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[Thrazesul]

A the moment I find it hilarious (bitter humour) how Bioware broke their own character. I understand fanfiction and fanart going out of character, but the creators? Sheesh.

[JECW]

JECW wrote...

Patrick Weekes' livejournal said:


Yeah, I wasn't in charge of Thane, but I see Thane's death situation as one of those things that's the drawback of a large writing team. Lots of followers talk about the Citadel Event in terms of what happens with the VS, but because Thane was optional, it didn't click with any of us that the player could also have just lost a friend or loved one THERE as well. That was a dropped ball on our end.

I found this statment in the Thane group.
Is this there excuse to why shepard didn't show any emotion. They just forgot that some of us romanced Thane I guess.

Modifié par JECW, 10 mars 2012 - 10:42 .

[Butcher_of_Torfan]

Never romanced thane, but he was one of my favorite squadies in ME2. The final scene with him was damned sad, but a fitting end in a way. I always knew Thane was dying, and even if the fight hadn't occurred, he still could have passed any day. Even if it was bittersweet, it was good to see him finally at peace and free of guilt, dying a hero. And the fact that his final prayer was for his good friend's soul, that had enormous emotional impact.

At the time of the confrontation, Thane could barely breath, remarked on the radio that he could barely run, and we could see in the cutscene that he was a shadow of his former speed, strength and biotics. Yet he still smacked kai leng around. As thane said, that assassin should be embarrassed.

A damn shame ME3 didn't happen immediately after ME2, with thane still healthy. Kai Leng would have ended up with a broken sword arm, a shattered knee and shortly thereafter, a broken neck.

[Aello89]

JECW wrote...

JECW wrote...

Patrick Weekes' livejournal said:


Yeah, I wasn't in charge of Thane, but I see Thane's death situation as one of those things that's the drawback of a large writing team. Lots of followers talk about the Citadel Event in terms of what happens with the VS, but because Thane was optional, it didn't click with any of us that the player could also have just lost a friend or loved one THERE as well. That was a dropped ball on our end.

I found this statment in the Thane group.
Is this there excuse to why shepard didn't show any emotion. They just forgot that some of us romanced Thane I guess.

Hugs JECW *glomp*

It doesn't make things better but MR. WEEKS AT LEAST ADMITTED their mistake.
Still can't see how could they forget that he was a romance and that many did in fact romance him.
This was posted in NSAS I guess, JECW?

BSN is the hub of Mass effect fans,true, but that certianly doesn't mean that we represent the "fans" in majority. I know tons of people who romanced Thane and ended up being very disappointed. And they're few among many who don't post on this forum at all.

I think looking at the bigger picture, a lot of people share the same opinion as we do. There's lots of complaints and talk about how ME2 romances got sidelinded and cut off to the point of resembling a barren wasteland on other forums, Youtube etc.

Faceplam moment since I stumbled on another thread where people keep saying that Thane had a great screen time and that's exactly how they imagined it, trying to convience people that disagree with them with quotes like: " you should have expected this, how this is IN the character for Thane, it was a matter of WHEN never an IF etc."

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around a simple question. How could an alternative optional outcome of prolonging Thane's life - no magical cure involved - destroy THEIR optional ending of Thane dying and thus their opinion that Thane is defined by his illness and impending death? I mean, I really don't get it.

One doesn't have to do anything with the other, because you are given a choice to choose between what you find more fitting for his character. I guess that's difficult to comprehend for some.

Modifié par Aello89, 10 mars 2012 - 11:16 .

[JECW]

Aello89 wrote...

JECW wrote...

JECW wrote...

Patrick Weekes' livejournal said:


Yeah, I wasn't in charge of Thane, but I see Thane's death situation as one of those things that's the drawback of a large writing team. Lots of followers talk about the Citadel Event in terms of what happens with the VS, but because Thane was optional, it didn't click with any of us that the player could also have just lost a friend or loved one THERE as well. That was a dropped ball on our end.

I found this statment in the Thane group.
Is this there excuse to why shepard didn't show any emotion. They just forgot that some of us romanced Thane I guess.

Hugs JECW *glomp*

It doesn't make things better but MR. WEEKS AT LEAST ADMITTED their mistake.
Still can't see how could they forget that he was a romance and that many did in fact romance him.
This was posted in NSAS I guess, JECW?

BSN is the hub of Mass effect fans,true, but that certianly doesn't mean that we represent the "fans" in majority. I know tons of people who romanced Thane and ended up being very disappointed. And they're few among many who don't post on this forum at all.

