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Débuté par Tasha vas Nar Rayya , juin 13 2011 07:47

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Posté 28 juillet 2011 - 10:59

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Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

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"Jellyfish" is a deeply offensive slur to the Hanar people. I'm pretty sure Thane would be offended if you ever used that term in his presense.


Would 'tentacled gummy bears' be more appropriate? Posted Image


It's true what they say, humans are all racists!

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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 01:23

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Verly wrote...

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 if Thane has a navel my femshep will want to lick it.


for science? lol


Lol, of course :) Is there any other reason? :wub:

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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 01:26

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Fata Morgana wrote...

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Ok, listening to the Bioware panel from SDCC, they actually do say, "if someone was able to survive your playthrough of ME1 & 2, then they will appear in 3 in some form." I do wonder if the "involvement" of Thane will be a death scene. I personally am fine with that, as long as it's written well.


If that's what we get I'll be raging!... absolutely raging.  I expect that *that* scene will only be one possible outcome for Thane  I really don't see them forcing it on all players as canon.

It might not be the best move for business either... If Thane's death is canon then I wouldn't be replaying the game or buying DLC... not because I'd be in the huff, but playing it would undoubtedly make me feel down.  I don't even let characters I couldn't care less about die in the suicide mission (except Grunt, Once) as it makes me feel bad :crying:.

maybe I'm just too soft... 


Well, I mean... from the moment we met him, we knew he was dying. That's part of the poignant beauty of his character.  I feel it would be an insult to people who really do have terminal illnesses if Bioware just waves a magic wand and makes it all better - and an insult to the beautiful writing that went into Thane, too.

There's always the possibility that they'll magically cure him in 3. Count me among those who likes Thane too much for me to want that to happen.


If they can bring a bag of meat and tubes back to life....how is it such a stretch of the imagination that a Drell can't receive a lung transplant or some kind of cure...I really don't see the big issue there.

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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 07:27

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" Don't mistake me for a common anon, I act alone.
I act without mercy,
I bring -insert your choice of desire- to those who deserve it and occasionally to those who do not.
Sometimes I feel regret, sometimes I feel remorse
but most of the time, I feel nothing.
You was chosen for this mission
because trolling is an art
and you're a master ".

It's not meant to be offensive, but I am aware some might take it as that.
Now to what I meant to say and I'll just say it bluntly -rant attack- sort of.
I mean come on, people, is it so difficult to grasp that all that Thane fans wish for is AN OPTION to CURE him or in nicer words, give him another chance to live a life that he himself before meeting Shepard has been denying himself from.

It's really simple. You have your own view on the matter of his illness and how important it is for that said character as well as we have our own. I believe it's safe to say that we agree to disagree and leave it at that. But it's really baffling to see that people seem to be blind to the words that Thane fans/ those who like him, use so MANY times. And that magical word is : OPTION.
It is not as if we're saying that the ONLY OPTION should be curing him. But we're asking that it is ONE of the options. So be my guest and have him die in YOUR GAME if you feel that this is how it should end for Thane. But some of us really came to like him immensely, chose him as an LI and came to feel that he really gives that extra something to OUR playthroughs in our game (which is of course different from yours) and not giving us and OPTION to cure him - beside the option to let him go out in a blaze of glory or such - would simply leave a huge empty gap in our gaming experiance.

Also, I think our wishes to cure him, as being one of the options - and by all means a decision of the player if they want or not want to save him - is not so far fetched to be sen as " OMG how can they even think about it". I know for sure that fans of Garrus, Miranda, Tali and so forth, would state the same wish as we do - that is again: OPTION - if they play an important part/role in THEIR Shepards STORY.

By all means, yes, if you wish and feel that death is the only and true ending for Thane, be my guest, choose an OPTION that allows you this kind of ending, but at thoughtful enough for those whose wishes are different then yours. We're not ASKING for one way to story end in Thane's case, we're not imposing that him living and being cured is a PRE-SET decision, one on which you can have no effect on. We're simply imploring that others who disagree with us at least try to understand and let us be given an option to choose the fate of Thane - it is in the end the same thing we're doing for those who see his death as necessary and true to his character by asking for an option.

P.S: This post is not targeting only one perso, plus I'm sorry for the long post. And the usage of word option for so often that-my-tongue-got-twisted-countless-times was completely intentional, even though it's morning and I haven't had my coffe yet. I'm off to get some waffles.

