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[Cyansomnia]

*mind goes off to all kinds of dirty places* *evil snicker*

@utaker1988 and mnomaha

That just made my day.


My sexy drell foot.  In your face.  Now go back to the anime where you belong.

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 26 mars 2012 - 08:43 .

[Akaneryuu]

utaker1988 wrote...

Oh dear, I just reread what I wrote and it was intended to be innocent, I can see where it could go wrong. I even left off the part about how I licked him at first to get the butter off just so that I wouldn't seem weird, freakish, or dirty. No, I didn't get hallucinations..bummer. But I did have some really out there thoughts, I'm just glad the only set of eyes that saw me doing this was my cat.

writing innocent post , you are doing it wrong  well it's not a problem anyway so..why not continue 

[utaker1988]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

*mind goes off to all kinds of dirty places* *evil snicker*

@utaker1988 and mnomaha

That just made my day.


My sexy drell foot.  In your face.  Now go back to the anime where you belong.

This is the moment where I am glad that I'm not on the receiving end of that foot.  I can see it now.  Oh, Thane has flexibility, oh my, the view, oh my....Critical Mission Failure.  Dang it, Reload, this time I'm going too...oh my, I'm glad he's not wearing shorts and going commando...Critical Mission Failure.  Noooo... Reload...must focus, errr, ahhhhh,  squeeeeeeeee....Critical Mission Failure.  Oh F' this, I submit...Thane you are my master. 

[Julia_xo]

Visii wrote...
It was nice to hear, but...

I'd rather Thane alive and telling my Shep he loves her, as opposed to a post-mortem declaration that we've all heard and read before.

We're in agreement there. I would have loved to hear Thane say he loved Shepard in-game and for her to be able to say it back to him. If DLC to save him and fix the romance is released I will buy it in a heartbeat!

I've always thought the LotSB letter was well-written. I could believe it was something Thane would write to Shepard. When I found out Chris (Thane's writer) left BioWare I was worried about how Thane would be written in ME3 but the letter gave me hope the new writer(s) would get it right. Sadly, they didn't. What went wrong, I wonder?

In my opinion, the letter contradicts ME3Thane's attitude in the hospital. In the letter he says he wants to stay by Shepard's side and protect her with everything he is and in the hospital he's like "I think about us often but we always knew it would end. Bye" The letter is definitely more reflective of ME2 Thane as a whole.

Sadly, I think the devs just reused it because they didn't want to bother writing new content for Thane, which makes me sad.

I will always love the letter though and I'm glad someone was nice enough to give voice to it. <3

[JECW]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

*mind goes off to all kinds of dirty places* *evil snicker*

@utaker1988 and mnomaha

That just made my day.


My sexy drell foot.  In your face.  Now go back to the anime where you belong.

This made my day Aislinn.
Your other one of Shepard stabbing Kai Leng with her omni bade is my favorite.
Kai Leng does remind me a bit of something from anime.

[JECW]

Julia_xo wrote...

Visii wrote...
It was nice to hear, but...

I'd rather Thane alive and telling my Shep he loves her, as opposed to a post-mortem declaration that we've all heard and read before.

We're in agreement there. I would have loved to hear Thane say he loved Shepard in-game and for her to be able to say it back to him. If DLC to save him and fix the romance is released I will buy it in a heartbeat!

I've always thought the LotSB letter was well-written. I could believe it was something Thane would write to Shepard. When I found out Chris (Thane's writer) left BioWare I was worried about how Thane would be written in ME3 but the letter gave me hope the new writer(s) would get it right. Sadly, they didn't. What went wrong, I wonder?

In my opinion, the letter contradicts ME3Thane's attitude in the hospital. In the letter he says he wants to stay by Shepard's side and protect her with everything he is and in the hospital he's like "I think about us often but we always knew it would end. Bye" The letter is definitely more reflective of ME2 Thane as a whole.

Sadly, I think the devs just reused it because they didn't want to bother writing new content for Thane, which makes me sad.

I will always love the letter though and I'm glad someone was nice enough to give voice to it. <3

I agree.
Doesn't Shepard say I love you to the other LI's? Is Thane the only one who doesn't hear it?

[coldwetn0se]

Julia_xo wrote...

Visii wrote...
It was nice to hear, but...

I'd rather Thane alive and telling my Shep he loves her, as opposed to a post-mortem declaration that we've all heard and read before.

We're in agreement there. I would have loved to hear Thane say he loved Shepard in-game and for her to be able to say it back to him. If DLC to save him and fix the romance is released I will buy it in a heartbeat!

