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[mnomaha]

Wow, that really happens to Jack? How does that happen, not that I ever would, but I didn't know that.

[mnomaha]

Holy hell, you can get the paramour achievement for Kelly freaking Chambers, but not for Thane??? I am outraged!

[mnomaha]

Man, the "Demand a Better Ending" group on facebook is just jumping.

Numbers are from today.

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[Cyansomnia]

The louder and bigger we express our displeasure, the better.

[Lucky Thirteen]

mnomaha wrote...

Holy hell, you can get the paramour achievement for Kelly freaking Chambers, but not for Thane??? I am outraged!

where is the source of this, I keep looking around the net but I'm not seeing anyone officially say she is a paramour now.

[Hadeedak]

Thane and Garrus were my strike team in 2, and while this one's not a Thanemancer, he was one of her closest friends. And I always assumed he and Garrus were reasonably close, too. It's fitting that Garrus is the only one to say anything about his death (though I suppose "Only lost the one" might refer to Ash). And, during the Kai Leng fight, when he yelled "Your friend Thane died like a coward!", Garrus responded with "I'll tear his head off!" Even over the sound of vanguard charge.

I wish there was more on it instead of the strawgrasping I have to do. Thane's damn cool, and my Thanemancer's the next run through.

[HK-90210]

mnomaha wrote...

Hell, even Jacob got a better ending. He's gonna be a daddy. Miranda got her sister back. Jack is better and even got a boob job.

And where the hell is everbody at the end? I see Joker (and Edi) and my two current squaddies. Where's everyone else????

Not if you romanced him. He cheats on Shep and still ends up with the doctor. Tears this Jacobmancer's heart out, and not in a good way. Fact is that Bioware treated both the Thane and Jacob romances terribly in ME3. Add this to the fact that James Vega is not a LI, and they have a very funny way of showing they want to include their FemShep fans.

I mean, they kill Thane, have Jacob cheat, and give Vega flirt lines that never lead anywhere? THIS is how they want to appeal to their female fans? "Oh, but we gave you a FemShep trailer" Screw the Femshep trailer, this kind of treatment is bullcrap.

[Raiil]

Can anyone enlighten me as to this 'your friend died a coward' line and what people say? Because that line never fired for me.

[mythlover20]

All right. That's it. After reading these posts (or rather skimming through them) I have finally decided this is what we should do.

So I am announcing here the creation of The Mass Effect 3 Writing Project group. Or rather I'm announcing that this is what I would like us to do. A fan-driven rewrite of Mass Effect 3 to fix all the plot holes, contrived points, poorly made decisions, and rewrite the ME2 romances and fix the NPC responses to LI and Character Deaths.

I just got to Thane last night. I cried for an hour, I am not ashamed of it. I too am pissed that we weren't given a choice, and that his character development from ME2 was erased. The dialogue options in the hospital (which we all knew he did not want to end his life in) were rather contrived, and tring to get Thane alone to talk to him made Shepard sound like a sex-driven ****. The lack of a dialogue option for Kolyat also was a grave oversight. In fact, the first thing I did when I got to the Citadel was check in with Bailey (Margurite is still NOT happy with Kaidan, and rejects all his advances) and look for a dialogue option to ask about Kolyat. Also, why would Shepard not remember Kolyat? If she romanced his father she would most definitely remember him.

I did like the prayer at the end. That was what really got to me, the fact that Thane's dying act was to lead a prayer for his Siha. That seemed to be truly in-character for a romanced Thane, and is one of the few things they did right in that scene.

So yes, i am announcing my desire to create a fan-rewrite of ME3. It would be a collaborated effort, with one writer for each romance, the writers would be there to explain decisions made in their chapters, and would collaborate on the non-romance scenes. Character deaths would be included, but obviously be better written. It would be a point-by-point retelling, but since we now know what was done wrong, we would hopefully be able to fix it.  Rules and regs for joining would be posted after the group is formed. Beta readers/editors would be required, and it would be open for anyone to discuss on a open thread here in the Character and Romance Discussion thread.

It would be a big, and long, undertaking, so anyone who wants to write it would have to be in for the long haul.

I really would like to do this, (and obviously, be the one to write the Thane romance), but I will not do it unless I get support from you guys. (I also already know who I would like to write the Garrus romance one - Roarkshop, the woman who writes SandF).

Just, please let me know what you think. If I get a favourable response, I will create the group tonight and start looking for other writers/betas/editors.

[2leggywillow]

mythlover20 wrote...

I did like the prayer at the end. That was what really got to me, the fact that Thane's dying act was to lead a prayer for his Siha. That seemed to be truly in-character for a romanced Thane, and is one of the few things they did right in that scene.

Interestingly this is not exclusive to his romance, but rather FemShep.  Well, he didn't call her 'siha' that I recall, but you get the "He was praying for you" line from Kolyat.

[mnomaha]

CastonFolarus wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

Hell, even Jacob got a better ending. He's gonna be a daddy. Miranda got her sister back. Jack is better and even got a boob job.

And where the hell is everbody at the end? I see Joker (and Edi) and my two current squaddies. Where's everyone else????

