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[Emeraldfern]

Visii wrote...

Emeraldfern wrote...

Oh, you poor thing. Fable 3? Do you need some brain bleach, I've got some left over.

Hey,I actually like Fable III and Fabe II!

*dodges any incoming attack*

I did however absolutely loathe the character interaction in Fable III 

That was almost balanced out by Reaver's epicness in Fable III though...

[Sable Rhapsody]

Emeraldfern wrote...
Gah! Thane is everywhere it seems except...The Sims 3...

I made a Thane in Sims 3.  

I also made the mistake of turning on free will and letting the Mass Effect Sims run amok.  Sim!Thane ended up turning gay for Kaidan or something equally bizarre.  I deleted that game <_<

[Visii]

I was just mad at... everything.

So magic is in the gloves now? So now I have to get transported to another plane of the universe to switch spells and change clothes? Whatever happened to Hannah and Garth? Why did my character from Fable 2 die if she was a hero, Theresa's still running around isn't she? In fact, why did your charrie from Fable also die, if he and Theresa were siblings?

What the heck was Theresa doing with the Spire, renting it out? Theresa can't just be mysterious forever, we never got any idea as to what she wants or what she's planning or why she cares about Albion at all- she's like freaking Flemeth now. And why did the game make me try and care so much about Walter?

Aieeee. Sorry, I was just... really disappointed. I had a lot of issues with Fable 2, the length and resolution of the main quest line, to start with, but at the end of the day I did like it, it had a lot of potential. And then they started going, "you can be queen or king in Fable 3" and it was like, awesome, until it only amounted to four of five good vs evil decisions before a criminally sort final battle sequence.

So... Thane, anyone? http://tamarialovest...Audio-294929066

Modifié par Visii, 09 avril 2012 - 08:52 .

[Emeraldfern]

@Sable Rhapsody

Hahaha OMG!

Yeah, free-will is absolute crazyness mostly.

Gah, that made me want to make Mass Effect sims...oh the insanity of it...

Elcor voice: Genuinely curious, how did you make Thane in TS3?

I mean, is there actually any Mass Effect themed Custom content out there?
If there is I must have missed it...

@Visii
Yeah, I get where you are coming from, some of those plot holes were as big as craters honestly...

However the setting was what made me love the Fable games, Dark fairytale in a fictional England? Check. Complete with british humour? Check.

In short, just Mind-boggingly Amazing!

And that audio...my mind went straight to the one word to sum it up, the one word to snare all the FemSheps : "Ridges"

Modifié par Emeraldfern, 09 avril 2012 - 08:59 .

[Shepenwepet]

Emeraldfern wrote...



/Slightly off-topic
I was just playing Zelda: Skyward Sword in order to give my mind a break from the depressing treatment of Thane in ME3, and I keep playing merrily thinking "Lala Zelda games always have happy endings that will keep my mind off ME3"

But then I get to a point in the game were you are traversing a desert that used to be an ocean, comlpete with this melancholic piece of music:



And I just stop playing because I break down in tears, I mean Desert, Sea that music.... my mind kept going back to Thane...and the tears welled up
I know I'm silly but but...Thane...

I actually loved that track - I stood there for a good ten minutes listening to it. That and Bamboo Island. I never did finish that game, not a fan of the controls.

I was just organizing my old cds, writing down all the tracks that were on them so I never have to dig through 8 bajillion cds when I'm looking for a song, when I came across a song by The Rembrandts, That's Just The Way It Is. 

if you don't have the time to watch the video, let me give you some of the lyrics.

Do you remember once upon a time
When you were mine
The stars above were bright and new
I pulled them down for you

Just when I fell in love again
You said that all good things must end

....

I never had a head for solitaire
It’s so unfair
That I should have my chance and lose
Feel like I’ve been used to help you through another night
You spelled it out in black and white.

.....

The tides that once had carried you away
They bring you back today
The time has washed away my pain
To find that things have changed and disappeared without a trace
You can’t get back what you've erased

The next song on the CD was Duncan Sheik's Barely Breathing. The chorus sounded to me like a little jab at Shepard's non-reaction to the death scene:

I am barely breathing
I can't find the air
Don't know who I'm kidding
Imagining you care



Then came this.

