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[Niemalna]

obtuse4ngle wrote...

I love Thane but there's one thing about his character that irks me: the whole body/soul separation BS. I'm like, "take responsibility for your actions. You kill people." What if Thane was a rapist? I bet you that "my body does it, not my soul" excuse won't fly.

I'm sorry for bringing it up if it's been addressed before, but I just joined the thread.

Hello.

I actually kind of like that about Thane. Yes, it is kind of... "douchey?" or an "excuse" for him not to live up to his actions to many players. But that's what makes him different. He's got little pieces that are mentally alien as well, since basically all Westerners probably oppose that idea. Garrus, for example, has an extremely human personality with the same kind of moral standing as most paragony Sheps, so only his physical form is alien. That's probably one reason he's so easy to relate to/fall for.

[Niemalna]

I think that they just didn't want to bother designing a different drell/outfit (because their lazy. :/) His was the most easily available model. I wish they'd make more drells though; I'm very interested in seeing the range of their coloring. I still can't decide is Irikah might be goldy/yellowy to match her eyes, or if she's purple since blue (Kolyat) is between purple and green (Thane).

[Cyansomnia]

Thane's philosophy is difficult to understand. He states that reflexes and instinct are actions of the body and not the mind. It's true that our bodies innately respond to danger. This part I can agree with. As for the rest, it's a bit vague. I imagine it's part of a far more complex and circumstantial set of rules that just haven't been explained.

Thane views himself as a weapon, a tool for those that wish to utilize him. These philosophies have been ingrained in him since childhood. I would assume he underwent some brutal mental conditioning, as well as physical training. His religious beliefs aren't just a part of his culture, but also a coping mechanism. This is what intrigues me the most.

It would be difficult to deal with the fact that your role in society is based around taking the lives of others. I highly doubt Thane has ever killed anyone that didn't deserve it. Still, focusing on something else that can give you a sense of peace or alleviate your conscious is a completely normal reaction.

It's not like he had much choice in the matter of becoming an assassin. He was only six years old at the time. If you think about it, he's stuck between a rock and a hard place. Killing is all he knows. Thane had to provide for his family somehow. True, he regrets his past and believes he could have made better choices. This is why he's working so hard to redeem himself when Shepard runs into him in Mass Effect 2.

He isn't being 'douchey', just making the best of what he's been given.  Not to mention values, morality and spiritual beliefs can vary wildly (especially in the case of other species).

I love how complex and interesting this character is. Not to mention I imagine him and my Shepard having a great deal of philosophical debates.

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 19 avril 2012 - 05:20 .

[RShara]

lyss went over this in huge detail once but I can't find the page that she wrote it out on (BSN's search sucks and it was a private group at that). But if you guys see her, hit her up on her thoughts.

Also, Thane basically grew up in a hanar training camp. The thought just makes my heart break.

[JECW]

RShara wrote...

lyss went over this in huge detail once but I can't find the page that she wrote it out on (BSN's search sucks and it was a private group at that). But if you guys see her, hit her up on her thoughts.

Also, Thane basically grew up in a hanar training camp. The thought just makes my heart break.

It is sad when you think about the fact that he didn't have much of a childhood at all. Trained to kill since the age of six. Making his first kill at twelve.

[Tashash]

Thanks for the welcome.

*is tackled by Cosmo* .......Oh wait, that was the other Thane thread

RShara wrote...

lyss went over this in huge detail once but I can't find the page that she wrote it out on (BSN's search sucks and it was a private group at that). But if you guys see her, hit her up on her thoughts.

Also, Thane basically grew up in a hanar training camp. The thought just makes my heart break.

But he does mention that they valued him as a person as well as an investment, and that he became close enough to some of his regular contacts to learn their Soul Names....I dunno, given how he talks about that Hanar and his training it dosent seem as if he was unhappy or isolated, but that's just my opinion.

Modifié par Tashash, 19 avril 2012 - 05:38 .

[RShara]

Oh I know, but it still makes me

[Cyansomnia]

I don't picture him being unhappy or isolated, either. Still, I'm sure the training was grueling.  It was also the only life he knew growing up.  I doubt the Hanar would purposely mistreat any of their students.

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 19 avril 2012 - 05:42 .