Not if you romanced him. He cheats on Shep and still ends up with the doctor. Tears this Jacobmancer's heart out, and not in a good way. Fact is that Bioware treated both the Thane and Jacob romances terribly in ME3. Add this to the fact that James Vega is not a LI, and they have a very funny way of showing they want to include their FemShep fans.

I mean, they kill Thane, have Jacob cheat, and give Vega flirt lines that never lead anywhere? THIS is how they want to appeal to their female fans? "Oh, but we gave you a FemShep trailer" Screw the Femshep trailer, this kind of treatment is bullcrap.

Yes, I'm sorry, I did retract that earlier...somewhere. And as for Mr. Vega...dammit Bioware, why exactly are you so cruel?

[mythlover20]

2leggywillow wrote...

mythlover20 wrote...

I did like the prayer at the end. That was what really got to me, the fact that Thane's dying act was to lead a prayer for his Siha. That seemed to be truly in-character for a romanced Thane, and is one of the few things they did right in that scene.

Interestingly this is not exclusive to his romance, but rather FemShep.  Well, he didn't call her 'siha' that I recall, but you get the "He was praying for you" line from Kolyat.

Oh, now that sucks. It would have been perfect for an exclusive romance. Granted it also kinda makes sense if Thane and FemShep are friends, but I have Shepards (well, a Shepard) who never talked to him outside of asking him whether he was contageous.

I still like it though. It makes a lot of sense for a romanced Thane. But Kolyat? I really, really don't get his dialogue. Or rather, I don't know what the writers were thinking when they wrote his dialogue. I really don't.

[Aeyl]

Valentia X wrote...

Can anyone enlighten me as to this 'your friend died a coward' line and what people say? Because that line never fired for me.

Kai Leng, when you start fighting him, yells, "Your friend Thane died a coward."
Then, for the rest of the fight, Shepard taunts Kai Leng for "always running away" and generally pisses him off.

The second time I went went through the Cerberus base, the line got cut off. So it isn't surprising that you didn't hear it.

Then, after defeating Kai Leng, when he tries to sneak attack you, if you renegade interrupt you say, "That was for Thane you son of a b****"

Modifié par Aeyl, 12 mars 2012 - 04:24 .

[mnomaha]

I have never renegade prompted so fast in my life. And actually, I was rather surprised at the words coming out of my mouth at the time. I've never used some of them myself.

[mnomaha]

by the way, did anyone opt for Karrahe to fight instead of Thane? Does it decrease the already pathetic amount of conversation we have? Just wondering how it plays out.

[Raiil]

Aeyl wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

Can anyone enlighten me as to this 'your friend died a coward' line and what people say? Because that line never fired for me.

Kai Leng, when you start fighting him, yells, "Your friend Thane died a coward."
Then, for the rest of the fight, Shepard taunts Kai Leng for "always running away" and generally pisses him off.

The second time I went went through the Cerberus base, the line got cut off. So it isn't surprising that you didn't hear it.

Then, after defeating Kai Leng, when he tries to sneak attack you, if you renegade interrupt you say, "That was for Thane you son of a b****"

This is odd, I never got that line fired, and my brother literally did that mission five minutes ago- and neither did he.


But we definitely took the renegade interrupt, and I swear I said the exact thing Femhep said. 

[Aeyl]

[/quote]

This is odd, I never got that line fired, and my brother literally did that mission five minutes ago- and neither did he.


But we definitely took the renegade interrupt, and I swear I said the exact thing Femhep said. 

[/quote]

Hmm. Maybe it was at Thessia, then when he says that. I'm sorry if I'm wrong, brain is fried and all. If so, that would explain it, hahaha

[mnomaha]

Yes, I believe it was at Thessia as well. I remember being quite livid that I couldn't kill him there.

[Cyansomnia]

@mythlover20

An interesting idea, but I'd wait a little while before putting it into motion. As for myself, I'm comfortable writing my own head canon and publishing it on FF.net

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 12 mars 2012 - 05:28 .

[HK-90210]

mnomaha wrote...

I have never renegade prompted so fast in my life. And actually, I was rather surprised at the words coming out of my mouth at the time. I've never used some of them myself.

I know that it certainly helped my Thanemancing Shep get some closure on the issue .


Also, while I'm here, I'd like to state exactly why I think Thane's treatment in ME3 was GREAT. Not just OK, not passable, but GREAT. Sorry for the TL;DR aspect of this, but the only way I can articulate this is by telling my Shepard's story, so you can see this through the filter I did.

My Thanemancing Shepard, Kara(Colonist/WarH), is about a paragon as you can think of, except when it comes to the BIG choices. This is because her whole life, she's managed to distance herself from people, so she can remain rational and calm when she makes tough calls. But it was also a way of keeping herself from being hurt if she lost people.

The whole reason she grew to care for Thane was because he openned her eyes the same way Irikha(and she herself) had done for him. She was in a form of 'battlesleep' herself before she met Thane. His calm in the face of his death, and his desire for redemption showed her that putting your life on the line meant nothing if it held no value in the first place. In short, he changed her. Made her open up to people and accept them as friends, rather than just close associates or comrades-in-arms, regardless of the risks to herself, and even her mission. To lose her compassion for others in the face of costly decisions would make her little better than the Reapers.

