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[Inujade]

De-lurking.

I'm a Thane fan. Never romanced him personally, but I watched my boyfriend romance him with HIS canonShep, so I've seen all the romance content. For my Shep he was a great friend and ally.

As far as the friendship goes, I actually think Thane's storyline was very well-done. But the whole time I was thinking (knowing my boyfriend would be playing through the romanced version of these events shortly), they better make his death significant to the Thane-mancers. Obviously, they didn't. Which is a huge slap in the face, considering he was one of the most popular, to my understanding.

Now, I've seen a lot of you guys talking about alternate story-lines where he lives, and that would indeed be awesome. But what I want to know is, would any of you be satisfied with his death as is, if these changes were made:

-They made it a Thane flashback at the endgame, and not Liara
-You got the Paramour achievement after the sexytimes at the hospital
-Garrus would specifically mention Thane while looking at the Memorial Wall
- and, possibly, Javik mentioning that your pheromones reveal you are in mourning (I don't know if Javik mentions Thane at all, but I haven't heard anything)

Just a hypothetical question. Basically, what would it take to 'pay for' the death he received in game? Or is it irredeemable?

[Visii]

Inujade wrote...

De-lurking.

I'm a Thane fan. Never romanced him personally, but I watched my boyfriend romance him with HIS canonShep, so I've seen all the romance content. For my Shep he was a great friend and ally.

As far as the friendship goes, I actually think Thane's storyline was very well-done. But the whole time I was thinking (knowing my boyfriend would be playing through the romanced version of these events shortly), they better make his death significant to the Thane-mancers. Obviously, they didn't. Which is a huge slap in the face, considering he was one of the most popular, to my understanding.

Now, I've seen a lot of you guys talking about alternate story-lines where he lives, and that would indeed be awesome. But what I want to know is, would any of you be satisfied with his death as is, if these changes were made:

-They made it a Thane flashback at the endgame, and not Liara
-You got the Paramour achievement after the sexytimes at the hospital
-Garrus would specifically mention Thane while looking at the Memorial Wall
- and, possibly, Javik mentioning that your pheromones reveal you are in mourning (I don't know if Javik mentions Thane at all, but I haven't heard anything)

Just a hypothetical question. Basically, what would it take to 'pay for' the death he received in game? Or is it irredeemable?

Well, considering how they really butchered Thane's death the first time around, I don't want a patch up job. If that was them doing their best at trying to make it beautiful and powerful, then I don't want that, when Miranda gets a more emotional send off, and it's not even mandatory. I don't even want them to fix it. I want something else. If they ruin a good dish at a restaurant and I go back for some reason, I try something else.

- an option to save/cure/extend his life. We saw him die and how 'well' they did at it. Now lets see how they could make him live.

- failing that, more conversation. Far more conversation with Thane. Not about his illness, about him. We already had plenty of illness talk in ME2. In ME3 there wasn't much romantic dialogue, and then he died. That's not a romance.
- ... no hospital make-out scene in full view of everyone else. Suits Jack, but not Thane, to me, something a little more private.
- Ok, achievement.
- Not just Garrus mentioning Thane- have Liara or Chakwas or freaking someone coming to Shepard and see how they're holding up. (Btw Javik mentions Thane, but all he says is, "the being last in (life support) had an... illness).

Modifié par Visii, 17 mars 2012 - 02:57 .

[Hisilome]

utaker1988 wrote...

I will head over there shortly but before I do I had to share something I remembered from a few weeks ago when I was doing one last run in ME2.

I was playing while my 2 girls were watching (11 and 9) and I headed up to Shep's cabin to feed her fish. Which prompted the 11 year old to say, "Does anyone ever go to her room besides Thane?" At this point I had finished main story and was working on the finishing the DLC. I told her Liara does but only if you ask her too. Then comes, "Why not? Do they not like Shepard?" I said, "Well, it probably has everything to do with Shep's rule. Nobody enters unless they take their shoes off." I figure it's ok, about 5 minutes later I she yells out, "Moooooommmmmmmmyyyyyy, that's gross." I look at her and say, "What are you talking about?" Her, "I was thinking about that and I know that Thane's shoes are attached to his clothes. That's just gross." My response, "Oh get your mind out of the gutter." I really didn't think she'd catch on, she's only 11.

