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[Niemalna]

Do you think I could post links to the petition on Youtube videos, or would that be like spamming or something?

[disc0nnect7]

It could be they felt Thane didn't need a completion to his character arc due to the fact that he's dying and they're not going to give us an option to keep him around. Maybe they believed all along his death was his character arc...

They obviously chose to concentrate on certain characters over others. There are so many parts of the game I see and think "They're just being lazy". Dialogue is cut, conversation wheel is MIA, side-missions are one demensional, there are gaping plot-holes left and right, our "big" decisions from the previous games are going unnoticed or have a small effect...this just isn't what I expected out of a Mass Effect game, or out of Bioware.

[utaker1988]

Niemalna wrote...

I don't even know if they paid enough attention to hear Thane-fans seeing as they forgot about the romance part and just kinda went, "What's that word? Oh, yeah, Siha! Throw that in there, it'll totally work. And reprogram that letter from LotSB, he did get some kind of content in that DLC right?"
I don't think it's difficult either. Or just dialogue. That make out scene just... grossed me out. A lot. It wasn't touching or passionate, it was just... ew to me. Even the way she said it, all flirty and coy seemed out of place right when all you can talk about, even somewhat superficially, is his disease. "You're dying? Let me hit that. :innocent:"
I've seen a lot better ideas in these forums regarding everything, but I think the Thane ideas are just so far and above (and at some times, obvious) what we managed to get that I wonder, honestly, what happened. Did they really forget or did they just not care? And which is more insulting?

Ugh, I found that rather lacking in tact. About the talking about him dying and then the make out scene.  In my second play through (yes, I admit it, I did it twice and it was not any less painful), I knew what was coming so I didn't bother with the private time dialogue at that time nor the Normandy one.  I just talked about his dying then walked away.  I came back after I did the Javik mission and did only the Normandy one and then the make out.  Even splitting it up didn't make it any better but at least I wasn't jumping him immediately talking about him dying.  
Saturday, it was just my youngest daughter and I for a couple of hours, she came in and asked me why I was playing ME2 again.  I told her that ME3 kinda sucked and they treated Thane badly.  She wanted to know why, so I said, "words can't describe what they did but I can show you."  I put the game in and loaded the save before she talks to him the first time.  I handed my daughter the controller and said, "have at it."  She went through the dialogue and then looked at me, "ok, I'm ready for the next one."  I told her there was no next one, he dies after that.  I watched her face and it kinda resembled this .  She put the controller back on the bed and said, "was he your boyfriend in this one?"  I said, "yep".  She goes, "ok, whoever wrote that needs to go back to school and learn how to write and I don't blame you for playing 2 again."  When a 10 year old points out that the writing stinks, you know you have fumbled the ball.

[Visii]

Niemalna wrote...

Do you think I could post links to the petition on Youtube videos, or would that be like spamming or something?

I say go for it. So long as you don't do it 58 times per vid, you should be alright.

[Tinve]

This weekend, I woke up in the morning and saw my husband in front of a computer monitor. He played ME3 (I still can not start). He was very angry and the first thing he said to me was: WTH, BW? What have they done with the characters? Wrex, Mordin, Thane... so much OOC. Even my husband noticed a crucial difference in their behavior.

Modifié par Tinve, 26 mars 2012 - 11:24 .

[Niemalna]

utaker1988 wrote...
I told her there was no next one, he dies after that.  I watched her face and it kinda resembled this .  She put the controller back on the bed and said, "was he your boyfriend in this one?"  I said, "yep".  She goes, "ok, whoever wrote that needs to go back to school and learn how to write and I don't blame you for playing 2 again."  When a 10 year old points out that the writing stinks, you know you have fumbled the ball.

Wow, your daughter is sweet. And smart.
Has she seen the ME2 conversations? Most people who have questioned my thoughts IRL tend to change their minds once they see the ME3 romance (most are dudes so they just saw him being all heroic getting stabbed). If they don't come around then, becuase they don't have their own romances like Liara or something, I send them Youtube links to ME2. Then they shut up.

[Julia_xo]

JECW wrote...

Julia_xo wrote...

Visii wrote...
It was nice to hear, but...

I'd rather Thane alive and telling my Shep he loves her, as opposed to a post-mortem declaration that we've all heard and read before.

We're in agreement there. I would have loved to hear Thane say he loved Shepard in-game and for her to be able to say it back to him. If DLC to save him and fix the romance is released I will buy it in a heartbeat!

