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Cosmochyck

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Ok Jen - I'm trying to help without pissing everyone off. Such a fine line...

*hugs* Dani - hang in there! The fanbook will be awesome and it will be a testament to everyone's (mostly you and Myth) hard work! Thane deserves it, even if we never get any more content. At least we and everyone else will know we tried!!

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 I had replied to that lady that doesn't like miracle cures

genophage=miracle cure/quarian w/o suit in a few years/nothing for drell?logic? #SaveThane

then he says: Genophage and Rannoch were foreshadowed forever. If planned to cure Thane, you'd've heard it.

then he snuck this in while i was writting my reply to the first one(the knife into the heart): Not saying it isn't sad. It hit me hard. But curing Thane wasn't story we wanted to tell.

me: Hanar working on cure isn't foreshadowing? or lung transplants?

saw that horrible thing and said this: maybe you can reconsider. It's only sad because shep doesn't care her LI died. #SaveThane 

him replying to hanar cure and lung transplant thing :Perhaps you listened to a different Thane Investigate than I did.

what does that mean? i didn't get it so i said this: ? just heard what Thane says and the LOTSB dossier about lung transplant for him


and he says this: I heard Thane say a cure was a long ways off, and he wouldn't live to see it.
me:Mordin says genophage cure is years away as well
him:And then two long missions explaining what changed.
me: no reason things can't change for the drell then :) think of the potential war assets

uh about shep not caring
he said this:Not caring is other issue, one I'd love to address if it fits somewhere.
me:shows no emotion that he's gone/never says she loves him/when you lose people you're sad
me:The crew doesn't say anything to her or mention him/they fought with Thane too.
me:would have been nice for her remember him before cerb/base/ Keythe read LOTSB letter

while I was writing those he said this and was gone..guess didn't want to discuss shep not caring after all.
he says this: I'm sorry that it makes you sad, but I don't think we heavily foreshadowed a cure.


i just..*sigh* i hope i did ok..
*edit* for horrible jumbled mess

Modifié par Jenlocks, 22 mai 2012 - 06:58 .


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coldwetn0se wrote...

So this begs the question then; do we stop? I know that sounds...I don't know....final, but there it is. They kept their careful/careless words for months, and now they are finally admitting that they wanted Thane to die. (artistic integrity again??) So where do we go from here? If they have no intention of giving us anything more, which IS there prerogative, then do we continue to spend our time (and with some of you lovely Thanemancers, money) on these projects? As I have stated (obnoxiously so) before, I have not played the game since March. 7th. Never finished a play through. Do not intend to under these circumstances, and most CERTAINLY will not spend anymore money on the ME IP. Never played/nor will play MP.

My only thought is......does BW "close" the door on Thanes character; on us. It is something to ponder, albiet a depressing one.

Sorry for being so abrupt in this.....it is simple a gut reaction, as I am sure many of you are having right now as well. :(


Three months of my life were put into this book - it really got creepy great after all this time, and after all this I am really asking myself very seriously: if I send it to them will they lay it down because anything, which this book represents, is what they have not planned for him. Lot of people are in this book and I will send it to them (just thinking now if I really should adress it directly to Hudson) because people are expecting this and I really owe this to any single one of you because you are the best fanbase I got to know.

I will wait on their reaction on the book. If noting is changing I am considering my self of giving up in that case. I really believed we can change something. Now it is gone.

Modifié par yamainu1984, 22 mai 2012 - 06:58 .


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Cosmochyck wrote...

Ok Jen - I'm trying to help without pissing everyone off. Such a fine line...

*hugs* Dani - hang in there! The fanbook will be awesome and it will be a testament to everyone's (mostly you and Myth) hard work! Thane deserves it, even if we never get any more content. At least we and everyone else will know we tried!!


Thanks Cosmo :kissing:

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this fanbook is gonna be the greatest thing of all time :D be sure about it. it gonna throw bioware from their chairs like a hurricane :D

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Oh Dani! I really should edit myself better....you have been amazing. Everyone has, and truth be told, I would really like them to reexamine what they are saying (Thank you Jenlock for the Twitter repost). The Fanbook most certainly should be sent, and if you need any help, you have but to ask, my pet!

BTW, for those on twitter, has anyone ever said (in regards to Thane dying is the story they wanted to tell)something along the lines of:
'....and another optional story, in a game of choices, is out of the realm of possibilities??'

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Gn...RL decided to take me away this evening....

But don't lose hope everyone!

