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[Sohe]

Ok,this is how the game will go for me, I've got 2 files, one for Garrus and one for Thane. One of them is a spacer, war-hero, super paragon , and the other is a sole survivor, war hero paragade. Now Garrus most likely will proably stay alive in the game, if so, paragon shepard will continue on with her saving the universe buisness, BUT if paragade shepard see's Thane die, She goes STRAIGHT to Super Renegade Shepard, I'm talkin "Super Sayian friggin mad GTFO of my way " Shepard. Think "revenge" . And thats my say for the day.

Modifié par Sohe, 21 février 2012 - 06:23 .

[Thrazesul]

That trailer gave me one trail of thought in my mind.

No matter what happens, Earth feels kinda screwed. >.> Or at least it'll become one *hell* of a repair project.

Modifié par Nerana, 21 février 2012 - 06:23 .

[wildannie]

Sohe wrote...

Ok,this is how the game will go for me, I've got 2 files, one for Garrus and one for Thane. One of them is a spacer, war-hero, super paragon , and the other is a sole survivor, war hero paragade. Now Garrus most likely will proably stay alive in the game, if so, paragon shepard will continue on with her saving the universe buisness, BUT if paragade shepard see's Thane die, She goes STRAIGHT to Super Renegade Shepard, I'm talkin "Super Sayian friggin mad GTFO of my way " Shepard. Think "revenge" . And thats my say for the day.

I've got a file for each class (except engineer which I'm working on).  One of them started the Thane romance but didn't have the conversation that leads to him turning up pre suicide mission.  I doubt she's going to get the option to save him and she's going to be gutted for not seizing the day, I think she may be bitter inside and renegade on the outside... I'm looking forward seeing how much of a b**ch I can make her 

[Alittlekitty]

Love the trailer too... I think this is the first time the husks actually looked somewhat intimidating. Exciting!! Reminds me of playing with an AdeptShep and Thane in the Collector base... Wide Singularity + Throw Field was a lot of fun

The only thing that was really weird for me in the video was that the little girl in the sunflowerfield seems to have no eyebrows. o_O:

Modifié par Alittlekitty, 21 février 2012 - 08:01 .

[Sohe]

katherine.elizabeth wrote...

Way off topic but this made me laugh when I thougth of it. But what if like in DA:O, you could just make out with Thane then walk around afterwards with the hallucinations like when you're drunk. It's just a thought

That WOULD make for a great easter egg sort of deal. Like when you finish making out with Thane, you walk around the ship and everything looks Dragon Age-ish for a few seconds...Garrus looks like a qunari, Tali looks like an elf, ect...you get it XD

[Thrazesul]

Experiencing hallucinations would be... really funny. xD

Also I had NO idea Thane calls you siha even if you don't romance him. I'm not and I somehow didn't click the "I want you, Thane" and he still goes siha on me. xD

[Lucky Thirteen]

Yeah, you can completely not flirt with him and just confirm the romance with the last line of dialogue for it. On my first play through, I wasn't aiming to romance him and when he started calling her Siha I knew I was going to have to replay to find out what they meant. I didn't want to look it up on the web =P. Though, all I did was go back to an earlier save, dump Garrus (who took it really well, he seemed relieved) and went back around to Thane whole only had that last line of dialogue left to confirm the romance.

I like that, it allows the romance to be subtle and build up based on personality. On the flip side, you can start hitting on him even before he tells you about his wife and kid.

[Alittlekitty]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

Yeah, you can completely not flirt with him and just confirm the romance with the last line of dialogue for it. On my first play through, I wasn't aiming to romance him and when he started calling her Siha I knew I was going to have to replay to find out what they meant. I didn't want to look it up on the web =P. Though, all I did was go back to an earlier save, dump Garrus (who took it really well, he seemed relieved) and went back around to Thane whole only had that last line of dialogue left to confirm the romance.

I like that, it allows the romance to be subtle and build up based on personality. On the flip side, you can start hitting on him even before he tells you about his wife and kid.

