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[JECWSU]

wildannie wrote...

JECWSU wrote...

I don't think anyone was ever serious about killing Kolyat or Feron.

I'm sure you're right, I've never taken them seriously.  I was just responding to Saberchic who seemed to think that some Thane fans might think this was okay... naturally, I don't... because i'm not (quite) insane ... yet.

I don't think any of us would go that far.
 
Kolyat is Thane's son, and he would forgive Shepard, and I could never hurt Feron. Especially after everything he has been through.

Modifié par JECWSU, 05 août 2011 - 01:20 .

[Juliaxo]

lydlyd wrote...
The ThirtySix Stratagems of Wang Jize by Mussimm - (FemShep+Thane) I love this fic SO MUCH.  (Thanks again Neiti for recommending this!) 

I'm really enjoying the fic so far, thanks for linking it! It's interesting to read the different scenarios people think up for Shepard to combat the Reapers and the Shepard/Thane moments are wonderful.

I really hope Bioware do Thane and his romance justice in the actual game.

Enmystic wrote...

Thane can be cured/treated and it can be plausible.  Overall all I ask for is that choice. 

Poor Kolyat, he often gets pegged as a jerk because of Thane's loyalty mission, and apparently some people think he's ugly. 

Agreed. In fact, Bioware have already revealed that Thane is viable for a lung transplant. It's not a cure but it will buy him more time. He just needs to be convinced to do it. I wonder if we will be able to bring it up to him in ME3? He's still got options!

This has also been mentioned many times before but the Cerberus network news feed mentioned something called the Eupulmos Device to treat respiratory diseases dubbed medigel for the lungs. The device "analyzes a patient’s tissue or medicard record before adjusting its virally-delivered superdrugs to match the patient’s genetic predispositions. After that, the mister sprays the aerosol into the patient’s nasal passages and the drug is absorbed into the lungs. The mister can also deliver microsurgery machines to make non-invasive repairs to tissue"

When I read it, I immediately thought of Thane. Something like that could possibly even be adapted to cure or help treat Kepral's. Shepard's got the Shadow Broker and Mordin on her side. They could get the best medical minds to work on a cure or treatment. If they can bring a dead person back to life and people can suspend their disbelief for that, curing Kepral's should not be such an insurmountable problem. And it would not only be to help Thane but all the Drell on Kahje.

As for Kolyat, I'm personally quite fond of him and his moody teenage ways. He has every reason to be upset/angry with his father but I do hope they can mend fences eventually. I've seen the Feron for spare parts joke and even jokingly advocated for it. But it's just a running joke and I don't think anyone actually means they want to kill Feron for his lungs. Thane would not be pleased.

[Saberchic]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

I remember someone saying that Kolyat should be gravely injured so that Thane could then take his lungs. <_<
I don't remember which thread it was in. It's 2:30 am here right now, and I'm fading fast. LOL

that would be me, it wasn't meant to be taken seriously but do so if that's your thing<_<

i also was the one who said that maybe his lungs could be replaced by tech, maybe through mordin's/tali/legion's help or through indocrination like how it happened with saren.  

I've seen it mentioned by more than one person. Sorry, perhaps I should have specified that earlier.
My intention was never to single someone out for that statement.

I'd like to say that I appreciate the fact that we can have a civil conversation about this, and that no one has started shouting to "bring the flamethrower for the troll."

In the end, of course it'll be BW that has the final say over whether he lives or dies. All I can ever hope for is that they do Thane's storyline some justice, whatever decision they make.

Here, please enjoy some Thane goodness by jillybear.

You've all been rather pleasant about this whole discussion, and I appreciate that.

[Saberchic]

Juliaxo wrote...

This has also been mentioned many times before but the Cerberus network news feed mentioned something called the Eupulmos Device to treat respiratory diseases dubbed medigel for the lungs. The device "analyzes a patient’s tissue or medicard record before adjusting its virally-delivered superdrugs to match the patient’s genetic predispositions. After that, the mister sprays the aerosol into the patient’s nasal passages and the drug is absorbed into the lungs. The mister can also deliver microsurgery machines to make non-invasive repairs to tissue"

Now that's interesting and something I hadn't read yest. Thanks.

[JECWSU]

Enmystic wrote...

Thane can be cured/treated and it can be plausible.  Overall all I ask for is that choice. 

Poor Kolyat, he often gets pegged as a jerk because of Thane's loyalty mission, and apparently some people think he's ugly.

I agree and if done right it can be believable.

I have no problem with Kolyat. I never thought he was a jerk. I just think he is a messed up kid with a lot of issues, and we all know why he has those issues. He and Thane have a lot to work out. Hopefully by ME3 they will be close to working out their problems.

