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[IndigoWolfe]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

kolyat gets shot and is dying as well but his lungs are still functioning, kolyat knows that he won't make it and then begs shepard to transplant his lungs to thane.
then it's up to shepard to either agree or refuse.

Oh... oh, I like this one!

[wildannie]

Nice wallpaper 5iha! ... I like redecorating.

[Fata Morgana]

Ok, listening to the Bioware panel from SDCC, they actually do say, "if someone was able to survive your playthrough of ME1 & 2, then they will appear in 3 in some form." I do wonder if the "involvement" of Thane will be a death scene. I personally am fine with that, as long as it's written well.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Well, by the time ME3 starts it is time to save Thane! If it was just Thane and Shepard in game, then this would make for an epic game: Thane bails Shepard out of jail, Shepard somehow cures Thane, then Thane takes down Kai Leng in an epic showdown to save Shepard

Also, used that first wallpaper 51ha, thanks as always!!!

[wildannie]

Fata Morgana wrote...

Ok, listening to the Bioware panel from SDCC, they actually do say, "if someone was able to survive your playthrough of ME1 & 2, then they will appear in 3 in some form." I do wonder if the "involvement" of Thane will be a death scene. I personally am fine with that, as long as it's written well.

If that's what we get I'll be raging!... absolutely raging.  I expect that *that* scene will only be one possible outcome for Thane  I really don't see them forcing it on all players as canon.

It might not be the best move for business either... If Thane's death is canon then I wouldn't be replaying the game or buying DLC... not because I'd be in the huff, but playing it would undoubtedly make me feel down.  I don't even let characters I couldn't care less about die in the suicide mission (except Grunt, Once) as it makes me feel bad .

maybe I'm just too soft... 

[Fata Morgana]

wildannie wrote...

Fata Morgana wrote...

Ok, listening to the Bioware panel from SDCC, they actually do say, "if someone was able to survive your playthrough of ME1 & 2, then they will appear in 3 in some form." I do wonder if the "involvement" of Thane will be a death scene. I personally am fine with that, as long as it's written well.

If that's what we get I'll be raging!... absolutely raging.  I expect that *that* scene will only be one possible outcome for Thane  I really don't see them forcing it on all players as canon.

It might not be the best move for business either... If Thane's death is canon then I wouldn't be replaying the game or buying DLC... not because I'd be in the huff, but playing it would undoubtedly make me feel down.  I don't even let characters I couldn't care less about die in the suicide mission (except Grunt, Once) as it makes me feel bad .

maybe I'm just too soft... 

Well, I mean... from the moment we met him, we knew he was dying. That's part of the poignant beauty of his character.  I feel it would be an insult to people who really do have terminal illnesses if Bioware just waves a magic wand and makes it all better - and an insult to the beautiful writing that went into Thane, too.

There's always the possibility that they'll magically cure him in 3. Count me among those who likes Thane too much for me to want that to happen.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I don't agree with a magical cure as you call it. I think that there are so many other options in the context of the Mass Effect universe that could happen to Thane:

Maybe reaper or collector technology could be used to extend his lifespan? Perhaps he is kept in cryo until a cure has been found? Or even, a choice could be made by Shepard to sabotage the information from the Lazarus project and choose one person to revive, which could be Thane.

This is 150 years in the future in a completely different universe. So Thane's fate isn't as simple as:
Cured or
Dead.

[Fata Morgana]

"Reaper technology" or "biotics" or any of the other in-universe magic wands are still magic wands. Waving any of them would reduce the impact and realism of the character, in my opinion.

[CheeseEnchilada]

Fata Morgana wrote...

Well, I mean... from the moment we met him, we knew he was dying. That's part of the poignant beauty of his character.  I feel it would be an insult to people who really do have terminal illnesses if Bioware just waves a magic wand and makes it all better - and an insult to the beautiful writing that went into Thane, too.

There's always the possibility that they'll magically cure him in 3. Count me among those who likes Thane too much for me to want that to happen.

Magically curing and using the lung transplant that has been hinted at are seperate options, and should be. Thane's one of my favorites, but I don't want a magical cure; even if it was done well, it would be hard to suspend my disbelief. 

On the other hand, are we really going to see one scene with Thane in the whole of ME3 where he dies? Doubtful, with all the work they put into him. 

I still maintain the lung transplant makes the most sense all around. From what we can gather, it would be little more than a band-aid, something to keep him going for a little longer; convince him to do it for Kolyat's sake, and he'll manage to limp through ME3. Fans get to see their favorite character around a little while longer, the tragic tone of his story hasn't been lessened, and it could lead to some wonderful character development. I'd love to see a scene where Shepard convinces Thane that he deserves a second chance, no matter how temporary.

If he dies and it's done well, I'll be sad but respect the writer's decision. However, I don't think it's a simple 'cure or die' matter, and I'd hope that's being taken into consideration.