I've always thought the LotSB letter was well-written. I could believe it was something Thane would write to Shepard. When I found out Chris (Thane's writer) left BioWare I was worried about how Thane would be written in ME3 but the letter gave me hope the new writer(s) would get it right. Sadly, they didn't. What went wrong, I wonder?

In my opinion, the letter contradicts ME3Thane's attitude in the hospital. In the letter he says he wants to stay by Shepard's side and protect her with everything he is and in the hospital he's like "I think about us often but we always knew it would end. Bye" The letter is definitely more reflective of ME2 Thane as a whole.

Sadly, I think the devs just reused it because they didn't want to bother writing new content for Thane, which makes me sad.

I will always love the letter though and I'm glad someone was nice enough to give voice to it. <3

These are my thoughts as well.  I swear I'm not trying to attention hog ("look at me, look at me..."), but on the last page, after @XmikachuX gave us the Thane letter audio file, I wrote about my ideas on the LotSB letter.  Would love to know what you are any others thoughts.

[wildannie]

coldwetn0se wrote...

Sorry for this, but the gloves are coming off for a moment.  Listening (and reading) that letter makes me need to express how crappy receiving that letter again in me3 really is.  The following is MY interpretation of the Thane letter from LotSB:

1) You can view the letter on Liara's ship right after the SM.  I always go straight to her ship after the SM, not only for the letter, but also for the investments and to check out new vids.  This to me says that he wrote that letter either right before or right after their romance scene.  Personally, I always saw him writing it BEFORE the coupling, and THAT is why he walks in to Shep's loft and becomes so emotional.  The letter prompted him to express his feelings, and once he did, he realized how much he wanted to live.  Time wise and emotion wise (IMO) it makes sense. Let's never forget, they did call the last mission the "Suicide Mission".....good enough reason to write down your thoughts for a loved one should the worse happen.

2) Because (to me) there can be no way that this was written during the six month separation (or after she sees him again, based on the fact that you see the letter in ME2 first), it really reflects moreso on the SM than on the Kepral's.....(and yes, I realize it ALSO is reflecting on the fact he has a terminal illness, but.....)  Giving us this letter again was poorly done.  EVEN for those that didn't see it (and I'm sorry, but I suspect that most Thanemancers have seen this letter BEFORE me3), it still is a reflection over something past.

3) This also makes me think that perhaps they assumed for us Thane-fanatics, that they were doing us a favor (in RETROSPECT) by foreshadowing his death.  But.....again, this doesn't fit with context to me.  And, well, it feels like a cope out.  As if they looked at the storyboard for me3 and said.....'hmmmm we need some more cowbell...errr....ANGST....Thane!  He'll do just fine.' <toss of the island>.

Alright.  Enough of my rant.  Actually, it was much tamer than how I formed it in my head....(lots of cussing and colorful phrasing......)

well said,  I absolutely agree that Thane's letter is composed around the time of the suicide mission and I don't think any of my shepards would have let it slide, they'd have dropped liara in it and spoken to Thane about it...
if that was them trying to foreshadow his death it was VERY poorly done.   I'm always quite tame here, while off the internet I've been known to use language would make a sailor blush ... the things I've been calling BW!!!

[coldwetn0se]

wildannie wrote...

coldwetn0se wrote...

Sorry for this, but the gloves are coming off for a moment.  Listening (and reading) that letter makes me need to express how crappy receiving that letter again in me3 really is.  The following is MY interpretation of the Thane letter from LotSB:

1) You can view the letter on Liara's ship right after the SM.  I always go straight to her ship after the SM, not only for the letter, but also for the investments and to check out new vids.  This to me says that he wrote that letter either right before or right after their romance scene.  Personally, I always saw him writing it BEFORE the coupling, and THAT is why he walks in to Shep's loft and becomes so emotional.  The letter prompted him to express his feelings, and once he did, he realized how much he wanted to live.  Time wise and emotion wise (IMO) it makes sense. Let's never forget, they did call the last mission the "Suicide Mission".....good enough reason to write down your thoughts for a loved one should the worse happen.

2) Because (to me) there can be no way that this was written during the six month separation (or after she sees him again, based on the fact that you see the letter in ME2 first), it really reflects moreso on the SM than on the Kepral's.....(and yes, I realize it ALSO is reflecting on the fact he has a terminal illness, but.....)  Giving us this letter again was poorly done.  EVEN for those that didn't see it (and I'm sorry, but I suspect that most Thanemancers have seen this letter BEFORE me3), it still is a reflection over something past.

