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[Saberchic]

51ha wrote...

Sorry everyone. I just don't get it why a Thane fan would want him dead.

My favourite fanfiction is Dosed.
It's not mature rated and it's very funny.

I'm a Thane fan, and I think I understand Fata's stance. I also don't hold it against her.

I have a Shep who romanced Thane. She knows he's dying. I don't get why people expect him to live because he now wants to live. You go into the relationship knowing the man is dying.

I would like Thane to be cured, sure, but it better be believable. If they throw in some cheesy fix, I'm going to be pissed. I'd rather he die than have BW poof something in and say, "Ok, he's cured now. "

[Enmystic]

All I can recommend right now is The Itch by popehippo.  It stars Femshep and Thane.  I found it to be a short, yet cute and fun read.  Rated T.

I know what some of you are probably going to think after reading the title.  Stop that right now.<_<

@51ha:
I know how you feel, but everyone has their opinion.  Unless Bioware decides to drop a hint all we can do is wait and hope for good news.  Sometimes I browse Facebook, Deviantart, etc.  There are a lot more Thane (pro-cure/treatment) supporters out there than some people think.

[wildannie]

@Saberchic

It doesn't bother me if Thane *can* die I just don't want it to be canon and it's calls to make it so that really get on my goat.

As to plausibility, if the game was set in the real world then I would have no expectation of a cure. However, in the Mass Effect universe, amongst the company Thane now keeps (mordin, miranda) I find the idea that there's nothing that can be done to be more of a suspension of my disbelief than a cure.

I have faith that if a cure is provided it will be well written

[Fata Morgana]

Saberchic wrote...

51ha wrote...

Sorry everyone. I just don't get it why a Thane fan would want him dead.

My favourite fanfiction is Dosed.
It's not mature rated and it's very funny.

I'm a Thane fan, and I think I understand Fata's stance. I also don't hold it against her.

I have a Shep who romanced Thane. She knows he's dying. I don't get why people expect him to live because he now wants to live. You go into the relationship knowing the man is dying.

I would like Thane to be cured, sure, but it better be believable. If they throw in some cheesy fix, I'm going to be pissed. I'd rather he die than have BW poof something in and say, "Ok, he's cured now. "

Good post. <3

[Enmystic]

Saberchic wrote...

I have a Shep who romanced Thane. She knows he's dying. I don't get why people expect him to live because he now wants to live. You go into the relationship knowing the man is dying.

Some of us hope for the option to help him so we can change that.

[Saberchic]

wildannie wrote...

@Saberchic

It doesn't bother me if Thane *can* die I just don't want it to be canon and it's calls to make it so that really get on my goat.

As to plausibility, if the game was set in the real world then I would have no expectation of a cure. However, in the Mass Effect universe, amongst the company Thane now keeps (mordin, miranda) I find the idea that there's nothing that can be done to be more of a suspension of my disbelief than a cure.

I have faith that if a cure is provided it will be well written

Honestly, I think it just bothers me that some people insist that he live just because:

1) he's their LI (no LI armor-- even for Liara, Ash, or Kaidan in ME3 please)

2) he now wants to live ("wanting to" does not mean a cure should appear. I didn't want Ash to die on Virmire, yet she did.)

3) I've read some posts suggesting to sacrifice Kolyat for Thane to live. (hello! Thane would never allow that! and what a way to treat the offspring of your lover/friend.) Thane should not live if it means doing this. IMO, anybody who thinks this is being selfish.

I can see how people would think it will cheapen the story if he lives. Thane could spend his last few months celebrating life and cherishing it. It might not necessarily be a super depressing ending; it could be done really well.

All said, I think whether our teammates (including LI) live or die should be dependant on our actions from ME2 and ME3 and not forced on us. (I hate those "please bioware kill some characters" threads)

[Saberchic]

Fata Morgana wrote...

Good post. <3

Thanks. I really meant what I said. If BW can't figure out a way to cure Thane believably, they're really better off letting him die. If he goes out like a hero, I really wouldn't mind that.

I know people hope for a cure, but it just seems that realistically, it's not going to happen. I'd see it as butchering the character if they did it (the cure) badly.