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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 07:30

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I like that you started your post by declaring that it was going to be a troll post. kudos. I will not take the bait.

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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 07:39

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Fata Morgana wrote...

I like that you started your post by declaring that it was going to be a troll post. kudos. I will not take the bait.

 
As I said, the troll-ish thing was not meant to be offensive. Trust me as I say that it was meant as a simple "bait attention" to threads that declare the ONLY ending for Thane is him dying - I've read then too many already and didn't really twitch or respond to them. I understand your point of view and to be honest that makes our games different, that fact that you see a different ending then I do. You're a good exception - I welcome that -, becasue I understand why you feel the way you feel and I'm surely not going to try and persuade you to think differently.

Now the troll thing, to explain, was meant to those who stroll into the thread and bring no argument what so ever, saying simply that "he must die", or that that's the only "thing that won't be rainbow and bunnies", but apart from that they don't argument their words further.

P.S:  We're all trolls sometimes, even if we're not aware of it. So yeah, you could easily say that I've done some self-insulting - why- becasue I know my views are not views of all the others and even with what I wrote some might take as a complete garbage,  something t o think about or an insult etc..

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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 07:57

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There were many great arguments last two pages for why Thane should not die. And if I may add:

If it were a book I could see Bioware killing Thane. But it is a game with player’s decisions. Bioware knows that. Everyone plays Mass Effect differently. In my game Shepard is always a female character and the only one interested in her is Thane (and sometimes Kaidan and Thane). My Shepards would do absolutely anything to keep Thane. And they would definitely go to the dark side if he dies. Will I get that in the game. No. If he dies in the middle of the game Shepard’s reaction will feel cheap (if you romance him at least some of her actions and reactions should be affected by him dying but they won’t be because everyone is getting the same story). I’ll still only have a choice to be a hero. My Shepards would definitely go nuts if he dies.

That’s of course only one of many reasons.

We don't know what Bioware has planed (hanar might be evil, reaper technology, protein artefacts, medi-gel for lungs, lung transplantation, cure...).

And I think it would be kind of mean from Bioware with waving that banner around about “cure for Thane” on facebook and twitter and then asking for money about Cystic Fibrosis (which apparently the idea of Thane’s illness came from) and then say “Oh, he dies , yes “. I mean come on.

...

But it doesn’t matter. No matter what we say the 'Thane should die' people will go:”Not listening, la la la la la ...”. Maybe we should try that. :?

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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 08:01

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*thane wakes up*

thane: what happened to my lungs?

mordin:....replaced by tech *grins*

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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 08:05

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nightcobra8928 wrote...

*thane wakes up*

thane: what happened to my lungs?

mordin:....replaced by tech *grins*


Perfect!

:D

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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 08:13

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51ha wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

*thane wakes up*

thane: what happened to my lungs?

mordin:....replaced by tech *grins*


Perfect!

:D


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Mordin, you cheeky salarian.
Though that grins of his, one would think he did more then just replacing the lungs, like taking pictures for horde of femsheps, ah well you know, FOR SCIENCE!

Well he did have him lying on a table shirtless for some time...Posted Image

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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 08:21

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51ha wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

*thane wakes up*

thane: what happened to my lungs?

mordin:....replaced by tech *grins*


Perfect!

:D


No reason why that wouldn't work....:wizard:

IT'S JUST A PAIR OF LUNGS PEOPLE!....Why on Earth (or Galaxy) couldn't they be cured or transplanted...it's absurd to think they couldn't.

Trolls will troll....I started the Kasumi Support Thread...how often people just want to dump a 'Jacob, Jacob' troll comment is amazing...they still irk me (lack of a bit of common respect), but learning to just ignore them...same to be said of death trollers in regards to Thane...maybe ignore is the best way to go.

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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 08:21

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IndigoWolfe wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...
kolyat gets shot and is dying as well but his lungs are still functioning, kolyat knows that he won't make it and then begs shepard to transplant his lungs to thane.
then it's up to shepard to either agree or refuse.

Oh... oh, I like this one!

Thane would likely refuse.

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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 08:23

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Artanisia wrote...

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...
As for realism, personally, I don't play a game for realism. I play a game to escape realism..


I always find it extremely ironic when people pull the realism card in a game that features aliens and pretty improbable tech. REALLY?!