[utaker1988]

I have no doubt he went through some torturous mental conditioning and he basically gives some indication of that if you bring him to Grunt's RM. It doesn't trigger often and it's in the sound files but when Jedore starts yammering as soon as you step off the shuttle, he will state that he had to endure such things during his training. I cringed the first time I heard that come out of his mouth. I know if I had to hear someone barking at me day in and day out, I would have killed someone at some point without much thought. And well, he was a kid. It is easier to take a very young mind and mold it to your will, people get most of what they carry in life based on what they were taught at a young age.

Based on that statement he makes alone, I can only imagine how else was trained. He probably was also trained Zevran style and pitted against others. I don't really care to think about what kind of person or people would do things to a child but what other choice is there? Hanar to train adults? At that point it is too late to "brainwash" them. Those who want assassins want them trained, effective and the ability to not question and that you can easily do to someone the younger they are. Sad but true. Even more sad is when he said, "The hanar allowed me to leave their service to raise a family." He didn't have a choice if he was "allowed" to leave.

I still don't fully fathom his beliefs but then again ever since I was a kid I was taught and told, "You are responsible for your actions. Everything you do, you choose to do." Which is opposite what he was raised to believe. Which is why I would never look him in the face, laugh and say, "Do you hear yourself? What kind of crap are you trying to sell? Really? Seriously, you are screwed up. Tell yourself what you want but you are wrong." Maybe because I grew up with so many religions amongst my own family, army brat, that I saw so much, heard so much that I am a bit more open to realizing that there are other beliefs and ways of thinking. Trust me, I saw some really bizarre things but I accepted and never chastised these people for not thinking the way I do.

Modifié par utaker1988, 19 avril 2012 - 05:47 .

[Cyansomnia]

@utaker

I've always believed it's better to understand people, rather than change them. You don't have to necessarily agree with their view. It's about respecting someone for who they are and the choices they make. Everyone has to do what is right for themselves, in the end.

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 19 avril 2012 - 06:16 .

[utaker1988]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

@utaker

I've always believed it's better to understand people, rather than change them. You don't have to necessarily agree with their view. It's about respecting someone for who they are and the choices they make. Everyone has to do what is right for themselves, in the end.

As do I, I would no sooner change someone or attempt do so.  I don't like it done to me.  I don't agree on many views but I'll still listen to them.  I tell people all the time if they want to talk religion or politics, "I will listen, I will probably not agree but I will be respectful and open-minded unless your goal is to try and change my thoughts and beliefs.  It will be at that point, I will get up and leave."    Sometimes the conversation ends there.

[Padt]

You know, perhaps it's just me, but I've always been under the impression that when Thane speaks of not being responsible for some of his actions (e.g., his assassinations), he's not (just) speaking of a religious or philosophical rationalization to absolve himself of any sins he might commit, but of a fully realized aspect of drell biology. Admittedly, it's something that only becomes a bit more clear if you take some Renegade dialogue choices while speaking to him about it, but given the way he words himself during that discussion ("drell minds are different from human minds", and "not every action performed by my body is the result of conscious choices. I take responsibility for those that are"), I do sort of get the sense that as a result of the way drell brains and nervous systems are "wired", their bodies will sometimes quite literally carry out tasks (complex tasks, even, such as assassinations) without receiving any kind of conscious direction or input from the mind.

Admittedly, I also had to engage in a fair bit of speculation to explain that conclusion, but given what we know about the drell from the games, I think it makes a certain amount of sense. We know from the codex that the reason drell have super-eidetic memories is because they hail from an extremely arid world, which meant that during their development as a species it became imperative for them to be able to perfectly recall the location of any and every possible resource at their disposal (be it food, a source of potable water, or what have you). But as Thane explains, the downside to super-eidetic memory is that a drell may sometimes lose himself in the solipsistic state of memory recall, during which they may find themselves incapacitated due to being unable to recognize reality. We don't know how often or for how long a drell may find themselves unable to function in this way, but given that Thane seems to go into an involuntary memory recall at least once per conversation with Shepard, it may be surmised that it occurs very frequently.