@Nightcobra...ouch. Give Thane the lungs, and it's doubtful he'd talk to you again. You could keep a friend and teammate going, but at the cost of any relationship you had with him. Maybe a little dark for Mass Effect, but I like 

Modifié par CheeseEnchilada, 28 juillet 2011 - 08:59 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

In my point of view, Thane's character is not defined by Keprel's syndrome. It certainly impacts the situation when Shepard meets him, but before being diagnosed, he was a healthy assassin. And his profession as an assassin impacts upon his life the most. It is how he met his wife, how he gained a son, how he lost a wife, and how he lost his son (in an emotional way.)

As for realism, personally, I don't play a game for realism. I play a game to escape realism.

[Fata Morgana]

There's ways to keep him alive throughout 3, I'll grant you that. I just think there's more dramatic possibilities, and more glory for his character, if we get to see him die.

I'll tell you the idea I read that I liked the most, though. Someone on Tvtropes came up with the idea of having a mission where you play as Thane on his last mission, doing something that is guaranteed to cause his death, but which will save everyone else, thus allowing him to go out in a blaze of glory. I think that would be incredibly badass.

Edit: It took me a while to find it: http://tvtropes.org/...WMG/MassEffect3

Even better: you're protecting a weakened Thane who wants to go out with one last big bang before his sickness takes him.

• This would be much better. More like the final mission for Halo: Reach than anything. You know he's going to die, you know there's no chance of ultimate survival, you're just trying to make his end as glorious and deserving as possible. Or maybe you even play from Thane's perspective, like the Joker mission in ME2. You are Thane in his last standoff, to protect the shuttle which is taking the rest of the team to safety, and when the shuttle is finally gone, you at last die, glorious. Dammit, now if that mission isn't in the game I'm going to be depressed

Modifié par Fata Morgana, 28 juillet 2011 - 09:10 .

[wildannie]

 @Fata Morgana ME is a game not a lesson on the realities of life, Shepard was brought back from the dead, we are in the realms of the impossible in the ME universe

It could be seen as insulting to people who really have a terminal illness that many see Thane's illness as his defining feature, rather than looking deeper.   I certainly find it an extremely tiresome viewpoint.  

I agree that death should be one possible outcome, the other should be a cure.

edit: the more options the better

don't like the TVtropes idea one bit!

Modifié par wildannie, 28 juillet 2011 - 09:12 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

The ending of Halo Reach did give me goosebumps. But that was being killed by overwhelming odds rather than dying due to an illness.

I agree that it could be an incredibly powerful scene, and I understand that there are those that can see Thane's death as the only direction in which is future can go.

But there is still hope that, as Wildannie said, there can be many other possible outcomes in a universe where 'meat and tubes' can be brought back to life. Where sentient machines can be created, and where ships can travel almost instantaneously across the galaxy.

[Artanisia]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...
As for realism, personally, I don't play a game for realism. I play a game to escape realism..

I always find it extremely ironic when people pull the realism card in a game that features aliens and pretty improbable tech. REALLY?!

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Artanisia wrote...

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...
As for realism, personally, I don't play a game for realism. I play a game to escape realism..

I always find it extremely ironic when people pull the realism card in a game that features aliens and pretty improbable tech. REALLY?!

Exactly. Glad to find a like-minded person .

[CheeseEnchilada]

Fata Morgana wrote...

There's ways to keep him alive throughout 3, I'll grant you that. I just think there's more dramatic possibilities, and more glory for his character, if we get to see him die.

I'll tell you the idea I read that I liked the most, though. Someone on Tvtropes came up with the idea of having a mission where you play as Thane on his last mission, doing something that is guaranteed to cause his death, but which will save everyone else, thus allowing him to go out in a blaze of glory. I think that would be incredibly badass.

And I do respect that; as much as it would hurt, seeing Thane go out in a blaze of glory like that, especially in that example, would be very cool and fitting for the character.

When it comes down to it, there's a lot of things they could do with him, and I just hope it isn't railroaded. Why wouldn't a romanced Shepard bring up the lung transplant? Why would a disloyal Thane accept the transplant in the first place? Would Thane stick to his martyrdom and insist on sacrificing himself, even if it wasn't necessary and he now has something to live for?

Thane's fate is always difficult for me to think about because you brought up a good point earlier: his illness is a rather big part of him, and it is realistic for him to die. While Kepral's doesn't define him, you can't exactly get around the fact that he's terminal. Him dying could be a very touching moment, and rather close to the heart--but at the same time, that's the issue. I've lost many people close to me; do I really want to see the same thing happen in a video game, something I use as escapism?

In the end, I've got to go with wildannie here--the more options we get, the better. It's the last game, so why don't they go all out? Let him flip off my xenophobic Shepard, sacrifice himself for a friend and get a transplant for a lover. Everyone can have an ending that fits them.

...And while we're on the topic of more options, where's my romancable Feron? Bioware, if you kill Thane off, you owe me a drell. Remember that 

Modifié par CheeseEnchilada, 28 juillet 2011 - 09:22 .

[Fata Morgana]

Artanisia wrote...

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...
As for realism, personally, I don't play a game for realism. I play a game to escape realism..

I always find it extremely ironic when people pull the realism card in a game that features aliens and pretty improbable tech. REALLY?!