Dani, the fanbook won't be ignored, if they even think of "putting it somewhere" then the twitter storm consisting with "Did you guys see the fanbook of 300+ pages full of Thane?" will blow them over. Trust me. I won't be quiet on that front.

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@coldi-that's a good one to tweet him..i don't know if i should tweet him again or wait a little while...someone else should also tweet that list of foreshadow things..i couldn't remember them all

what a bad day to be out of Neck Snap!!
(I know i've got a flask of soco for mother's day laying around here somewhere...)

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coldwetn0se wrote...

Oh Dani! I really should edit myself better....you have been amazing. Everyone has, and truth be told, I would really like them to reexamine what they are saying (Thank you Jenlock for the Twitter repost). The Fanbook most certainly should be sent, and if you need any help, you have but to ask, my pet!

BTW, for those on twitter, has anyone ever said (in regards to Thane dying is the story they wanted to tell)something along the lines of:
'....and another optional story, in a game of choices, is out of the realm of possibilities??'


*hehe* Pet - now I liked that one xD If I translate this one to one into german language it could sound a bit.... yeah we shouldn't talk about that xD Riiiiiiiidges incoming here xD

I know what you were saying hon <3<3 No need to edit yourself. I just wanted to say: if there is no reaction on the book at all I won't give a nother 3 months of my life into a time eating project like that xD We will do the Thaneopoly for ourselves then! Ha! You hear me Bioware! No Monopoly for you :P Dooooooooon't worry you are helping me soooooo much without knowing you can't imagine at all <3

@Jen: thanks for the fight. This twitter thing hates me I just don't understand it -.- Screw it. Your fight was great your answeres the love! Amazing job here!

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Emeraldfern wrote...

Gn...RL decided to take me away this evening....

But don't lose hope everyone!

Dani, the fanbook won't be ignored, if they even think of "putting it somewhere" then the twitter storm consisting with "Did you guys see the fanbook of 300+ pages full of Thane?" will blow them over. Trust me. I won't be quiet on that front.


<3<3<3 *hugs*

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I mentioned the fact that in ME3 he says he was given 3 months to live 9 months ago - so clearly "beating the odds" already - cure could be around corner? Option at least?

And is there anyone else we can include? I feel bad for Patrick - he didn't write Thane and it's not his responsibility to keep answering us - although I do appreciate that at least he answers. Poor guy. If they hadn't written Thane to be so awesome in the first place, they would not be in this situation!! :)

Dani - the book is going to amazing. Epic. We will not go quietly. We will not be forgotten!

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Do we know at least who wrote him (in ME3)? I mean no need to flame this guy at all (erm wait a moment......... perhaps I could think of one reason xD) but it would be great to be able to address someone who really is responsible now. Well ok I really imagine it will be hard for him/her to step in here and say: I was that guy you should blame xD No seriously, who told us at the beginning that they forgot about Thane in the writing process? Wasn't it Patrick Weekes?

Thanks Cosmo <3 I really hope the internet will work again soon for Myth. Because I really get the intention that she is getting crazy at the moment xD I reall imagine her running through her living room. shouting: sooooo much work I need to do this and that and Dani still didn't send me everything for proofreading and I have no time anymore and.....xD Yeah that really could be xD

Modifié par yamainu1984, 22 mai 2012 - 07:21 .


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 @yamainu -thanks!

Even after all that i'm still holding out hope. If we make logical responses to all their craziness maybe we can break them..instead of the other way around.

Yes Curing Thane might not have been the story they wanted to tell but what's stopping them from telling it now..there's a demand for it..a demand for the option. Why would they turn down another source of money? If they truely thought no one would care and everyone would applaud the ridiculousness of his death then they need a wakeup call..Our wake up call. He didn't say NO THANE DLC yet...so there is hope.:wizard:

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Jenlocks wrote...

