change ...
****DA2 SPOILERS





the outcome of All that Remains, and dissuaded Anders from his terrorism (The chantry could still have been blown up, just not by Anders).

[Purple_Lobster23]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

Purple_Lobster23 wrote...

Oh, I see, well you're lucky you got the "I still haven't forgotten what we talked about" line, that does work really well!
After the suicide mission when he said "blowing off steam" to my Shep she was like "I thought it meant more than that to you, Garrus, shame on you! ...but I'm happy to keep blowing off steam.."

No worries, your Shep will know how much she means to Garrus come ME3. It's too bad about the messed-up dialougue after the suicide mission though. I think most people got the same line as you did.

Oh, goody! My Shep is definitely looking forward to that.

Anyway, since we seem to be contemplating what Shepard will feel like if Thane happens to die in ME3, I hope that Shepard will feel emotional about it but I don't think that Bioware will make it that she falls to her knees and starts crying. I'd like to see a tear or two fall down Shepard's cheek but I think that Shepard (my Shepard anyway) is a silent griever. It'll break her heart if Thane dies but she knows that she must go on for the sake of the galaxy because she is their last and only hope. Thane wouldn't want her to fall apart and risk the whole galaxy, he would want Shepard to go on because she is his "Siha" - his tenacious protector. Shepard would fight the reapers for herself, the universe and for Thane and I think that's what Thane would want.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

My Natalie Shepard is kind of like yours, Purple. She would force herself to grieve in silence, and push as much of that aside as she can to deal with in the future, so she can stay strong for her friends now. I think Thane would want that too. He'd be happy to know that his Siha is protecting everyone who still has a chance to live, including his son.

wildannie wrote...

I have no problem with Thane's death being optional, I welcome that, but if its forced it creates a bit of a dead end (pardon the pun) within the game which will ultimately spoil my enjoyment and replay value. This goes for any unchangeable events involving characters that are not essential to the main plot. It is through the side quests that we are best able to mould our unique mass effect stories and there is little need for Bioware to force a set path upon the player regarding Thane.

I quite enjoyed DA2 but I would have enjoyed it much much more had I been able to change ...
****DA2 SPOILERS





the outcome of All that Remains, and dissuaded Anders from his terrorism (The chantry could still have been blown up, just not by Anders).

I like to see more options and variations too, even if it's just dialogue differences. I don't always mind unchangeable events, but I do prefer that my character have options. The more, the better.

And if there was an option to prevent what happened in All That Remains, I'd take it every time. D': That scene was really hard for me to watch. There always seems to be that one moment in a Dragon Age game that manages to creep me out.

[Purple_Lobster23]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

My Natalie Shepard is kind of like yours, Purple. She would force herself to grieve in silence, and push as much of that aside as she can to deal with in the future, so she can stay strong for her friends now. I think Thane would want that too. He'd be happy to know that his Siha is protecting everyone who still has a chance to live, including his son.

Yeah, I completely agree.
If Shepard broke down and fell apart it would be totally uncharacteristic and I think that sometimes seeing somebody trying to hold back tears can be more powerful and touching compared to someone sobbing in a corner. Don't get me wrong, I hate seeing people cry but I think Shepard (mine anyway, haha) isn't like that. In the demo when Shepard was boarding the normandy and saw that shuttle get blown up, I found the look on her face really powerful. She was emoting and it was showing that Shepard does have feelings, she just doesn't like to show it. And there's nothing wrong with that. With Shepard being in the position she's in, it could be hazardous if she fell apart, she has to keep morale up which yeah, must take its toll on her but she knows that she has to be strong for her friends and for the whole galaxy.

Modifié par Purple_Lobster23, 21 février 2012 - 10:45 .

[The Sarendoctrinator]

Purple_Lobster23 wrote...

