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[JECW]

coldwetn0se wrote...

Not happy about "dropping the ball" on Thane's romance, but great find by JECW (ummm that is right, right??? She's the one who found the twitter quote, right?). A little late on posting this; sorry.

I got it from NSAS group.
 Patrick Weekes  mad the comment on LiveJournal. I think that's where they found it. 

Modifié par JECW, 11 mars 2012 - 06:33 .

[coldwetn0se]

@JECW - Thanks for the find. One thing though, what does NSAS stand for? I know what LiveJournal is, but not the other.

[JECW]

It stands for Neck Snap Appreciation Society. Its one of the older Thane groups.

[coldwetn0se]

JECW wrote...

It stands for Neck Snap Appreciation Society. Its one of the older Thane groups.

AHHA!!  Thank you!! It has been driving me nuts that I couldn't figure out the acronym.

Cake for you.

[Lucy Glitter]

THE CUT CONTENT OMG

WHY. WHY.

[utaker1988]

I have gone from shock to purely being baffled (someone else used the word and it fits). I cannot grasp the oversights done in this game, it is beyond any reasonable excuse. They delayed this game and for what? To work on MP? I would have gladly waited another 6 months for something that was consistent and true to all the characters in this series. I'm sorry coming from their mouths won't cut it with me. I'm one to believe that if you are truly sorry, you own it and try to fix it. I also do not fare well with, "there were just so many characters." Well, that should have been thought of before adding so many in ME2. Asking us to not get attached to them when almost the whole game had us running around solving their PERSONAL issues so we could have the best ending, is beyond logic.  

Modifié par utaker1988, 11 mars 2012 - 07:15 .

[Maera Imrov]

utaker1988 wrote...

I have gone from shock to purely being baffled (someone else used the word and it fits). I cannot grasp the oversights done in this game, it is beyond any reasonable excuse. They delayed this game and for what? To work on MP? I would have gladly waited another 6 months for something that was consistent and true to all the characters in this series. I'm sorry coming from their mouths won't cut it with me. I'm one to believe that if you are truly sorry, you own it and try to fix it. I also do not fare well with, "there were just so many characters." Well, that should have been thought of before adding so many in ME2. Asking us to not get attached to them when almost the whole game had us running around solving their PERSONAL issues so we could have the best ending, is beyond logic.  

Or, better yet, why add so many in 3? Why add a bunch of new people in the last act of the trilogy? Why could the squad of 3 not have been a mesh of 1 and 2's? With one spot a variable for past LI(s), and the rest a determined lot? Or even the current squad. Just make an extra slot for if a ME2 romance was taken. I like Vega, but we didn't need him. EDI? Love her. Wasn't blatantly necessary to give her a body and make her a squad member. Sure, it would have made for some complicated save file flag reading but it could have been done.

What happened to all of 2's LIs was just pathetic. So aside from meh endings and Thane's treatment, I have one further reason to not bother with other playthroughs: no LIs that matter. Kaidan, no offense to his fans, bores me. Garrus is so firmly ensconced in 'brother' territory for me that trying to romance him would make me feel like Cersei Lannister. No, thank you. Jacob cheats, in a fashion that skirts so close to stereotyping it is mind boggling. And I don't do s/s romances. That only really left Thane, and thankfully he was the one that was most appealing to me, and my Shepard. But oh, look what happened to Thane.

I should've been in bed hours ago for work, but you know, this just has me so irritated. The whole game. Yeah, it's just a game, but the state my personal life has been in at the moment, I was looking forward to this game to giving me some good fist-pump-in-the-air 'hell yeah!' moments, and while they exist, it's so tainted it's hard to use it as any kind of cathartic outlet for the stressors in my real life. Which is what, yanno, I usually use games for. That and writing.

[Persephone]

utaker1988 wrote...

I have gone from shock to purely being baffled (someone else used the word and it fits). I cannot grasp the oversights done in this game, it is beyond any reasonable excuse. They delayed this game and for what? To work on MP? I would have gladly waited another 6 months for something that was consistent and true to all the characters in this series. I'm sorry coming from their mouths won't cut it with me. I'm one to believe that if you are truly sorry, you own it and try to fix it. I also do not fare well with, "there were just so many characters." Well, that should have been thought of before adding so many in ME2. Asking us to not get attached to them when almost the whole game had us running around solving their PERSONAL issues so we could have the best ending, is beyond logic.  