 I had replied to that lady that doesn't like miracle cures

genophage=miracle cure/quarian w/o suit in a few years/nothing for drell?logic? #SaveThane

then he says: Genophage and Rannoch were foreshadowed forever. If planned to cure Thane, you'd've heard it.

then he snuck this in while i was writting my reply to the first one(the knife into the heart): Not saying it isn't sad. It hit me hard. But curing Thane wasn't story we wanted to tell.

me: Hanar working on cure isn't foreshadowing? or lung transplants?

saw that horrible thing and said this: maybe you can reconsider. It's only sad because shep doesn't care her LI died. #SaveThane 

him replying to hanar cure and lung transplant thing :Perhaps you listened to a different Thane Investigate than I did.

what does that mean? i didn't get it so i said this: ? just heard what Thane says and the LOTSB dossier about lung transplant for him


and he says this: I heard Thane say a cure was a long ways off, and he wouldn't live to see it.
me:Mordin says genophage cure is years away as well
him:And then two long missions explaining what changed.
me: no reason things can't change for the drell then :) think of the potential war assets

uh about shep not caring
he said this:Not caring is other issue, one I'd love to address if it fits somewhere.
me:shows no emotion that he's gone/never says she loves him/when you lose people you're sad
me:The crew doesn't say anything to her or mention him/they fought with Thane too.
me:would have been nice for her remember him before cerb/base/ Keythe read LOTSB letter

while I was writing those he said this and was gone..guess didn't want to discuss shep not caring after all.
he says this: I'm sorry that it makes you sad, but I don't think we heavily foreshadowed a cure.


i just..*sigh* i hope i did ok..
*edit* for horrible jumbled mess


I think you did great.
He left because he was wrong and he knew it.
I just love how he made up an excuse for why the Genophage and the Quarians can be cured, but not Thane.It was clear he had no clue what he was talking about. I also don't remember any forshadowing about the quarians immune  system. Tali said it would take about 60 years. Now with the Geth it will happen in a few years.

Modifié par JECW, 22 mai 2012 - 07:25 .


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Visii wrote...

Maybe it shouldn't be past tense?

Want Thane, Won't Settle for Kaidan?


Good idea!

yamainu1984 wrote...

And I lost hope again. Right now and at the moment anything feel senseless.

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They won't see it because it wasn't the plan for him. And the hammer crushes down on me.



And your reaction was exactly why I didn't want to post this here. But I guess I couldn't really stop it from getting around posting it on tumblr. Oh well.

Looking at Weekes comments makes me feel so frustrated. He's one of my favorites and I can see his side of things, but he's missing the point. In my opinion, they have every right to not cure him, however, they instead only focused on making him die which is just sick and twisted when you really think about it.  As my little picture above indicates and what I've said a thousand times, his existence should been more than a death scene. Yeah I've said in the past if he had to die, I wanted to see him go out saving someone's life. But I also said I didn't want to see him in the hospital first thing, never putting up a fight at all. I didn't expect to have one conversation and next time I see him I watch him die. It wasn't bittersweet, it was just bitter and bad story telling.

If you created a character only for killing them off, you've made a worthless NPC, a plot tool. You don't build them up for family, friends, potentially a romance, and involment with the major plot. You don't do that to red shirts. In ME2 they created a wonderful little plot around him, his loyalty mission didn't even need a lot of fighting and people loved him for the story. If they wanted him in a hospital so bad, why not just have a lot of story side stuff involving him? Why does his son suddenly change? Just accepts everything. What made him want to submit himself to a hospital when he seemed so stubborn about it before? What the crap is going on his in life besides dying? We already knew that!


He has no god damn story in ME3 at all. The only reason they brought him back is for shock value, to emotionally engage the player. Like so many other things in the story, there is little real logic behind it. They just wanted to have everyone watch someone die.

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I told him thanks (that's the first time anyone ever responded back like that to anything I tweeted)

thanks for taking time to listen and talk with me about Thane #SaveThane

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Yes Dani - Patrick did say that they forgot about him being a romance (or something to that effect) but it wasn't Patrick specifically that wrote Thane in ME3.  His writer from ME2 left.  :(
And there is always hope!Posted Image  Team Thane!  #SaveThane

Also just in on Twitter - not sure if any of you remember Hainkpe?  She left BSN but just mentioned me & Weekes and said she thinks what we're doing for Thane is awesome and that she hopes something comes of it!!  LOVE her!Posted Image

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Oh man, that pic is great. Someone please tell me that, that pic is going into one (or all) of the many Thane projects floating around???

And please, can I throw that around on twitter?

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Hainkpe just posted this on Twitter:

@cosmochyck @patrickweekes Cos really, that's what a well written character should do. Inspire, bring together, connect people. That's Thane

Hope it helps!! And I love that pic too - should be in ALL the projects!!

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Can someone help me with something?

I want to gather all the Thane/Cure/Hints and start throwing it around Twitter. It'd just be a few in-game moments of convo, and a few screenshots, ne?