I happen to be one of those people who does not think he is attractive at all.  Feron I think is cute, but I can't say the same for Kolyat.

[Zrvan]

I'm not particularly a Thane fan, but I thought I might ask those who are: assuming for a minute that Mass Effect's narrative 'rules' follow the same death-defiance present in Joss Whedon's works -- that is, death can be defeated, but there's usually some sort of horrible price attached -- what would you be willing to give up to keep Thane alive and well in ME3?

As an example that leaps to mind:
You can't use Thane for the first half of the game, because he's being treated and is convalescing.
Or:
Kolyat has to give up a lung. Which might ensure a swifter end for him later, when he gets Kepral's.

[wildannie]

@JECWSU I'm with you re: Kolyat's looks he's not the best, kind of reminds me of Maelon (sp???) top lip not quite matching up with lower jaw (sure that has a name). Obviously he's better looking than Maelon though. Feron is kind of cute, nowhere near as handsome as Thane though .

@Zrvan, I'd be okay with picking Thane up half way through if he was getting treatment during that time, I think that any treatment involving another drell (kolyat, feron or random) would be really lame.

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@Saberchic

Thane goodness is always... well, good! 

There's not enough Thane pics on this page people!

Modifié par wildannie, 05 août 2011 - 06:32 .

[JECWSU]

I have no problem getting Thane half way through the game either, because he is getting some kind of treatment. We don't get him until the last half of ME2 anyway, so this would be no different.

Like wildannie said I could never hurt another drell, and Thane would hate it. I really wouldn't like that option.

@Wildannie
I agree. My problem is I think Kolyat's head seems too big, and you are right about the jaw. It also doesn't help that there seems to be a glitch in my game during Thane's loyalty mission. Kolyat's mouth seems to be stuck open, and then it starts to slowly close.

Feron is very cute, but out of all three Thane is of course the most handsome.

[wildannie]

JECWSU wrote...

I have no problem getting Thane half way through the game either, because he is getting some kind of treatment. We don't get him until the last half of ME2 anyway, so this would be no different.

Like wildannie said I could never hurt another drell, and Thane would hate it. I really wouldn't like that option.

@Wildannie
I agree. My problem is I think Kolyat's head seems too big, and you are right about the jaw. It also doesn't help that there seems to be a glitch in my game during Thane's loyalty mission. Kolyat's mouth seems to be stuck open, and then it starts to slowly close.

Feron is very cute, but out of all three Thane is of course the most handsome.

ewww, that sounds a bit creepy 

[JECWSU]

It is creepy, but it's just one of the many glitches in my game.

[Fata Morgana]

Ha, one of the more hilarious glitches is that during the Kolyat mission, when you're talking to Thane over the radio, Shep's lips sync to Thane's dialog. So creepy!

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

That is bizarre J. I had a glitchy version on my xbox (including an infuriating one where I got stuck in the clinic on Omega >.>) But I never had that...

I also have quite a thing for Feron. As bad as it sounds, it seems I genuinely have a thing for the guys who are victims of tragedy and have been through a lot. But they still fight through their difficult times.

Thane would never EVER agree to use Kolyat in anyway for his own health. Even if Kolyat had died by unrelated means, I don't think Thane would ever 'desecrate' his son's body in that way. Like Hedgepath explained a few pages back, it seems that a lung transplant would be biologically difficult (if not impossible.)

I think it would be more plausible Thane's fate was the result of a choice. For example, Mordin could offer to work on one last thing for Shepard (maybe before he passes away from old age, which would make me very sad.) He could provide a permanent upgrade for Shepard, make a combat drone or robot that could serve as a (sort of) squadmate. He could cure the genophage. Come up with a prototype that would be effective against the reapers. Work on something to help the quarians acclimatise to a new homeworld. Or cure Keprel's syndrome.

Alternatively, as Nightcobra suggested, Thane could have his lungs replaced with synthetics and perhaps tech used from the collector base. Or a breathing mechanism could be used to prolong his life.

Of course, using an idea from a fanfiction I've read, the facilities could be used from the Lazarus project could be used to cure Thane or implant him with artificial lungs. I mean, you see that cybernetics are placed within (and sometimes replace organs) Shepard's body.

All these posibilities can be the result of a choice. I don't believe that Thane's death should be canon, but in the eyes of those who don't have Thane as their LI, his death is often expected. And I believe that, given Thane's past, a death scene near the end of the game could be done very emotionally. And then those who want Thane alive can choose to do so as well.

Also, as I have said before, I think it is important to bear in mind that it isn't as simple as Thane dying or Thane being given a magical cure.

Bioware have an imagination, and I am sure they will use it.

[Saberchic]

Fata Morgana wrote...

Ha, one of the more hilarious glitches is that during the Kolyat mission, when you're talking to Thane over the radio, Shep's lips sync to Thane's dialog. So creepy!

