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[JECWSU]

So we can all be miserable together.

I really hope not. I really hope we are not dissapointed with whatever they have planned.

[wildannie]

Canon deaths of any of LIs would mess with replay value for many people and would certainly ****** me off.  

If Mordin (my favourite non LI character by far) has a canon death... I will cry, but it wouldn't ruin the experience.  If Thane (or even Kaidan) have canon deaths I'll be gutted, I want to feel good at the end of ME3
... is that so wrong??

[JECWSU]

No you are not wrong, because I would feel the same way. If they gave Thane a canon death I would be very upset, and would not be able to enjoy ME3.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

It has always been in the nature of recent Bioware games to give the players a choice when it comes to things like this. So I sincerely hope that his death won't be canon.

I think that when it says ME3 will make you cry, that it will be in regards to the different races that you help, and who you concentrate on which causes another race to be wiped out or nearly destroyed.

And I think that the save some races and lose the others thing can also be included into the sad things that will happen that isn't up to the player. However, I think that it makes a game all the more powerful. Although I may be in the minority, I think that the Ultimate Sacrifice in DA:O was a very powerful ending (especially if Zevran was your LI.)

If Thane's death becomes canon, then I will still replay the game, as long as they make it a bittersweet death, I think it will be done well, but I would much rather that he lived in some way or another, or that his fate was left to a decision made by Shepard.

[Tinve]

When I was at the crash site of Normandy, I was crying. It was good. When I see the death of a beloved character, I was crying too. This is bad.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Video games/films/books don't make me cry (almost always. One book has made me cry before, that's it!)

But Thane's romance scene really made the emotion well up. Same with Garrus RM. Tali's LM. And the Collector Mission. Bioware can make the emotional scenes, there is no doubt about it. But if they do a death scene with Thane (which I hope they won't make canon!) Then hopefully they can make it bittersweet as opposed to NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

[JECWSU]

That never happens to me. Only t.v., film or books have actually made me cry. I have never cried while playing a video game. Normandy crash site was sad, but it didn't make me cry. Nothing in ME1 or 2 ever made me cry.
If they made Thane's death canon that would probably make me cry. That is something I don't want to see. I'm really hoping that they give us a choice.

[Plakto]

If they kill off all the characters or otherwise make everyone besides garrus and Tali die/suffer some horrible irreversible fate - I will pick up my playstation, toss it in a bag of flaming dog poo and hurl it all Bioware HQ.

They can't make a characters death canon - they just CAN'T.

[wildannie]

I don't think I've actually cried at a game before although I've definitely been close in Dragon Age a couple of times.

I never cry at Virmire when choosing Kaidan and I didn't cry on my first playthrough when Wrex died, but if it had been canon I would have been very unhappy.

@Tasha I'm pretty sure it would be impossible for BW to write a canon death for Thane that would not make me go NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

@Plakto... that's taking it a bit far!

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Garrus and Tali are two of my favourites. It has actually been speculated a lot that Garrus may die in ME3. But I sure hope not, that WOULD make me cry. But making Thane die as canon wouldn't be fair to other LI's. I know he is terminally ill, and that we went into the relationship despite that, but it is realistic to expect that there would be some way to prevent that illness from killing him.

[Plakto]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Garrus and Tali are two of my favourites. It has actually been speculated a lot that Garrus may die in ME3. But I sure hope not, that WOULD make me cry. But making Thane die as canon wouldn't be fair to other LI's. I know he is terminally ill, and that we went into the relationship despite that, but it is realistic to expect that there would be some way to prevent that illness from killing him.

I should have explained myself better. I don't want anyone to die. Anyone at all. Tali, garrus, Kasumi, mordin, Wrex, Grunt, Zaeed, Donnely...that guy in the staff room who was worried about his family, I wamt to save everyone I possibly can. I know that the Reaper threat is supposed to be severe and that this is impossible, but I can't overlook character death. Cannonly killing a character - no matter how popular, is just lain wrong. If you must atleast allow it to be player influenced.

Why can't we get a DA choice like with Alister where we either had to toss him to the archdemon or make him a baby-daddy. x_x I willing to make sacrifices, but don't kill off characters, especially LIs. I don't want to lose my Shepard's LI, I don't want anyone else to lose theirs either.

Don't do this bioware. Don't.

[Enmystic]

Plakto wrote...

I should have explained myself better. I don't want anyone to die. Anyone at all. Tali, garrus, Kasumi, mordin, Wrex, Grunt, Zaeed, Donnely...that guy in the staff room who was worried about his family, I wamt to save everyone I possibly can. I know that the Reaper threat is supposed to be severe and that this is impossible, but I can't overlook character death. Cannonly killing a character - no matter how popular, is just lain wrong. If you must atleast allow it to be player influenced.

Why can't we get a DA choice like with Alister where we either had to toss him to the archdemon or make him a baby-daddy. x_x I willing to make sacrifices, but don't kill off characters, especially LIs. I don't want to lose my Shepard's LI, I don't want anyone else to lose theirs either.

Don't do this bioware. Don't.