Need links to:

-CDN Mention of Medigel for the Lungs.
- That random junk letter, talking about a Drell with Keprals.
-Thane's convo w/Shepard regarding the cure the Hanar are working on.
-Chakwas' medical report.

I'll tweet it to Weekes and maybe some others. Whatcha think?

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Sry Lucky Thirteen I just didn't get the bridge to the BSN with the name, I would have asked instead before I posted it if I got it -.- nargh

So you want in the Fanbook with this? Still editing the thing so I am still able to add some extra pages at all :) If yes would be great if you could PM me :)

@Cosmo: thanks for the info bout that writing stuff <3

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Visii wrote...

Can someone help me with something?

I want to gather all the Thane/Cure/Hints and start throwing it around Twitter. It'd just be a few in-game moments of convo, and a few screenshots, ne?

Need links to:

-CDN Mention of Medigel for the Lungs.
- That random junk letter, talking about a Drell with Keprals.
-Thane's convo w/Shepard regarding the cure the Hanar are working on.
-Chakwas' medical report.

I'll tweet it to Weekes and maybe some others. Whatcha think?


Julia's post in medical discussion:

Thane's words regarding Kepral's Syndrome in ME2:

Shepard When we met you. You said you were dying.
Thane: Yes, I thought you'd want to know more. You do not have to worry about the rest of the crew. My illness is not communicable, even to other Drell. It's called Kepral's Syndrome.


Life Expectancy:

Shepard: Are you going to be alright until the end of the mission?
Thane: I should be fine for another eight to twelve months. The more time I spend in humid environments, the faster it progresses. I think it's safe to say that by the time my body is incapacitated we'll be victorious or dead.Either way, I won't be a burden to you.


Kepral's Syndrome:

Shepard: What exactly is the problem?
Thane: My people are native to an arid world. Most of us now live on Kahje, the Hanar homeworld. It's very humid and rains everyday. Our lungs can't deal with the moisture. Overtime, the tissue loses it's ability to absorb oxygen. It becomes harder to breathe. Eventually, we suffocate.

Shepard: (Why can't it be cured?) Can't they do something about that?
Thane: The Hanar have funded a genetic engineering program. They should be able to adapt us. The project has only been running for a few years. I don't believe my body will still draw breath by the time it bears fruit.

Shepard: (This shouldn't be a problem.) Then don't live on Kahje or use breathers.
Thane: Drell have a close relationship with the Hanar. We rely on eachother. The best we can do is keep our homes very dry inside.

Shepard: (Can we help?) Is there anything we can do here? Normandy has a state of the art Medical Bay.
Thane: No, thank you. It's being attended to. If the finest medical minds in the Hanar Illuminated Primacy can't solve the problem, I doubt your ships' medic could. Thank you for your concern, trust me, this won't affect my performance.

Shepard: (You seem calm about it) You don't act like a dying man.
Thane: You have the advantage there, Shepard. You've already died. Perhaps later you can give me some suggestions.I can do nothing to alter my fate. One advantage of my training is that I've always to some degree considered myself dead. Thank you for your concern, trust me, this won't affect my performance.


From ME2 (in-game)Codex:
DRELL: BIOLOGY

Drell are omnivorous reptile-like humanoids with an average life span of 85 galactic standard years. They give live birth to their young who are capable of eating solid food from the moment they are born. Drell appearance is very similar to asari and humans, but their muscle tissue is slightly denser than that of humans giving them a wiry strength. Many of their more reptilian features are concealed, like a three chambered heart with a muscular ridge that is capable of shunting oxygenated or deoxygenated blood as needed.

One unique characteristic, however, is the hyoid bone in their throats which allows them to inflate their throats and produce vocal sounds outside the human range. Would-be assassins have noted that these two features make drell extremely hard to strangle or suffocate.

Because the drell ancestors emerged from arid, rocky deserts the humid ocean-covered hanar homeworld of Kahje proved tolerable only when the drell stayed inside a climate-controlled dome city. Due to this huge disparity in the two species' homeworld environments the leading cause of death among drell on Kahje is a bacterial lung disease called Kepral's Syndrome.

Within a generation of the drell's arrival on the planet the disease had become resistant to hanar antibiotics and other advanced treatments. Once an infection settles in, death is slow but imminent. Transplants may buy time, but as the infection spreads to other major organs there comes a point of diminishing returns and eventual system failure.


