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[Aeyl]

utaker1988 wrote...

I've sat here and given my opinions and rants and I'd be more than happy to give what time I have to make this better. People who have never played the game or have just to play it, I know a few of those, wondered why would I purposely send my Shep into the arms of a dying man. In June of 2009, I remarried but a few months before that moment, I had to sit in a hospital room listening to a doctor tell my soon to be husband that at 33 years old, his liver was going to fail. He was going to end up with cirrhosis. Not what you'd like to hear but there it was. Paul in all his unselfishness, a couple of days later, pulled me into his hidey hole and told me, "this is not what you signed up for. you are too young to deal with this. i am giving you the opportunity to walk away now, no hard feelings, you deserve a life because i love you too much to burden you with this." I cried and then yelled at him. I basically told him that my love comes with no conditions, good or bad I will deal with it. I will take what time is given to us and cherish it all the more. He has accepted his fate, I still hold out hope. I know there isn't much that can be done but without hope, all is lost.

I saw myself in Shep when she chose Thane. I saw hope, I saw love, and with the laziness of someone else's writing, I saw it all taken away. I'm not asking for him to never die, I'm asking that they go back, look at what was written in ME2 and follow that, right along with the little bits of hope they flung at us and correct it. To not have this count as a real romance, hurts. It hurts a lot. When the day comes when my husband passes, I will NEVER look back and say, "this never really counted because he was dying and I knew it when I married him." WTF... I would also shoot anyone who felt it necessary to hit on me right after he dies.

So I said I was going to just lurk, but I cannot not respond to this. Best of luck to you two, I hope you can treasure every moment. 

[JECW]

Aello89 wrote...

Just wished to share the conversation lines with Thane as found in the last leaked script. I know some of you probably read.
I read this script soon after it got out but at the time I was pretty much disppointed about it.

Seeing what we got I am still baffled over that fact that I like what was in the script a lot better. Lack of choice to decide Thane's fate after all the time being led on with tidbits of tweet posts and hints here and there, is still something I can't easily forgive.

I think it'll be rather obvious which lines of the script  apply to romanced Thane.

SCRIPT: Context: Thane was supposed to assassinate Udina. There is another version of the leaked script where he can actually survive the coup and another conversation in the hospital (with Kolyat present) where he doesn't die either - or so it would see since the conversation was suddenly cut off.


Thane: {With a little difficulty.] Congratulations are in order. The Council has not been this united since... uhh.{Thane sinks to his knees. Shepard kneels by him.}

Shepard: What's wrong?

Thane:Kepral's. It's aggravated by... exertion.

Thane: I'm sorry, siha. I ran all the way here... couldn't let you fail. Thought I was being a hero.

I'm sorry, Shepard. I ran across the Presidium to... to make it here in time. Tried a little heroism.

Shepard:It's all right. Just catch your breath.

Thane:Doubtful. Oxygen transfer proteins aren't working. Your equivalent would be hemo-- {A coughing fit wracks Thane. Shepard helps out so he's lying in Shepard's arms.}--hemoglobin. Can't get oxygen from the air. Brain is starving.

Shepard:I'll get some medical help.

Thane:[Shakes head.] Don't go.

Shepard: Do you want me to see if I can find Kolyat for you?

Thane:No. But I have taken lives tonight to reach you. There is something I must do.

Shepard: Did I give you permission to die on me?

Thane: Don't make me laugh... breathing... is hard enough.

Shepard:You ran here in your condition? That's... that's suicide.

Thane:[CINEDESIGN: Small smile.] Last time we tried, it worked out. More importantly, I couldn't let you fail.{A coughing fit wracks Thane. Shepard helps out so he's lying in Shepard's arms.}Sorry. Shouldn't talk. Consumes more oxygen.

Shepard:I'll get some medical help.

Thane:I know all the experts on the Citadel. Ran diagnostics two weeks ago. I asked what they recommended at this late stage.They said, "spend time with your family."

Shepard:Looks like I'm all you've got.

Thane: I can think of no one better, siha.Your memory is not like mine, but perhaps you can keep me in it for a little while.

- Shepard: You're not an easy person to forget, Thane.

Thane:The moment will be soon. [Coughing fit.] I shouldn't have run. You did not even need me.

Shepard: You fought for something noble, Thane. As last moments go, it's not a bad one.

Thane:No... there is one I would prefer.[Thane memory flashback.] Fist slams the table. Shame at my cowardice, my fear. Atonement means nothing.Her hand touches mine. Her lips part and I tremble. "Thane, be alive with me tonight."

[His body relaxes. Shepard wipes her eyes. Maybe we see a tear, maybe we don't. The music tells us all we need to know.]

Shepard: Goodbye, Thane. Meet you across the sea.

- Shepard:For someone who just saved the Citadel Council, you seem to think people will forget you pretty fast.

Thane:Fame was the last thing on my mind. You were the first. Without you... well.