I think looking at the bigger picture, a lot of people share the same opinion as we do. There's lots of complaints and talk about how ME2 romances got sidelinded and cut off to the point of resembling a barren wasteland on other forums, Youtube etc.

Faceplam moment since I stumbled on another thread where people keep saying that Thane had a great screen time and that's exactly how they imagined it, trying to convience people that disagree with them with quotes like: " you should have expected this, how this is IN the character for Thane, it was a matter of WHEN never an IF etc."

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around a simple question. How could an alternative optional outcome of prolonging Thane's life - no magical cure involved - destroy THEIR optional ending of Thane dying and thus their opinion that Thane is defined by his illness and impending death? I mean, I really don't get it.

One doesn't have to do anything with the other, because you are given a choice to choose between what you find more fitting for his character. I guess that's difficult to comprehend for some.

Yes it was from NSAS.
No it really doesn't make it better.
How do you forget about a character you put on the cover of the previous game. How could you possibly forget he's an LI. I highly doubt they would have forgotten about Garrus that way. It just sounds like they were so focused on Shepards reaction to the VS that they forgot about everything else.

I think that the fact that he is even responding to this is becasue a lot of people  had a problem with Shepards reation to Thane's death.

Most of those people who think that was a great death for Thane didn't even do the romance and barely talked to him. I try to ignore them if I can.

Modifié par JECW, 10 mars 2012 - 11:22 .

[Aello89]

JECW wrote...

Aello89 wrote...

JECW wrote...

JECW wrote...

Patrick Weekes' livejournal said:


Yeah, I wasn't in charge of Thane, but I see Thane's death situation as one of those things that's the drawback of a large writing team. Lots of followers talk about the Citadel Event in terms of what happens with the VS, but because Thane was optional, it didn't click with any of us that the player could also have just lost a friend or loved one THERE as well. That was a dropped ball on our end.

I found this statment in the Thane group.
Is this there excuse to why shepard didn't show any emotion. They just forgot that some of us romanced Thane I guess.

Hugs JECW *glomp*

It doesn't make things better but MR. WEEKS AT LEAST ADMITTED their mistake.
Still can't see how could they forget that he was a romance and that many did in fact romance him.
This was posted in NSAS I guess, JECW?

Yes it was from NSAS.
No it really doesn't make it better.
How do you forget about a character you put on the cover of the previous game. How could you possibly forget he's an LI. I highly doubt they would have forgotten about Garrus that way. It just sounds like they were so focused on Shepards reaction to the VS that they forgot about everything else.

Yeah it's hard to believe the fact he's a LI just slipped through their minds. It seems they really "go and do things" according to what they read and see on BSN.

How are the guy over at NSAS responding to all that has happened in connection with Thane? I guess they're as blow away as we are, in a negative way of speaking of course.

I'm really tempted to send a PM to Weeks asking for an explanation why this has the be the only outcome for Thane. I would back up this statment with what I wrote in my previous post.
Just knowing why all other LI's can survive, why their fans have a choice of saving them from dying as we don't would be something to put me at ease. Well in a way.

ME2 romances really got it bad. Thane and Jacob especially.

[JECW]

Aello89 wrote...

Yeah it's hard to believe the fact he's a LI just slipped through their minds. It seems they really "go and do things" according to what they read and see on BSN.

How are the guy over at NSAS responding to all that has happened in connection with Thane? I guess they're as blow away as we are, in a negative way of speaking of course.

I'm really tempted to send a PM to Weeks asking for an explanation why this has the be the only outcome for Thane. I would back up this statment with what I wrote in my previous post.
Just knowing why all other LI's can survive, why their fans have a choice of saving them from dying as we don't would be something to put me at ease. Well in a way.

ME2 romances really got it bad. Thane and Jacob especially.

Exactly
Most of them are just as upset and disappointed in what happened to Thane as we are. How could you not be.
As you said the ME2 romances were treated poorly. I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the way they treated Thane and Jacob. There is just no excuse for it.

Modifié par JECW, 10 mars 2012 - 11:31 .

[Aello89]

I agree with you on the first part. But besides Shepard's looking like being emotionally disabled in his death scene, the whole conversations just seemed copy pasted. And with this I mean slapped from non-romanced Thane conversation, sprinkled with bits of goodies now and there.
 
It's really obvious that there are things romanced Thane wouldn't have said. Like the famous: I'm now content with my impending death ( apparently ME2 scene didn't happen or maybe I understood things in the wrong way ).
If nothing else we at least deserve an explanation, especially after all the hints being thrown at our faces.