This is exactly how I feel. This is a video game where you are playing a character who was dead for two years. No one seem to have a problem with playing someone who shouldn't even be alive, but for some reason Thane being alive in ME3 is a problem.

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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 02:36

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I like that you started your post by declaring that it was going to be a troll post. kudos. I will not take the bait.

 
As I said, the troll-ish thing was not meant to be offensive. Trust me as I say that it was meant as a simple "bait attention" to threads that declare the ONLY ending for Thane is him dying - I've read then too many already and didn't really twitch or respond to them. I understand your point of view and to be honest that makes our games different, that fact that you see a different ending then I do. You're a good exception - I welcome that -, becasue I understand why you feel the way you feel and I'm surely not going to try and persuade you to think differently.


OK then. The reason I assumed your post was trolling was because it sounded like you are at the opposite end of that troll. Yeah there are people who say, "the only end for Thane is for him to die", but they don't come in to this thread and say that no one else is allowed to state their opinion. It seems like others in this thread are saying, "The only end for Thane is that he is cured of Keprel's syndrome, and anyone who says differently is not allowed to post in this thread." Which is decidedly unfair, not to mention fascist. If this thread isn't the Thane appreciation thread - the thread that appreciates everything about Thane, including his storyline, which some of us actuallly like - then there should be a second thread for those people that actually like all of Thane, while this thread should be renamed to the "Cure Keprel's today!" thread, just so people know that they aren't allowed to state any opinion besides that one. 

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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 03:21

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Fata Morgana wrote...

Aello87 wrote...

Fata Morgana wrote...

I like that you started your post by declaring that it was going to be a troll post. kudos. I will not take the bait.

 
As I said, the troll-ish thing was not meant to be offensive. Trust me as I say that it was meant as a simple "bait attention" to threads that declare the ONLY ending for Thane is him dying - I've read then too many already and didn't really twitch or respond to them. I understand your point of view and to be honest that makes our games different, that fact that you see a different ending then I do. You're a good exception - I welcome that -, becasue I understand why you feel the way you feel and I'm surely not going to try and persuade you to think differently.


OK then. The reason I assumed your post was trolling was because it sounded like you are at the opposite end of that troll. Yeah there are people who say, "the only end for Thane is for him to die", but they don't come in to this thread and say that no one else is allowed to state their opinion. It seems like others in this thread are saying, "The only end for Thane is that he is cured of Keprel's syndrome, and anyone who says differently is not allowed to post in this thread." Which is decidedly unfair, not to mention fascist. If this thread isn't the Thane appreciation thread - the thread that appreciates everything about Thane, including his storyline, which some of us actuallly like - then there should be a second thread for those people that actually like all of Thane, while this thread should be renamed to the "Cure Keprel's today!" thread, just so people know that they aren't allowed to state any opinion besides that one. 

There doesn't need to be a serperate thread for Thane. Just because most of us don't want him to die doesn't mean we don't appreciate every aspect of Thanes story. Most of us in here know his story better than most people on this board. I don't remember reading anyone saying that you can't come in here and voice your own opinion. I feel we are one of the most friendliest threads. If you care about Thane and his story than I don't have a problem with you coming in here and voicing your opinion. Even if that opinion is different from my own.

Maybe some of us are a little defensive, but that comes from constantly seeing threads that state Thane should die because it will ruin him if he doesn't. It is usually people who could care less about his character. They didn't romance him or even really talk to him. They never get his information right. They either don't like him or they just want him out of the way to make room for someone they do like. You might be the exception. That doen't seem to happen to often on these boards.

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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 03:30

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JECWSU wrote...

I don't remember reading anyone saying that you can't come in here and voice your own opinion. I feel we are one of the most friendliest threads.


From earlier in the thread (in response to someone else) : "Now stop asking thane to die and looking for friends in a thread dedicated to save his life." We're, apparently, not allowed to state that Thane's death is probably imminent and would be good writing, at least not in this thread. Maybe I should start a new one to state my opinion?  I wonder what the mods would think...

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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 04:30

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Fata Morgana wrote...

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I don't remember reading anyone saying that you can't come in here and voice your own opinion. I feel we are one of the most friendliest threads.


From earlier in the thread (in response to someone else) : "Now stop asking thane to die and looking for friends in a thread dedicated to save his life." We're, apparently, not allowed to state that Thane's death is probably imminent and would be good writing, at least not in this thread. Maybe I should start a new one to state my opinion?  I wonder what the mods would think...