3) This also makes me think that perhaps they assumed for us Thane-fanatics, that they were doing us a favor (in RETROSPECT) by foreshadowing his death.  But.....again, this doesn't fit with context to me.  And, well, it feels like a cop out.  As if they looked at the storyboard for me3 and said.....'hmmmm we need some more cowbell...errr....ANGST....Thane!  He'll do just fine.' <toss off the island>.

Alright.  Enough of my rant.  Actually, it was much tamer than how I formed it in my head....(lots of cussing and colorful phrasing......)

well said,  I absolutely agree that Thane's letter is composed around the time of the suicide mission and I don't think any of my shepards would have let it slide, they'd have dropped liara in it and spoken to Thane about it...
if that was them trying to foreshadow his death it was VERY poorly done.   I'm always quite tame here, while off the internet I've been known to use language would make a sailor blush ... the things I've been calling BW!!!

Exactly.....my Shepards would have approached him as well!  I even imagine that he would even be slightly bemused, after a serious discussion of course.....cheeky lil' Siha, spying on her lover.

Go sista!  Let the four letter words fly for bw!  It's just a release after all...

[utaker1988]

coldwetn0se wrote...

wildannie wrote...

coldwetn0se wrote...

Sorry for this, but the gloves are coming off for a moment.  Listening (and reading) that letter makes me need to express how crappy receiving that letter again in me3 really is.  The following is MY interpretation of the Thane letter from LotSB:

1) You can view the letter on Liara's ship right after the SM.  I always go straight to her ship after the SM, not only for the letter, but also for the investments and to check out new vids.  This to me says that he wrote that letter either right before or right after their romance scene.  Personally, I always saw him writing it BEFORE the coupling, and THAT is why he walks in to Shep's loft and becomes so emotional.  The letter prompted him to express his feelings, and once he did, he realized how much he wanted to live.  Time wise and emotion wise (IMO) it makes sense. Let's never forget, they did call the last mission the "Suicide Mission".....good enough reason to write down your thoughts for a loved one should the worse happen.

2) Because (to me) there can be no way that this was written during the six month separation (or after she sees him again, based on the fact that you see the letter in ME2 first), it really reflects moreso on the SM than on the Kepral's.....(and yes, I realize it ALSO is reflecting on the fact he has a terminal illness, but.....)  Giving us this letter again was poorly done.  EVEN for those that didn't see it (and I'm sorry, but I suspect that most Thanemancers have seen this letter BEFORE me3), it still is a reflection over something past.

3) This also makes me think that perhaps they assumed for us Thane-fanatics, that they were doing us a favor (in RETROSPECT) by foreshadowing his death.  But.....again, this doesn't fit with context to me.  And, well, it feels like a cop out.  As if they looked at the storyboard for me3 and said.....'hmmmm we need some more cowbell...errr....ANGST....Thane!  He'll do just fine.' <toss off the island>.

Alright.  Enough of my rant.  Actually, it was much tamer than how I formed it in my head....(lots of cussing and colorful phrasing......)

well said,  I absolutely agree that Thane's letter is composed around the time of the suicide mission and I don't think any of my shepards would have let it slide, they'd have dropped liara in it and spoken to Thane about it...
if that was them trying to foreshadow his death it was VERY poorly done.   I'm always quite tame here, while off the internet I've been known to use language would make a sailor blush ... the things I've been calling BW!!!

Exactly.....my Shepards would have approached him as well!  I even imagine that he would even be slightly bemused, after a serious discussion of course.....cheeky lil' Siha, spying on her lover.

Go sista!  Let the four letter words fly for bw!  It's just a release after all...

Well said, very well said.  I always sat here and wondered if given the option if my Shep would really tell him she saw it.  On one hand, she'd be afraid that he'd scold her for being snoopy and then she'd cry.  On the other hand, she knew it was purely accidental that she saw it and would feel like a giant ass keeping it from him.  In the end, I think she'd tell him, well mine would.  

Yes, after seeing the letter for the first time, a light bulb clicked on in my head and said, "hmmmm, he must have written that and then headed up to Shep's cabin"  He needed to tell her about his inner turmoil about dying, his feelings, written words are great but he figured she needed to hear it from his lips.  That scene, in the room, made me cry the first time I saw it.  It was filled with such real, raw emotion I could tell what was being said without the words.  Too bad it wasn't there in 3.