*giggles* Take it from a teacher, never underestimate the smarts of children!  Of course she caught on, hehe, they're so smart!

[FbangIncentinveX]

After the ending is fixed, does anyone here want to start campaigning for a way to make Thane live.

"We saw him die and how 'well' they did at it. Now lets see how they could make him live."

Couldn't have put it better myself.

[Eliza]

Visii wrote...

Inujade wrote...

De-lurking.

I'm a Thane fan. Never romanced him personally, but I watched my boyfriend romance him with HIS canonShep, so I've seen all the romance content. For my Shep he was a great friend and ally.

As far as the friendship goes, I actually think Thane's storyline was very well-done. But the whole time I was thinking (knowing my boyfriend would be playing through the romanced version of these events shortly), they better make his death significant to the Thane-mancers. Obviously, they didn't. Which is a huge slap in the face, considering he was one of the most popular, to my understanding.

Now, I've seen a lot of you guys talking about alternate story-lines where he lives, and that would indeed be awesome. But what I want to know is, would any of you be satisfied with his death as is, if these changes were made:

-They made it a Thane flashback at the endgame, and not Liara
-You got the Paramour achievement after the sexytimes at the hospital
-Garrus would specifically mention Thane while looking at the Memorial Wall
- and, possibly, Javik mentioning that your pheromones reveal you are in mourning (I don't know if Javik mentions Thane at all, but I haven't heard anything)

Just a hypothetical question. Basically, what would it take to 'pay for' the death he received in game? Or is it irredeemable?

Well, considering how they really butchered Thane's death the first time around, I don't want a patch up job. If that was them doing their best at trying to make it beautiful and powerful, then I don't want that, when Miranda gets a more emotional send off, and it's not even mandatory. I don't even want them to fix it. I want something else. If they ruin a good dish at a restaurant and I go back for some reason, I try something else.

- an option to save/cure/extend his life. We saw him die and how 'well' they did at it. Now lets see how they could make him live.

- failing that, more conversation. Far more conversation with Thane. Not about his illness, about him. We already had plenty of illness talk in ME2. In ME3 there wasn't much romantic dialogue, and then he died. That's not a romance.
- ... no hospital make-out scene in full view of everyone else. Suits Jack, but not Thane, to me, something a little more private.
- Ok, achievement.
- Not just Garrus mentioning Thane- have Liara or Chakwas or freaking someone coming to Shepard and see how they're holding up. (Btw Javik mentions Thane, but all he says is, "the being last in (life support) had an... illness).

I would like to some more things that I think would improve the Thane romance.

First point: Today I watched the video where Shep talks to Kaidan in the hospital the second time. Kaidan asks her about the rumors of her and an assassin. All her answers to Kaidan imply that the romance with Thane ment not much to nothing to her. That is not my FemShep who is talking to Kaidan! She would have told him, that the rumors are true and that she really loves this assassin and that she did not cheat on Kaidan because at Horizon they broke up. But there is no such option. So for me they should give me this kind of answer, too.

Second: I would like to have the chance in later conversations to tell
Kaidan that the Drell he fought with against Cerberus was this assassin
she loves and that he promissed to watch over Kaidan for Shep. And I would like Kaidan to comment on that in a proper way.

[Hadeedak]

Post here, offer your opinions -- constructive, please! -- on Thane and the endings, or whatever else bothered you. They're asking for our voice! Let's tell them!

http://social.biowar...ndex/10098213/1

[coldwetn0se]

In JECW's thread (Poor Treatment of Thane's Romance), I offered up a list of things they could realistically do to improve the Thane romance. Funny thing is, I myself, don't actually find it enough to bring me back to playing the game. I offered that list since there are those that could at least take solace in the improvements, and continue playing the game. Enjoyment of the entertainment that you pay for is, after all, a good thing.