Agreed on the second account. But I can't help but to think that we should have been more "loud" more hug in terms of thread size....clearly that's all that matters if you try to be heard and taken into consideration. They kept repeating that they listen to fans. It's true I guess on some accounts but not in our case.
In our case they listened to those fans who as you said didn't even romcane him or barely talked to him. Would have been more logical to peek into this thread more often if they understand the term "fan" they way most of us probably do.

Modifié par Aello89, 10 mars 2012 - 11:39 .

[JECW]

Aello89 wrote...

Agreed on the second account. But I can't help but to think that we should have been more "loud" more hug in terms of thread size....clearly that's all that matters if you try to be heard and taken into consideration. They kept repeating that they listen to fans. It's true I guess on some accounts but not in our case.
In our case they listened to those fans who as you said didn't even romcane him or barely talked to him. Would have been more logical to peek into this thread more often if they understand the term "fan" they way most of us probably do.

I agree. Sometimes I think that maybe if we had been more vocal this wouldn't have happened.
At the same time I also think that Bioware just stopped caring about the ME2 characters. Bioware plays favorites. I'm sure they would like to pretend that they don't, but they do.

[Aello89]

JECW wrote...

Aello89 wrote...

Agreed on the second account. But I can't help but to think that we should have been more "loud" more hug in terms of thread size....clearly that's all that matters if you try to be heard and taken into consideration. They kept repeating that they listen to fans. It's true I guess on some accounts but not in our case.
In our case they listened to those fans who as you said didn't even romcane him or barely talked to him. Would have been more logical to peek into this thread more often if they understand the term "fan" they way most of us probably do.

I agree. Sometimes I think that maybe if we had been more vocal this wouldn't have happened.
At the same time I also think that Bioware just stopped caring about the ME2 characters. Bioware plays favorites. I'm sure they would like to pretend that they don't, but they do.

I mean all we can do now is press them from an explination. Gather forces with other fans of ME2 romances how got the short end of teh stick and well, try to do something,letting them know at least that if they didn't care we most certianly did.

With what I could gather Tali fans achieved a lot in such a way and clearly share their opinion, their disagreeing and disappointments by creating countless new threads over at forums. And it does seem to work. But yeah, like you said....
BioWare has their faviourites but they're forgetting one thing: The game offers choices, decisions - at least that's what mass effect should have been all about. We fans, given the choices, will most of the time favourite one character above the other.
It's natural for fans, but BioWare is the first who should have been neutral about when it comes to character favouritism. Sure some character are more important to the plot then others but that's no excuse really.

Modifié par Aello89, 10 mars 2012 - 11:50 .

[Thrazesul]

Sad. How can they forget something like that...

Listened to some ME2 soundtrack earlier and... frankly it feels like a completely different game. It felt like Mass Effect. I can't point my finger on why but ME3 stopped feeling like Mass Effect at some point.

[utaker1988]

Aello89 wrote...


I'm still trying to wrap my mind around a simple question. How could an alternative optional outcome of prolonging Thane's life - no magical cure involved - destroy THEIR optional ending of Thane dying and thus their opinion that Thane is defined by his illness and impending death? I mean, I really don't get it.

One doesn't have to do anything with the other, because you are given a choice to choose between what you find more fitting for his character. I guess that's difficult to comprehend for some.

I don't like that there wasn't an option to save him but in hindsight, considering the endings, I'm content.  Yeah content, the word they used to describe how we would feel about this.  I think I would have been more upset if he were healthier and able to fight and he was a squadmate because I would have brought him on the ground with me.  Then he would have ended up on the stranded Normandy.  Or if I decided to keep him behind then he'd be on Earth and just where is it that Shepard lands?  I'm expected to believe she flew through space again and lived, yeah right.  Even if she's in the rubble of the Citadel, then that brings up another thought.  What if he had a transplant, one would conclude that he was still on the Citadel.  Now it's in rubble, chances of surviving not too great there.  Him dying and her dying at least gives these two the closure without "what if's" that the other character romances do not have.

You know, now that I've thought about it, I'm going to go with the belief that when Shep kissed him back on ME2, everything after that became a hallucination.    Mordin warned her. 

[Little Vixen]

DarkPhoenixAsh wrote...

Little Vixen wrote...

When my hubby saw where I was in my playthrough, he came in and held my hand. I knew it was going to be bad. I burst into tears and cried so hard I didn't even hear what went on in the death scene. It wasn't that I didn't expect him to die, but I really thought there might be an option where he could go out with Shepard, or at least wait to kill him off until toward the end of the game. Shep didn't even say she loved him? What is up with that?