I LOVED most of the game. More than the other two combined. Thane's treatment (Esp. the lack of reaction to his fate) and the endings just make me UTTERLY sad. Could a DLC even fix this? Like an added mission? If it came down to it, IMHO: Screw the endings but treat my fave character with more dignity!

[Nibenean]

 It seems they've made all the squadmates from ME2 unimportant. Like they didn't mean anything at all whatsoever. I'd rather have Thane than Kaidan, thank you very much <_<

[wildannie]

Does anyone know what happens when you import a save where Thane is unloyal?

[Friera]

YOu cn only do lesbian romance, or... Kaiden - which for me wont happend - if you romanced Thane in ME2.

So very few options. At least give us Vega.

[Cyansomnia]

I know! I'll just clone an army of Thanes so Kai Leng doesn't stand a chance:



Yeah, I know. Crappy attempt at humor...

If anyone is interested I did a compilation of Thane stuff for ME3:

Here.

Sad that it all fits into less than 10 minutes (the rest of the stuff I added for flavor).

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 11 mars 2012 - 10:18 .

[Thrazesul]

Can unloyal characters actually make it through ME2 alive?

As for me, having been two days ago now since I beat the game... I've started a new playthrough mostly because I want to see more of Javik's dialogue and frankly to have something to do. I still hate how they treated Thane and every ME2 member, I still hate the endings SO much, but frankly all my headcanons start after Shepard passes out in ME3. And I still bought the damn game... This is the last game/dlc I buy from Bioware though unless they fix better endings (preferbly fix Thane too but I see that happening even less) -.-

I nearly landed in some kind of depression thanks to this game and I won't let that happen. I'm lucky in that way that I had two romances from ME2 that I loved and Garrus makes ME3 worth playing in some senses... I'd still prefer to play the game with my main Shepard who romanced Thane but I just can't stand the romance with him in ME3.

No, Thane is alive in my head and wasn't even IN ME3, especielly NOT the hospital. He's the drell in multiplayer kicking everyone's ass while Shepard's out saving the galaxy > happy ending.

Question is if anyone ever dares getting close to a character in a game anymore after this. Bioware's really messed up when they 'forgot' Thane, it's just downright idiotic. I suppose they wanted to please the people that wanted Thane dead. Well great, they won. But they can't beat headcanons which is all we got at the moment. A friend of mine is writing a fanfic about Thane in ME3 that I bet is going to be ten times better than what Bioware themselves could do...

Annoying thing is we shouldn't had to make up the endings and characters ourselves... 

[Cyansomnia]

I'm going to get back to writing my series, which I need to finish. Going to explore Thane's past a bit more with original stories, pretty much stuff I had planned out anyway. I may get to doing some ME3 head canon stuff, but I don't know. I'm going to see if Bioware speaks up in some capacity, before I start rewriting things to my own preference.

I will be doing a video project as well. Through the magic of modding, greenscreening and clever audio editing I'm going to attempt to put something together that will do the romance justice.

Then I'm going to link it all over twitter.  

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 11 mars 2012 - 10:35 .

[wildannie]

Nerana wrote...

Can unloyal characters actually make it through ME2 alive?

They can, so long as you don't give them one of the set tasks.  I have never played the suicide mission with an unloyal Thane so I don't know if he's an exception.


Edit: I'm definitely thinking that investing in ME romances is not worth the pain.  I could play the Kaidan romance next but I don't really feel inclined to reinvest emotion back into BW after this.

@Aislinn, looking forward to reading / seeing your work.

Modifié par wildannie, 11 mars 2012 - 10:42 .

[JECW]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

I'm going to get back to writing my series, which I need to finish. Going to explore Thane's past a bit more with original stories, pretty much stuff I had planned out anyway. I may get to doing some ME3 head canon stuff, but I don't know. I'm going to see if Bioware speaks up in some capacity, before I start rewriting things to my own preference.