At this point though, getting the CHOICE to keep Thane alive, is the only thing that will bring me back to this game. Still love BW, but NOT this game.

[wildannie]

coldwetn0se wrote...

In JECW's thread (Poor Treatment of Thane's Romance), I offered up a list of things they could realistically do to improve the Thane romance. Funny thing is, I myself, don't actually find it enough to bring me back to playing the game. I offered that list since there are those that could at least take solace in the improvements, and continue playing the game. Enjoyment of the entertainment that you pay for is, after all, a good thing.

At this point though, getting the CHOICE to keep Thane alive, is the only thing that will bring me back to this game. Still love BW, but NOT this game.

This, I need to be able to make him survive if that doesn't happen after all DLC is released I'll just delete all my saves and probably not look back.  We deserve to be able to save Thane and if we choose not to we also deserve his death to be handled better, but the latter is no use to me without the option of the former.

[Echo_V]

Tentura wrote...

I realize I should add my voice to this thread, because I feel the same. It's nice to know that I am not alone in my feelings about Thane in ME3. I was just now prompted to put my thoughts into words by someone who hasn't experienced ME3 yet. I had only chatted with friends about it until now. But I should put those thoughts here as well. Solidarity!

First, I can see how some people are satisfied. For them, his death was 'going out with a bang,' and that was enough. But for some of us who got to know Thane on a deeper level and really enjoyed the meaningful way his character was developed in ME2, I just find it dissatisfying. Whether or not everyone feels that way about him, I think is unimportant. I would imagine that nearly every player connects to at least one character in that way. For us, it was Thane. We may not be the largest group, but… we exist.

I have decided that I am okay with an unavoidable death for Thane, if they had just handled it better. It would have been nice if we could have saved him or prolonged his life with some sort of treatment, but that's probably beside the point now.

After Thane's character development throughout ME2, finding him sitting and staring out a window in a hospital … just felt so wrong. I am sure others have pointed out the missed opportunities to provide a satisfying story arc - like if you have to go back to the hospital again to see the VS, why not have Thane present a bit of new dialog? And a date -like those given to many other characters- wouldn't have been impossible. It needn't be anything too involved - a quiet picnic on the Presidium, for instance. Certainly if he can get up and move about the hospital, he could have done that. A little more dialog and interaction would have gone a long way.

The battle between Thane and Leng was, of course, cool to watch. But, I have trouble accepting that Shep did not participate in the fight. I suppose that BW did it to simplify the scene and give it more impact - assassin vs assassin and all that. But, it might have been more believable if, say, Shepard had been surprised and incapacitated first in some way... and then Thane burst in and stopped Leng from finishing the hit. I dunno. I just was screaming at my television for Shep to "do something!"

It wasn't until the final hospital scene that I really was hit in the face with the full weight of disappointment. Bam -there you are- the doctor tells you something about him needing blood, but then when you say you'll get more, he says they have Kolyats and oh it won't help anyways… it's like, what the heck are you talking to me for, doc? Then you go into the room, and Kolyat introduces himself to you like you don't know who he is?! Of course I know who you are! I shot a damn lamp for you! Augh! What was up with that dialog?

I was touched by the prayer. But I'm sure I'm not alone in feeling that when someone you love is dying, you don't let them die without telling them so. Shepard should have been able to tell him "I love you," hold his hands, and look him in those dark soulful eyes one last time. It felt so impersonal to me. I saw the romanced Miranda death, and in comparison it was beautifully bittersweet. Of course, that is only an optional death. You'd think for a required death of a ME2 LI, they would have given the moment at least that much care - if not much, much more. It is really as if they completely forgot he was a LI. It baffles me, it truly does. How is that possible?? This is what I honestly cannot wrap my mind around.  And no 'Paramour' acheivement?  That is just an insult - all the Sheps who stayed by his side to the very end deserved more.