So, given that drell can often and easily become incapacitated due to their ability to relive memories in incredibly vivid detail, it makes sense (to me) that evolutionary imperative would also grant drell biology the ability to function independently of the conscious state of the mind. So that, for example, if a drell finds himself face to face with a predator while incapacitated by a memory recall, the body may still function by itself so that it can fight or flee in order to protect itself. Or if, say, a memory recall keeps a drell from feeding themselves, the body will automatically seek out nourishment in order to keep itself from starving. *That*, I think, is what Thane refers to when he says that not every action he performs is a result of conscious decision, thus rendering him unaccountable for the consequences of that action. He did not direct his body to carry out the action because he couldn't, so his body performed it by itself. The wrinkle here is that Thane often speaks about these manners in a religious or philosophical context, so the explanation becomes a bit muddled, and gives the impression that Thane simply doesn't believe he is responsible for any of his actions.

I hope that made some sense. It makes sense in my mind, at least. In the past, I've also speculated a bit about how this possible aspect of drell biology shapes the professional relationship between drell assassins such as Thane and hanar contract men, but I've probably rambled incoherently long enough at this point.

Modifié par Padt, 19 avril 2012 - 06:50 .

[blueshepard]

utaker1988 wrote...

Aislinn Trista wrote...

@utaker

I've always believed it's better to understand people, rather than change them. You don't have to necessarily agree with their view. It's about respecting someone for who they are and the choices they make. Everyone has to do what is right for themselves, in the end.

As do I, I would no sooner change someone or attempt do so.  I don't like it done to me.  I don't agree on many views but I'll still listen to them.  I tell people all the time if they want to talk religion or politics, "I will listen, I will probably not agree but I will be respectful and open-minded unless your goal is to try and change my thoughts and beliefs.  It will be at that point, I will get up and leave."    Sometimes the conversation ends there.

Respect is one of the most important things in friendship, love or just in meeting people. And it is in fact the thing which really gets lost a lot these days.

That's also the point I really loved the talks in ME2 with him. Shep is actually listening to him, ask him about his past, but never FORCED him to anything. I loved how she acted here, and that was in fact also a big reason why I really felt in love with him the way I do. They just fit perfectly like real soul mates should. It was in fact difficult to accept anything he said for me too, first of all I wanted to ask him more, just to understand his attitude better than I was doing it until this point. But as soon as I talked to him moreoften I came to the point that I needn't some more explanation at all. In fact he "was made" by the hanar, trained as a weapon and never knew something else until a certain point. But he "developed" and lied down his past life without regretting it. How many people have the strength to break through the only life they knew. And I loved how the relationship developed. Slowly, in some way really quiet and yes, I just loved it ^^ Sry quite dificult to explain for me I hope you understand....

And YES, Blue really feels forced from Kaidan in ME3. I don't love this guy. He should leave my FemShep alone....

Modifié par yamainu1984, 19 avril 2012 - 09:02 .

[Emeraldfern]

Hmm on the topic of Thane's training...

I vaguely remember the things he say when brought to Pragia (Yes I know that super humid planet, felt really bad about bringing him there)

Just as you enter the facility where the containers are he says something like this: "They kept children in here?" his voice sounds borderline terrified at the thought, now that could be because he is father himself, but I always thought it also had something to do with his training. Further in the mission (when you reach the sleeping quarters) I *think* he says "This is disquieting". That lead me to believe that his own training was indeed grueling, but not in the same way that Jack's conditioning was.

[Verly]

Thane's separation of "body and mind" did not bother me any more then the Krogan's explaining bloodrage and why sometimes their minds do not work right under stressful situations. I think it is a "real" biological difference of the Drell mind.
Rape is a totally different thing. That is an act of power and violence over another person. That kind of personal violence *would* effect Thane or any other Drell, because it is not an act a senescent mind can do without thought.

Thane was conditioned to kill since he was 6. he also explained that the deaths of his wife's killers weigh on his conscience because he went out of his way to kill them..and apparently took his time with it as well. The other deaths were contracts. he had no feelings of malice or power over those people.

I get his explanation too; while playing this game..I have accidentally fired at... Leigen, and probably Garrus as well, because I saw geth or a "blue sun" and hit the trigger without thought.

[Moira-chan]

yamainu1984 wrote...

utaker1988 wrote...

Aislinn Trista wrote...

@utaker

I've always believed it's better to understand people, rather than change them. You don't have to necessarily agree with their view. It's about respecting someone for who they are and the choices they make. Everyone has to do what is right for themselves, in the end.

