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[JECW]

Hainkpe wrote...

JECW wrote...

I didn't hear Ashley recite the poem because she's dead in all of my playthroughs, but that is odd.
What exactly are the other things?

Spoiler: Tali suicides if Shepard sides with the Geth. I know we talked a lot about suicide and Thane on the previous threads. Now if there is a third, I will start to think conspiracy. 

My husband says its all a coincidence. So, I will say, okay, sure. Still, odd and weird. 

Maybe it's bioware twisting the knife in even more.
Take our ideas for Thane and give them to someone else.

[Arokel]

Don't usually visit fan threads like this but just had to say that I thought Thane was truly shined in this game. The way he went down and his prayer at the end being not for himself but for Shepard. Excellent job on Thane BioWare.

Kai Leng became #1 on my Shep's hit list

[JECW]

Arokel wrote...

Don't usually visit fan threads like this but just had to say that I thought Thane was truly shined in this game. The way he went down and his prayer at the end being not for himself but for Shepard. Excellent job on Thane BioWare.

Kai Leng became #1 on my Shep's hit list

This might be fine for a non romance Thane, but for those of us that did his romance Bioware failed.
It was a huge disappointment because Thane desereved much better than what he got.

[Arokel]

JECW wrote...

Arokel wrote...

Don't usually visit fan threads like this but just had to say that I thought Thane was truly shined in this game. The way he went down and his prayer at the end being not for himself but for Shepard. Excellent job on Thane BioWare.

Kai Leng became #1 on my Shep's hit list

This might be fine for a non romance Thane, but for those of us that did his romance Bioware failed.
It was a huge disappointment because Thane desereved much better than what he got.

I see your point but I think It was better Thane went down fighting (well he lived for a bit but you get my point) than waiting for the disease to get him.

Modifié par Arokel, 09 mars 2012 - 07:24 .

[Raiil]

Arokel wrote...

JECW wrote...

Arokel wrote...

Don't usually visit fan threads like this but just had to say that I thought Thane was truly shined in this game. The way he went down and his prayer at the end being not for himself but for Shepard. Excellent job on Thane BioWare.

Kai Leng became #1 on my Shep's hit list

This might be fine for a non romance Thane, but for those of us that did his romance Bioware failed.
It was a huge disappointment because Thane desereved much better than what he got.

I see your point but I think It was better Thane went down fighting (well he lived for a bit but you get my point) than waiting for the disease to get him.

You're missing the bigger point. The fact that Thane dies sucks- but most of us understood that it was a distinct possibility. I was one of the romancers who said I'd be okay if he went down, so long as he got the beautiful death that he deserved.

It's not that he died. It's not that. It's how badly BioWare bungled his romance scenes. There is almost no difference between how romance and non-romanced Shepards end up with him. For some of us, Thane was the love of Shepard's life, the one she loved most, and what- he acts like the relationship is basically over when we first meet him, we barely get to talk to him, we don't even get to tell him how much we love him or have him say that to us, barring a letter most of us read in LotSB.


You know what burns me? I wanted to be able to hug Kolyat, for the last thing Thane ever to hear from my Shepard was that she had no regrets about them, perhaps for the last thing he felt was her hand squeezing his. I wanted to run back to the Normandy with a bottle of whiskey and mourn with Cortez over lost loves and better days.


Instead, I ran into James (who for the record, I really like) and asked him if he was ever going to make good on his teasing. I see EDI, and instead for the potential conversation of 'is this how it will be when I lose Joker', they're playing some sort of 'would you hit it game' in Purgatory.


It's like he's a ghost. Romanced or not- Thane deserved better. My siblings didn't romance him but all four of us rate him amoungst our favoured companions, and we all agree that it was OOC.

[coldwetn0se]

Hainkpe wrote...

Also what was up with the shadow boxing Thane was going to the glass when you find him at the hospital? Did anyone notice that?

^This.  Think on his character on the Normandy; sitting quietly, hands steepled, meditation/contemplation.  Well thought out dialogue between himself and Shepard.  The only time we start to see somewhat "aggressive" movements, is in the romance scene; *fist pound on the table*.  THAT is a sign of an aggitated Thane.  To me, if he was going to be shadow-boxing, then that screams of, "Siha!  Get me the Hell outa here!!!!"  But no, we end up with a lame reason (not indicative of the shadow boxing) for him wanting to stay in the Hospital, and then tries to claim "peace". 

Ugghhh....no!

[Miktia]

I found the lack of closing infuriating as well...

Referenced Spoilers Following:
So, I ended up going for the Renegade interrupt with Mordin on Tuchanka; and had no option to Paragon/Renegade talk to him as I had both Eve and Wrex alive, but I couldn't let it happen so... interrupt.