And then Shepard is literally booted from the room and the door is locked behind her, leaving here standing there looking in through the window in the most forlorn and pitiful way. To finish it off, none of your shipmates comment on his death - no matter if he was your friend or your LI. It really is as Thane said in ME2 at one of his most depressed moments: "When I'm gone, it will be as if I'd never lived." Also, when all the potential LIs move in and make their first passes at Shepard --> really, really poor taste.

It's all be said before (and probably better worded!)… but it's one more voice.

Big ol' *hugs* to every last one of you.

Seriously, THIS is exactly how i felt!
I was really dissapointed, because for me the thane romance was one of the biggest reasons why i was so excited for ME 3 ! I never romanced anyone else.

i hope bioware is considering a DLC so we can still get a satisfaying romance. If not, I won't bother to play it anymore =/

[Cosmochyck]

@squeegee - GENIUS - send it to Bioware!!

[coldwetn0se]

@Tentura - well said. The lack of care written in the dialogue from Shepard and not paying attention to storylines (ummmm....yeah, I know who you are Kolyat *hug!*) is SOOOO jarring.

[Visii]

This is what I'm submitting to the feedback thread. Hope I got everything:

Everyone has gotten into the habit of saying that ME3 was flawless up until the last ten minutes.

That is not true, at least when it comes to the Mass Effect 2 romance-able characters. This is not to say that the romances are more important than the rest of the story, but I'm pretty sure I'm not alone is saying that it is really a unique and fascinating aspect of the game. It helps make the player feel as though Shepard is really citizen of the universe through interactions and relationships with the other characters in the game. This type of 'relationship' with the other characters is something that I literally can't get in any other game or series outside of Bioware's.

In particular, I wanted to speak about Thane, though ALL the ME2 romances suffered from a distinct lack of content. Their non-squadmate status would not have been half as upsetting if there had been plenty of interaction (which didn't have to be in person) to make up for it. But most simply disappeared from the narrative almost entirely. Seeing as the ME2 characters lacked content in general, lacking a decent amount of romantic dialogue on top of that is what people are upset about and what we all wish was rectified.

I would point to these threads in particular which have far too many amazing posts to go into detail here, but detail more specific desires regarding the other ME2 characters:


Take Back the Love! Better ME2 Romances in ME3:
http://social.biowar.../index/10006936

Protesting the Poor Treatment of Thane Krios' Romance:
http://social.biowar...5/index/9749360

Protesting the Poor Treatment of Jacob Taylor's romance:
http://social.biowar...5/index/9729648

Lack of Love for FemShep, No More Equality for Bioware's female players: http://social.biowar...5/index/9839951

Zero Male Romance Interestes for Femshep: http://social.biowar...5/index/9766428

Wow Femshep really got looked over in this game: http://social.biowar...5/index/9829443

What was Upsetting: It's Mr.Thane Krios, not Mr.Kepr Al Syndrome.

- Thane was a fascinating character with a well-thought-out and developed past and personality. And while the Kepral's Syndrome perhaps adds to the urgency of his character, most of his fans have never defined himself by it. He was a Drell, a child taking part in the Compact, an assassin for the Hanar Illuminated Primacy, a lover of reading, a husband, a father, a reader of philosophy, a widower, and an absentee-by-necessity father, all before he was a man dying of Keprals.

At the end of the romance in ME 2, it was satisfying to see Thane stop defining himself by it. That was his character arch: he no longer believed or could accept that he was the equivalent of a dead man walking because of the disease. He had something to live for; his son and Shepard. For the first time ever since he had met Irikah and lost her, he wanted to live. A mental victory over the Syndrome at the very least.

When found on the Citadel in ME3, his being was entirely defined by his severely advanced Kepral's Syndrome. The majority of his only conversation with Shepard, romanced or otherwise, was about the disease. He didn't not die because of Kai Leng (had he gotten that wound without Kepral's he would have been fine after surgery, as the doctor noted) but because of Kepral's Syndrome. Even if Shepard didn't find him at Huerta hospital, and consequently didn't get involved with assassination attempt? He still died of Keprals. He didn't want to die in a hospital bed, as said in his Lair of the Shadow Broker Letter, and yet, that is where and how he died.