I had to stop.

[Hisilome]

Shepenwepet wrote...

true. i forgot about Jack's little hideyhole, I rarely go down there, it's sorta out of the way.
That's why I only ended up getting my space hamster back about 3/4 of the way through the game.

Life Support is staring you right in the face as soon as you step off the elevator, taunting you. My Shepard always instinctively turns a bit to the right as she walks off the elevator. I had to retrain my brain to stop doing it.

That's where my space hamster is??I never found it again...darn, will need to go down and look now!O.o

And I turned right towards Life Support all through the game, never stopped doing it,sigh! It's a great relief to be replaying ME2 and to be able to go there now and see Thane-and not feel like an idiot turning right when I know there's nothing there!

[Sable Rhapsody]

Emeraldfern wrote...
Elcor voice: Genuinely curious, how did you make Thane in TS3?

I mean, is there actually any Mass Effect themed Custom content out there?
If there is I must have missed it...

I did this shortly after Sims 3 came out; haven't touchedf it for a while so I don't know if there's custom content out there.  I just made a Sim who looked as close to Thane as I could get it, then turned him green.  It kinda worked, but it became mostly an exercise in hilarity after I turned on free will.  I think Tali and Liara hooked up in that game, and Morinth had a jealousy fit over Kaidan and Thane or something 

[coldwetn0se]

Okay....work in the morning suked, then I had tedious work to do this afternoon, so my brain was left to wander.  Not always a good thing....ahem.  Anyway, so I started trying to figure out, from BW perspective, how they could pull Thane's asinine character arc out of the proverbial fire.  I had to imagine it from their angle, since, it's them that would have to do this, and not me (obviously).  I'll put everything in lists, since it will be easier to read (if ya even want to read through me ramblings)  Here it goes:

1) Even though I love the idea (very much so) of LI DLC, I fear that exclusive LI DLC probably won't happen.  However, I DO see them adding more LI content to story DLC, to appeal to the likes of us crazy RPGers.

2) For Thanemancer though, (as he would say...) this is problematic.  They wrote a character arc for him that currently has him die no matter what, AND is in obvious physical distress through the small portion of the game, he is in.  So, again, from the perspective of BW writers, and the unlikely chance of Thane exclusive DLC, a question must be answered:  How do we believable (within the current written format) give people a chance to have his fate altered, so he could be utilized in future story DLC??
I believe I came up with a workable idea.
            a) Develop a patch that adds one more dialogue set to Thane's character (and a small one to his Doctor).
            This extra dialogue would only trigger after all other previous in game dialogue is exhausted (but before    Citadel  Coup).
            c) This dialogue would have a standar wheel with two right side options (paragon/renegade), and two left side options.  The Bottom Left option would simple close off the convo, allowing you to simply move on from the dialogue. (for those that want a different fate for him.....i.e. same fate as you get in the vanilla game....yuck)
            d) The Top Left option, would open a quick Investigative dialogue, in which we would learn that his Doctor mentioned something about new treatments to help his people.  Perhaps it is the lung medi-gel treatment, but he doesn't believe it will be available to him.
            e) A choice to end the convo with a paragon or renegade response.....neither will effect (beyond tone/personality) the information you have gleened from Thane.
            f) This will lead you to talk to the Doctor one last time before the coup.  Following a few lines to indicate, that you hope she will find a way to get the treatment to Thane.
            g) The new material that the patch provided would effectively be done, because the game would then use existing markers already provided in the vanilla game.  Basically, if you followed the life extention route with this new material, Thane would NOT end up in the KL fight.  The vanilla game would register this the same as if you never went to speak with him in the first place.  The sacrifice for this would be what you would expect; if Kirahee is alive in your PT, then he is the one to die.  If not, then the Salarian Councilor dies.