Shepard: You fought for something noble, Thane. As last moments go, it's not a bad one.

Thane: I am at peace with that, Commander.There is something I must do before it gets worse. I must-- [Coughing fit.]Kalahira, mistress of inscrutable depths, I ask forgiveness. Kalahira, whose waves wear down stone and sand--{Thane goes into another coughing fit.}

Shepard: Kalahira, wash the sins from this worshipper and set him on the distant shore of the infinite spirit.

Thane: How did you know that?

Shepard: I had to say something if you didn't come back from Omega-4. I had the extranet and a couple nights to think.

Thane:[Coughs.] Say it for me.

Shepard:Kalahira, this one's heart is pure but beset by wickedness and contention.Guide him to where the traveler never tires, the lover never leaves, the hungry never starve. Guide him, Kalahira, and he will be a companion to you as he was to me.

{Thane's body relaxes. Shepard closes his eyes. The music tells us all we need to know.}

{We pan up and out and fade to black.}

Shepard:Goodbye, Thane.

EDIT: This is not the only conversation in the script. Just to let you guys know. Hope I'll find the rest on my pc soon and share it with you, if you'd all like that. Just let me know.

It's clear that Bioware has no idea what they are doing if they honestly think what they gave us was bettter than this. 
I just don't understand why they cut this out of the game.

[Aello89]

JECW wrote...

Aello89 wrote...

Just wished to share the conversation lines with Thane as found in the last leaked script. I know some of you probably read.
I read this script soon after it got out but at the time I was pretty much disppointed about it.

Seeing what we got I am still baffled over that fact that I like what was in the script a lot better. Lack of choice to decide Thane's fate after all the time being led on with tidbits of tweet posts and hints here and there, is still something I can't easily forgive.

I think it'll be rather obvious which lines of the script  apply to romanced Thane.

SCRIPT: Context: Thane was supposed to assassinate Udina. There is another version of the leaked script where he can actually survive the coup and another conversation in the hospital (with Kolyat present) where he doesn't die either - or so it would see since the conversation was suddenly cut off.
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*snip*

EDIT: This is not the only conversation in the script. Just to let you guys know. Hope I'll find the rest on my pc soon and share it with you, if you'd all like that. Just let me know.

It's clear that Bioware has no idea what they are doing if they honestly think what they gave us was bettter than this. 
I just don't understand why they cut this out of the game.

If I remember correctly JECW didn't the leaked script also contain a conversation that was like suddenly cut off. It really looked like they were considering putting in an alternative ending for Thane, one that didn't involve pre-set death?
Also I wish I could find Cris L'Etoiles contact mail or something to ask him if he already knew ( between develompent pf ME2 and after ME2 was finished) how Thane is going to be handled in ME3. They probably must have had some sort of clue what they want  to do with Thane.

I wish I could find that script, sneaky little file.

Modifié par Aello89, 12 mars 2012 - 07:15 .

[Visii]

Aello89 wrote...

Also I wish I could find Cris L'Etoiles contact mail or something to ask him if he already knew ( between develompent pf ME2 and after ME2 was finished) how Thane is going to be handled in ME3. They probably must have had some sort of clue what they want  to do with Thane.

I wish I could find that script, sneaky little file.

In the neck snap appreciation society, someone posted that they had done that, and at least, when 'Etoiles left,  he didn't know what they were doing with Thane, that nothing was set in stone.

It just really bothers me because the logic behind this decision is flawed. Does the ability to save Jack undercut the outcome where she suffers and is killed by Shepard? Is the situation where Miranda lives undercut where she dies due to Kai-Leng torture? What about Tali alive as opposed to Tali broken and bloodied at the bottom of a cliff? Why would it be any different with Thane?

And then, on top of not giving us any chance to save him, they completely mess up the romance and death scenes, which was supposed to be recompense for killing him.

[Cosmochyck]

Chris has moved to ZeniMax Online Studios - might be able to find him there?

[Aello89]

Visii wrote...

Aello89 wrote...

Also I wish I could find Cris L'Etoiles contact mail or something to ask him if he already knew ( between develompent pf ME2 and after ME2 was finished) how Thane is going to be handled in ME3. They probably must have had some sort of clue what they want  to do with Thane.

I wish I could find that script, sneaky little file.

In the neck snap appreciation society, someone posted that they had done that, and at least, when 'Etoiles left,  he didn't know what they were doing with Thane, that nothing was set in stone.

It just really bothers me because the logic behind this decision is flawed. Does the ability to save Jack undercut the outcome where she suffers and is killed by Shepard? Is the situation where Miranda lives undercut where she dies due to Kai-Leng torture? What about Tali alive as opposed to Tali broken and bloodied at the bottom of a cliff? Why would it be any different with Thane?

And then, on top of not giving us any chance to save him, they completely mess up the romance and death scenes, which was supposed to be recompense for killing him.