When people say, "The whole point of his character was that he was dying," well those people are patently wrong. And having written him that way in ME3 was worse.

What kind of message is, "dying people are what disease they have?" My mother is dying of pancreatic cancer. Is she only the disease? Did she cease to be a person once she was diagnosed with it? Has she lost all facets of her personality because she is now a dying woman? Of course not. Why should it be any different with Thane? I only bring this up because I am, of course, not the only one who is watching a loved one suffer from a terrible, debilitating illness. For those of us who are or have, there was a strong connection with Shepard. That made Thane's death all the more terrible to watch. We did not need the message that, "sometimes, things are out of your control" or "sometimes, people close to you die." Many of us are living that reality, and certainly do not need a second dose of it in the video games we play for recreation. It could have and should have been handled with more care, more respect.

What Was Particularly Depressing: Thane's Death Broke Suspension of Disbelief

- I spoke with someone who had no reason to lie, and they said that there was never any path planned for saving Thane, that his death would be so moving, so powerful, so emotional as to be worth the loss of his character, that offering a way out would cheapen it.

Does the option to save Jack at Grissom Academy negate the effect of her gruesome transformation and manipulation at the hands of Cerberus? Does the option to tip off Miranda about Kai-Leng undercut the scene where she dies in Shepard's arms? Does the sacrifice/Warden death ending of Dragon Age: Origins cancel out the effect of the coronation ceremony? No. It's just an option! In a a game that is purportedly about options! In a game such as this, it is indeed possible to please everyone, just offer more than one option! Why didn't people who wanted to save Thane have that option?

Directly after being recruited in ME2, during the first conversation on the Normandy, Thane mentioned that the Hanar were working on a cure; he just didn't expect that he would live long enough to benefit from it. In Lair of the Shadow Broker, Thane's dossier showed that he was an eligible transplant candidate: it was possible for Thane to receive a transplant that would extend his life. There would not need to be a miracle cure because there was already one in the works by the Hanar. In addition, the CDN mentioned a new medigel for the lungs that would revolutionize internal medicine; I hope I need not explain how this could immediately benefit Thane. This felt like a particular nod to Thane fans, because an article talking about medigel for the lungs would only be of interest to Thane fans and no other portions of the fan base.

Unlike the game endings, there was setup here. The pieces were all in place. It wouldn't be a deus ex machina, people could look back at the game and see the trail that lead from there to a cured, or at least, surviving Thane. An expedient cure wasn't even necessary, if the disease was just stabilized, it would have been enough for us to hope that he would live long enough to receive the Hanar cure.

And yet, all that foreshadowing was dismissed. What was given to us in ME3 was a slap in the face. There was hope; not hope from desperate fans reaching for any half-baked scrap of information to support their claim, but hope born of game-provided evidence. If Thane was always slated to die, why give fans any hope at all? Why have Thane mention that the Hanar were working on a cure? Why put in Thane's Shadow Broker Dossier that he was an eligible transplant candidate? Why release on the CDN information about a medigel for the lungs, when that information would only be of interest to a select group of the fan base? Why recognize the "Cure Thane in ME3" banner, giving more hope to fans?

His unavoidable death was all the more bitter because we believed, in a universe were cancer had been beaten; in a universe where death, however costly had been surmounted; in a universe where the Genophage, a product of years and many individuals' labor could be reversed by one, (despite supposedly being years away from a cure in ME2) that Thane's life could have been extended, and that his death could have been avoided.

What was an Insult: The Aftermath
Both Thane's death itself and the aftermath was done so poorly (from a romanced Shepard's perspective) that it should not have happened at all. It was not beautiful, it was not touching. Shepard showed no emotion, and wasn't given any option to show any. Because the "romance" that came before it was so threadbare and uninspired, it fails on the very fronts it needed to succeed at to be considered successful and satisfying to those who had no way to avoid losing a favorite character/LI.