Thane's ME2 (LotSB DLC) Medical Report from Dr. Chakwas:

Lung Capacity: 42% (left-side lung shows large lesions, right lung has nodular lesions only)

Antibiotic treatment: Now resistant to cipoxidin, malanarin, alburcin

Metastatic progress: stomach, liver (minor), heart (negligible at this time)

Treatment Options: Viable transplant candidate but refused to be added to list - Synthetic lung generation currently impossible for drell

Therapy and Care: At this time, Mr. Krios should continue getting regular cardiovascular exercise in order to stimulate lung movement and prevent or delay the stiffness that causes lack of oxygen transport. While physical stimulation may also be beneficial in keeping tissues flexible, any injury at this point will dramatically impact Mr. Krios' body and cause rapid degeneration. It is unclear how much longer Thane will be able to serve in direct action. Thane should continue to wear loose clothing that leaves his chest uncovered to prevent moisture buildup that could worsen the problem.

The drell eidetic memory is often beneficial in allowing drell to escape unpleasant scenes by losing themselves in happier times. In this case, however, Mr. Krios should try to restrict the time spent reminiscing as prolonged sedentary activity increase the rate of lung degradation.

This suggests that what is best for Mr. Krios currently is to continue to remain active and engage with other team members in order to stay mentally and emotionally stimulated.


Thane's words regarding Kepral's Syndrome in ME3:

Shepard:(How long will you live?) Do you know how much time you have left?

Thane: I've been to several doctors. My favorite gave me three months to live... nine months ago. It's freeing to find no requirements placed on me. No responsibilities, no fears. It is a good end to a life.

Shepard:(Does it hurt?) Are you in a lot of pain?
Thane: At times. The oxygen transfer proteins don't form correctly. Your human equivalent would be hemoglobin. As a result, my blood is low in oxygen. No matter how much I breathe in I get tingling, numbness ...and that is the best of it. As for my brain, I cannot track the damage. I just experience dizziness from time to time.



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I think we can't stop now. That's what they want. I know it's hard, in moments like this, when it seems there's no more hope. We deserve better, Thane deserves better, and even if we don't get what we deserve, we need to keep figthing, and telling them that they did wrong.

I'm not going to buy more games from Bioware. I'm not going to buy any DLC. My best and dearest femshep is on her bed in ME2, with Thane by her side. She will never see ME3. At this moment, I expect nothing, and I don't think they are going to fix this. But this will not stop me for keep trying.

At this time, we know that it's not going to be any Thane DLC this year. And maybe they don't want to do it next year. But we have 6 months to change their minds, and show them that this is the right thing to do. We need to stay stronger than ever, we can't give up so easily. Don't lose hope, they can't ignore us forever.

Remember this:

"I love you. If all else whispers back into the tide, know this for fact. By grace given me by the Goddess Arashu, I bid her divine protection to you, my warrior-angel, my Siha, to succeed in your destiny. To light your path through the coming darkness. To give you hope, when all seems lost. "

Stay strong, and hold the drell! <3

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Serenade22 wrote...

I think we can't stop now. That's what they want. I know it's hard, in moments like this, when it seems there's no more hope. We deserve better, Thane deserves better, and even if we don't get what we deserve, we need to keep figthing, and telling them that they did wrong.

I'm not going to buy more games from Bioware. I'm not going to buy any DLC. My best and dearest femshep is on her bed in ME2, with Thane by her side. She will never see ME3. At this moment, I expect nothing, and I don't think they are going to fix this. But this will not stop me for keep trying.

At this time, we know that it's not going to be any Thane DLC this year. And maybe they don't want to do it next year. But we have 6 months to change their minds, and show them that this is the right thing to do. We need to stay stronger than ever, we can't give up so easily. Don't lose hope, they can't ignore us forever.

Remember this:

"I love you. If all else whispers back into the tide, know this for fact. By grace given me by the Goddess Arashu, I bid her divine protection to you, my warrior-angel, my Siha, to succeed in your destiny. To light your path through the coming darkness. To give you hope, when all seems lost. "

Stay strong, and hold the drell! <3



Ooooh, you sneaky minx using his own words!!  Good call on the "letter" - I'll hold the drell!!  Posted ImagePosted Image

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@LT - love ya big for "red shirts" (woohoo)! Also an amazing job on the picture and words. Well done!

@Cosmo - Tell Hainkpe we miss her!

@Visii - I'll post ya some stuff.....also have some of the convos of Thane in ME2 recorded. BRB

@yamainu - *sloppy forehead kiss* You are awesome! :)