Love that he does that... I like to think it indicates that he likes FemShep even when she's not pursuing him... As if he were too shy to approach her (which is kinda un-assassin-y perhaps? ). 

[Sealy]

Page 2! I think not.

Awww but without the flirting you'll miss my fave line. "Just friends?"

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Thane: "That is intriguing." *Blushy blush*

[Lilunebrium]

First:

Nerana wrote...
Also, much to my dismay it's first now when I'm soon done with 2 playthroughs that I don't remember what Shepard did what. >.< Did the other keep the greybox or not, did that one do this and that. Next time I'm going to make a bloody list...

http://social.biowar...83500/1#9384949 

Tadaa! Someone just uploaded a Mass Effect 2 Savegame reader! \\o/

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Regarding the whole emotional reaction to a possible Thane death (ENGAGE SLOWPOKEMODE), it entirely depends on who your Shepard is. 

Take the Colonist/Sole Survivor combination, for instance. That Shepard has had-
-her parents killed
-her birthplace pretty much wiped out
-one of her earliest squads obliterated
-the pressure of saving the entire galaxy while no one believes her
-the decision to purposefully leave behind a squadmate to die on Virmire
-the blowing up of the Normandy
-her death
-her forced to work with the same organisation that massacred her squad
-the pressure of saving the galaxy while barely anyone believes her
-the knowledge that after everything she did, the Alliance and the leaders of the galaxy pretty much portrayed her to the public as a paranoid lunatic
-the destruction of an entire Batarian system on her conscience (though it can be argued a ColonistShepard may not have as big a problem with it as Spacers or Earthborns might have) 
-the handing herself over to the Alliance for her trial, resulting in her losing the Normandy and being set on off-duty
-the arrival of the Reapers
-the attack on Earth
-the pressure of saving the entire galaxy while billions of beings are being obliterared
-to face damn-near certain extinction

That's quite a list of things to deal with. Add to that the death of her lover, no matter whether she knew it would happen long before or not.

Opinions naturally vary on this, but I don't have any problem at all imagining Shepard at some point having a moment where she breaks down. Hell, I'm surprised she hasn't had one before (that got showed on-screen, in any case). 

Am I saying I'm expecting such a Shepard to be completely broken after Thane's possible death, locking herself up in her quarters for days while perpetually bawling her eyes out? No.

But am I being ridiculous when I say the loss of Thane during the impossible events of Mass Effect 3 can result in the 'drop that overflows the bucket'-effect, having Shepard show more than just a sad pout?

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Edit: Just read a bit further than the posts initiating the above topic.

Juliaxo wrote...

Knowing someone is going to die does not lessen the emotional impact. Not by a long shot. If you care for or love the person it's still devastating. If Thane's death is forced it will feel so unfair because they had so little time to begin with and Shepard was locked up for half of it. So she'll meet him again only to watch him die? My Shepard would never forgive herself and would always regret that. His death would haunt her.

Does that mean I want to see her curled up in a fetal position for the rest of the game, crying her eyes out? No. But there should be moments to acknowledge him. I want to know that she keeps him in her memory and didn't just forget him the moment his body went cold.

This is pretty much what I tried to convey.

Modifié par Lilunebrium, 22 février 2012 - 12:33 .

[Lucky Thirteen]

Alittlekitty wrote...

Love that he does that... I like to think it
indicates that he likes FemShep even when she's not pursuing him... As
if he were too shy to approach her (which is kinda un-assassin-y
perhaps? ). 

Yes, I'm kind of surprised no one accuses him of being a ninjamance, but I guess it worked out to be subtle and him being shy enough people don't feel like he's all over Shepard for no reason. That's one of the reasons why I love him so much. He isn't as he appears to be. He's so cute.

Fleshdress wrote...

Page 2! I think not.

Awww but without the flirting you'll miss my fave line. "Just friends?"

