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[Fata Morgana]

wildannie wrote...

 @Fata Morgana

I think that amongst Thane fans, you are probably in the minority and just because *you* think that him not dying is a bs story does not make it so.

You're assuming a lot. You never see fans with my opinion in this particular thread, because people get attacked and called trolls here if they mention it. But there are other threads on BSN (there was one pretty recently) where people have the same opinion as mine, and state it in a perfectly respectable manner. I'm not trying to say that my opinion is in the majority OR the minority, because unless you do market research you're really not going to know one way or another. It's actually pretty arrogant of you to answer for what the entire fanbase likes or dislikes. State your own opinon for what you want to see, but don't try to stand as the representative of all Thane fans.

I do wonder if you intend to play ME3 numerous times?  The majority of my Shepards have Thane as LI, the rest as a friend and the thought of having to play through the same tragic story again and again is *not* a good one (It wouldn't happen, I'd give up at twice one with Thane LI, one with Kaidan).

Yes, I plan to play ME3 multiple times. Just like I played through ME1 many times, going through the Virmire choice again and again, and it can still make me cry sometimes. And I'm in the middle of one of my many playthroughs of ME2, and I still visit the wreck of the Normandy and get a little misty eyed, and I still do the Overlord mission and feel the awfulness of that final scene, etc. When art is tragic, it can also be beautiful and strangely wonderful too. It may surprise you to know that some movies make me cry, and instead of avoiding those movies, I may watch them again and again, reliving the tragedy portrayed.  One of my favorite movies is Central Station, and just typing the name out just now, I got a little misty-eyed thinking about it. 

You want everything to be sunshine and bunnies. That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. I like drama, especially in something as epic as Mass Effect. That's my opinion and I'm also entitled to it.  

[wildannie]

@Fata Morgana

Do you know what probably means??? I think that I'm probably right in this one and that many who wish the glory death, while liking Thane, do not consider him to be their favourite.

I want choice, not sunshine and bunnies. You want to force your own narrow preference upon the entire ME player population, *that* is selfish.

...so, you revel in tragedy, good for you. I'm all for a bit of drama, just not forced upon me in game.

You think I'm arrogant *shrugs* don't care.

*leaves for work*

[Enmystic]

Fata Morgana wrote...

cut wall of text.

This is where the disagreement lies because there are many Thane fans who don't think that Thane being cured is a cop-out.  That's why I suggested using a choice system, or a plot progression that allows the player to save Thane.  Many developers have already used such a system many times before, and with creative writing the decisions won't have to be so black and white.  

ME is a game that promises the player control, and taking that away recklessly is a very bad idea.  Virmire and the Suicide Mission worked because there was some level of player control.

If you at least made Thane loyal or romanced him, he no longer has the solid desire to die.  That's where his development in ME3 can stem from. You don't need Thane's death to show an emotional point in his story.  Just because Thane thinks he's going to die doesn't mean that it's a fact that's going to remain true as ME progresses. 

Using character death simply as a dramatic device is shallow writing.  It's bad writing that can ruin Thane, not the choice to cure/treat him.

I'm aware that Mass Effect is about war and that people will die, but at the same time I don't play video games to be reminded of the fact that life sucks.  I don't mind tragedy, but at the same time let me be the hero.  Let me save Thane.   

Modifié par Enmystic, 02 août 2011 - 08:37 .

[Sister Helen]

51ha wrote...

Yeah. We need happy Thane.

I made this into my laptop's wallpaper.  Thank you so much! 

Nice thing to see first thing in the morning.... Coffee with Thane. ... Both put a smile on my face.

[wildannie]

@Fata Morgana and Thane Thread in general

sorry for my snark, not always at my best at 7.30 am

[JECWSU]

I don't really want a tragic ending for any of my playthroughs. I've seen it too many times in movies and on t.v. I'm kind of numb to it. However, I don't have a problem with anyone else having it in their playthroughs. That's why I would like to be given a choice for the player.

This could just be my wishful thinking, but how do we know that bioware ever had any real intention on killing Thane? They could have just thrown the disease in there for added drama, and that's it. That may sound silly, but it isn't anymore silly than playing a character who should be dead.

I guess we will just have to wait and see when ME3 comes out.

Modifié par JECWSU, 02 août 2011 - 06:24 .