As do I, I would no sooner change someone or attempt do so.  I don't like it done to me.  I don't agree on many views but I'll still listen to them.  I tell people all the time if they want to talk religion or politics, "I will listen, I will probably not agree but I will be respectful and open-minded unless your goal is to try and change my thoughts and beliefs.  It will be at that point, I will get up and leave."    Sometimes the conversation ends there.

Respect is one of the most important things in friendship, love or just in meeting people. And it is in fact the thing which really gets lost a lot these days.

That's also the point I really loved the talks in ME2 with him. Shep is actually listening to him, ask him about his past, but never FORCED him to anything. I loved how she acted here, and that was in fact also a big reason why I really felt in love with him the way I do. They just fit perfectly like real soul mates should. It was in fact difficult to accept anything he said for me too, first of all I wanted to ask him more, just to understand his attitude better than I was doing it until this point. But as soon as I talked to him moreoften I came to the point that I needn't some more explanation at all. In fact he "was made" by the hanar, trained as a weapon and never knew something else until a certain point. But he "developed" and lied down his past life without regretting it. How many people have the strength to break through the only life they knew. And I loved how the relationship developed. Slowly, in some way really quiet and yes, I just loved it ^^ Sry quite dificult to explain for me I hope you understand....

And YES, Blue really feels forced from Kaidan in ME3. I don't love this guy. He should leave my FemShep alone....

it was the same for me. First I heard about his moral and about this sperating, i was quite confused, because i thought like Shepard. He decided if  he wanted to kill his victim. But this was just the first moment. After he explained it, i have to say (to quote tali) "i understand. it's not my view, but i can understand."  it was another starting point of "catching" moral, but it also work.
Moral is made out of attitudes define by society. It's just natural, that there is never the same acception. It's normal, that Drell, who are so different from humans, that they got a different impression of moral
Moral is nothing fixed, we cannot say that our point of view is the only one, which is right. It's with religion actually. There is no black and white, no right or wrong- it all depends on the situation and the view. everything is just grey.
And his different immaginations are one aspect which made thane so interessting for me

[Avalie-2]

Thanks for the welcome coldwetn0se .

Haha..I'm a PS3 owner so I haven't played ME1 :/..but I didn't like Liara in ME2, she annoyed me lol..but halfway through ME3 I found her to be tolerable..except when she barged into Shep's cabin O.o. Wish there was a renegade option for Shep to say "Get out..and quit stealing my boxes of tissues!" Hehe

Anyways..

Thanks for the booze and cholocate haven't had either in a while . *Takes them and goes back to lurking*.

[obtuse4ngle]

Ok, if Thane has adopted this attitude as a result of his upbringing in order to "cope" with things, that makes sense. I still feel he's wrong because when in the end, he's still the one making the choice to pull the trigger.

@Moira-chan, this opens a whole new can of "morals and ethics" discussion. And those are never pretty.

@RShara Thanks. I'll try to find lyss' argument.

[Moira-chan]

obtuse4ngle wrote...

Ok, if Thane has adopted this attitude as a result of his upbringing in order to "cope" with things, that makes sense. I still feel he's wrong because when in the end, he's still the one making the choice to pull the trigger.

@Moira-chan, this opens a whole new can of "morals and ethics" discussion. And those are never pretty.

@RShara Thanks. I'll try to find lyss' argument.

maybe it's not pretty for everyone, maybe it's not the easiest thing to discuss, but moral is always just a thing of opinion. even every human has another view of moral. you have another point of view than me. moral and personality are formed from education, society, personal experiences and at leat a bit of genes.
i actually don't get the feeling that he's wrong, even if i was first confused and found it a strange view, but when he explained it to me, i really get his point and can deal with it, even if it is not my personal point of view and i have to give yamainu right, that i really love the way how respectfull shepard reacted then. she was interested, and also lay down her point of view, but she never forced him to see that it is wrong

[Visii]

LIA Project 2: The Tribute is really coming together. But we still need help!
We're gathering letters, fanart and screenshots and sending it to Bioware, to show our appreciation of the characters and the desire for additional romantic content. Please see this thread for more details:

http://social.biowar.../index/11315889

Letter Contributions

ShepxThane: 9
ShepxMiranda: 6
ShepxJacob: 2
ShepxSamara: 5
ShepxJack: 1
ShepxKelly: 1

ShepxAshley: 2
ShepxKaidan: 3
ShepxVega: 1


Art Contributions:

ShepxThane: 78
ShepxMiranda: 25
ShepxSamara: 20
ShepxJack: 17
ShepxJacob: 5
ShepxKelly: 4

ShepxGarrus: 14
ShepxAshley: 19
ShepxKaidan: 19
ShepxTali: 2
ShepxVega: 1

Deadline for submissions is the 25th, so if you really want to participate and show support for your favorite LI(s), there's still time left!