[coldwetn0se]

utaker1988 wrote...

coldwetn0se wrote...

wildannie wrote...

coldwetn0se wrote...

Sorry for this, but the gloves are coming off for a moment.  Listening (and reading) that letter makes me need to express how crappy receiving that letter again in me3 really is.  The following is MY interpretation of the Thane letter from LotSB:

1) You can view the letter on Liara's ship right after the SM.  I always go straight to her ship after the SM, not only for the letter, but also for the investments and to check out new vids.  This to me says that he wrote that letter either right before or right after their romance scene.  Personally, I always saw him writing it BEFORE the coupling, and THAT is why he walks in to Shep's loft and becomes so emotional.  The letter prompted him to express his feelings, and once he did, he realized how much he wanted to live.  Time wise and emotion wise (IMO) it makes sense. Let's never forget, they did call the last mission the "Suicide Mission".....good enough reason to write down your thoughts for a loved one should the worse happen.

2) Because (to me) there can be no way that this was written during the six month separation (or after she sees him again, based on the fact that you see the letter in ME2 first), it really reflects moreso on the SM than on the Kepral's.....(and yes, I realize it ALSO is reflecting on the fact he has a terminal illness, but.....)  Giving us this letter again was poorly done.  EVEN for those that didn't see it (and I'm sorry, but I suspect that most Thanemancers have seen this letter BEFORE me3), it still is a reflection over something past.

3) This also makes me think that perhaps they assumed for us Thane-fanatics, that they were doing us a favor (in RETROSPECT) by foreshadowing his death.  But.....again, this doesn't fit with context to me.  And, well, it feels like a cop out.  As if they looked at the storyboard for me3 and said.....'hmmmm we need some more cowbell...errr....ANGST....Thane!  He'll do just fine.' <toss off the island>.

Alright.  Enough of my rant.  Actually, it was much tamer than how I formed it in my head....(lots of cussing and colorful phrasing......)

well said,  I absolutely agree that Thane's letter is composed around the time of the suicide mission and I don't think any of my shepards would have let it slide, they'd have dropped liara in it and spoken to Thane about it...
if that was them trying to foreshadow his death it was VERY poorly done.   I'm always quite tame here, while off the internet I've been known to use language would make a sailor blush ... the things I've been calling BW!!!

Exactly.....my Shepards would have approached him as well!  I even imagine that he would even be slightly bemused, after a serious discussion of course.....cheeky lil' Siha, spying on her lover.

Go sista!  Let the four letter words fly for bw!  It's just a release after all...

Well said, very well said.  I always sat here and wondered if given the option if my Shep would really tell him she saw it.  On one hand, she'd be afraid that he'd scold her for being snoopy and then she'd cry.  On the other hand, she knew it was purely accidental that she saw it and would feel like a giant ass keeping it from him.  In the end, I think she'd tell him, well mine would.  

Yes, after seeing the letter for the first time, a light bulb clicked on in my head and said, "hmmmm, he must have written that and then headed up to Shep's cabin"  He needed to tell her about his inner turmoil about dying, his feelings, written words are great but he figured she needed to hear it from his lips.  That scene, in the room, made me cry the first time I saw it.  It was filled with such real, raw emotion I could tell what was being said without the words.  Too bad it wasn't there in 3.

That's it exactly.  That is why I always saw that as being written before the romance scene.  I know that if I was about to go on a death defying mission, and was writing down my  thoughts and feelings I would probably end up an emotional mess, just like Thane.  It makes sense to me......this is also why it is, IMHO, out of place to be sent in me3.

[Kaija]

I agree, I was so disappointed Shepard has no dialogue to tell Thane she loves him or hear him say it. And yes, it's true, the reactions are so off from what you would expect from their ME2 romance. In all the scenes in ME3 I was extremely frustrated with the way Shepard fails to respond in a way that is consistent with the romance. I'm astounded at the lack of thought and consideration Bioware put into it. It was devastating enough without it being that cold and unemotional.

[Julia_xo]

coldwetn0se wrote...
Sorry for this, but the gloves are coming off for a moment.  Listening (and reading) that letter makes me need to express how crappy receiving that letter again in me3 really is.  The following is MY interpretation of the Thane letter from LotSB:

1) You can view the letter on Liara's ship right after the SM.  I always go straight to her ship after the SM, not only for the letter, but also for the investments and to check out new vids.  This to me says that he wrote that letter either right before or right after their romance scene.  Personally, I always saw him writing it BEFORE the coupling, and THAT is why he walks in to Shep's loft and becomes so emotional.  The letter prompted him to express his feelings, and once he did, he realized how much he wanted to live.  Time wise and emotion wise (IMO) it makes sense. Let's never forget, they did call the last mission the "Suicide Mission".....good enough reason to write down your thoughts for a loved one should the worse happen.