I couldn't agree more with what you said. That's exactly the thing that I simply can't understand. As you said saving him wouldn't diminish the decision of other players who would decide to let him die.
But it seems their only argument toward our wish for proloning his life being one of two options ( that ironically every other character gets) is his terminal illness.
They seem to forget what concept of choice is really all about.

But I digress. I would have been more at peace knowing they didn't just turned his character (if romanced) upside down and treated his romance arc as some sort of fling with no meaning.

@Cosmochyck : Thanks, I'll try to dig up there or find his blog in the process.

[Kaija]

Given that one major complaint is that the dialogue and interaction between many characters is inadequate and they had more detailed script I really wonder what the reasons behind these cuts were!

[Aello89]

@Kaija: They forgot that some romanced Thane thus the reason no one says anything after he dies and the reason why Shepard look like she has emotional disability.
On the other hand: budget?

Modifié par Aello89, 12 mars 2012 - 09:25 .

[JECW]

Aello89 wrote...

@Kaija: They forgot that some romanced Thane thus the reason no one says anything after he dies and the reason why Shepard look like she has emotional disability.
On the other hand: budget?

I still can't believe that they just forgot about him.

I don't know about the budget, but I'm sure there are somethings in that game that we could have done without to save money.

[mnomaha]

I'm doing a facebook page (apparently) for this thread

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/325/index/9749360/8#9831936

It will include all the screwed over LI's in ME3. Just saying...

Modifié par mnomaha, 12 mars 2012 - 09:39 .

[mnomaha]

I still want to know what they were doing during that three month delay.

[Aello89]

JECW wrote...

Aello89 wrote...

@Kaija: They forgot that some romanced Thane thus the reason no one says anything after he dies and the reason why Shepard look like she has emotional disability.
On the other hand: budget?

I still can't believe that they just forgot about him.

I don't know about the budget, but I'm sure there are somethings in that game that we could have done without to save money.

I KNOW. If nothing else Hana's banner WAS RIGHT THERE. In their office.

Modifié par Aello89, 12 mars 2012 - 09:46 .

[mnomaha]

Oh hell Aello, they probably took it down right after the picture. Or they put it up for comical relief. People put a lot of hard work and effort into that awesome banner, but it is EAWare.

[Aello89]

mnomaha wrote...

I still want to know what they were doing during that three month delay.

Screwing us?

[JECW]

mnomaha wrote...

I still want to know what they were doing during that three month delay.

Thinking that this crap they gave us was actually good.

[JECW]

Aello89 wrote...

JECW wrote...

Aello89 wrote...

@Kaija: They forgot that some romanced Thane thus the reason no one says anything after he dies and the reason why Shepard look like she has emotional disability.
On the other hand: budget?

I still can't believe that they just forgot about him.

I don't know about the budget, but I'm sure there are somethings in that game that we could have done without to save money.

I KNOW. If nothing else Hana's banner WAS RIGHT THERE. In their office.

I wonder if they still have it hanging in their office.

[lyssalu]

it would have been cool if a kepral's cure had been what was needed in order to collect the hanar as war assets

it makes about as much sense as the many asspulls that were made in this game, if not more so

you'd think a cure for the hanar's only source of physical power would be a pretty high up there demand and i'm sure the hanar feel bad as **** about it

what was it liara says?

ah, yes,

"people were under pressure"

Modifié par lyssalu, 12 mars 2012 - 09:52 .

[Aello89]

All what lyssalu said. Real strange they didn't actually include something like this in the game. It would have been awesome in compare to what we got.

Just to spice this with little sarcasm for good times sake.
BioWare response to all this: WINNING.

P.S: No harm intended.

[lyssalu]

liesandpropaganda wrote...

Mass Effect 3. All things worth keepingvwill be neck snapped

sdfljhsjadhf

LMAO

[Aello89]

It's like Turian counselor jokes all over again.

Thane romance? We've dismissed that claim.

Except this time they make me cry. Or punch things.

Modifié par Aello89, 12 mars 2012 - 10:20 .

[Visii]

Does anyone else kinda feel like they HAVE TO let us save Thane, now?

If they'd done what they'd purported to do, made the romance and death scene bittersweet and leave us sad but satisfied, well... they completely screwed it up. I thought we were promised a satisfying conclusion to all the romances, what happened here is anything but.

I mean, entitlement aside, splicing in a few lines of dialogue that buff up the romance and making more people remember Thane doesn't seem like it'll make the bad memories go away, especially considering the fact that the idea that he HAS TO die is ludicrous, given the save or damn options with nearly everyone else.

Modifié par Visii, 12 mars 2012 - 10:27 .

[lyssalu]

kaimanaMM wrote...

I'm playing through again, this time on my infiltrator who romanced Garrus.

The female Shep / unromanced Thane conversation at the hospital is better than the convo with a romanced Thane.

I couldn't even work up anger about it, just more disappointment.

Dopped the ball?  That's an understatement.

how is it different?  that's so disappointing