I will be doing a video project as well. Through the magic of modding, greenscreening and clever audio editing I'm going to attempt to put something together that will do the romance justice.

Then I'm going to link it all over twitter.  

I'm looking forward to it Aislinn. I was wondering if you were going to even want to finish the story.

I have no doubt you would put something wonderful together. Then bioware can see how it should have gone.

@Wildannie
If I have learned anything from this it's that I don't think I will ever get invested in another ME romance. If you don't pick one of their favorites then you in for a lot of heartache.

Modifié par JECW, 11 mars 2012 - 10:51 .

[Eliza]

I just had to watch Thane's death-scene and I cannot understand why my Shep shows so less emotions. Why does'nt she just give him a last kiss when he is doing his final breath and whispers with tears in her eyes that she loves him and always will? That would have added so much to the scene and the romance in general.

[Thrazesul]

Beause they assumed none really romanced him and that all Shepards regard him as a temporary friend. Hell, acquaintance.

>.>

Modifié par Nerana, 11 mars 2012 - 12:45 .

[utaker1988]

Nerana wrote...

Beause they assumed none really romanced him and that all Shepards regard him as a temporary friend. Hell, acquaintance.

>.>

You know that thought haunts me just as much as they probably assumed he was just a booty call on the way to getting your ME LI back.  Which is just disgusting.  My Shep, found in him the ONE person who kept her morally in check.  While he was in my active squad I found it very hard to make an evil decision just because I felt like it.  My Shep changed, in ME she was so renegade.  After she met Thane, she changed, she softened and took the time to think out major decisions.  So for me to watch what they did to him, forgot him, forgot who he was, forgot that Shep did romance him and he was important to her, it is painful and disgusting.  I do like the sweet moments, at least there are a couple but it doesn't overshadow how badly they fumbled.  

Since in ALL my ME2 play throughs as FemShep, Thane is Shep's LI, I don't have another route to go and I'm not going too just for the sake of an achievement.  I suppose I could break it off with him, I don't know how you break off something BW doesn't consider existing to begin with but I won't do that either.  You know Thane is the ONLY person in ME2 that I was never mean too, right from the moment they met on Illium.  He also NEVER got bumped off in the SM and I NEVER ended the romance.  To this day, I have not watched any video or YouTube that has him dying in ME2 and while I know what he says if you end the romance in ME2, I've never actually heard it.  I just could not be mean to him.  I was always afraid to hurt his feelings.  So there are dialogues that he has that I've never actually heard even after a gazillion play throughs and 2 years.

So to see what they've done hurts, I will admit it.  It hurts, it's more painful than the endings.  

[stwu]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

I'm going to get back to writing my series, which I need to finish. Going to explore Thane's past a bit more with original stories, pretty much stuff I had planned out anyway. I may get to doing some ME3 head canon stuff, but I don't know. I'm going to see if Bioware speaks up in some capacity, before I start rewriting things to my own preference.

I will be doing a video project as well. Through the magic of modding, greenscreening and clever audio editing I'm going to attempt to put something together that will do the romance justice.

Then I'm going to link it all over twitter.  

Sounds good. If it weren't for brilliant creative minds like yours I would be left to my own imagination- one that I don't have.

QUESTION: When Thane says that he'll wait for Shepard across the sea, won't his wife be there? I'm sure he still loves her but I can just see the three of them staring at each other in awkward silence.

My canon Shep gladly gives her life for the galaxy. She's lost her parents to slavers. her unit to thresher maws and now Thane. It would be nice if we could glimpse Thane by a desert oasis, beckoning her to him before the credits roll.

[wildannie]

Hainkpe wrote...

I've been discussing the Thane situation with my husband and best friend. We are of the same mind, its EA. Bioware was bought by EA, more money, more resources but a different mentality. Its about making money. I am not saying that it makes it right, no. Nothing they do will make any of this right. I just feel the need to be heard though. I don't need validation but I need to tell them, you dropped the ball on ME3 and on the characters Thane and Jacob.

So, I am going to write, actually write letters to the heads of Bioware and EA. Not in hopes of change or anything mean. No. Simply, I am disappointed. I met the most wonderful people because of this series. Mass Effect 2, has become one of my favorite games, largely because of Thane. The issues he brought with him as a character resounded with me on a personal level. To see his withering away was painful. To see his story go no where was, to me, a loss.