2) Because (to me) there can be no way that this was written during the six month separation (or after she sees him again, based on the fact that you see the letter in ME2 first), it really reflects moreso on the SM than on the Kepral's.....(and yes, I realize it ALSO is reflecting on the fact he has a terminal illness, but.....)  Giving us this letter again was poorly done.  EVEN for those that didn't see it (and I'm sorry, but I suspect that most Thanemancers have seen this letter BEFORE me3), it still is a reflection over something past.

3) This also makes me think that perhaps they assumed for us Thane-fanatics, that they were doing us a favor (in RETROSPECT) by foreshadowing his death.  But.....again, this doesn't fit with context to me.  And, well, it feels like a cope out.  As if they looked at the storyboard for me3 and said.....'hmmmm we need some more cowbell...errr....ANGST....Thane!  He'll do just fine.' <toss of the island>.

Alright.  Enough of my rant.  Actually, it was much tamer than how I formed it in my head....(lots of cussing and colorful phrasing......)

Well said! I really like your idea that his writing the letter was the impetus to going up to Shepard's cabin before the Omega-4 Relay. He was obviously thinking it all through and he knew it was a possibility that any of them could die during the mission. I think the letter seems out of place in ME3 largely because Thane has done a 180 since ME2, courtesy of the writers. :/

I don't think it was ever foreshadowing though because at the same time you access the letter, you also access his medical report which states he's eligible for the lung transplant. I think the writers gave themselves room for either outcome because at the time I don't think they had decided on whether or not they would kill him.

They should have given players a choice though. It's really unfair that Thane is the only LI that cant be saved, no matter what. It makes no sense either because it ignores the fact that he had an option available to him. We're not even given the chance to ask about it in ME3.

[coldwetn0se]

Julia_xo wrote...

coldwetn0se wrote...
Sorry for this, but the gloves are coming off for a moment.  Listening (and reading) that letter makes me need to express how crappy receiving that letter again in me3 really is.  The following is MY interpretation of the Thane letter from LotSB:

1) You can view the letter on Liara's ship right after the SM.  I always go straight to her ship after the SM, not only for the letter, but also for the investments and to check out new vids.  This to me says that he wrote that letter either right before or right after their romance scene.  Personally, I always saw him writing it BEFORE the coupling, and THAT is why he walks in to Shep's loft and becomes so emotional.  The letter prompted him to express his feelings, and once he did, he realized how much he wanted to live.  Time wise and emotion wise (IMO) it makes sense. Let's never forget, they did call the last mission the "Suicide Mission".....good enough reason to write down your thoughts for a loved one should the worse happen.

2) Because (to me) there can be no way that this was written during the six month separation (or after she sees him again, based on the fact that you see the letter in ME2 first), it really reflects moreso on the SM than on the Kepral's.....(and yes, I realize it ALSO is reflecting on the fact he has a terminal illness, but.....)  Giving us this letter again was poorly done.  EVEN for those that didn't see it (and I'm sorry, but I suspect that most Thanemancers have seen this letter BEFORE me3), it still is a reflection over something past.

3) This also makes me think that perhaps they assumed for us Thane-fanatics, that they were doing us a favor (in RETROSPECT) by foreshadowing his death.  But.....again, this doesn't fit with context to me.  And, well, it feels like a cope out.  As if they looked at the storyboard for me3 and said.....'hmmmm we need some more cowbell...errr....ANGST....Thane!  He'll do just fine.' <toss of the island>.

Alright.  Enough of my rant.  Actually, it was much tamer than how I formed it in my head....(lots of cussing and colorful phrasing......)

Well said! I really like your idea that his writing the letter was the impetus to going up to Shepard's cabin before the Omega-4 Relay. He was obviously thinking it all through and he knew it was a possibility that any of them could die during the mission. I think the letter seems out of place in ME3 largely because Thane has done a 180 since ME2, courtesy of the writers. :/

I don't think it was ever foreshadowing though because at the same time you access the letter, you also access his medical report which states he's eligible for the lung transplant. I think the writers gave themselves room for either outcome because at the time I don't think they had decided on whether or not they would kill him.