I've always thought the LotSB letter was well-written. I could believe it was something Thane would write to Shepard. When I found out Chris (Thane's writer) left BioWare I was worried about how Thane would be written in ME3 but the letter gave me hope the new writer(s) would get it right. Sadly, they didn't. What went wrong, I wonder?

In my opinion, the letter contradicts ME3Thane's attitude in the hospital. In the letter he says he wants to stay by Shepard's side and protect her with everything he is and in the hospital he's like "I think about us often but we always knew it would end. Bye" The letter is definitely more reflective of ME2 Thane as a whole.

Sadly, I think the devs just reused it because they didn't want to bother writing new content for Thane, which makes me sad.

I will always love the letter though and I'm glad someone was nice enough to give voice to it. <3

I agree.
Doesn't Shepard say I love you to the other LI's? Is Thane the only one who doesn't hear it?

I did a little research on youtube.

"I love you" is said to/from: Garrus, Tali, Ashley, Kaidan, Liara, Miranda (but only if you let her die, I think), and Jack

Even Jacob says he still loves Shepard, despite the cheating and knocking up another woman issue. I was like WTF  when I watched that. I never did Jacob's romance but I feel bad for the Jacobmancers.

Shepard never tells Thane she loves him and he never gets to say it either. D: WHYYYYYYYY!?

[utaker1988]

Niemalna wrote...

utaker1988 wrote...
I told her there was no next one, he dies after that.  I watched her face and it kinda resembled this .  She put the controller back on the bed and said, "was he your boyfriend in this one?"  I said, "yep".  She goes, "ok, whoever wrote that needs to go back to school and learn how to write and I don't blame you for playing 2 again."  When a 10 year old points out that the writing stinks, you know you have fumbled the ball.

Wow, your daughter is sweet. And smart.
Has she seen the ME2 conversations? Most people who have questioned my thoughts IRL tend to change their minds once they see the ME3 romance (most are dudes so they just saw him being all heroic getting stabbed). If they don't come around then, becuase they don't have their own romances like Liara or something, I send them Youtube links to ME2. Then they shut up.

Yeah she saw the second one, many, many times.  I remember the first time she saw the romance scene.  Her face, LOL.  Anyway her first reaction was "oh he's crying, he's sad, you should hug him", "oh he loves Shepard", the kiss though, that made her go  .  At the time she first saw it, she was only 8.  Trust me if the scenes were anymore explicit, she would not have been watching them.  Which means...no vanilla tent scenes in DA for her.  

[Eliza]

utaker1988 wrote...

Niemalna wrote...

utaker1988 wrote...
I told her there was no next one, he dies after that.  I watched her face and it kinda resembled this .  She put the controller back on the bed and said, "was he your boyfriend in this one?"  I said, "yep".  She goes, "ok, whoever wrote that needs to go back to school and learn how to write and I don't blame you for playing 2 again."  When a 10 year old points out that the writing stinks, you know you have fumbled the ball.

Wow, your daughter is sweet. And smart.
Has she seen the ME2 conversations? Most people who have questioned my thoughts IRL tend to change their minds once they see the ME3 romance (most are dudes so they just saw him being all heroic getting stabbed). If they don't come around then, becuase they don't have their own romances like Liara or something, I send them Youtube links to ME2. Then they shut up.

Yeah she saw the second one, many, many times.  I remember the first time she saw the romance scene.  Her face, LOL.  Anyway her first reaction was "oh he's crying, he's sad, you should hug him", "oh he loves Shepard", the kiss though, that made her go  .  At the time she first saw it, she was only 8.  Trust me if the scenes were anymore explicit, she would not have been watching them.  Which means...no vanilla tent scenes in DA for her.  

My daughter is 9 years old and she loves Thane since she saw him in ME 2 when I played. I had to create a Shep for her and play it while she was watching and told me what decisions she wanted me to make for her (only paragon ones). In ME 3 she wanted to play her Shep herself (and she is quite good in doing all the fights, I've never expected this).
When she saw the death scene in ME 3 I had to comfort her and wipe away her tears. She really hates how the romance ends and that her beloved Thane has to die not matter what you do. She says it's unfair and asked me why all the other romances were handled so much better.

[Cyansomnia]

Eliza wrote...

My daughter is 9 years old and she loves Thane since she saw him in ME 2 when I played. I had to create a Shep for her and play it while she was watching and told me what decisions she wanted me to make for her (only paragon ones). In ME 3 she wanted to play her Shep herself (and she is quite good in doing all the fights, I've never expected this).
When she saw the death scene in ME 3 I had to comfort her and wipe away her tears. She really hates how the romance ends and that her beloved Thane has to die not matter what you do. She says it's unfair and asked me why all the other romances were handled so much better.