[Enmystic]

I was thinking along the same lines because his imminent death was basically revealed within some of the first conversations you have with him, so what's the point in even developing him much less making him a romance option?  No foreshadowing, its just in your face.  Perhaps I'm thinking too hard, but I'm expecting a surprise come ME3. 

I hope Thane lives.

Modifié par Enmystic, 02 août 2011 - 06:10 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Fata Morgana, I love diversity, and am always interested by new opinions. And as it is clear that you have this preference, and you like Thane as a character.

I must admit, I do like drama (epic drama as opposed to 'soap opera' drama of course! ) And I think that there will be several choices in ME3 that will allow that. Casey has dropped several hints to suggest that there will be heartache and tragedy depending on Shepard's choices in ME3 and the previous games.

And this is what has led me to believe that Thane's fate, as well, will be a result of a choice. A choice that either ends in heartache and tragedy, or it ends with Thane being able to live longer at someone or something's expense.

The diverse choices in the ME series is what allows gamers to immerse themselves and create their own world (or universe.) And if Thane's fate is the result of a choice, then I admit, I will make playthroughs for each outcome. Even if one of those choices may make me a little misty eyed, because that allows me to become immersed in the game. It also allows me to explore the characters from all angles.

So I can understand your opinion due to the massive emotional power it would have. However, I don't think that Thane dying should be compulsory, because it allows those with differing viewpoints to immerse themselves with their own Shepard.

[Fata Morgana]

@wildannie: Thank you for your apology.

@Tasha Thanks for being accepting of diverse opinions.

What I am trying to say, though, is that I don't think that Thane gets cured/Thane dies can be written in such a way that it will be a real choice. What I mean by 'real' choice can be exemplified by the collector base choice - do you destroy it or do you keep it? What makes that real and others 'unreal;'? A fake choice is one where your choices are "Be a nice person, or be a moustache-twirling villain." Not to say that the 'fake' choices don't provide their own kind of entertainment, because they do. But they are not really story choices, because most of the time you're not going to choose to bomb an orphanage for no particular reason, unless you do it just to see what will happen (ie, trolling the galaxy). Whereas a real story choice makes you question which is the right solution, makes you debate it with yourself, makes you wonder which really is the right choice, even after making it.

So ultimately, Bioware can choose Thane gets a cure, and that's fine even though I don't support it as a story. It just means that ME3 will be a little less cool than I want it to be, but there are going to be other cool moments to make up for that. Or Bioware can choose a dramatic death scene or can just choose for Thane to go on with Keprel's through the end of ME3 without it being mentioned again (and he dies of Keprel's after the games end, off-screen). These are all possibilities. But what's not possible, in my opinion, is making "the Thane question" a choice for the player. Because the only people who are going to withhold the cure are people who hate Thane, or people who doing a "trolling the galaxy run." There wouldn't be any point to make that kind of non-choice in ME3, because we already had that in the Suicide Mission.

So basically what I"m saying is, writing a "cure Thane or withold the cure" choice would be exactly the same as "make curing Thane compulsory." So it's just better to write it as "Thane cured" instead of wasting programming on a false choice.

I'm thinking now that the most likely decision that Bioware will make regarding Thane is just that he continues on with Keprel's through the end of the game, with no change to his health status at all. I'm still hoping that Bioware will have the brass balls to do something more risky, though. Partly because a glorious and well-written death is practically guaranteed to make Thane EVERYONE'S favorite charater.

[wildannie]

Would it not be possible for a choice to be more along the lines of Virmire where only one thing can be achieved. I don't mean that this should necessarily involve two possible deaths but maybe loss of loyalty of a useful ally, or the loss of a useful resource.
A choice where curing Thane could be justified, but equally not curing him would be understandable in the context of the desperate situation they are in.

[InkognitoY]

Say what you will about Thane, he's my best friend in ME2 because 1) he's awesome and 2) he has the coolest outfit ever.

I just don't want some convenient cure to show up and cure him in ME3, that would be really cheesy. If he is cured, it needs to be in a believable way (Probably something that would require his son to sacrifice himself for an experimental procedure?). Thane's whole life has been a tragedy, it would be a shame to lose all of that emotion and will power just become some doctor is like "Oh hey Thane take this pill." I think that would be a disservice to the character and his story (I still want him to live though)

[Enmystic]

@Fata: I understand where you come from, I just don't agree completely with it.