The majority of Thane fans had accepted the possibility of Thane's death, despite all the alleged foreshadowing from the previous games and DLC. We had many other reasons than the obvious to pray that it wouldn't come to pass; in previous ME games, character/squadmate death wasn't exactly given the gravitas it deserved. In Mass Effect 2, during the Suicide Mission, Shepard shrugs and moves on no matter who died, even their LI. Afterwards, none of the other squadmates even mentioned that they had lost some of their number. This dismissive treatment was something we all feared more than Thane's death itself; he wouldn't just die, he also wouldn't be remembered. And that was exactly how it went.

Right after that tearjerking (/sarcasm) goodbye, does Shepard get to talk to anyone about losing Thane, romanced or otherwise? Does any other ME2 character mention him? Did any other character even ask how Shepard was coping? No, but he gets his name on that wall!

This was as the more painful to see, especially because in nearly every other instance, when another ME2 character died, everyone on the ship had something to say about it. If the Virmire Survivor died on the Citadel, Garrus had something to say. If Samara died at the monastery, Joker had a comment. Tali remembered Miranda, could remember Legion. It was proved through these characters' deaths, that their loss could resonate. Why didn't it happen with Thane? I inferred from a conversation with someone in the know, that there were resource and time issues that contributed to this.

If the aftermath of a character's death cannot be handled with as much care as the death was, then the character shouldn't die. Period. Why was Thane the only one fighting Kai-Leng? Why was Shepard and the others just standing uselessly with their guns drawn? Why does the nurse at the hospital mention that Thane needs more blood and then states more blood won't do any good?

Why do those who romanced Thane get the exact same Lair of the Shadow Broker goodbye letter, if they already romanced Thane? It was understandable, that it was made available for those who didn't play Lair of the Shadow Broker, who didn't/couldn't go on the internet to look it up, but what did those who had already read it get? Nothing! Nothing new and bitterly inadequate, given Thane fans are the only ones who are forced to see their LI die in game, on camera, with no way to avert it.

If any LI should have given Shepard a trinket, it should have been Thane. A picture of them on their desert vacation, taken when they were together before Shepard turned herself in, or a holo (like the one Thane had made of Mouse). Something. Anything to remember him by. Anything other than absence.


What Changes Should Be Made

- An option to save Thane should be made available. I've now seen how he died: he went unmourned by all, Shepard included. Nothing will take those memories away. While the lack of death/romance recognition/lack of romance dialogue/romance scene issues should be corrected, I want to see him live. We deserve to be able to save Thane and if we choose not to we also deserve his death to be handled better, but the latter is no use to many Thane fans without the option of the former.
- If the above won't be done, have a Shepard that romanced Thane show more emotion during the death scene. Have the option for her to tell him she loves him, and have him do the same. Miranda got a better, more satisfying death scene, and it wasn't mandatory. For the required death of an ME2 LI, Thane should have been given at least that much care.
- Thane was one of the few ME2 characters who didn't get a mission in the game. Please, please, please make it happen. Make a Kahje mission where, if completed, there can be assets for the war and a cure for Thane. Those who didn't romance him or don't want him (and the Drell to be cured) could still get the resources through Kasumi's mission. Thane is a natural connection to the Hanar. He worked for them. He had the procedure done so he could see their bioluminescence. His race is inextricably tied to theirs. The Hanar worship the Protheans, had prevented the "defilement" of some Prothean ruins in ME1; maybe there is a Prothean object that could be of use in building the crucible or just providing important information, that Shepard+CO could help retrieve.
- for all the ME2 characters, more interaction, more dialogue. Couldn't they have sent emails? Or had video-chat conversations? It would have been amazing if, after every major mission or two, we could have a conversation with Shepard's LI, keep them up to date on what's happening with the war, get their reaction on recent developments, give and receive advice. It would help both ways; both Shepard LI would hear how the war was going in other places, how different groups are fairing.
- Jacob's portrayal and treatment in ME3 was abysmal. The best line out of Jacob's ME3 romance was when Shepard said, "If we both die here today, I want to know that we've said all there was to say." … Best because it was so patently terrible. Nothing was accomplished with that conversation. Jacob acted like he had a frontal lobotomy, Shepard acted like a kiss would fix everything (and in the same voice no one liked from Jacob's romance scenes) and it just make no bloody sense that "forever" equated to six months, after Jacob admitted that he loved Shepard in ME2 and that the two of them were together far longer than they were apart. One issue (disregarding the fact that this scenario happened at all) is that it had no build up, no tension. There was no option for Shepard to fix it, just like there was no way to save Thane, no way for way for Shepard to even prevent it from happening, no way to adequately express her anger or hurt. It's just OVER. If the point was to tell a, "well, not everything works out" story, then the relationship breakdown should have been shown throughout that mission, instead of just jumping to the IT'S OVER phase. It also has unfortunate implications given Jacob's race and his.. popularity status on the forums.