Modifié par Visii, 19 avril 2012 - 02:24 .

[utaker1988]

Avalie-2 wrote...

Thanks for the welcome coldwetn0se .

Haha..I'm a PS3 owner so I haven't played ME1 :/..but I didn't like Liara in ME2, she annoyed me lol..but halfway through ME3 I found her to be tolerable..except when she barged into Shep's cabin O.o. Wish there was a renegade option for Shep to say "Get out..and quit stealing my boxes of tissues!" Hehe

Anyways..

Thanks for the booze and cholocate haven't had either in a while . *Takes them and goes back to lurking*.

Welcome Avalie.  I find Liara tolerable at best, I could do without her on my ship but that can be said about anyone really.  I normally pick two favorites and take them with me everywhere.  That normally leaves everyone else on the ship doing nothing but occupying a room. ME it was Wrex and Garrus.  ME2 it was Thane and Jack.  ME3 it was Javik and James (I needed a meat tank).  I really wish Thane could have been a squadmate in 3, I have a burning desire to have Thane and Javik with me all the time.  Especially with Hope, that way I could get some laughs out of having a calm and morality guided Thane with me along with the two biggest trolls in the galaxy (Javik and Hope).

Hope, Javik, and Thane on a mission:
Javik:  So Drell, you say your body is separate from your mind?
Thane:  Yes Javik, that is what we believe.
Javik:  How does that work?  Seems to advanced for such a primitive race. 
Thane:  We are not primitive, we have been around for centuries.  It is in our biology, our beliefs.  (Goes on to explain the separation of mind and body.)
Javik:  That is interesting.  Now are you telling me that you do not make a conscious choice to kill someone?
Thane:  Not always.  While I was an assassin, I accepted my contracts and executed them because it was what my body was trained to do.  When I hunted my wife's killers, I made the choice to do that.
Javik:  That makes no sense to me.
Thane:  How does it not make sense?
Javik:  You accepted the contract.  Am I to assume you read it first?  Then you decided to do it?  You must have.  That sounds like knowing and choosing to me.
Thane:  Drell minds are different, I've tried to explain it to you.  You have no desire to understand.
Javik:  Yes I do desire to understand.  Ok, let's say I understand your logic Drell, if I pulled out my gun right now and shot you, I would not be responsible?
Thane:  Yes you would be because you chose to do it.  If I reached for my weapon and shot you, I would be acting in self defense.
Javik:  What if I was contracted to kill you?  Then would I still be choosing and held responsible?
Thane:  I suppose not.
Javik:  Still makes no sense to me.  Is this why your race was going extinct?  Because of the mangled mess of logic you have?
Thane: Overpopulation, they started killing each other over food, water, resources.
Javik:  At least they can go to their Gods with a clean conscious then, if what you say is true.
Thane:  I sense sarcasm Javik.  You do not have to agree with me but do not mock my beliefs or race.
Javik:  Let's get back to overpopulation.  First you were nearly going extinct because of it, now you have very few of you left living on Kahje and what do you plan to do about it?  Just die off on a planet your body cannot adapt too?  Doesn't sound logical to me.
Thane:  The Hanar are working on a way to adapt us.  I am only lucky to be standing here because of a treatment.   That will help us once we get Kepral's but it will not stop it.  
Javik:  The Hanar?  They worship us.  Primitives trying to save other primitives, does the madness ever stop in this cycle.
Thane:  Javik, your insults to me and my race are getting tiring.
Javik:  How do you plan to fix the now underpopulation of your race?
Thane:  Well, I'm not going to do it myself.  I'm not populating the entire drell race.  My people are doing that through obvious methods.
Javik:  You are not helping your people.
Thane:  How do you figure?
Javik:  You and the Commander.  Cross species mating is pointless.
Hope:  Enough you two or you'll both stay on the ship next time.