[Fata Morgana]

@Saberchic Another great post. <3

One of my biggest worries about ME3 is that, even though the stakes are higher than they've ever been, and things are bleaker than ever before, that somehow there will be no damage taken by anyone that Shep cares about. I think to do that would be shallow storytelling - to only let "millions of humans" die, people whom Shep has never met or connected with, and letting her whole crew have plot armor, assuming you make the 'right choices'.  Even though I always go for the golden ending in ME2, I still remember how much I was affected emotionally by the fact that I lost all of the ship's main crew as well as two squadmates, due to bad decision making. That playthrough really hit me. And I'll never have the guts to make a playthrough like that my 'official' playthrough, because as long as I have a choice as to whether anyone dies, then no one  Shep cares for will ever die. That's why I want some choices to be "bad choice versus bad choice" the way Virmire was. Because it will make the war feel all that much more terrible and heart-rending if there's some people Shep can't save. And that includes her LI.

Modifié par Fata Morgana, 05 août 2011 - 08:33 .

[Fata Morgana]

51ha wrote...

Yes but if they don't cure him or do something about it he is dead. There's nothing you can do about it. Where's the choice in that.

The death should be done like the suicide mission. Where everyone can die but also everyone can live. I don't see why Thane should be an exception.

But what I'm saying is that I don't think that 'everyone can live' should be a choice in ME3. I'm not even saying that only Thane should be the one on the chopping block: I think all the squadmates should be in some way, that there should be multiple 'virmire choices' in 3.

[wildannie]

I really don't get the worry over whether Bioware can find a believable cure comes from. There are so many avenues that Bioware could take that could cure Thane that would not be at odds with the ME universe.
While I'd agree that there should not be impenetrable LI plot armor, I also think that it should be possible to save all the LI characters (not all in the same PT though).
My reason for thinking this is that I don't want anyone to have their experience ruined by being forced to lose their favorite character. I do think that there should be inevitable squad deaths, but who dies should depend upon choices.

edit:

@Saberchic  I'm totally against any cure for Thane involving Kolyat, Feron or any other Kill X to find cure for Thane.  
I would favour any cure coming from an obscure cerberus cell, tip off from Miranda.  Or from Mordin / mordins contacts.

Modifié par wildannie, 05 août 2011 - 09:09 .

[Saberchic]

wildannie wrote...

I really don't get the worry over whether Bioware can find a believable cure comes from. There are so many avenues that Bioware could take that could cure Thane that would not be at odds with the ME universe.

I think the cure and non-cure sides both have fears, and those fears seem to stem from the fact that we all care about this character.  I believe that we all want to see the character done justice.

While I'd agree that there should not be impenetrable LI plot armor, I also think that it should be possible to save all the LI characters (not all in the same PT though).
My reason for thinking this is that I don't want anyone to have their experience ruined by being forced to lose their favorite character. I do think that there should be inevitable squad deaths, but who dies should depend upon choices.

edit:

@Saberchic  I'm totally against any cure for Thane involving Kolyat, Feron or any other Kill X to find cure for Thane.  
I would favour any cure coming from an obscure cerberus cell, tip off from Miranda.  Or from Mordin / mordins contacts.

@ bolded part:  I'm glad to hear this.

Hmmm. I'm not sure Miranda could help as Cerberus is pro-human, and I believe Thane's disease is strictly drell. Mordin may know someone. That avenue is certainly possible. I'm not going to make assumptions of whom Mordin does and doesn't know and what they have or haven't worked on.

edit: grammar

Modifié par Saberchic, 05 août 2011 - 09:22 .

[Enmystic]

@Saberchic:

I understand.  If a squadmate dies, LI or not, I want it to be because I messed up or chose a particular action, not because the plot demands it.  That includes Thane.  

I dont' like those "kill X character for spare parts" myself. ;

You're forgetting that Liara, the Shadowbroker, is with Shepard.  She and Feron may possibly be of help as well.

@Fata Morgana:

I wouldn't mind "Virmire" style choices sometimes, but not with everybody.  Overall a Suicide Mission type risk could work.  No plot armor, but at the same time no plot favoritism.


Thane can be cured/treated and it can be plausible.  Overall all I ask for is that choice. 