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Thane: "That is intriguing." *Blushy blush*

I did have a playthrough where I went through all his romance lines, and I did like that. I just know for my official Shepard, Rylie, I prefer it to be a lot more subtle. I guess I'm kind of putting in how I came to like him, because I had no interest him in at all in the beginning.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

I think it would be best if Shepard's expressions are tied to specific dialogue choices for the most part, or just the paths they've chosen where the same response would make sense for (almost) everyone. For example, any Shepard who romanced Thane would probably sad on some level if he died. In my opinion, it would be perfect if a scene like this showed Shepard fighting to hold back tears and stay strong because the whole galaxy needs her to be. That would be a really powerful moment. For how she deals with it later, I'm fine with leaving that up to the player to decide. Someone mentioned making Shep go more Renegade - I've used that as a way of roleplaying my Shepards too, and it works really well for me. I don't need them to come right out and say, in-game, why they're making these actions, because I know their reasons.

I already do this with every single actions my Shepards make. They even have different reasons for buying (or not buying) the Sovereign model from that store on the Citadel. Kim buys it to serve as a painful reminder of what happened to Saren in ME1, how she failed even after all of her best efforts. Carson doesn't buy it because he never had any toys as a kid, or many personal possessions throughout his life, so the only other option is keeping it as a trophy... but he knows plenty of people like that, and they scare the hell out of him. And then there's Thomas, who keeps the model as a trophy of this big bad Reaper he slayed.

In ME3, I'll be roleplaying exactly the same way when it comes to Thane. Even after the dialogue is done, the results will affect my Shepards in different ways depending on if they were lovers, friends, or just allies, and I won't mind at all if their reactions to Thane after his part in the game is done end up being something that I imagine, slightly changing Shep's actions later on to show that. That's the fun of these games, at least for me.

And I'd like to add, without spoiling anything - if the leaked script is the final version of Thane's story, I'll at least be happy with Shepard's dialogue options, which are varied enough for my many Shepards and their feelings towards him, and even completely perfect for some.

Alittlekitty wrote...

Love that he does that... I like to think it indicates that he likes FemShep even when she's not pursuing him... As if he were too shy to approach her (which is kinda un-assassin-y perhaps? ). 

Actually, I've seen a few assassin characters who are shy and awkward around women. It's adorable.

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

Yes, I'm kind of surprised no one accuses him of being a ninjamance, but I guess it worked out to be subtle and him being shy enough people don't feel like he's all over Shepard for no reason.

There are people who think it's weird that Thane calls FemShep "Siha" even if they don't romance him, but so far, I haven't seen anyone mistake that for being trapped in a romance. I'm really glad Thane has no romance traps. It's easier for my Shepards to be friends with him that way! He's such an interesting character, I'd hate to ignore him like I have to with Liara and Jacob (not sure if Jacob has an actual ninjamance, but that flirty-no-matter-what dialogue confuses me too much to take the chance).

[Juliaxo]

Lilunebrium wrote...
Regarding the whole emotional reaction to a possible Thane death (ENGAGE SLOWPOKEMODE), it entirely depends on who your Shepard is. 

Take the Colonist/Sole Survivor combination, for instance. That Shepard has had-
-her parents killed
-her birthplace pretty much wiped out
-one of her earliest squads obliterated
-the pressure of saving the entire galaxy while no one believes her
-the decision to purposefully leave behind a squadmate to die on Virmire
-the blowing up of the Normandy
-her death
-her forced to work with the same organisation that massacred her squad
-the pressure of saving the galaxy while barely anyone believes her
-the knowledge that after everything she did, the Alliance and the leaders of the galaxy pretty much portrayed her to the public as a paranoid lunatic
-the destruction of an entire Batarian system on her conscience (though it can be argued a ColonistShepard may not have as big a problem with it as Spacers or Earthborns might have) 
-the handing herself over to the Alliance for her trial, resulting in her losing the Normandy and being set on off-duty
-the arrival of the Reapers
-the attack on Earth
-the pressure of saving the entire galaxy while billions of beings are being obliterared
-to face damn-near certain extinction

That's quite a list of things to deal with. Add to that the death of her lover, no matter whether she knew it would happen long before or not.

Opinions naturally vary on this, but I don't have any problem at all imagining Shepard at some point having a moment where she breaks down. Hell, I'm surprised she hasn't had one before (that got showed on-screen, in any case). 