Spoilers Cleared:
I had a big, long talk with Joker and Garrus right after Tuchanka, and... it was incredibly sad. I think the convo with Mordin and the following one with Joker and Garrus are the best moments in the game thus far. (Just finished the Citadel mutiny. Second time, as I admittedly quit after that on my Thane LI).The scene of the convo with Garrus and Joker is especially more powerful because of taking the Renegade interrupt despite being "full Paragon". Shepards emotions in both those scenes? Clearly apparent. Everyone talking about Mordin, while Shep is being torn up inside.

Thane dies? The LI? Nary a peep.Dumb. Just dumb.

[Arokel]

Valentia X wrote...

Arokel wrote...

JECW wrote...

Arokel wrote...

Don't usually visit fan threads like this but just had to say that I thought Thane was truly shined in this game. The way he went down and his prayer at the end being not for himself but for Shepard. Excellent job on Thane BioWare.

Kai Leng became #1 on my Shep's hit list

This might be fine for a non romance Thane, but for those of us that did his romance Bioware failed.
It was a huge disappointment because Thane desereved much better than what he got.

I see your point but I think It was better Thane went down fighting (well he lived for a bit but you get my point) than waiting for the disease to get him.

You're missing the bigger point. The fact that Thane dies sucks- but most of us understood that it was a distinct possibility. I was one of the romancers who said I'd be okay if he went down, so long as he got the beautiful death that he deserved.

It's not that he died. It's not that. It's how badly BioWare bungled his romance scenes. There is almost no difference between how romance and non-romanced Shepards end up with him. For some of us, Thane was the love of Shepard's life, the one she loved most, and what- he acts like the relationship is basically over when we first meet him, we barely get to talk to him, we don't even get to tell him how much we love him or have him say that to us, barring a letter most of us read in LotSB.


You know what burns me? I wanted to be able to hug Kolyat, for the last thing Thane ever to hear from my Shepard was that she had no regrets about them, perhaps for the last thing he felt was her hand squeezing his. I wanted to run back to the Normandy with a bottle of whiskey and mourn with Cortez over lost loves and better days.


Instead, I ran into James (who for the record, I really like) and asked him if he was ever going to make good on his teasing. I see EDI, and instead for the potential conversation of 'is this how it will be when I lose Joker', they're playing some sort of 'would you hit it game' in Purgatory.


It's like he's a ghost. Romanced or not- Thane deserved better. My siblings didn't romance him but all four of us rate him amoungst our favoured companions, and we all agree that it was OOC.

Ah I didnt realize that there was so little difference between romance and non-romance.  Sadly that is probably a result of Thane being one of the less popular romnaces.

[Miktia]

I didn't find the shadow-boxing all that odd. First off, hes a crazy hand-to-hand assassin. Hes practicing. Secondly, since he can't go running or typical exercise because of his illness, its sort of like doing yoga. Doing it at a window is odd but... still, he's just staying active and keeping up his skills; trying to be healthy through activity.

On the other stuff, like his 180 on his feelings about death and the scenes etc etc, I naturally agree.

Also, surely the hospital had a dehumidifier on hand?

Modifié par Miktia, 09 mars 2012 - 08:15 .

[Raiil]

Shadow boxing isn't bad for trying to keep some shape, however, and martial arts often needs more space to really gain benefits from their exercises.


* takes a moment to wince at the memories of Hapkido class *


Back on point, does anyone have any theories as to why all the ME2 only LIs got borked so badly?

[Shepenwepet]

mayrabgood wrote...

Maybe there will be a DLC with Kolyat or Feron or even Thane!!

Say... I never even SAW Skittles in this one. Seems to me that was another dev tweet that was "forgotten" about. Or was that just confirmation of Yuri Lowenthal?... Who I don't remember hearing anyway...?

And why is Life Support still open???

To find the aggravatingly-named model ship, the Destiny Ascension. It struck me later on. Perhaps it was just coincedence, but I think not.

[JECW]

Arokel wrote...

Ah I didnt realize that there was so little difference between romance and non-romance.  Sadly that is probably a result of Thane being one of the less popular romnaces.

I don't think that's true. Thane is not one of the least popular romances. He may not be the most popular, but he isn't the least.

Bioware did this because they don't care. They think because we aren't as loud as Garrus or Tali fans that it's ok to treat this character that they worked so hard on this way. The only characters they seem to care about were the ones that were from ME1. ME2 characters got tossed to the side like they didn't even matter. Especially Thane and Jacob.

[Cyansomnia]

So, I recorded and watched the conversation with Thane so I could go over it more thoroughly:

I have to say that it doesn't matter whether you romanced him or not, Thane sitting in a hospital waiting to die is still fairly contradictory with his previous attitude.

He tells you himself, in ME2, that he wanted to die in the Dantius Towers. The whole reason Thane joins you in the first place, is because he wants to redeem himself by stopping the Collectors (which was also likely to result in death). And in the Shadow Broker letter, Thane states that even before he met Shepard, he refused to lay in a bed and pass away slowly.