I'm only employing the 'realism' card here in terms of character. One of the things Bioware is very, very good at is making realistic characters, character you care for - and you care for them because they have dimensions.

Even though illness and the curing of it is in the realm of scientific advancement, and so plot magic should be able to take care of it, it's a disservice to the character.  If it comes from Thane's mouth that the greatest minds available are already working on a cure, but haven't discovered it, then having a cure be discovered in 3 takes away from what has already been written.

It's like... all this time it's been built up what a threat the reapers are; if in 3, all you have to do is press a button to get rid of the reapers, like flushing a toilet, well, that's bad writing. Saying "It's a fantasy world where anything can happen!" doesn't make it any less bad writing.

[wildannie]

 @Fata Morgana
isn't it the greatest *Hanar* minds that are working on a cure??? How 'great' are they exactly?  If he'd said the greatest Salarian minds then that would be different.   The hanar appear to be large jellyfish, they're not on the council and don't even have opposable thumbs... I imagine there are many more capable hands in the universe where a treatment/cure might come from.  

What about the transplant?  we *know* that he's a viable candidate and meeting Shepard gives Thane a reason to want to live on, one that he'd lost prior to their friendship.

edit:  I'd class bioware characters as likeable and believable within their game universe, not realistic.

it would be a disservice to Thane's character, and players, to have a unchangable outcome to his story arc.

Modifié par wildannie, 28 juillet 2011 - 09:45 .

[nightcobra]

Fata Morgana wrote...

Artanisia wrote...

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...
As for realism, personally, I don't play a game for realism. I play a game to escape realism..

I always find it extremely ironic when people pull the realism card in a game that features aliens and pretty improbable tech. REALLY?!

I'm only employing the 'realism' card here in terms of character. One of the things Bioware is very, very good at is making realistic characters, character you care for - and you care for them because they have dimensions.

Even though illness and the curing of it is in the realm of scientific advancement, and so plot magic should be able to take care of it, it's a disservice to the character.  If it comes from Thane's mouth that the greatest minds available are already working on a cure, but haven't discovered it, then having a cure be discovered in 3 takes away from what has already been written.

It's like... all this time it's been built up what a threat the reapers are; if in 3, all you have to do is press a button to get rid of the reapers, like flushing a toilet, well, that's bad writing. Saying "It's a fantasy world where anything can happen!" doesn't make it any less bad writing.

if i remember correctly mordin was researching the collectors sample tissues and saw how their biology/technology worked. i'd say he could replace thane's lungs by replacing it....with tech:P
legion or tali would have to help in building the artificial lungs.


at least the protheans downfall would serve for something.

[Fata Morgana]

wildannie wrote...

 @Fata Morgana
isn't it the greatest *Hanar* minds that are working on a cure??? How 'great' are they exactly?  If he'd said the greatest Salarian minds then that would be different.   The hanar appear to be large jellyfish, they're not on the council and don't even have opposable thumbs... I imagine there are many more capable hands in the universe where a treatment/cure might come from.  

Racist!

[wildannie]

Fata Morgana wrote...

wildannie wrote...

 @Fata Morgana
isn't it the greatest *Hanar* minds that are working on a cure??? How 'great' are they exactly?  If he'd said the greatest Salarian minds then that would be different.   The hanar appear to be large jellyfish, they're not on the council and don't even have opposable thumbs... I imagine there are many more capable hands in the universe where a treatment/cure might come from.  

Racist!

 are they not big jellyfish?  I think what I said is quite reasonable 

[Fata Morgana]

wildannie wrote...

Fata Morgana wrote...

wildannie wrote...

 @Fata Morgana
isn't it the greatest *Hanar* minds that are working on a cure??? How 'great' are they exactly?  If he'd said the greatest Salarian minds then that would be different.   The hanar appear to be large jellyfish, they're not on the council and don't even have opposable thumbs... I imagine there are many more capable hands in the universe where a treatment/cure might come from.  

Racist!

 are they not big jellyfish?  I think what I said is quite reasonable 

"Jellyfish" is a deeply offensive slur to the Hanar people. I'm pretty sure Thane would be offended if you ever used that term in his presense.

[wildannie]

Fata Morgana wrote...

wildannie wrote...

Fata Morgana wrote...

wildannie wrote...

 @Fata Morgana
isn't it the greatest *Hanar* minds that are working on a cure??? How 'great' are they exactly?  If he'd said the greatest Salarian minds then that would be different.   The hanar appear to be large jellyfish, they're not on the council and don't even have opposable thumbs... I imagine there are many more capable hands in the universe where a treatment/cure might come from.  

Racist!

 are they not big jellyfish?  I think what I said is quite reasonable 

"Jellyfish" is a deeply offensive slur to the Hanar people. I'm pretty sure Thane would be offended if you ever used that term in his presense.

Lucky I've never met him then, Shepard would never say such a thing!   

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Fata Morgana wrote...

"Jellyfish" is a deeply offensive slur to the Hanar people. I'm pretty sure Thane would be offended if you ever used that term in his presense.

Would 'tentacled gummy bears' be more appropriate?