Yeah, I completely agree.
If Shepard broke down and fell apart it would be totally uncharacteristic and I think that sometimes seeing somebody trying to hold back tears can be more powerful and touching compared to someone sobbing in a corner. Don't get me wrong, I hate seeing people cry but I think Shepard (mine anyway, haha) isn't like that. In the demo when Shepard was boarding the normandy and saw that shuttle get blown up, I found the look on her face really powerful. She was emoting and it was showing that Shepard does have feelings, she just doesn't like to show it. And there's nothing wrong with that. With Shepard being in the position she's in, it could be hazardous if she fell apart, she has to keep morale up which yeah, must take its toll on her but she knows that she has to be strong.

I'm glad they'll be using that approach too, showing strong emotions through Shepard's expressions. I'd like to see Natalie with a look on her face that lets me know she's holding back tears if Thane does die, but that she's still got everything she's fighting for in the back of her mind, and everyone that she has to stay strong for. This sort of thing works really well when you're watching an actor play a character and you can read a lot of emotion in their expressions, and it's great to see they'll be trying that now with Shepard.

[abnocte]

Shepard breaking down or being more emotional after 2 games were she hardly emoted can be quite jarring.

Bioware has said that this time we will have more options to "humanize" our Shepards, but I wonder how they did this.
In LstSB it was through dialogue with Liara, but I will welcome a scene where my Shepard is alone in her quarters, my renegon is the kind that will start breaking stuff after a moment of silence, my paragade is the kind that will just sit on the bed, lie down and look at the stars through the ceiling glass.

Shepard is the Commander, if her morale goes down so does everyone else. And they know it.

[Thrazesul]

Indeed, the same would go for my Shepards. I didn't really understand the importance of morale until Liara brought it up in the dlc. If it's anyone my Shepards would be honest with, it's either Thane or Garrus. Otherwise they'd keep most for themselves unless a good friend outside the squad asked.

It'd be difficult but I reckon they'd be used by it now.

Also, much to my dismay it's first now when I'm soon done with 2 playthroughs that I don't remember what Shepard did what. >.< Did the other keep the greybox or not, did that one do this and that. Next time I'm going to make a bloody list...

[Juliaxo]

Asenza wrote...
Oh, sure. Shepard shouldn't start wearing all black, sprinkling the room with dying rose petals and listening to Evanescence, but to never talk about or remember Thane at all afterwards?

Because that's exactly what would happen. "HerpDerp Back to Teh Mizzion."

That's what is bothersome. The epic-explody-go-out-heroically death means nothing if no one remembers him ten minutes later.

I agree. Shepard may be be lauded as the galaxy's best hope but she's still human. Not an automaton with no emotions (unless that's how someone wants to play her).

Knowing someone is going to die does not lessen the emotional impact. Not by a long shot. If you care for or love the person it's still devastating. If Thane's death is forced it will feel so unfair because they had so little time to begin with and Shepard was locked up for half of it. So she'll meet him again only to watch him die? My Shepard would never forgive herself and would always regret that. His death would haunt her.

Does that mean I want to see her curled up in a fetal position for the rest of the game, crying her eyes out? No. But there should be moments to acknowledge him. I want to know that she keeps him in her memory and didn't just forget him the moment his body went cold.

I have no hope though. BioWare do not do death well. They never have.

[Lucky Thirteen]

I liked the post-virmire convo and I liked the conversation Shepard can have with Liara following LotSB. I just don't need those convos to happen a lot for me to know that my Shepard is torn up inside. That's one of those things that's in my own head canon, and if I have another Shepard who truly doesn't give a crap about what happens to people, I'd rather the game left that open for that. I get the feeling my femN*** Shepard who killed all the guys off is going to be mourning them which ruins my completely heartless, horrible, renegade Shepard character. (yes I had to kill Thane off, it sucked, the game wouldn't let me skip recruiting him I had to get him to complete the game even after I had the IFF and everything else 100% complete.)