Ok I must have missed that one. Like I said before I have no problem with you voicing your opinion even if it is different from mine. The problem with starting a new thread is you are going to get some of those people who don't really care about his character, and simply want him gone. Everytime I have seen a thread like that the majority of the people that come in there are the ones who just don't care about him. 


I also don't have to much fath in Bioware to do his death justice. It's not that I don't think they could do it justice, but would they. I would be extremely upset if they did have him die and Shepard goes on as if nothing happened. I'm not saying she should be crying every five seconds, but don't have her pretend he didn't exist. I would like Thane to live. It doesn't have to be a cure. Something to prolong his life like the transplant is fine with me also. The transplant wouldn't cure him, but it would just give him more time. Maybe an option to keep him alive for those who want him to live, and to let him die for those who don't. That might be the best way to satify everyone.

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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 04:39

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Fata Morgana wrote...

JECWSU wrote...

I don't remember reading anyone saying that you can't come in here and voice your own opinion. I feel we are one of the most friendliest threads.


From earlier in the thread (in response to someone else) : "Now stop asking thane to die and looking for friends in a thread dedicated to save his life." We're, apparently, not allowed to state that Thane's death is probably imminent and would be good writing, at least not in this thread. Maybe I should start a new one to state my opinion?  I wonder what the mods would think...



Your tone throughout your posts has been pretty condescending, your assertion that your perferred outcome (Thane's death) = good writing while other opinions (cure/treatment) = ruined character and bad writing are pretty insulting.  If I'm being honest I think you *are* a troll.

We all have our preferred outcome why don't you respect other peoples opinions, more respect has been shown to your choices than you have shown to others.

Edit:  I never once posted that you should not voice your opinions here, nor did I suggest that there should be anything other than multiple options for Thane's story.  
I don't agree with your narrow viewpoint on this issue, my own opinion accomodates your preferences as well as my own.

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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 05:08

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JECWSU wrote...

Fata Morgana wrote...

JECWSU wrote...

I don't remember reading anyone saying that you can't come in here and voice your own opinion. I feel we are one of the most friendliest threads.


From earlier in the thread (in response to someone else) : "Now stop asking thane to die and looking for friends in a thread dedicated to save his life." We're, apparently, not allowed to state that Thane's death is probably imminent and would be good writing, at least not in this thread. Maybe I should start a new one to state my opinion?  I wonder what the mods would think...


Ok I must have missed that one. Like I said before I have no problem with you voicing your opinion even if it is different from mine. The problem with starting a new thread is you are going to get some of those people who don't really care about his character, and simply want him gone. Everytime I have seen a thread like that the majority of the people that come in there are the ones who just don't care about him. 


I also don't have to much fath in Bioware to do his death justice. It's not that I don't think they could do it justice, but would they. I would be extremely upset if they did have him die and Shepard goes on as if nothing happened. I'm not saying she should be crying every five seconds, but don't have her pretend he didn't exist. I would like Thane to live. It doesn't have to be a cure. Something to prolong his life like the transplant is fine with me also. The transplant wouldn't cure him, but it would just give him more time. Maybe an option to keep him alive for those who want him to live, and to let him die for those who don't. That might be the best way to satify everyone.


Hey, JECWSU, I just want to say kudos to you for being able to express your opinion without a "since you don't agree with me, GTFO you troll" at the end of it.  Our opinions differ, and that's OK, you know?  Different opinions make the world go 'round, we don't have to exclude people just because we don't agree with them. It's clear that other people in the thread are more fanatic that their opinion is the only correct one, and that makes me sad.

I understand the fear that Bioware won't show respect to the character in the writing, that they won't do it right and it will disapoint. I think a lot of people take that from the fact that 1) many things weren't spoken in ME2 that people wished were discussed (like Shep should have had an outlet for talking about how she hates cerberus and hates being mistrusted by everyone she loved and/or saved) and 2) if people die in 2, there doesn't seem to be time to mourn them. I actually think this is a stylistic choice of Bioware, and I do trust them to get it right in 3... but there's no way to know for sure. So it's a gamble, and people are worried. 

No matter what they do with him, I am very curious to see how they write him in 3.

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Fata Morgana wrote...