Thane also gave her a reason to cherish what she had for as long as she could. But she had long steeled herself to losing him. So when she meets him in ME3, she accepts what is about to happen, and(headcannoning here) she spends what free time she has at the Citadel with him, and writes to him morning and night. She breaks down the night after Thane dies when she automatically goes to the consol to write him his next mail. Then, of course, she gets her LotSB letter from him. *gut punch*

And to be honest, Thane's death led to one of the most facinating love stories I've encountered in Mass Effect. I have one playthrough per romance, since I'm not fond of doubling up. I'd already completed my Kaidanmance and I didn't really want to go through it again just because I didn't have another option.

But once Thane died, my Shepard who lost him really did drift towards Kaidan. She saw the kind, sensitive man that she'd wanted all her life, but had simply given up hope on finding. She'd admired him while they had chased down Saren, and had respected his refusal to work with Cerberus, as she wasn't fond of the idea herself. But she wasn't looking for that kind of attachment while she was on duty, and he was her subordinate officer as well.

Yet she found herself drawn to him on a romantic level, even as she privately grieved for Thane. And it hit her that Thane would want her to move on, not be all mopey and sad. And where Thane had made her happy in the present, cherishing life for the first time since she was a kid, Kaidan made her hopeful for her future, so that she would have a life after the whole saving-the-galaxy thing was over. She doesn't love one any less than the other. As a great character once said, "How do you compare two sunsets?"

And don't tell her that the endings prevent a happy reunion with her Kaidan and her friends. The Normandy has a Quantam Entanglement Device, and there's only so far the Normandy can be from Earth, since it didn't jump through the relay. SHE HAS HER HAPPY ENDING, DAMMIT!

I know a lot of this post kind of belongs in the Kaidan thread, and I'm not saying that there aren't flaws with Thane's ME3 romance, or that you guys shouldn't have every right to take issue with them. But I just wanted you guys to see this through my eyes. I think Thane's conclusion as a character is beautiful, and focusing on how there should have been more dialouge here, or more that there should have been a way to keep him alive really spoils a lot of the positives of the portrayal he was given in ME3. Just my opinion, not too surprised if some of you dissagree. Arashu knows I haven't come up with anything that everyone's agreed on yet.

Wow, I really did go on. My apologies for taking up the page, I guess.

Modifié par CastonFolarus, 12 mars 2012 - 05:44 .

[Aeyl]

Well, I think I'll go back to lurking on this thread from now on. Seeing as though I don't think they'll do anything extra with Thane's character, and that just makes me depressed, talking about him just makes me more depressed, hahahaha

[JECW]

Aeyl wrote...

Well, I think I'll go back to lurking on this thread from now on. Seeing as though I don't think they'll do anything extra with Thane's character, and that just makes me depressed, talking about him just makes me more depressed, hahahaha

Bioware really let us down when it came to Thane. His romance could have been so much better, but they put all of their efforts elswhere and just forgot about him.

[mythlover20]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

@mythlover20

An interesting idea, but I'd wait a little while before putting it into motion. As for myself, I'm comfortable writing my own head canon and publishing it on FF.net

Well, I wasn't going to start writing it tonight, lol. I still have Invictus to finish (don't worry guys. I have another Tall, Scaly and Turqoise serving in the works). And of course we will have to see what the future DLC does. For all we know they might retcon the whole damn thing, or someone might discover that it IS possible to save Thane, but that there is a really long, convoluted way of doing it. In which case I would be IMMEDIATELY restarting Margurite's PTs in both ME2 and 3 to do it. Unless I have to start from ME1, in which case I'll be starting her off on my PC.

But I have a feeling that, seeing how this will be a HUGE project, that it will be a bit difficult trying to find people that are actually willing to do this. If it gets started I don't want to see, say, the Garrus romance writer dropping out after five chapters because they got tired of it. Ideally it would need the same writers throughout the whole project. We might have a bit more leeway with the beta readers/editors, but the main writers, nope. Need them the whole way through.

I was just hoping to get the ball rolling, start finding people, so that in a few months we would have the plot changes outlined and ready for us to start actually writing. It would be as big an effort as development would have been, and be as much of a collaborative effort. It would probably sort of end up being like a Choose-Your-Own-Adventure novel, only, well, better. Hopefully.

But then, it was just an idea. I really like this idea, but if no one else is interested, oh well. I guess I'll just have to do the whole damn thing myself.

BTW, should I even bother finishing my Thanemance PT. I already know that Margurite won't survive the final battle (headcanon) or at least not long after it, but is it really worth it, or should I just start playing Margaret?

Oh, Aislinn, just a question, are you going to do a Mordin tribute? I think it would be wonderful if you did. You've always done fantastic work.

[mnomaha]

Ah don't worry Myth. I don't think anyone really survives.

[mythlover20]

After this, I'm honestly hopeing that no one does. If Thane dies, everyone dies. End of story.