For me I don't mind if there isn't a choice in saving Thane. I feel like Shepard isn't a magically God and can't save everyone, even those she love. I think it improves the story and lessens Shepard's Mary Sue factors. Granted, I don't mind if there is a choice either, because hell this is a science fiction drenched in a lot of unrealistic things. I just chose not to think too hard about them so I can continue to enjoy everything.

I'm one of the minority that loved what they did with Dragon Age 2. No matter what choice you made, what angle you picked, you still essentially lost. Everything else has been no matter what you did, you always won. The concept of always losing is brilliant, but clearly people can't handle their hero not saving the day but just causing lots of problems.

I think the only way Bioware could really get me upset is if I go into that game and find Thane slowly dying in a bed. I think that is the extent of the realism I want in the game. I'd rather see him at least still up and stubbornly fighting despite being in pain for a bit before reaching the breaking point he gets bedridden.

[Cosmochyck]

Time to play catch up! 
I'll throw my two cents in on what I can remember reading over the last 5 pages!!
First - multiplayer is pretty fun, although I can see that I won't always be enamoured with it.  I've been playing FP shooters for a long time, and other than the race/classes, it is still similar to most of those that had MP online (Halo comes to mind).  If some of the missions carry over to SP and impact the ending as the devs have indicated, then perhaps that will persuade me to play more   Anyone know if you can play co-op multiplayer from the same console on the same screen?


Second - I agree that there would be no point in mentioning in the dossier about the ability for a lung transplant, or for Thane to even mention the hanar working on a cure if there weren't at least given some kind of attention in ME3.  Why bother dredging any hope up at all for FemShep?  They could have just stated he was dying, and left it at that.  If she pursued a romance, she would know that it would end.  With what they have foreshadowed, I feel like there should be at least some sort of option.


Third - to have FemShep meet up with Thane and he's standing in front of her all healthy??  FANTASTIC!!  I'm on board!  I think my Shep would probably tackle him and shower him with kisses.  She of course would then be super high, but happy! 


As for if Thane dies, my Shep would grieve privately for a long time, but keep going.  She has to - there are far too many people relying on her and her team.  And Thane wouldn't want her to fall apart.  I think once everything was over, she'd take a vacation, alone, to just cope and deal with everything that transpired over the years since she was resurrected.  

Modifié par Cosmochyck, 21 février 2012 - 03:28 .

[Cosmochyck]

Sorry for the double post but the full length "cinematic" trailer is out here!

[Asenza]

Cosmochyck wrote...

Sorry for the double post but the full length "cinematic" trailer is out here!

Meh. A few of my Shep's haven't been to Earth ever (Colonist/Spacer) or don't really plan on going back (Earthborn) so I'm a bit more concerned about the rest of the galaxy as opposed to Earth.

What? Nearly every other video game has me saving Earth. I'm a bit tired of coming to the rescue. Also, seeing as there's been absolutely no time spent on Earth in the previous two games, I'm not exactly inclined to be sorry when Reapers eat it- at least, not in the way I presume the writers want me to be.

I didn't even know what city I was in during the demo, so seeing it destroyed- meh. The skyline was too clean, everything too pristine. Fire and explosions and Reapers darkening the sky... gave it character.

Modifié par Asenza, 21 février 2012 - 05:27 .

[Lucky Thirteen]

Wow, the whole point of saving earth is because we are from there and it's for advertising. The real plot though is saving the entire galaxy. the Reapers are everywhere, destroying everything.

Also even Thane could appreciate the beauty of earth from Mouse's memories.

That city was in Vancouver, Canada, one of the buildings was Canada Place in the background. It was across from Seattle. I thought it was fantastic. I like the fact instead of painting a depressing, dark, gritty future like every one does for most Sci Fi, it was clean and maintained and pretty.

[wildannie]

I completely agree, none of my shepards would fall apart outwardly if Thane dies. It's me who'd be pissed off

edit: love the trailer, gave me goosebumps.

Modifié par wildannie, 21 février 2012 - 06:06 .