Am I saying I'm expecting such a Shepard to be completely broken after Thane's possible death, locking herself up in her quarters for days while perpetually bawling her eyes out? No.

But am I being ridiculous when I say the loss of Thane during the impossible events of Mass Effect 3 can result in the 'drop that overflows the bucket'-effect, having Shepard show more than just a sad pout?

Agreed. I enjoy the relationship aspect of the story partly because it's such a great way to humanize Shepard. It makes her seem like more than just a stoic space marine with no desires or goals beyond the mission. I like that she can have flaws, make mistakes, fall in love, express doubt, etc

A situation like losing a lover is devastating in itself but combine that with all the pressures Shepard is under and a potentially traumatic background and, well, I'd certainly expect some emotion to be shown. It should ultimately depend on player choice though.

The fun thing to me about games like ME is how interactive they are. You have more control over the game world than you do over real life. It's nice, fun escapism in that sense.

If someone wants a sad ending they should be able to achieve that. If they want a happy ending they should be able to achieve that.

What I don't want is having outcomes forced on me. Particularly, if they're going to make me unhappy. At that point, it just stops being fun.

If a game is marketed as being about choice then it should hold true to that and give the player options.

I think whether Thane lives or dies should be based on player choice.

If he does die, whether Shepard shows some kind of acknowledgement afterwards should be based on player choice. Maybe your Shepard isn't the kind to show emotion or maybe she is and it's up to you (the player) whether she does or not.

I liked that in LotSB Shepard could give a more personal answer when asked by Liara about why she keeps fighting. Shepard can agree that she's fighting for her love interest (Thane, in my case).  Or Shepard can give a more general answer about it being for survival or 'life everywhere'.

It depends on your Shepard and that's how it should be.

I find it odd how people have no trouble accepting that a race of sentient machines is out to destroy all organic life and a single person is the key to saving the galaxy from certain annihilation. Yet suggest that a disease be cured or at least be treatable and people act like it would ruin the ~integrity~ of the story. Fact is, this is fiction. Anything can happen. Anything is possible.

Modifié par Juliaxo, 22 février 2012 - 06:01 .

[Maera Imrov]

Well, since ME3 is only a few weeks away, I decided it was now time to start following more closely, the developments. Especially in this fandom.

I have a few things to say.

1. I wish I'd known about the leaks back when they happened, because frankly if Thane's fate isn't handled well (whether that's inevitable death, or saving) it will seriously damage the game for me. I'd just keep my CE box and pawn it off on Ebay to someone who has more money than sense.

2. I'm excessively disappointed that the only permanent squad members are mostly ME1's squad (who largely annoyed me outside of the aliens), and a couple new randoms I don't really care much about. Yeah, I said it. I know it might have been the way it had to go because of the variables in 2, but that makes it no easier for me swallow.

3. To get closer to the current topic at hand, I hope, if Thane dies, that we do have the option as to how -and how much- our Shepards grieve. Some would be more outward and prolonged, others not so much. But to have her only have a brief moment and then nothing else makes the call for all of us and I'm a bit sick of that. This is something that's bugged me since at least as far back as KotOR. If anyone hasn't played that this next is a spoiler, look away.


(space just in case, but really it's been years.)


Malak: "So you're Revan, yo."
PC: "...liar!"
Malak: "Nope. Soz."

And that one convo, and the one as soon as you're on the Hawk again is about the last your PC reacts to it. There is no option for how, really, most sane humans would be devastated at realizing their entire life is a constructed lie. Not all would, sure, and that option should have been presented, too. But it has always bugged me, and if the death of a LI is given a similar brushover in ME3, I will just have fits.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

It is strange how many people think finding a cure for Thane just couldn't happen, when our very own character was brought back from the dead. I've always thought it was possible, but not that it would definitely happen.

Maera Imrov wrote...

3. To get closer to the current topic at hand, I hope, if Thane dies, that we do have the option as to how -and how much- our Shepards grieve. Some would be more outward and prolonged, others not so much. But to have her only have a brief moment and then nothing else makes the call for all of us and I'm a bit sick of that. This is something that's bugged me since at least as far back as KotOR. If anyone hasn't played that this next is a spoiler, look away.