This seriously breaks my heart.  I can't imagine how traumatizing that must be for her.  HELL, it was traumatizing for me and I'm 29 years old.  Poor thing, send her my love and sympathy.



One thing I wanted to say:

Trolling Bioware is probably going to make them shut down, more than listen.  Try to stick to constructive tweets, as they'll be more receptive to that.  Just my opinion, as I think we may be getting a tad overboard here... 

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 27 mars 2012 - 12:31 .

[Kaija]

Julia_xo wrote...

JECW wrote...

Julia_xo wrote...

Visii wrote...
It was nice to hear, but...

I'd rather Thane alive and telling my Shep he loves her, as opposed to a post-mortem declaration that we've all heard and read before.

We're in agreement there. I would have loved to hear Thane say he loved Shepard in-game and for her to be able to say it back to him. If DLC to save him and fix the romance is released I will buy it in a heartbeat!

I've always thought the LotSB letter was well-written. I could believe it was something Thane would write to Shepard. When I found out Chris (Thane's writer) left BioWare I was worried about how Thane would be written in ME3 but the letter gave me hope the new writer(s) would get it right. Sadly, they didn't. What went wrong, I wonder?

In my opinion, the letter contradicts ME3Thane's attitude in the hospital. In the letter he says he wants to stay by Shepard's side and protect her with everything he is and in the hospital he's like "I think about us often but we always knew it would end. Bye" The letter is definitely more reflective of ME2 Thane as a whole.

Sadly, I think the devs just reused it because they didn't want to bother writing new content for Thane, which makes me sad.

I will always love the letter though and I'm glad someone was nice enough to give voice to it. <3

I agree.
Doesn't Shepard say I love you to the other LI's? Is Thane the only one who doesn't hear it?

I did a little research on youtube.

"I love you" is said to/from: Garrus, Tali, Ashley, Kaidan, Liara, Miranda (but only if you let her die, I think), and Jack

Even Jacob says he still loves Shepard, despite the cheating and knocking up another woman issue. I was like WTF  when I watched that. I never did Jacob's romance but I feel bad for the Jacobmancers.

Shepard never tells Thane she loves him and he never gets to say it either. D: WHYYYYYYYY!?

For something as devasting as a death scene and serious illness one would think that it would be most important to have the option to express this to each other... poor writing indeed.

[JECW]

Julia_xo wrote...

JECW wrote...

I agree.
Doesn't Shepard say I love you to the other LI's? Is Thane the only one who doesn't hear it?

I did a little research on youtube.

"I love you" is said to/from: Garrus, Tali, Ashley, Kaidan, Liara, Miranda (but only if you let her die, I think), and Jack

Even Jacob says he still loves Shepard, despite the cheating and knocking up another woman issue. I was like WTF  when I watched that. I never did Jacob's romance but I feel bad for the Jacobmancers.

Shepard never tells Thane she loves him and he never gets to say it either. D: WHYYYYYYYY!?

So Thane is the only one that doesn't get any kind of I love you. I saw Jacobs romance on youtube. Not only does he say he still loves Shepard, but that doctor he knocked up say he still loves you. Thane who is dying gets nothing. Who would not tell the person that they love who is dying I love you. What could those writers have been smoking to think that an "I love you" was not appropriate for that scene.

Modifié par JECW, 27 mars 2012 - 12:54 .

[Cyansomnia]

JECW wrote...

So Thane is the only one that doesn't get any kind of I love you. I saw Jacobs romance on youtube. Not only does he say he still loves Shepard, but that doctor he knocked up say he still loves you. Thane who is dying gets nothing. Who would not tell the person that they love who is dying I love you. What could those writers have been smoking to think that an "I love you" was not appropriate for that scene.

This just continues to illuminate their epic fail in the Thane romance department.

/hard facepalm

[coldwetn0se]

ugh....starting to get depressed again. I just got the dossier to pick up Thane in ME2, and I am actually scared how I will react. Damn....that Drell is making me feel bi-polar. One minute I know exactly how I will handle all of this (i.e. finish out the play through with a romanced Thane, and head canon what happens after it). The next minute I am getting flashes of all the things missing in me3 for the Thane romance, not being able to extend his life,and seeing him in the hospital, and bad dialogue, and cereal ninja having plot armor, and, and, and...........