Like I mentioned before, if the writers get creative enough the choice can get difficult. Whether you save him or not his story would still have meaning.

How do you know that killing Thane will make him everyone's favorite character? That's certainly not how it worked for me.

[Fata Morgana]

Enmystic wrote...

@Fata: I understand where you come from, I just don't agree completely with it.

Like I mentioned before, if the writers get creative enough the choice can get difficult. Whether you save him or not his story would still have meaning.

How do you know that killing Thane will make him everyone's favorite character? That's certainly not how it worked for me.

I'm not saying that just having him die will make him everyone's favorite; but having him pull off an incredibly badass last stand will. And Thane doesn't need to win you over to his side, you already like him.

[Fata Morgana]

InkognitoY wrote...
I just don't want some convenient cure to show up and cure him in ME3, that would be really cheesy. If he is cured, it needs to be in a believable way (Probably something that would require his son to sacrifice himself for an experimental procedure?). Thane's whole life has been a tragedy, it would be a shame to lose all of that emotion and will power just become some doctor is like "Oh hey Thane take this pill." I think that would be a disservice to the character and his story (I still want him to live though)

Mostly agree.

[JECWSU]

Fata Morgana wrote...

So basically what I"m saying is, writing a "cure Thane or withold the cure" choice would be exactly the same as "make curing Thane compulsory." So it's just better to write it as "Thane cured" instead of wasting programming on a false choice.

I'm thinking now that the most likely decision that Bioware will make regarding Thane is just that he continues on with Keprel's through the end of the game, with no change to his health status at all. I'm still hoping that Bioware will have the brass balls to do something more risky, though. Partly because a glorious and well-written death is practically guaranteed to make Thane EVERYONE'S favorite charater.

I understand what you are saying even if I don't agree with it. They could very well do this. Have him contiue with is illness with nothing changed. I don't  really see how they could, but they might.  I still don't know if they would write a great death scene for him. They haven't really done great death scenes so far. Virmire was suppose to be emotional, but for me it wasn't. It wasn't a hard choice for me to pick who lives and who dies. Maybe it's just me, but Shepards death wasn't very emotional for me either.

I don't think a well written death scene is going to make him everyone's favorite. Vimire didn't do anything for Kaidan or Ashley. They still aren't the most popular characters.

Modifié par JECWSU, 02 août 2011 - 11:53 .

[Plakto]

I don't feel like joining the fight today, hard day at work, BUT



See you guys when I'm in a better place mentally.

Modifié par Plakto, 03 août 2011 - 01:21 .

[Enmystic]

Fata Morgana wrote...

Enmystic wrote...

@Fata: I understand where you come from, I just don't agree completely with it.

Like I mentioned before, if the writers get creative enough the choice can get difficult. Whether you save him or not his story would still have meaning.

How do you know that killing Thane will make him everyone's favorite character? That's certainly not how it worked for me.

I'm not saying that just having him die will make him everyone's favorite; but having him pull off an incredibly badass last stand will. And Thane doesn't need to win you over to his side, you already like him.

Got me there. XP
But I still don't want to see Thane unavoidably die and Shepard not do anything.  It seems so cheap.

[Raine_Rose_Hart]

Hey! I'm new here to the thread, but have always been a Thane fan. So just dropping by to give my support and also linking to a wonderful comic that I came across...


made by : http://yuhime.deviantart.com/gallery/28455002#/d37i8b0

Modifié par Raine_Rose_Hart, 03 août 2011 - 03:16 .

[lnflux]

Raine_Rose_Hart wrote...

Hey! I'm new here to the thread, but have always been a Thane fan. So just dropping by to give my support and also linking to a wonderful comic that I came across...


made by : http://yuhime.deviantart.com/gallery/28455002#/d37i8b0

Okay, I've been lurking here for a while now, and I decided to make an account to say:

That is amazing.

[InkognitoY]

Being a heterosexual male, I'm not a Thane fan as some of you are, but nonetheless, I thought you guys would enjoy this pic.

(Sorry if it's a retoast).

[nightcobra]

snip

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 03 août 2011 - 03:23 .

[Sister Helen]

I just like his pretty voice. A pity the character doesn't sing.