Thank you.

[coldwetn0se]

@Visii - absolutely beautifully put! So very well thought out. Hope upon hope this has an impact for upcoming DLC, but......

[Visii]

So. I posted this on the Thane protest thread, but I thought I'd put it here. Nothing I hadn't said before, just with some quotes from someone I spoke to who had no reason to lie.

I can't reveal my source. They really, really didn't want talk to me, or anyone for that matter but they finally said this:

Regarding the state of the ME2 LI's:

"... we were told that of the old love interests, only Tali and Garrus would really carry forward, we all tried to deal with it as best we could... It was a bitter pill, and some of us did better than others."

Regarding the entire Thane, nobody/remembered him after he died bit, "Nobody took the realization casually. We collectively beat ourselves up about it when we realized what had happened..." Apparently there were issues regarding the Cerberus Coup, and fixing them took more time than they realized. "I'd like to think that if it had been in good shape earlier, we would have noticed."


About Thane's death:

"The plan was always to have him die, and I'm sorry anything felt like foreshadowing otherwise. I had hoped to make it possible to have him survive and go off to be a war asset like Grunt, but it didn't come through, mainly because everyone said that the emotional payoff from his death would be undercut by doing that, and that was going to be so powerful and wonderful... until they pulled resources from it."

[coldwetn0se]

No offense to your source @Visii, but WTH! Not one good reason for it, any of it, IMO. Thank you for giving us that report, and again, excellent job posting such a thorough message to BW.

I think I may have just lost hope.

[Cosmochyck]

coldwetn0se wrote...

No offense to your source @Visii, but WTH! Not one good reason for it, any of it, IMO. Thank you for giving us that report, and again, excellent job posting such a thorough message to BW.

I think I may have just lost hope.

It's ok!  Kasumi's bar & grill never closes

Whiskey then??

(ok it's not ok, not ever will it be ok but at least her bar is ALWAYS open, and everyone knows our name)

[Visii]

coldwetn0se wrote...

No offense to your source @Visii, but WTH! Not one good reason for it, any of it, IMO. Thank you for giving us that report, and again, excellent job posting such a thorough message to BW.

I think I may have just lost hope.

Here's the thing though;

>_>  

It can be fixed. No really, it can. In fact, unfortunately, it would probably be easier to ressurect Thane and give us a proper romance than it would be to untangle that Jacob debacle...

[coldwetn0se]

Cosmochyck wrote...

coldwetn0se wrote...

No offense to your source @Visii, but WTH! Not one good reason for it, any of it, IMO. Thank you for giving us that report, and again, excellent job posting such a thorough message to BW.

I think I may have just lost hope.

It's ok!  Kasumi's bar & grill never closes

Whiskey then??