The man was seeking an honorable death, a chance to redeem himself for a life ill-spent. I would imagine him trying to do more of that, instead of sitting in a hospital languishing. His feelings change somewhat when he falls in love with Shepard. He wants to continue living because of her belief in him, her support and companionship. The fear of losing all that drives him to anger and tears.

Thane's sacrifice, however, was not out of character. At least for me. He threw himself into battle without hesitation to protect innocents, knowing it was very likely to be his end. It was the way he wanted to pass. I had a feeling of dread that Kai Leng would be Thane's death for quite some time, and it turned out to be accurate. I think I would have been happier if the b*stard went down with him.

Anyway, that isn't what bothers me on an epic level.

It's my Shepard's behavior towards him, lack of emotional dialogue from her and no acknowledgement of his heroic deeds that makes me rage. They could have given us that, at the very least. The night before the final battle also would have been an amazing opportunity to give us a more emotional scene: Thane comes to Shepard in a dream, or she reminisces about all the time they spent together. I wanted to see tears, or the option to have my Shepard break or crack a little at the edges.

Such an utter and complete waste.

EDIT:

It would have been nice to have the option to save him, but what does that matter... what does ANY OF IT matter?  The endings to the game make it all seem completely pointless.  Your Shepard is either stranded on Earth, seperated from their friends/lover with practically everyone dead... OR they die and you still get no closure.

As I said, an utter and complete waste.

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 09 mars 2012 - 09:34 .

[JECW]

I haven't gotten to the very end but I heard that you don't even see his face in shepard flashback or something like that.

I agree with everything you just said Aislinn.

[kaimanaMM]

JECW wrote...

ME2 characters got tossed to the side like they didn't even matter. Especially Thane and Jacob.

Which in itself is crazy.

ME2 had a stellar cast of unique, well-written characters.  Each one individual, that we got to know and care about. I like Jimmy V (which I didn't think I would) and I like Javik (again, I didn't think I would).  However.  ME2 gave us : Legion.  Mordin. Samara.  Thane.  And all the rest.  Each brought a unique story to the game, they added another facet to experience and gave the game feeling.  To me, ME3 feels empty.  The Normandy feels empty.  

No more Jack in her hidey hole.

No more Kasumi at the bar.

No more Grunt head-butting the windows.

No more of Zaeed's war stories where only he survived.

As far as I'm concerned, Mass Effect ended after ME2.

[Cyansomnia]

JECW wrote...

I haven't gotten to the very end but I heard that you don't even see his face in shepard flashback or something like that.

I agree with everything you just said Aislinn.

Nope, you see Liara.  /facepalm

[JECW]

kaimanaMM wrote...

JECW wrote...

ME2 characters got tossed to the side like they didn't even matter. Especially Thane and Jacob.

Which in itself is crazy.

ME2 had a stellar cast of unique, well-written characters.  Each one individual, that we got to know and care about. I like Jimmy V (which I didn't think I would) and I like Javik (again, I didn't think I would).  However.  ME2 gave us : Legion.  Mordin. Samara.  Thane.  And all the rest.  Each brought a unique story to the game, they added another facet to experience and gave the game feeling.  To me, ME3 feels empty.  The Normandy feels empty.  

No more Jack in her hidey hole.

No more Kasumi at the bar.

No more Grunt head-butting the windows.

No more of Zaeed's war stories where only he survived.

As far as I'm concerned, Mass Effect ended after ME2.

This is true.

 I like Vega also. I haven't downloaded the prothean yet.

I thought it was a great group of characters, and I agree the Normandy does feel empty. I even miss Kelly. Samantha is ok though. I miss Ken and Gabby in engineering. You can't even go where Grunt and Zaeed where. Even Joker is cut of from the rest of the ship. I don't even go in the direction of Life Support anymore. 

Why make all these great characters just to throw them away.

[Cosmochyck]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

JECW wrote...

I haven't gotten to the very end but I heard that you don't even see his face in shepard flashback or something like that.

I agree with everything you just said Aislinn.

Nope, you see Liara.  /facepalm

I know!!  And I didn't even hear "siha" in any of the dreams.   I HATE what they have reduced Thane and Shepard to.  Although the entire game feels off anyway.  Shoulda spent more time BW!  Didn't you learn anything from the DA people?  (don't get me wrong, I'm one who loved DA2, but most didn't)

I play with the full subtitles on because people LOVE to interrupt me when I'm playing so at least I can "pretend" I'm listening to them while reading

Here's some Thane for all us sihas!  How the reunion should have gone!!
by the lovely Angua33

Modifié par Cosmochyck, 09 mars 2012 - 09:33 .

[utaker1988]

kaimanaMM wrote...


As far as I'm concerned, Mass Effect ended after ME2.

And that will be the story I remember.  I can either headcanon my way into believing that ME3 was just a bad dream and that after Arrival, the Reapers stayed away for another 1-3 years.  With which my Shep believing she is always right, took off with the Normandy and with Liara's help stayed in seclusion.