Modifié par utaker1988, 19 avril 2012 - 02:41 .

[mythlover20]

Hi Everyone.

I've been reading all the posts and I have to say that I agree with, well, all of you it seems, regarding Thane's moral philosophies. So instead of repeating you all, I'm going to show you the new men in my life.

In fact, I have Three Thane's in my life:

This one:


This one:


And now, THIS ONE!


Isn't he purdy!

Also, and the real point of this post, I'm working on the introduction of the introduction to the Thane Fanbook, and I have an idea for it, so could you please let me know what your/your Shepard's expectations about Thane before his RM and then their/your reaction to him during his RM? I've got mine, but I was wondering how similiar our experiences were. I may be able to use it and write something that we can all relate to.

[Thrazesul]

Shepenwepet wrote...

Nerana wrote...]


I was playing as a Drell vanguard the other day in multiplayer (A drell named Thane and with black clothes)

He got stabbed through the gut by a phantom.

I nearly screamed at the screen. >.>

And the rest of your team stood there and watched, right? They didn't even try to help you by firing at the phantom?

And then the next wave started and you lost connection to the server and you dropped off the face of the earth?

Nah, I was trying to revive someone while someone else distracted the phantom but she decided I was a better target and swooped around and stabbed me. D: I just found the irony that even a MP Thane gets stabbed in the gut by a sword... annoying. xD


I have no problems with the MP myself, it's the only thing that hasn't made me straight out remove ME3 from my computer. Well, that and Javik.

[sunnie7699]

utaker1988 wrote...

Avalie-2 wrote...

Thanks for the welcome coldwetn0se .

Haha..I'm a PS3 owner so I haven't played ME1 :/..but I didn't like Liara in ME2, she annoyed me lol..but halfway through ME3 I found her to be tolerable..except when she barged into Shep's cabin O.o. Wish there was a renegade option for Shep to say "Get out..and quit stealing my boxes of tissues!" Hehe

Anyways..

Thanks for the booze and cholocate haven't had either in a while . *Takes them and goes back to lurking*.

Welcome Avalie.  I find Liara tolerable at best, I could do without her on my ship but that can be said about anyone really.  I normally pick two favorites and take them with me everywhere.  That normally leaves everyone else on the ship doing nothing but occupying a room. ME it was Wrex and Garrus.  ME2 it was Thane and Jack.  ME3 it was Javik and James (I needed a meat tank).  I really wish Thane could have been a squadmate in 3, I have a burning desire to have Thane and Javik with me all the time.  Especially with Hope, that way I could get some laughs out of having a calm and morality guided Thane with me along with the two biggest trolls in the galaxy (Javik and Hope).

Hope, Javik, and Thane on a mission:
Javik:  So Drell, you say your body is separate from your mind?
Thane:  Yes Javik, that is what we believe.
Javik:  How does that work?  Seems to advanced for such a primitive race. 
Thane:  We are not primitive, we have been around for centuries.  It is in our biology, our beliefs.  (Goes on to explain the separation of mind and body.)
Javik:  That is interesting.  Now are you telling me that you do not make a conscious choice to kill someone?
Thane:  Not always.  While I was an assassin, I accepted my contracts and executed them because it was what my body was trained to do.  When I hunted my wife's killers, I made the choice to do that.
Javik:  That makes no sense to me.
Thane:  How does it not make sense?
Javik:  You accepted the contract.  Am I to assume you read it first?  Then you decided to do it?  You must have.  That sounds like knowing and choosing to me.
Thane:  Drell minds are different, I've tried to explain it to you.  You have no desire to understand.
Javik:  Yes I do desire to understand.  Ok, let's say I understand your logic Drell, if I pulled out my gun right now and shot you, I would not be responsible?
Thane:  Yes you would be because you chose to do it.  If I reached for my weapon and shot you, I would be acting in self defense.
Javik:  What if I was contracted to kill you?  Then would I still be choosing and held responsible?
Thane:  I suppose not.
Javik:  Still makes no sense to me.  Is this why your race was going extinct?  Because of the mangled mess of logic you have?
Thane: Overpopulation, they started killing each other over food, water, resources.
Javik:  At least they can go to their Gods with a clean conscious then, if what you say is true.
Thane:  I sense sarcasm Javik.  You do not have to agree with me but do not mock my beliefs or race.
Javik:  Let's get back to overpopulation.  First you were nearly going extinct because of it, now you have very few of you left living on Kahje and what do you plan to do about it?  Just die off on a planet your body cannot adapt too?  Doesn't sound logical to me.
Thane:  The Hanar are working on a way to adapt us.  I am only lucky to be standing here because of a treatment.   That will help us once we get Kepral's but it will not stop it.  
Javik:  The Hanar?  They worship us.  Primitives trying to save other primitives, does the madness ever stop in this cycle.
Thane:  Javik, your insults to me and my race are getting tiring.
Javik:  How do you plan to fix the now underpopulation of your race?
Thane:  Well, I'm not going to do it myself.  I'm not populating the entire drell race.  My people are doing that through obvious methods.
Javik:  You are not helping your people.
Thane:  How do you figure?
Javik:  You and the Commander.  Cross species mating is pointless.
Hope:  Enough you two or you'll both stay on the ship next time.