(ok it's not ok, not ever will it be ok but at least her bar is ALWAYS open, and everyone knows our name)

*Grabs bottle of Buffalo Trace off the shelf*
Kasumi- "Hey Shep, let me get you a glass---"
Shepard - "Nope.  Immm a biggyrl.  Drink fromda bigbottle.
Garrus- "Why couldn't you have just moved outta the friendzone with me, Shep.  We could go on a date and shoot     
               things off one of the Skyway bridges at the Citadel"
Shepard- "Pppppbbbtttt.......Im notgoing back to that stupid place again.  Crucibibble be damnned!  Leave me be,
                 Jimminy...go smex up Tali.  Sheeshshsh.  *drool*
Thane in Hallucination form- "Siha, you need to fight.  The galaxy needs you.  You are not meant to cross the sea yet."
Shepard- "Tell that to ssomme guy, who sayz I have to say some reallyreally stupid thingss, then just forget about you!
                 NOT happening Kermit!  Passs methe peanuts, pretty."
Kasumi- "Hmmmmm, Samara maybe you can distract her with your "Eternity" thing you do.  That way we can at least
                get her into bed."
Samara- "I believe she has already embraced Eternity, if that conversation with the wall she just had is anything to go by.

[Visii]

Come on guys, don't give up...

[coldwetn0se]

Visii wrote...

coldwetn0se wrote...

No offense to your source @Visii, but WTH! Not one good reason for it, any of it, IMO. Thank you for giving us that report, and again, excellent job posting such a thorough message to BW.

I think I may have just lost hope.

Here's the thing though;

>_>  

It can be fixed. No really, it can. In fact, unfortunately, it would probably be easier to ressurect Thane and give us a proper romance than it would be to untangle that Jacob debacle...

I will continue to support for change, Thane's character is worth it, just feeling a bit brow beaten.....and you are right about Jacob.  Such a waste.

[Cosmochyck]

coldwetn0se wrote...

Cosmochyck wrote...

coldwetn0se wrote...

No offense to your source @Visii, but WTH! Not one good reason for it, any of it, IMO. Thank you for giving us that report, and again, excellent job posting such a thorough message to BW.

I think I may have just lost hope.

It's ok!  Kasumi's bar & grill never closes

Whiskey then??

(ok it's not ok, not ever will it be ok but at least her bar is ALWAYS open, and everyone knows our name)

*Grabs bottle of Buffalo Trace off the shelf*
Kasumi- "Hey Shep, let me get you a glass---"
Shepard - "Nope.  Immm a biggyrl.  Drink fromda bigbottle.
Garrus- "Why couldn't you have just moved outta the friendzone with me, Shep.  We could go on a date and shoot     
               things off one of the Skyway bridges at the Citadel"
Shepard- "Pppppbbbtttt.......Im notgoing back to that stupid place again.  Crucibibble be damnned!  Leave me be,
                 Jimminy...go smex up Tali.  Sheeshshsh.  *drool*
Thane in Hallucination form- "Siha, you need to fight.  The galaxy needs you.  You are not meant to cross the sea yet."
Shepard- "Tell that to ssomme guy, who sayz I have to say some reallyreally stupid thingss, then just forget about you!
                 NOT happening Kermit!  Passs methe peanuts, pretty."
Kasumi- "Hmmmmm, Samara maybe you can distract her with your "Eternity" thing you do.  That way we can at least
                get her into bed."
Samara- "I believe she has already embraced Eternity, if that conversation with the wall she just had is anything to go by.

Ok that is FANTASTIC!!  I laughed - in fact I'm still laughing.    and if anyone else wants ANOTHER laugh, check this out - I laughed til I almost cried.  So lame.  Just make sure you've played to the end of the game.

Thane is worth keeping hope and fighting for - I've sent Jessica Merizan a PM, as well as two tweets!  I'm trying to get our message across any way I can.  I'm sure some day soon I'll be banned from the internet <_<

[coldwetn0se]

So I have decided to continue the adventures of Perpetually Drunk Shepard. Anyone who wishes to participate is welcome. I do this in the spirit of @Saren and her lovely Carson, Saren, Natalie, TIM and of course Thane! Encouraging all fun dialogue from any so inclined. We need to laugh to balance out our tears.

*EDIT*

HA!  Marauder Shields for the WIN!

Modifié par coldwetn0se, 17 mars 2012 - 10:01 .

[Visii]

Everybody tweet till your fingers fall off! An onslaught can't fail in at least getting a reaction!