They should have given players a choice though. It's really unfair that Thane is the only LI that cant be saved, no matter what. It makes no sense either because it ignores the fact that he had an option available to him. We're not even given the chance to ask about it in ME3.

Bolded.  Exactly....I used the term foreshadowing (which is probably not well used), because the foreshadowing then becomes in RETROSPECT in me3......silly bw!  You are also right that this really was a way to keep his life/death up in the air.  Does make me wonder if Thane's original writer was leaving around the time that LotSB was being finished up........QUICK, find my a copy of 'Catcher in the Rye'!!

[Eliza]

I just watched the Kai Leng fight scene on the Citadel again and I just banged my head on the desk when Kai Leng is down on the floor for seconds and nobody give him the final shot - just standing around like fools who did not expect that this guy will get up on his feet again. I cried out loud: Oh my god, Shep, did you never saw a Hollywood movie on TV? The bad guy always gets up on his feet again! That's a must!
And the worse things is the same happens again when Shep fights KL on the cerberus base. Again nobody approaches KL to see if he is really dead. I wish there would have be a Krogran in the team because I am pretty sure a Krogan would make sure these little bastard is really dead by giving him an extra shot.

[Ariaya]

I have so many issues with the ME3 Thane romance. What follows is my constructive criticism.

First of all, I found Thane to be out of character. He was very different from the Thane we met in ME2. In ME2 Thane's love for Shepard took him out of his "battle sleep" and woke him up. He was no longer resigned about his imminent death. This is further evidenced by him looking into a transplant after having fallen in love with Shepard. In ME3 I found Thane dismissive about what Shepard must be feeling regarding his illness. In ME3, he's back to being resigned about his death and he never acknowledges that she would need his support to help cope with the forthcoming loss. The Thane that I knew and loved from ME2 would have been more considerate, empathetic, and understanding. He knows firsthand what it's like to lose a beloved (Irikah.)

The Shepard/Thane little hospital makeout session just didn't work for me AT ALL. It just seemed so out of context. There were so many other things that needed to be said. Shepard absolutely would have told Thane that she loved him. I can also imagine my Shepard telling him that he woke her up, too, after she had been brought back by Cerberus--that it was a mutual epiphany for the both of them. Cerberus brought her body back; he re-awakened her heart.

Shepard would have inquired after Kolyat. She would have told Thane that she would watch over his son and would try to get him someplace safe.

There were so many missed opportunities for what could have and should have been a really beautiful conclusion the the romance. I had fully expected that Thane would die. I knew that when I had my Shepard romance him. But the way they concluded the romance was just so unsatisfactory. Compared to the Garrus and Kaidan romances, the Thane romance conclusion was completely rushed and shallow.

I did love the prayer and I thought that Bioware handled that beautifully.

In my own little Ariaya-canon I like to think that the use of the word "Companion" is really a drell conceptualization of a spouse. There is marriage in the formal, societal, legal sense (husband, wife) but a companion bond is a bond of the heart and soul, needs no witness and no vows. It just is.

Anyway, sending good wishes to you Thane-ites.

Modifié par Ariaya, 26 mars 2012 - 10:21 .

[coldwetn0se]

Ariaya wrote...

I have so many issues with the ME3 Thane romance. What follows is my constructive criticism.

First of all, I found Thane to be out of character. He was very different from the Thane we met in ME2. In ME2 Thane's love for Shepard took him out of his "battle sleep" and woke him up. He was no longer resigned about his imminent death. This is further evidenced by him looking into a transplant after having fallen in love with Shepard. In ME3 I found Thane dismissive about what Shepard must be feeling regarding his illness. In ME3, he's back to being resigned about his death and he never acknowledges that she would need his support to help cope with the forthcoming loss. The Thane that I knew and loved from ME2 would have been more considerate, empathetic, and understanding. He knows firsthand what it's like to lose a beloved (Irikah.)

The Shepard/Thane little hospital makeout session just didn't work for me AT ALL. It just seemed so out of context. There were so many other things that needed to be said. Shepard absolutely would have told Thane that she loved him. I can also imagine my Shepard telling him that he woke her up, too, after she had been brought back by Cerberus--that it was a mutual epiphany for the both of them. Cerberus brought her body back; he re-awakened her heart.

Shepard would have inquired after Kolyat. She would have told Thane that she would watch over his son and would try to get him someplace safe.

There were so many missed opportunities for what could have and should have been a really beautiful conclusion the the romance. I had fully expected that Thane would die. I knew that when I had my Shepard romance him. But the way they concluded the romance was just so unsatisfactory. Compared to the Garrus and Kaidan romances, the Thane romance conclusion was completely rushed and shallow.