I am sit coming to terms with what it all meant to me and allowing that is a loss to be grieved. In time, I will return to the game and finish. As my best friend said, "I have no need to rush to it. I will get to it when I get to it." I am of the same opinion.

Poor Thane. I love his character. I want to see more of him. I don't know if that would ever be possible. I just know, that's how I feel.

You should write to them, not that I think it will do much (if any) good.  It's strange, I actually feel really hurt by what they've done and feeling totally stupid for the way I feel just makes me feel worse.  I've also spoken of this to my partner, and he, like me, can't understand why they would have done this.  They knew the Thane fans wanted a cure but they chose to only cater for those who did not... and who could ever have imagined that they'd have Jacob ditch Shepard in that way.  
I just completed Jacobs mission and re: Cerberus Shepard says something like 'that's what evil counts on, that its hard for good people to imagine'.  Even in the worst scenarios for ME3 I never imagined this...  I guess that cruel, and heartless count on the same thing.

[Elijee]

I'll add my voice to the disappointment.  I can't say I cried after the ending--had it been done right, I probably would have, but I was immediately far too frustrated by all of it to really get emotional.

After the whole fiasco, I spent a lot of time on the Normandy going, "Oh, here's Garrus--he's a bro and he was with us in ME2--and he's in front of the memorial!  SOMEONE CARES!  Wait, what?  You're talking about ASHLEY?  Chakwas, you understand!  Okay, never mind... Oh, hey, Traynor wants to do a 'game night.'  Maybe she's trying to be a good friend and give Shepard a shoulder to lean on.   Really?!  Traynor, you're adorkable and I will probably make a Shep for you... but TACT, plzthxbai."

I accept that he died.  I accepted it a long time ago when I realized that BW and a lot of fans alike seemed convinced that his illness was the defining factor of his personality (which is frankly stupid, IMO--I doubt someone would say that someone with cancer is defined by their illness).

I liked some points of ME3.  I did.  But there were so many points that just feel tacked on, rushed, or incomplete that I can't take the game seriously.  After ME1 and ME2, I finished the game and dwelled on it for days afterward thinking about how amazing the ride was and how much I want to go again.  This time, I'm dwelling on it and thinking about how many places the writers dropped the ball.  I'm not asking for sunshine and roses and unicorns, but I would like to see an ending that actually feels influenced by my choices and relationships.

Modifié par Elijee, 11 mars 2012 - 04:17 .

[stwu]

wildannie wrote...

You should write to them, not that I think it will do much (if any) good.  It's strange, I actually feel really hurt by what they've done and feeling totally stupid for the way I feel just makes me feel worse.  I've also spoken of this to my partner, and he, like me, can't understand why they would have done this.  They knew the Thane fans wanted a cure but they chose to only cater for those who did not... and who could ever have imagined that they'd have Jacob ditch Shepard in that way.  
I just completed Jacobs mission and re: Cerberus Shepard says something like 'that's what evil counts on, that its hard for good people to imagine'.  Even in the worst scenarios for ME3 I never imagined this...  I guess that cruel, and heartless count on the same thing.

Don't feel bad. Your not alone. I don't think the vast majority would be here if they didn't feel the same as you (us).
It only hurts because we care, were invested. Bioware should have known better but they plowed ahead with garbage instead.

[utaker1988]

I was discussing the poor treatment of Thane with someone who only played on the PS3 and you can imagine their horror. First, ME was never released on PS3, so all they got was to make some choices with Genesis that really held no emotional consequence on them. Their first experience with Mass Effect in general is ME2, so they cared about those characters more than they ever did for the ME ones because with the exception of Tali and Garrus, they did not know VS or Liara. Their first experience with VS is on Horizon and they act like an ass. So, the question was brought to me, why should they choose Kaidan or Liara over Thane? Why? They don't know them from squat. After losing the only LI they've ever known, why would they want to move on so quickly.

Maybe they should have thought about the PS3 owners as well. Ugh, the mess they created. My poor friend is crying over Skype right now. It is painful to hear.