In my real life, I have held my hubby's hand through 3 heart surgeries. He came very close to dying before the last one. I have spent more time in hospitals that I care to, feeling my heart breaking. This game series has always been an escape for me, but this hit far to close too home. I found it incomprehensible that a love interest Shepard wouldn't make darn sure that Thane knew she loved him. I would move heaven and earth to be by my hubby's side. If nothing else I make sure he knows he is loved and the most important thing in my life. The lack of acknowledgement of their love (Thane and Shep) was gutting.

I cried for similar reasons...
We may not know each other, but I wish I could give you a real hug.    *hug*

Thank you! Hugs back to you.

Modifié par Little Vixen, 10 mars 2012 - 03:04 .

[Annihilator27]

Do you get the Paramour achievement with him?

[Witty_Remark]

utaker1988 wrote...

You know, now that I've thought about it, I'm going to go with the belief that when Shep kissed him back on ME2, everything after that became a hallucination.    Mordin warned her. 

Oh, man. If I could have Shepard wake up from this nightmare to Joker announcing on the intercom that they're approaching the Omega relay? To know there was a chance to do everything again and win this time?

It'd be worth the heartache and then some.

[Xeyska]

annihilator27 wrote...

Do you get the Paramour achievement with him?

No.

Only Garrus, Tali, Liara, Kaidan, Ashley, Cortez, Samantha, and Allers? count for the achievement.

Modifié par Xeyska, 10 mars 2012 - 03:54 .

[Levvi]

Did you guys hear the extended version of his death scene?! It's much better than what we were given!. I'm beyond angry that it was cut from the game.

[Cosmochyck]

Levvi wrote...

Did you guys hear the extended version of his death scene?! It's much better than what we were given!. I'm beyond angry that it was cut from the game.

I haven't, and isn't that just great. 

I need brain bleach.  To "unsee" everything relating to ME3.  Now. 

[Levvi]

Cosmochyck wrote...

Levvi wrote...

Did you guys hear the extended version of his death scene?! It's much better than what we were given!. I'm beyond angry that it was cut from the game.

I haven't, and isn't that just great. 

I need brain bleach.  To "unsee" everything relating to ME3.  Now. 

Here you go.

If you're interested

[Thrazesul]

Oh god.. That's just... heartwrenching. >.<

[Cosmochyck]

Isn't that just all the potential dialogue rolled into one?  Because most of it I've heard from maleshep when he visits him.

Modifié par Cosmochyck, 10 mars 2012 - 05:42 .

[Ariaya]

WARNING WARNING WARNING SPOILERS FOLLOW

******************SPOILERS BELOW***************************

There were some really nice lines cut. That's too bad.

As much as I wish that Thane could have been saved, I knew that my Shepard was romancing a terminally ill character. Of course I would have loved the miracle of a lung transplant but I felt that it was a dim hope.

I'm not troubled about his death being inevitable (but I respect those that are *hugs*) but I wish that Shepard had told him that she loved him. I think that's the biggest thing that I feel was missing. The love of your life is dying. Of course you would tell him that you love him.

I thought that the prayer was just beautiful as was the sentiment behind it. Such a small thing but it spoke volumes. Utterly, utterly beautiful and moving. I get a lump in my throat every time I think about it.

[Julia_xo]

JECW wrote...

JECW wrote...
Patrick Weekes' livejournal said:
Yeah, I wasn't in charge of Thane, but I see Thane's death situation as one of those things that's the drawback of a large writing team. Lots of followers talk about the Citadel Event in terms of what happens with the VS, but because Thane was optional, it didn't click with any of us that the player could also have just lost a friend or loved one THERE as well. That was a dropped ball on our end.

I found this statment in the Thane group.
Is this there excuse to why shepard didn't show any emotion. They just forgot that some of us romanced Thane I guess.

They forgot? I don't know whether to laugh or cry. I'm doing both at the moment.

I just .... can't believe this. I truly can't.

No one stopped to think: Hey, Thane's a love interest. People will probably be sad about his death. Lets add a few mentions in addition to the VS stuff.
No. That did not cross the mind of any one of them.

Does anyone know who was in charge of writing Thane in ME3? I'm staggered by the sheer indifference.

[Verly]

I also kind of wish they hadn't added the letter to LOSB, I think it would have had a much better impact on us had we not already read it.

I truly can't believe the reason they didn't add anything was because they forgot. wow, they forgot one of the best characters in the game died?? seriously? My heart is broken.