I should go fix dinner. I need to think about something else for a moment.

[Xeyska]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

JECW wrote...

So Thane is the only one that doesn't get any kind of I love you. I saw Jacobs romance on youtube. Not only does he say he still loves Shepard, but that doctor he knocked up say he still loves you. Thane who is dying gets nothing. Who would not tell the person that they love who is dying I love you. What could those writers have been smoking to think that an "I love you" was not appropriate for that scene.

This just continues to illuminate their epic fail in the Thane romance department.

/hard facepalm

*checks rage*

Yep. Still there.

[Visii]

JECW wrote...

So Thane is the only one that doesn't get any kind of I love you. I saw Jacobs romance on youtube. Not only does he say he still loves Shepard, but that doctor he knocked up say he still loves you. Thane who is dying gets nothing. Who would not tell the person that they love who is dying I love you. What could those writers have been smoking to think that an "I love you" was not appropriate for that scene.

To be fair..., hearing Jacob say he loves Shepard under those circumstances.... he says that, then on the Citadel, tells her that he wants to name the baby he's having with Brynn after her.

Honestly, I would rather no declaration at all, or the post-mortem one  (well not, seeing as we got it in Lair of the Shadow Broker) as opposed to Jacob's....

Modifié par Visii, 27 mars 2012 - 01:14 .

[JECW]

Visii wrote...

JECW wrote...

So Thane is the only one that doesn't get any kind of I love you. I saw Jacobs romance on youtube. Not only does he say he still loves Shepard, but that doctor he knocked up say he still loves you. Thane who is dying gets nothing. Who would not tell the person that they love who is dying I love you. What could those writers have been smoking to think that an "I love you" was not appropriate for that scene.

To be fair..., hearing Jacob say he loves Shepard under those circumstances.... he says that, then on the Citadel, tells her that he wants to name the baby he's having with Brynn after her.

Honestly, I would rather no declaration at all, or the post-mortem one  (well not, seeing as we got it in Lair of the Shadow Broker) as opposed the Jacob's....

That's true, but it's still in his dialogue. Miranda only get it if she dies,  and most of her fans are not going to let her die. Bioware proabably shouldn't have had Jacob or that woman say that to Shepard. It doesn't make being dumped any easier to deal with. For some reason the writers didn't think Thane or Shepard should say that to each other, but everyone else can. Who wouldn't tell someone that they love who is dying " I love you".  Is Bioware way of trying to tell us that none of our Shepards ever loved Thane.

[LucyMaire]

I just wanted to drop in and say hi. Today was busy so I couldn't join in the conversation but I hope to get back to spreading the word about the petition/fanbook tomorrow (I wish I could contribute in an artistic way, but, unfortunately I'm not nearly as talented as you guys. So I'll stick to advertising.)
As always, reading these posts has made my day.
Good night everyone!

[Ariaya]

Hi guys. I just woke up from an epic nap! Wow, I was tired!

Anyway, I did go ahead and sign the petition.

Modifié par Ariaya, 27 mars 2012 - 02:40 .

[utaker1988]

Ok, I had been playing ME2, just got out of Life Support and talking to Thane, decided to take a nap and about 10 minutes later, burst into a fit of laughter.

(Shepard strolling through Tech Lab)
Shep: Hey Mordin, anything new?
Mordin: Testing samples. Lotions and ointments working for you. Have more if needed.
Shep: Yep, they are fine. Hey where does that ladder go.
Mordin: Life Support.
Shep: (evil grin) heh heh
(Shep for whatever dumb reason decides to check it out, head first. She proceeds down the ladder until her head is barely poking out into Life Support)
Shep: hmmmm....where is he?
(Thane comes strolling in, looking like he just got out of the shower)
Shep: hee hee...he's getting undressed...oh my....must be quiet
Thane: ?????? Probably nothing, ship is always making noise.
(Thane grabs his clothes, thinks better of it, heck he's alone, how about some shadow boxing)
Shep: Oh by the Gods!!!! Shriek!!!!
****THUD****
Thane: Siha!!! What? **slightly amused** Are you alright? I'm not going to ask what you were doing.
Shep: (rubs head) I was ummm...checking out the Normandy's equipment. (Boy, I hope he buys that)
Thane: (chuckles) The Normandy's equipment, huh? And how does it stand....
Shep: From where I'm sitting, it's in pretty good shape.
(Mordin from above)
Mordin: Shepard. Checked ladder. Next time wash off lotion before climbing. Or don't go down head first. Or both.
Shep: I think I should go.
Thane: I think next time "equipment" (amused smile) needs to be checked, you try a direct approach.