From earlier in the thread (in response to someone else) : "Now stop asking thane to die and looking for friends in a thread dedicated to save his life." We're, apparently, not allowed to state that Thane's death is probably imminent and would be good writing, at least not in this thread. Maybe I should start a new one to state my opinion?  I wonder what the mods would think...


If I may humbly add. I think Morgana that best solution to all is to simply say that we tend to agree to disagree, as I mentioned in one of the earlier posts. if you ask me feel free to join conversations and debates in this thread. We're all different people, with different views and perspectives. Like in all threads you'll find people who are such and such, but I know none is reacting the way they do becasue they would wish to impose something upon you or just becasue they would be this evil little thingies you have to salute and agree with to gain a group hug from certain thread community.

Perhaps and feel free to correct me, as JECWSU said, we're probably reacting the way we do becasue we came to really like and appriciate Thane as a character. But in the past there was too many of thread which seemed to turn a blind eye and simply declare that the only way for Thane story to end is by his death. There was rarely any post found which included words such as: option, choice; rarely those who didn't like his character or didn't romance him accounted his role as a LI for female Shepard. Most of the time people would simply dismiss his existence in ME3 becasue of his ilness without considering that other people played the game too and gave Thane a lot more attention and credit. But for us he represents a big part in our game we play as well for our Shepards story. He is not just a man on a death bed, he's so much more beyond it, hiding behind his illness. Without him, if I can express myself in such a way, a big part of our story would be suddenly missing. Like...it would feel as if someone ripped a heart of our Shepards story and threw it away. That is why, in my case, an option is a welcomed feature.

On other hand, it sometimes makes me wonder, I used to be on Bioware threads before ME2 came out and Thane threads were huge. There was a lot of people being excited about his character in more then one way Posted Image.  Perhaps Morgana, that's also one of the reasons why we're so defensive sometimes. We simply fear that we won't be able to finish our story in the way we feel is right, simply becasue so many have been declaring the "universal truth and desire" of seeing his death. Mind you, both or all options surrounding Thanes fate ( as well as the rest of the game involving choices)  need to be good writing. It's not all black and white, good or bad.

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No matter what they do with him, I am very curious to see how they write him in 3.


So am I, not just about Thane but everything about ME3 in general. Like the thing about Shepard getting  cool twist as amazing Ms. Hale said in one of her interviews  (wonder what that could be). Either way, we'll have to wait and see. Is it march yet?Posted Image

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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 05:58

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Golden Owl wrote...

51ha wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

*thane wakes up*

thane: what happened to my lungs?

mordin:....replaced by tech *grins*


Perfect!

:D


No reason why that wouldn't work....:wizard:

IT'S JUST A PAIR OF LUNGS PEOPLE!....Why on Earth (or Galaxy) couldn't they be cured or transplanted...it's absurd to think they couldn't.


My guess is that a drell's body would reject any kind of internal replacements, possibly even other drell's organs, minus the eye enhancements. Keep in mind that a drell is different from a human on the animal kingdom. One is a mammal, the other a reptile.

Love the idea, though.

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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 05:59

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100k wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

51ha wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

*thane wakes up*

thane: what happened to my lungs?

mordin:....replaced by tech *grins*


Perfect!

:D


No reason why that wouldn't work....:wizard:

IT'S JUST A PAIR OF LUNGS PEOPLE!....Why on Earth (or Galaxy) couldn't they be cured or transplanted...it's absurd to think they couldn't.


My guess is that a drell's body would reject any kind of internal tampering, minus the eye enhancements. Keep in mind that a drell is different from a human on the animal kingdom. One is a mammal, the other a reptile.

Love the idea, though.


IIRC, per Thane's dossier in Lair of the Shadow Broker, he's elligible for a lung transplant but has refused that proceedure. Most likely his relationship with Shep would change that. Or heck, even if you don't romance him, he may decide that the universe needs him for a little bit longer and might go for the proceedure then.

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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 06:12

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I don't think there has been anyone trolling here. Just a difference in opinions. And that is what brings a debate, no? I, personally, am fine with others feeling that the best course of action for Thane's is for him to die. It is a notion I disagree with, but I don't class it as a form of trolling.

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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 07:24

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 My reason for suggesting troll was not to do with the view on Thane's story buy more to do with what I thought to be posts that were laced with condescending comments with regards the worth of other options.  
I'm probably wrong in my interpretations of these intentions but... what can I say, it's Friday and I've had a long week  :unsure:
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