Wow, that's incredible! I can just imagine their voice actors even voicing these lines actually But do you think Thane would have told Javik about Irikah?

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sunnie7699 wrote...


Wow, that's incredible! I can just imagine their voice actors even voicing these lines actually But do you think Thane would have told Javik about Irikah?

Ok, let's say he does and mind you, Javik is a troll his opinions are his own and not mine.

Javik:  Drell, earlier you mentioned you hunted your wife's killers.
Thane:  Yes, I did.  Is this leading somewhere?  Could you call me Thane or Krios something other than Drell?
Javik:  No I do not wish too, Drell.  Why was she killed?  
Thane:  She was killed by batarian slavers, I had assassinated their leaders.
Javik:  Your job led to her death.  Interesting.  Why was she exposed?  Would a good assassin not keep their family hidden?
Thane:  I became complacent, I left them alone too long.  I made a mistake.
Javik:  That you did, must be that wonderful drell logic your race is known for.
Thane:  Javik, I am getting tired of your insults.
Javik:  Merely adding a truthful observation.  You said them?  You had more than one wife?
Thane:  No, I had one wife and a son.
Javik:  So, you left your wife AND son unprotected?  I am having some serious problems with you right now.
Thane:  As I am with you.
Javik:  You expect me to trust you will look out for me on the battlefield?  You did not protect ones you claimed to love?  I cannot wait to see what happens to me.
Thane:  Javik, I did not leave them unprotected on purpose.  I never thought anyone would come for them.  Trust me, you will come to no harm as long as Shepard wants you around.
Javik:  I am to trust a man who left his family.  Tell me why I should not shoot you dead right now.
Thane:  That would be suicide.  I am sure Shepard would kill you where you stand if you did.
Javik:  I question her logic at the moment.  Why she would be with a man who left his family unprotected is beyond my scope of comprehension.
Thane:  That is my past, I made mistakes, and I have learned from them.  Why is her logic in question?
Javik:  Do you love her?  Like you loved your wife?
Thane:  Do you ever answer a question?  Yes, I love her.  
Javik:  Yes I answer questions but your answers always end up requiring more questions.  Answer the other one.  Do you love her like you loved your wife?
Thane:  I am in love with her, yes.  The love I feel for her is different than what I felt for Irikah.  It is not fair to compare the two.
Javik:  You dance around my questions, Drell, my patience is wearing thin.  Try this.  Would you ever ask her to be your wife?  Do you love her like that?
Thane:  Javik, that is rather personal.  Why would I answer that to you if it is something I have not discussed with her?
Javik:  So the answer is no then, you do not love the Commander as you did your wife.
Thane: I did not say that.
Javik: You don't consider her marriage material.  It is just pleasure of the skin then?  I suppose she is lucky.
Thane:  I never said any of those things and no she is more than that.  If you insist, if we were in better circumstances, not in war, I would consider committing myself to her.
Javik:  Well, she's not as lucky as I thought.
Thane:  What does that mean?
Javik:  You loved your wife, you left her alone and she died.  I can only imagine Shepard would suffer the same fate.  I wouldn't want your kind of love.
Thane:  You really are a jerk.
Javik:  /trollface.jpg