[sunnie7699]

Visii wrote...

Niemalna wrote...

Do you think I could post links to the petition on Youtube videos, or would that be like spamming or something?

I say go for it. So long as you don't do it 58 times per vid, you should be alright.

I was thinking about doing this yesterday, here is what I've written up to post on Thane/other ME2 romance vids:

Sorry to be spammin’, but many fellow ME fans who romanced ME2 characters were left pretty unhappy with how their romances were handled in ME3, even though Bioware promised us satisfying conclusions. If anyone could spare a minute, it would be great if you could sign this petition for better ME2 romances in ME3- http://www.thepetiti...fb_id=710252485 . Every signature counts!

What do you think?

Modifié par sunnie7699, 27 mars 2012 - 02:51 .

[Xeyska]

sunnie7699 wrote...
I was thinking about doing this yesterday, here is what I've written up to post on Thane/other ME2 romance vids:

Sorry to be spammin’, but many fellow ME fans who romanced ME2 characters were left pretty unhappy with how their romances were handled in ME3, even though Bioware promised us satisfying conclusions. If anyone could spare a minute, it would be great if you could sign this petition for better ME2 romances in ME3- http://www.thepetiti...fb_id=710252485 . Every signature counts!

What do you think?

Sounds good to me.

[sunnie7699]

utaker1988 wrote...

Ok, I had been playing ME2, just got out of Life Support and talking to Thane, decided to take a nap and about 10 minutes later, burst into a fit of laughter.

(Shepard strolling through Tech Lab)
Shep: Hey Mordin, anything new?
Mordin: Testing samples. Lotions and ointments working for you. Have more if needed.
Shep: Yep, they are fine. Hey where does that ladder go.
Mordin: Life Support.
Shep: (evil grin) heh heh
(Shep for whatever dumb reason decides to check it out, head first. She proceeds down the ladder until her head is barely poking out into Life Support)
Shep: hmmmm....where is he?
(Thane comes strolling in, looking like he just got out of the shower)
Shep: hee hee...he's getting undressed...oh my....must be quiet
Thane: ?????? Probably nothing, ship is always making noise.
(Thane grabs his clothes, thinks better of it, heck he's alone, how about some shadow boxing)
Shep: Oh by the Gods!!!! Shriek!!!!
****THUD****
Thane: Siha!!! What? **slightly amused** Are you alright? I'm not going to ask what you were doing.
Shep: (rubs head) I was ummm...checking out the Normandy's equipment. (Boy, I hope he buys that)
Thane: (chuckles) The Normandy's equipment, huh? And how does it stand....
Shep: From where I'm sitting, it's in pretty good shape.
(Mordin from above)
Mordin: Shepard. Checked ladder. Next time wash off lotion before climbing. Or don't go down head first. Or both.
Shep: I think I should go.
Thane: I think next time "equipment" (amused smile) needs to be checked, you try a direct approach.

*Squeals* <3

[sunnie7699]

Xeyska wrote...

sunnie7699 wrote...
I was thinking about doing this yesterday, here is what I've written up to post on Thane/other ME2 romance vids:

Sorry to be spammin’, but many fellow ME fans who romanced ME2 characters were left pretty unhappy with how their romances were handled in ME3, even though Bioware promised us satisfying conclusions. If anyone could spare a minute, it would be great if you could sign this petition for better ME2 romances in ME3- http://www.thepetiti...fb_id=710252485 . Every signature counts!

What do you think?

Sounds good to me.

Dammit I just realised that youtube doesn't let you post links in case of possible spamming

Edit: I reworded it:

Hi!
Sorry to be spammin’, but many fellow ME fans who romanced ME2 characters were left pretty unhappy with how their romances were handled in ME3, even though Bioware promised us satisfying conclusions. If anyone could spare a minute, it would be great if you could sign this petition for better ME2 romances in ME3-(Youtube won’t let me post the link, but you can go to ‘The Petition Site’ and type ‘Mass Effect: Save our characters, save our game’ into the search bar). Every signature counts!

Not sure if that's a bit tedious but i suppose anyone who feels strongly about it will at least go to the effort

Modifié par sunnie7699, 27 mars 2012 - 03:07 .

[Cyansomnia]

OK, this made me laugh for like 5 minutes straight:

Kai Leng's face.  :lol:

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 27 mars 2012 - 03:13 .