(space just in case, but really it's been years.)


Malak: "So you're Revan, yo."
PC: "...liar!"
Malak: "Nope. Soz."

And that one convo, and the one as soon as you're on the Hawk again is about the last your PC reacts to it. There is no option for how, really, most sane humans would be devastated at realizing their entire life is a constructed lie. Not all would, sure, and that option should have been presented, too. But it has always bugged me, and if the death of a LI is given a similar brushover in ME3, I will just have fits.

I've recently started my very first playthrough of KOTOR, but I've read all the spoilers.  

Starting out with a more cinematic, fully-voiced game like Mass Effect and then playing the older ones later, it was easy to see how much more emotion Shepard can show us than a silent character like Revan, whose face isn't even directed towards the camera most of the time. I have to imagine most of what goes through Revan's mind, and I don't mind that, but it makes me really miss playing a character like Shepard.

[Lucky Thirteen]

My Shepard is a earthborn, sole survivor. Nothing in her life has been normal or stable, and she has spent much of it alone. I imagine that there are very few people she has gotten close to and Thane is naturally one of them. Part of my reasoning behind liking the subtle part of Thane's romance is it allows room for me to imagine that her feelings for him snuck up on her and that when she came to realize it, she was cautious about entering a relationship with someone that is dying. Reasons being that her life has been so f***ed up, does she really need to love someone she is probably going to lose while she's taking on the heavy workload of saving the galaxy crap. Will that finally make her crack?

In the end, the difference between this tragedy and every other tragedy in her life is that this is expected. She can prepare for it and enjoy being with Thane during the little time she has with him. Then when he is gone, she'll be sad, it'll hurt like hell, but it won't be difficult for her to move on. It won't break her. The positives of the relationship out way the negative. The thought of a cure coming along in the time they have together, rarely crosses her mind. But that's because her focus isn't his death, it's his life.

Now, I don't think it's impossible for a cure to happen. There are a lot of impossible things happening, this is a sci-fi. I used to be one of the people that believed firmly that curing him would be cheap, would make the entirety of his illness pointless(regardless I still think it's pointless, but it's there, so I deal). I now really don't want to see Thane die. For me personally I think I'd prefer something more along the lines of life prolonging. I'm just open to the fact it may not happen and he could still die. Bioware could have something set up for Thane fans, that his death won't be some joke, some dire thing we all fear. It could have some true satisfying closure to it.

Either way, again, I won't go into rage mode. The only way I'd go into rage mode is if he comes on screen and immediately dies.

[Juliaxo]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...
The positives of the relationship out way the negative. The thought of a cure coming along in the time they have together, rarely crosses her mind. But that's because her focus isn't his death, it's his life.
 

I think this is a beautiful thought. It's why I love their conversation about taking a trip when it's all over and Thane mentions wanting to visit a desert. Honest to God, I get choked up during that scene. It's such a hopeful thing to want in the midst of the chaotic situation they're in. To think of it being an unfullfilled dream is so incredibly sad to me.

That could also be why I hate the 'Shepard is locked-up" aspect of the story.

What does Shepard do for those six months in Alliance custody, kept apart from most of the people who matter to her? It seems like the Alliance and Council still have doubts about the Reapers being a real threat but Shepard knows otherwise and is forced into inaction.

In between dealing with the emotional fallout of her decision in Arrival to sacrifice thousands of Batarians and worrying about the imminent Reaper threat, I imagine my Shepard would be thinking about Thane. Worrying about how he is, if he's with Kolyat, if he's even still alive.

She would regret not being able to spend time with him or fulfill the things they dreamed about together. It's just achingly unfair when you think about it.

What I would love in ME3, but don't expect, is for them to get a moment doing something normal and coupley. Like a date somewhere around the Citadel. Something sweet. It's unlikely to happen in game but would be such a welcome respite amidst all the tragedy and general direness.