Poor Kolyat, he often gets pegged as a jerk because of Thane's loyalty mission, and apparently some people think he's ugly.

[Enmystic]

Yes, it has been done for Kolyat. Whether it was a joke or not I've seen it. >_<;

[wildannie]

 @Saberchic  I was thinking that the cerberus avenue would be more convoluted than them having been actually looking for a cure, perhaps an antibiotic advance or something .

@5iha  I've seen Kolyat being suggested as a suitable sacrifice a few times, possibly in other threads though... that would be such a bad story line .

[Saberchic]

51ha wrote...

I remember having Feron as spare parts for Thane. But it was meant to be a joke. I really don't remember anyone mentioning Kolyat for that part though.

I remember someone saying that Kolyat should be gravely injured so that Thane could then take his lungs. <_<
I don't remember which thread it was in. It's 2:30 am here right now, and I'm fading fast. LOL

Enmystic wrote...

@Saberchic:

I understand.  If a
squadmate dies, LI or not, I want it to be because I messed up or chose a
particular action, not because the plot demands it.  That includes
Thane.  

I dont' like those "kill X character for spare parts" myself. ;

You're forgetting that Liara, the Shadowbroker, is with Shepard.  She and Feron may possibly be of help as well.

True. Liara could use her resources to see if she can find something that may be already out there although I find this just as unlikely as Miranda being able to help. At this point, Mordin's possible contacts seem the more plausible to me.

[Enmystic]

Saberchic wrote...
 
True. Liara could use her resources to see if she can find something that may be already out there although I find this just as unlikely as Miranda being able to help. At this point, Mordin's possible contacts seem the more plausible to me.

Yes, but it's not completely impossible.  I don't doubt that Mordin could do it by himself although he also has that genophage plotline...

With Cerberus...I could see the Illusive Man trying to manipulate Shepard by using a cure for Keprals as leverage if you romanced Thane or just have his loyalty.  That would be soo evil, unlikely to happen but still evil.

@51ha:
Yep, poor Kolyat.

Modifié par Enmystic, 05 août 2011 - 10:13 .

[JECWSU]

No one on this thread is demanding that he live. We are asking bioware to let him live. We know the choice is ultimately up to them. We just want them to know that there is a significant number of us that would like him to live, or at least make it a choice. If it's a choice then those of us who want to somehow save him can, and those that don't can let him die. To me it's more unbelieveble that he can't be cured, or have his life somehow prolonged. Especially in a universe where Shepard is able to even have a relationship with aliens, or can be brought back after two years of being dead, and Miranda can being genetically engineered.

The only thing that can ruin Thane's story is bad writing. What ever they decide to do with Thane I just want it to be well written.

I think the thing with Kolyat and Feron was a joke. Most of us know that there is no way we could ever sacrifice his son just to save him, and Thane would never except it anyway.

Modifié par JECWSU, 05 août 2011 - 01:42 .

[nightcobra]

Saberchic wrote...

I remember someone saying that Kolyat should be gravely injured so that Thane could then take his lungs. <_<
I don't remember which thread it was in. It's 2:30 am here right now, and I'm fading fast. LOL

that would be me, it wasn't meant to be taken seriously but do so if that's your thing<_<

i also was the one who said that maybe his lungs could be replaced by tech, maybe through mordin's/tali/legion's help or through indocrination like how it happened with saren.  

[wildannie]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

I remember someone saying that Kolyat should be gravely injured so that Thane could then take his lungs. <_<
I don't remember which thread it was in. It's 2:30 am here right now, and I'm fading fast. LOL

that would be me, it wasn't meant to be taken seriously but do so if that's your thing<_<

i also was the one who said that maybe his lungs could be replaced by tech, maybe through mordin's/tali/legion's help or through indocrination like how it happened with saren.  

see all the trouble you caused ! 

I think I've seen it suggested more than once though

[JECWSU]

I don't think anyone was ever serious about killing Kolyat or Feron.

[wildannie]

JECWSU wrote...

I don't think anyone was ever serious about killing Kolyat or Feron.

I'm sure you're right, I've never taken them seriously.  I was just responding to Saberchic who seemed to think that some Thane fans might think this was okay... naturally, I don't... because i'm not (quite) insane ... yet.