3) With the patch, this would effectively make Thane available for any further DLC they may wish to do.  INCLUDING any LI content that was also incorporated in to said DLC.  This would also allow for the romance to continue as it should have been in the first place for all Thanemancers, and we could also get the Paramour Achievement from this extra LI content. We could then shout to the damn world that THIS IS OUR MAN!!  In others words, BACK OFF booberry and Kaidan. (too much caffeine)

4) A short thought on story DLC, which would make expanding on the ME2 LI's that took a back seat in this game easier, would be to bring back something more specific to ME2....example Omega (it already looks like a DLC is being potentially setup for there anyway),or Harbinger (he's kinda floating like a McGuffin in da wind), ect.......
This DLC could be setup to be played AFTER the Citadel Coup (that way all potential ME2 LI's could be utilized; including our beautiful Drell...).  It would then have us taking mostly our old ME2 squad with us on said romp for this DLC.


Not sure how much this made sense.....feel free to comment/criticize/or ignore.....is all good, bebe!  Basically, I was just trying to find a way for them to change his fate, but in a relatively NON invasive way, so others could leave the vanilla game as is.  <bastarts>

[Shepenwepet]

coldwetn0se wrote...


1) Even though I love the idea (very much so) of LI DLC, I fear that exclusive LI DLC probably won't happen.  However, I DO see them adding more LI content to story DLC, to appeal to the likes of us crazy RPGers.

I'm almost certain it won't - ME3 was designed in part to bring in new fans. I don't exactly know how many newbies there are in the fandom, but in their games, Thane and Jack do not exist. I don't think BW would make a DLC that is unusable by some consumers.

That said, I'll buy Thane DLC. Twice.

[Tinve]

Shepenwepet wrote...

That said, I'll buy Thane DLC. Twice.

I also do it.

[wildannie]

@coldwetn0se

I like your ideas and I'm sure that they could be implemented. Thane's appearance is made so unimportant to the rest of the plot (not essential for mission, and forgotten thereafter) that I'd imagine adding a change to his story would be relatively easy. At least they wouldn't have to remove all the dialogue and conversations of condolences :[

I was thinking earlier that out of all the ME2 squad, Thane is the one with the most obvious mission remaining, we encounter Mirandas father and sister, help Jack, and help Jacob, there are no glaringly obvious outstanding goals associated with these characters although the content they got was far from satisfying. Therefore I vote for a mission where Miranda contacts Shepard re rumours of a possible treatment to help Thane, because it's miranda we can't take the normandy so we need to get a small squad together of non alliance people Shep trusts (Miranda, Jack and Jacob - Garrus, Tali, Liara and EDI could also be available to ensure squad numbers but no alliance soldiers) Thane goes too (although I don't know if he should be available for fighting) Jacob can drive the shuttle. Successful completion of the mission would allow Thane to survive the game and spend time with Shep, give paramour etc.
This mission could add much needed content and conversations to the other ME2 neglected ones

edit: @shepenwepet  I wonder if it wouldn't be really easy to alter who appears in new ME3 games with a patch? 

Modifié par wildannie, 09 avril 2012 - 10:38 .

[Hisilome]

Just dropping in to let you know I updated my little fic-not a really big chapter, since rl decided to throw a wrench my way these past few days-but bigger chapter coming!

http://www.fanfictio...7/1/Deliverance

If we're given a Thane DLC, I'll be happy to buy it twice too!:/ New fans of the game, new gamers, partly the audience BW aimed for in ME3, as Shepenwepet wrote above, needn't buy dlcs they aren't interested in! That goes for all of us really, we buy the dlcs that interest us, as offered! So BW can make an exclusive ME2 LIs dlc for those who would buy it-there're a lot of us out there who'd be interested, after all...Those not, can just opt not to get it!

Might not be making very much sense atm,lol, sleepy!

Modifié par Hisilome, 09 avril 2012 - 10:46 .

[coldwetn0se]

wildannie wrote...