I think there is going to be death in ME3.  I don't know who, but I don't want it forced on squad mates, current or past.  I would like a reward in ME3, like in ME2 almost, for getting everyone out alive.  What I'm more confused about is why do people think that the story of ME3 won't mean anything if Shepard or squadmates don't die.  I'm tired of this grimdark mentality that a story can't be meaningful unless someone dies. DX

I also find it irritating that some of discussion of ME3 consists of "whose going to die" or "who should die" threads.  I agree with Tasha that it wouldn't be fair if Thane is the only squad mate with a death ending(do no kill Thane please). 
It's like punishing the player for choosing him in the first place. 
Yes, I knew about his condition previously, but why should that make a
difference.  I want to save Thane and the other characters I've grown close to, why is that so wrong?  .

So ME3 will make us cry, fine.  I've cried at a couple of video games myself, not Mass Effect specifically.  I just don't want to be crying because my favorite characters are dropping like flies. >_>

[Enmystic]

@gnas
What are you talking about? I got lost after Dead Space. XD

[Plakto]

I don't see how a story is added "depth" and is somehow better when characters that you love are dying and there is nothing you can do about it. IF you insist, Kill some minor character that we meet in ME3 and won't be that broken up over losing, but don't you dare drop my team mates.

If I wanted to go somewhere where I was be a minor character in a massive world and in the grande scheme of things be completely powerless of the life/death of those important to me...I'd just stay in real life and never play video games. Stop submitting to the grim/dark death is cool emo people. j_j

[Enmystic]

@Gnas
*Thinks of Dead Space Downfall* Err...

I was using the phrase more figuratively. XP I just don't want to see characters just dying for "teh dramas", especially in Thane's case. Simply surviving whether it's illness or the Reaper War can be dramatic in itself.

Modifié par Enmystic, 25 août 2011 - 02:44 .

[stysiaq]

^^^^
That's why I can't force myself to loose anyone on the SM. Thane is way too well written to be killed during opening hours of ME. Personally, I don't see any reason in him not getting a lung transplant, if you romanced/did his LM ine ME2, thus extending his lifespan. The whole point of Thane for me is that he is a guy, who does not see any sense in living more than his condition allows him - seeing he failed as a father and husband. Shepard can open his eyes (also, pants) and give him a reason to live again.

In other words: I will be disappointed if Thane dies in his bed in the beginning of ME3.

[abnocte]

I think that not losing anyone during a galactic war would be "unrealistic", but... it's a videogame and since in M2 you can save everybody ( crew and squadmates both ) I don't see any good reason  for not allowing the same in ME3.

I hope if Bioware forces someone's death on us it won't be a squadmate.... even though I think some of the NPCs are way to awesome to lose them....  

Well, let's change topics. I have a reaaaaaaaaaaaaally silly question about Drell.

We know that Drell have perfect memories.
We know that they don't remember their own birth.

So we can assume that their "perfect memory" is something that grows as they reach their adulthood?

Meaning that they don't really remember their first years with much detail.... because, you know, the other day I was with a friend's newborn, being silly and all, and the idea of him remembering in perfect detail all my silliness... well, it must be one hell of awkward "solipsism moment" for Drell... ROLF 

And if they actually remember everything after birth, ( Thane comments on how his memory helped him during his training, and he was 6-12 years old ) how do you think it affects the way adult Drell behave toward children??

[Enmystic]

stysiaq wrote...
That's why I can't force myself to loose anyone on the SM. Thane is way too well written to be killed during opening hours of ME. Personally, I don't see any reason in him not getting a lung transplant, if you romanced/did his LM ine ME2, thus extending his lifespan. The whole point of Thane for me is that he is a guy, who does not see any sense in living more than his condition allows him - seeing he failed as a father and husband. Shepard can open his eyes (also, pants) and give him a reason to live again.

In other words: I will be disappointed if Thane dies in his bed in the beginning of ME3.

You deserve a cookie sir.  I agree completely.  Thane is going to live in all my playthroughs of ME if I can do so.

@Gnas
Dead Space Downfall is the prequel anime. 

@Abnocte
I don't want to lose anyone either, but at the same time...  I just want to see Thane live and to save as many as I can.  Okay, let's get back to more "happy"(<3) talk.

I think that it all depends on when drell actually gain their memory.  Humans usually don't have what we consider a functioning memory until about age 3 or 4, and even then we don't remember too much from our younger years.  Drell probably start remembering much earlier so I would imagine that Drell parents might start teaching their kids earlier since they can recall it.  This probably also means that Drell, parents or not, might have to behave themselves too.  I'm not sure if it's the same with aliens, but children have a tendency to mimic.

This makes me wonder about Drell society too.  Argh, we need Kahje in ME3!

Modifié par Enmystic, 25 août 2011 - 10:41 .

[wildannie]

 I imagine that keeping so many memories in order would be essential for sanity, so I'm sure that accessing and suppressing them would have to be something they have a very strong control over.  
When Thane blurts out his Irikah memory, it's because she was so important, 'vivid', to him, but when talking with shep he also says that he doesn't think he's ever talked to anyone else about her before .

Maybe older and more mundane memories require the drell to think hard to retrieve them, but once retrieved, they would be perfectly clear.  This could minimize embarassment of meeting people as an adult who cooed over you as a child... or maybe they're not easily embarassed amongst their own kind, remembering embarassment would be hideous .