Really? I never noticed that. LOL

Zrvan wrote...

I'm not particularly a Thane fan, but I
thought I might ask those who are: assuming for a minute that Mass
Effect's narrative 'rules' follow the same death-defiance present in
Joss Whedon's works -- that is, death can be defeated, but there's
usually some sort of horrible price attached -- what would you be
willing to give up to keep Thane alive and well in ME3?

The only thing that comes to mind for me is when they brought
Buffy back from the dead. They pulled her out of Heaven, so her coming
back to life ended up being more like torture for her. Is that the heaviness of the price you're talking about?

Or is it more like, "will your Shep sacrifice an entire race to save Thane" type of question?

editing to make sure I'm being clear: Are you talking about personal sacrifice or sacrifice on a more galatic level?

As an example that leaps to mind:
You can't use Thane for the first half of the game, because he's being treated and is convalescing.
Or:
Kolyat has to give up a lung. Which might ensure a swifter end for him later, when he gets Kepral's.

Kepral's isn't hereditary. Kolyat may never get it, so I don't think it's inevitable or the best example to try to measure against.

I don't believe that Thane would perform/condone any action that might jepordize his son. That includes the possibility of shortening Kolyat's life through some sort of transplant.

I don't support any method that has any other drell being used as "parts." I don't think Thane would like that either.

I remember when my renegade Shep interrogated Kellum, and Thane said something along the lines of "pure methods get pure results." This makes me think that he would care very much about the ethics of any cure that we may stumble across.

Modifié par Saberchic, 05 août 2011 - 09:30 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I'm sure Thane explains that it isn't hereditary as it is the build up of moisture in the lungs. Also, it only developed when the drell were transported to Kahje because of the climate there. So you're right saberchic. Yet again .

Also, I have realised that this Thane video hasn't been linked in a long time. It is a must favourite for all Thane fans .

[Saberchic]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

I'm sure Thane explains that it isn't hereditary as it is the build up of moisture in the lungs. Also, it only developed when the drell were transported to Kahje because of the climate there. So you're right saberchic. Yet again .

Also, I have realised that this Thane video hasn't been linked in a long time. It is a must favourite for all Thane fans .

Thank the Maker! I thought I had killed this thread.

I have actually never seen this, and I thought I'd seen about all the Thane videos on there. Thanks for posting!

Modifié par Saberchic, 07 août 2011 - 03:14 .

[Saberchic]

Gnas wrote...

Regarding Joss Whedon-esque like similarities in Thane's story...

Buffy's death (BtVS) was more about her journey from heaven back into hell because of the love of her friends. Hence sacrifice.
Cordelia's death and return (Angel) was about choices. One could make the argument about sacrifices but its more about manipulation.
Wash's (Firefly/Serenity) death was just random death. Book's on the other hand was for vengeance.

If anyone else can think of parallels for Thane's story in Joss Whedon's work, I would love to hear them.

I'm not sure how to link these to Thane's story.

I suppose if Thane was dying and saw his first wife and we gave him the cure, making him come back, that would be rough on him. I would probably feel real guilty over that.

As for Thane, I would sacrifice a lot to see him happy and well as long as he was comfortablw with it (I'm talking ethically) and it didn't jepordize my fight with the reapers.

I made a joke to a friend once that if it came down to humanity vs. Garrus, humanity would lose.  LOL
Some people might feel the same about Thane.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Look at my sig for Chuck Norris-esque Garrus jokes Saberchic

It seems that Keprel's didn't exist among drell until they moved to Kahje anyway, or at least, that was the impression I got.

Also, that fanfic that lydlyd linked a while back is AMAZING!

[JECWSU]

I don't think it's hereditary at all. I think all drell are prone to get it if they exposed to a humid climate for a long period of time. Most of Thane's assasssination jobs were probably on Kahje were he wasn't in a climate controlled envioronment. Kolyat probably wasn't exposed to that humid environment for a long period of time the way Thane was. Since he's on the citadel right now he should be fine.

[lydlyd]

>_>

*clears throat nervously*
Ahem.  Here's something NSFW for my fellow Thane fans. Not sure yet if I'm going to post this in my Deviant Art page though.  No naughty bits but someone always gets offended somehow, even if the mature filter is on. So, yeah.

*flees the scene*

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I always love the gifts you bring lydlyd! Very nice...

[JECWSU]

I don't know why they would get offended Lyd. Especially if it's marked as mature.

I think most of us here are always happy to see your Thane art.

Modifié par JECWSU, 08 août 2011 - 04:36 .

[wildannie]

I'm not offended by much **, and am never offended by fanart

**okay I do get ticked off with folks banging on about how Thane must die