@coldwetn0se

I like your ideas and I'm sure that they could be implemented. Thane's appearance is made so unimportant to the rest of the plot (not essential for mission, and forgotten thereafter) that I'd imagine adding a change to his story would be relatively easy. At least they wouldn't have to remove all the dialogue and conversations of condolences :[

I was thinking earlier that out of all the ME2 squad, Thane is the one with the most obvious mission remaining, we encounter Mirandas father and sister, help Jack, and help Jacob, there are no glaringly obvious outstanding goals associated with these characters although the content they got was far from satisfying. Therefore I vote for a mission where Miranda contacts Shepard re rumours of a possible treatment to help Thane, because it's miranda we can't take the normandy so we need to get a small squad together of non alliance people Shep trusts (Miranda, Jack and Jacob - Garrus, Tali, Liara and EDI could also be available to ensure squad numbers but no alliance soldiers) Thane goes too (although I don't know if he should be available for fighting) Jacob can drive the shuttle. Successful completion of the mission would allow Thane to survive the game and spend time with Shep, give paramour etc.
This mission could add much needed content and conversations to the other ME2 neglected ones

edit: @shepenwepet  I wonder if it wouldn't be really easy to alter who appears in new ME3 games with a patch? 

Actually a great idea, Annie.  The only reason I tried to stay away from more Thane Exclusive theme, is because, I was trying to imagine from the BW developers' standpoint.  Having it accessible to as many consumers as possible, and worth the time and money for the developers.  I would personally pay quite a bit for Thane DLC, as I think most of us here would, but I do suspect, there are plenty who wouldn't.  By focusing the main plot of said DLC, on something that ALL ME2 squaddies could be a part of, then you could just add extra LI content for those that romanced ME2 squadmates.  Since the "patch" I suggested would enable his current condition to be changed (not just alive, but somewhat healthy), then he would actually be usable in combat and cutscenes......and it would make his LI content a bit more......vroom, vroom.  Sorry.....don't know where the "car" sounds came from, but........hell.......<ridges>

[Emeraldfern]

Regarding the fact that Thane and Jack are absent from ME3 for the newcomers, they could just make a "Genesis" comic thingy for ME3.

But that idea of all the ME2 L.I.'s going at a mission together sounds awsome! There could be more to it than Thane's cure, like perhaps finding Jacks parents, that must have been a tease for the Jack fans after LTSB and doesn't Liara mention something about them in ME3? (I don't remember when Liara actually does mention them though) In Miranda's case maybe something about other Cerberus defectors? As for Jacob hmm...I suppose Jacob's could be intertwined with Mirandas part.

(I actually had a somewhat hilarious thought about a romanced Jacob in that scenario, it would be hilarious if Miranda called Brynn Cole a lying drama queen and basically dragged him back to Shepard)


@Shepenwept Yeah I love that track too, I did play through Skyward Sword (I am currently on my second "Hero mode" playthrough) but I know what you mean about the controls, at times they don't even respond correctly...

And adding to the depressing song list here is one:

Skellig by Loreena McKennit



Lyrics:

O light the candle, John
The daylight has almost gone
The birds have sung their last
The bells call all to mass


Sit here by my side
For the night is very long
There's something I must tell
Before I pass along

I joined the brotherhood My books were all to me
I scribed the words of God
And much of history

Many a year was I
Perched out upon the sea
The waves would wash my tears,
The wind, my memory

I'd hear the ocean breathe
Exhale upon the shore
I knew the tempest's blood
Its wrath I would endure

And so the years went by
Within my rocky cell
With only a mouse or bird
My friend; I loved them well

And so it came to pass
I'd come here to Romani
And many a year it took
Till I arrived here with thee

On dusty roads I walked
And over mountains high
Through rivers running deep
Beneath the endless sky

Beneath these jasmine flowers
Amidst these cypress trees
I give you now my books
And all their mysteries

Now take the hourglass
And turn it on its head
For when the sands are still
'Tis then you'll find me dead

O light the candle, John
The daylight is almost gone
The birds have sung their last
The bells call all to mass

/Add the fact that default Male Shep's name is John as well as the mention of a mouse being a friend... it makes it even more

Modifié par Emeraldfern, 09 avril 2012 - 11:18 .

[Ashwraith]

I was listening to my MP3 player on shuffle the other night, and I happened to stumble across a track I think suits Thane very well; particularly when one takes the 'romance' aspect of his character into account.
I dunno man, I just live here.