I did love the prayer and I thought that Bioware handled that beautifully.

In my own little Ariaya-canon I like to think that the use of the word "Companion" is really a drell conceptualization of a spouse. There is marriage in the formal, societal, legal sense (husband, wife) but a companion bond is a bond of the heart and soul, needs no witness and no vows. It just is.

Anyway, sending good wishes to you Thane-ites.

Beautifully put, and welcome!  Though many of us knew his death was a possibility, I had (as did others) hope for a choice to extend his life.  Or if romanced/friended, he uses his own character autonomy to extend his life himself.....watcha doin' there Thane....for six months, eh?  Anyway....cookies and booze to the left of the vestible and tissues on every table.

[Ariaya]

Hi, coldwetn0se and thanks for the welcome!

It definitely would have been nice to have the option for a cure. I certainly would not have been opposed to it being in the game. I wasn't expecting it but yes--had it been there--I definitely would have tried to save him on at least one of my playthroughs.

[Cyansomnia]

Eliza wrote...

I just watched the Kai Leng fight scene on the Citadel again and I just banged my head on the desk when Kai Leng is down on the floor for seconds and nobody give him the final shot - just standing around like fools who did not expect that this guy will get up on his feet again. I cried out loud: Oh my god, Shep, did you never saw a Hollywood movie on TV? The bad guy always gets up on his feet again! That's a must!
And the worse things is the same happens again when Shep fights KL on the cerberus base. Again nobody approaches KL to see if he is really dead. I wish there would have be a Krogran in the team because I am pretty sure a Krogan would make sure these little bastard is really dead by giving him an extra shot.

Yes.  I was so angry my Shepard didn't take any shots at Kai Leng, especially after him and Thane were no longer engaged in melee.

My Shepard is a FREAKIN' sniper.  She could have put so many bullets into that jerk.  The fact that she ran after Kai Leng without even looking back, then the 'how bad is it?' line just fed my rage.

I took Garrus with me to the Cerberus base, and I would have thoroughly expected him to put several rounds into Kai Leng's head just like he did with Saren in my ME1 playthrough.

Garrus:  "Well, at least we got to kill Lieutenant B*stard Kai Leng."

That line made me smile.

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 26 mars 2012 - 10:38 .

[disc0nnect7]

Ariaya wrote...

I have so many issues with the ME3 Thane romance. What follows is my constructive criticism.

First of all, I found Thane to be out of character. He was very different from the Thane we met in ME2. In ME2 Thane's love for Shepard took him out of his "battle sleep" and woke him up. He was no longer resigned about his imminent death. This is further evidenced by him looking into a transplant after having fallen in love with Shepard. In ME3 I found Thane dismissive about what Shepard must be feeling regarding his illness. In ME3, he's back to being resigned about his death and he never acknowledges that she would need his support to help cope with the forthcoming loss. The Thane that I knew and loved from ME2 would have been more considerate, empathetic, and understanding. He knows firsthand what it's like to lose a beloved (Irikah.)

The Shepard/Thane little hospital makeout session just didn't work for me AT ALL. It just seemed so out of context. There were so many other things that needed to be said. Shepard absolutely would have told Thane that she loved him. I can also imagine my Shepard telling him that he woke her up, too, after she had been brought back by Cerberus--that it was a mutual epiphany for the both of them. Cerberus brought her body back; he re-awakened her heart.

Shepard would have inquired after Kolyat. She would have told Thane that she would watch over his son and would try to get him someplace safe.

There were so many missed opportunities for what could have and should have been a really beautiful conclusion the the romance. I had fully expected that Thane would die. I knew that when I had my Shepard romance him. But the way they concluded the romance was just so unsatisfactory. Compared to the Garrus and Kaidan romances, the Thane romance conclusion was completely rushed and shallow.

I did love the prayer and I thought that Bioware handled that beautifully.

In my own little Ariaya-canon I like to think that the use of the word "Companion" is really a drell conceptualization of a spouse. There is marriage in the formal, societal, legal sense (husband, wife) but a companion bond is a bond of the heart and soul, needs no witness and no vows. It just is.

Anyway, sending good wishes to you Thane-ites.

Agreed, Thane seems so out of character in ME3, the Thane we knew in ME2 was the opposite, it breaks my heart thinking he could revert back to his "battle-sleep". He told Shepard she woke him up, and I would have LOVED to hear Shep tell Thane he woke her up after her "death". I also like to think he opened her mind to a whole other way of thinking-about what our bodies do can be separate from what our souls wish.