[mythlover20]

I'm going to go the opposite of what everyone is saying. Well, almost the opposite anyway. My Margurite actually would break down. Not in front of everyone, granted, but definitely in front of... say, Garrus or Kasumi. I won't say why, because doing so would go into my Invictus outline to must, but suffice it to say, she would definitely let her foundations crack quite a bit. She will still go on, obviously, but she would definitely end up more renegade, than paragon, and get a bit reckless. Not consciously, but unconsciously, deep in a place where only those who know her the absolute best would be able to see the change for the worse.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Juliaxo wrote...

Lucky Thirteen wrote...
The positives of the relationship out way the negative. The thought of a cure coming along in the time they have together, rarely crosses her mind. But that's because her focus isn't his death, it's his life.
 

I think this is a beautiful thought. It's why I love their conversation about taking a trip when it's all over and Thane mentions wanting to visit a desert. Honest to God, I get choked up during that scene. It's such a hopeful thing to want in the midst of the chaotic situation they're in. To think of it being an unfullfilled dream is so incredibly sad to me.

That could also be why I hate the 'Shepard is locked-up" aspect of the story.

What does Shepard do for those six months in Alliance custody, kept apart from most of the people who matter to her? It seems like the Alliance and Council still have doubts about the Reapers being a real threat but Shepard knows otherwise and is forced into inaction.

In between dealing with the emotional fallout of her decision in Arrival to sacrifice thousands of Batarians and worrying about the imminent Reaper threat, I imagine my Shepard would be thinking about Thane. Worrying about how he is, if he's with Kolyat, if he's even still alive.

She would regret not being able to spend time with him or fulfill the things they dreamed about together. It's just achingly unfair when you think about it.

What I would love in ME3, but don't expect, is for them to get a moment doing something normal and coupley. Like a date somewhere around the Citadel. Something sweet. It's unlikely to happen in game but would be such a welcome respite amidst all the tragedy and general direness.

If the demo is any indication, I'm not really sure Shepard would be thinking of Thane, let alone worried about him. But scratch that. My main concern is how Shepard will be dealing with his death if it turns out to be the only option there is. Let's face it: a shrug and an "I'm sorry" doesn't cut it; it has to haunt her somehow, throughout the rest of the game, and in various ways.

At this rate, though, I don't see that happening. Which is why I'd prefer there be an option to save Thane... because I know BioWare isn't going to handle his death well.

[wildannie]

Killing off Thane in all scenarios is going to annoy many more fans that it will please, if they balance his story right so that his cure is his own choice based upon how much his will to live has increased then it should keep most happy.

Watching the 'take back earth' trailer (many times) brings home the scale of the tragedy in ME3. Some could say that against that backdrop nothing else matters but I think that forcing personal tragedy, such as losing a LI, on top of this would be a step too far. I want my Shepards to have something to hold on to / look forward to during the fight. Shepard has been through a lot she deserves the hope of happiness.

Modifié par wildannie, 22 février 2012 - 09:58 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

2 more weeks!!!!!!!!!

I am still feeling optimistic though. The absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence after all. And it has been said that there is the opportunity to continue a romance with your previous LI's. So we will most certainly be getting a romance scene at least.

However, at this time, it is blindingly obvious who Bioware favours, and it isn't the ME2 exclusive characters. If they do do a death scene, I can't see it being great. I just can't see them devoting those resources and creativity to Thane. I love Garrus and Tali, don't get me wrong. But Bioware set themselves the challenge of adding a lot more squadmates in ME2. They should have matched that in ME3.

[mythlover20]

True, though Thane has a pretty good excuse for not being there in the beginning. But I still think he should be a permanent squaddie, or at least on the bloody ship, if he is treated/cured/anything that means he's still alive by this time, like he was in ME2 after he was recruited. Granted, it doens't mean that BW are going to do it, but one would think that SOMEONE would have thought about that during the writing phase.

[wildannie]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

2 more weeks!!!!!!!!!

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The last few weeks have felt like an eternity, on the plus side I seem to be hanging on to (the remains of my) youth for longer.

Bioware games make me feel young, its silly how much I look forward to them.