Anyway:

Gravity- A Perfect Circle

[coldwetn0se]

Actually the ME2 squaddie DLC I was thinking of wouldn't be exclusive to just the Love Interests. I keep seeing on different threads about how many people miss a lot of the ME2 squaddies, so this would be a DLC that would incorporate all of them, in some capacity (if they were alive from the SM either due to import, or starting the game out in me3). That was why I was pondering on using a storyline that started in (or was exclusive to) ME2 (i.e. Omega, Harbinger, ect...) The LI content would be extra content, that would add something more to those who romanced ME2 squaddies, and for those that got really shafted (Thane and Jacob) we can get something to sort of rectify the lack of relations in the Vanilla Game. I Love @Emeraldfern's idea of Miranda dragging Jacob back to Shepard actually (if done right it could be kinda sweet and funny at the same time.) To make Jacob work, you might also have to pull a Jerry Springer.....i.e. Brynn was lying about the child being his, and he was drunk/lonely/stupid the night he 'went astray'....could even give Shep a chance to call him that (stupid....hehe), but still choose to continue the romance

[Niemalna]

@Cold Yes, I think it should be non-LI exclusive so that they'll get more sales. Idk how big that would have to be, but I wouldn't mind another Awakening at all.
Oh and:

MAURY MAURY MAURY MAURY MAURY MAURY MAURY MAURY MAURY MAURY MAURY\\

[coldwetn0se]

Niemalna wrote...

@Cold Yes, I think it should be non-LI exclusive so that they'll get more sales. Idk how big that would have to be, but I wouldn't mind another Awakening at all.
Oh and:

MAURY MAURY MAURY MAURY MAURY MAURY MAURY MAURY MAURY MAURY MAURY

HAHAHA!!

JENNYJONESJENNYJONESJENNYJONESJENNYJONESJENNYJONES

[Cyansomnia]

I was thinking about how they'd go about handling a DLC, as well. Especially within the constraints of an already existing story. I had an idea about how to accomplish it while still giving everyone what they want.

Make a DLC that can stand alone as it's own adventure, regardless of whether Thane himself is involved. A side effect of completing this DLC (if you make the right choices), is the chance to have Thane undergo treatments that would lead to his eventual recovery. The Citadel Coup would still play out in the same manner, except Thane can survive his stab wound.

That way, Bioware doesn't have to change anything that already exists in the game... just add to it. I actually developed an idea for a DLC that could accomplish this, using already existing plot flags that carry over into the game. They would be utilized in the same manner as the Rannoch or Tuchanka missions, culminating into an important 'persuade'.

Essentially, it would leave the events up to the player through their actions. The main choice in the DLC that allows you to obtain said treatment, would be difficult and ambiguous enough that it wouldn't be blatantly obvious you're letting him die. And regardless of whether Thane is present, it would be a good stand alone story that resulted in other rewards as well.

I thought about typing it all out in a document, but I don't know if people would like it or even listen. Anyways, from my perspective it seems like a good way to handle it.

EDIT:
Extra romance content for Thane would of course be included.

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 10 avril 2012 - 12:40 .

[coldwetn0se]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

I was thinking about how they'd go about handling a DLC, as well. Especially within the constraints of an already existing story. I had an idea about how to accomplish it while still giving everyone what they want.

Make a DLC that can stand alone as it's own adventure, regardless of whether Thane himself is involved. A side effect of completing this DLC (if you make the right choices), is the chance to have Thane undergo treatments that would lead to his eventual recovery. The Citadel Coup would still play out in the same manner, except Thane can survive his stab wound.

That way, Bioware doesn't have to change anything that already exists in the game... just add to it. I actually developed an idea for a DLC that could accomplish this, using already existing plot flags that carry over into the game. They would be utilized in the same manner as the Rannoch or Tuchanka missions, culminating into an important 'persuade'.

Essentially, it would leave the events up to the player through their actions. The main choice in the DLC that allows you to obtain said treatment, would be difficult and ambiguous enough that it wouldn't be blatantly obvious you're letting him die. And regardless of whether Thane is present, it would be a good stand alone story that resulted in other rewards as well.