It would have been a great little addition if Shepard told Thane she'd look after Kolyat, especially with his...passing it would be meaningful to him. Wouldn't you want to hear your child is being taken care of after you pass away? I think that would have given him some peace, it would be a nice thing for a non-romanced Shepard as well. Of course, most of us here would have preferred he didn't pass the way he did (or at all).

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Modifié par disc0nnect7, 26 mars 2012 - 10:41 .

[utaker1988]

Hi Ariaya and welcome. Wonderful post! As for a cure, would have loved it and I would have done it on every playthrough. Not only because my Sheps love Thane but because (headbang) he was my LI in EVERY playthrough. I didn't go in any other direction. I can't say I'm sorry about it, at this point, I'm glad I don't have anything else to compare it too. That would only intensify my grief and despair at how this romance was handled.

[Niemalna]

I was also accepting of his death. I certainly prefer him to die before my F!Shep, say something along the lines of "I have much to do." (like thank/apologize to Irikah, etc because I don't think his relationship with a F!Shep in anyway diminishes his love for Irikah, but I do think he is a different man and is "destined" to be with Shep) But
I don't like the way he went out necessarily, and I don't like how soon he did either. I still agree that a cure should be an option, but I'd be just as fine having a nice side quest for a cure and he still die. Because he doesn't take it so it can go to other people or it doesn't work or it doesn't last, etc. But he could also live and heal up. I just don't think it's possible for them to place him as a permanent member of the squad, but I do think they can put him back in Life Support or something. The dream is he gets cured and survives and makes it all the way to his 85 deserving years, but I can accept other options if required. If a cure was an option, I would take it probably a few times. Just the choice would give instant replayability.

Everyone's gonna die, and I don't think that should be the defining characteristic of him. Let's speed up, what 30-50? years, and have Shep dying on the hospital bed with Liara facing another 800 or so years of loneliness.  Depending on how they execute it, it can be beautiful and tragic, or it can be shallow and cliche.

There are still good writers/designers/developers/etc, they just didn't manage to execute the
romance arc well. I think when Chris left, (and some others), they justsent down key words like "assassin" "Kepral's" etc to give a quick background on the character, and so the writers developed him to fit that aspect, not bothering to really get a good grip on Thane's character at the END of ME2, after he's developed and grown a lot more. Maybe studying some of his later dialogue (esp. the pre-CB scene) will inspire them to do a little more for his romance arc. :')

ZeniMax/Bethesda are some lucky... uh, guys.

Modifié par Niemalna, 26 mars 2012 - 10:46 .

[JECW]

utaker1988 wrote...

Hi Ariaya and welcome. Wonderful post! As for a cure, would have loved it and I would have done it on every playthrough. Not only because my Sheps love Thane but because (headbang) he was my LI in EVERY playthrough. I didn't go in any other direction. I can't say I'm sorry about it, at this point, I'm glad I don't have anything else to compare it too. That would only intensify my grief and despair at how this romance was handled.

I have a Garrus and Kaidan playthrough, and seeing what they get for their romance just upsets me.

Welcome Ariaya

[Eliza]

The devs/writers should have listened to Thane-fans. I think they wrote down many ideas for a good romance arc.
Since I am writing fan fiction storys with lots of romances (and good ones as I have been told by people who read it) I am wondering why it's been so difficult for a professional writer to make a better romance for Thane. It is not so much dialog anyway ... I am sure everyone posting in this thread could have done it much better.

[Niemalna]

I don't even know if they paid enough attention to hear Thane-fans seeing as they forgot about the romance part and just kinda went, "What's that word? Oh, yeah, Siha! Throw that in there, it'll totally work. And reprogram that letter from LotSB, he did get some kind of content in that DLC right?"
I don't think it's difficult either. Or just dialogue. That make out scene just... grossed me out. A lot. It wasn't touching or passionate, it was just... ew to me. Even the way she said it, all flirty and coy seemed out of place right when all you can talk about, even somewhat superficially, is his disease. "You're dying? Let me hit that. :innocent:"
I've seen a lot better ideas in these forums regarding everything, but I think the Thane ideas are just so far and above (and at some times, obvious) what we managed to get that I wonder, honestly, what happened. Did they really forget or did they just not care? And which is more insulting?

Modifié par Niemalna, 26 mars 2012 - 10:59 .