I thought about typing it all out in a document, but I don't know if people would like it or even listen. Anyways, from my perspective it seems like a good way to handle it.

EDIT:
Extra romance content for Thane would of course be included.

I say type it up, baby!!  Seriously.....I think maybe we should all start thinking of ways they could fix this (and even if this "hurts me") within reason.  Meaning, we work within the confines of what they gave us.  If they are not willing to actually change the endings, then the likelyhood of them changing anything else is pretty slim to none.  We could even start a new thread at somepoint, or a Group that we can direct others to, to add there thoughts, comments, proposals, ect.....  More ideas the better.

[sydzilla]

coldwetn0se wrote...

Aislinn Trista wrote...

I was thinking about how they'd go about handling a DLC, as well. Especially within the constraints of an already existing story. I had an idea about how to accomplish it while still giving everyone what they want.

Make a DLC that can stand alone as it's own adventure, regardless of whether Thane himself is involved. A side effect of completing this DLC (if you make the right choices), is the chance to have Thane undergo treatments that would lead to his eventual recovery. The Citadel Coup would still play out in the same manner, except Thane can survive his stab wound.

That way, Bioware doesn't have to change anything that already exists in the game... just add to it. I actually developed an idea for a DLC that could accomplish this, using already existing plot flags that carry over into the game. They would be utilized in the same manner as the Rannoch or Tuchanka missions, culminating into an important 'persuade'.

Essentially, it would leave the events up to the player through their actions. The main choice in the DLC that allows you to obtain said treatment, would be difficult and ambiguous enough that it wouldn't be blatantly obvious you're letting him die. And regardless of whether Thane is present, it would be a good stand alone story that resulted in other rewards as well.

I thought about typing it all out in a document, but I don't know if people would like it or even listen. Anyways, from my perspective it seems like a good way to handle it.

EDIT:
Extra romance content for Thane would of course be included.

I say type it up, baby!!  Seriously.....I think maybe we should all start thinking of ways they could fix this (and even if this "hurts me") within reason.  Meaning, we work within the confines of what they gave us.  If they are not willing to actually change the endings, then the likelyhood of them changing anything else is pretty slim to none.  We could even start a new thread at somepoint, or a Group that we can direct others to, to add there thoughts, comments, proposals, ect.....  More ideas the better.

I'm with Coldi, I would love to see your write up! I like the idea of Thane being able to survive the encounter with Kai Leng rather than taking it out all together. It would allow players who want Thane's story to go unchanged in ME3 the option to leave the original content alone while providing those of us that want him to survive/be cured options as well.

And of course the continuation of the romance/paramour achievement/new romance content goes without saying.

Modifié par sydzilla, 10 avril 2012 - 01:08 .

[Cyansomnia]

I know this is total pipe-dreaming, but if you somehow got Thane on your squad again (and he recovered from the stab wound) I think it would be funny if:

You take Thane with you and EDI to the Cerberus base. You do the Kai Leng fight as usual and he gets up to meander over to Shepard and try to stab her/him.

If you mash the Renegade prompt, you stab Kai Leng as usual. If you don't, instead:

Thane disarms him, says "Time to return the favor" and stabs him with his own sword.

Ahhhhh... now THAT would be epic.

*drifts happily in fantasy land*

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 10 avril 2012 - 01:26 .

[Niemalna]

I can only draw crappy stick people but if that glorious moment happened,
IWOULDDRAWTHATSOHARDDUDE. That's screensaver material.

[Shepenwepet]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

I know this is most certainly going to happen because it's the best idea ever:

You take Thane with you and EDI to the Cerberus base. You do the Kai Leng fight as usual and he gets up to meander over to Shepard and try to stab her/him.

If you mash the Renegade prompt, you stab Kai Leng as usual. If you don't, instead:

Thane disarms him, says "Time to return the favor" and stabs him with his own sword.

Ahhhhh... now THAT would be epic.

*drifts happily in fantasy land*

Fixed.