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[mnomaha]

I might actually pop into a game just to hear that!!!

@Saodade..*hugs* ouch!! Feel better soon!

[JECW]

Julia_xo wrote...

JECW wrote...

I don't want or need MP DLC. I don't even play MP.
New characters. I really hope that character doesn't end up in Life Support.

No need to worry about that, thankfully. The new characters are for multiplayer only.

Thank goodness. I was starting to get a little worried.
I don't want anyone in Life Support.

Julia_xo wrote...

I always take Thane along to face the Shadow Broker! Not just because Thane is my Shep's LI or because I like to take him everywhere. It's because the Shadow Broker is the one who sold Thane's identity out to the Batarians who killed his wife! I felt like Thane should be there to help take him down.

I have never romanced Liara but that line is awful. Her lines about other love interests have a funny undercurrent (like her comment about calibrations in reference to Garrus) but what she says in regard to Thane was just low. There should have been a slap Liara interrupt after that one.

Oh, and it is annoying how the squadmember you take with you gets knocked out at the Shadow broker base and Shep is more interested in defending Liara than the other person (Thane, in my case). I did enjoy the LotSB DLC though. It was a good combination of story and game-play. I hope ME3 single-player will eventually get DLC as good or better than LotSB. Hopefully, Thane and other sidelined ME2 LIs get decent content in the DLC as well.

@utaker As ever, I am speechless. LOL I can just imagine the look on that guy's face.

I agee. I hate what Liara says about Thane. She just comes off as jealous, bitter and cruel. Everything she says about the others is actually funny, but she was out of line with her comment about Thane.

Yes I find it annoying that Shepard grabs Liara while Thane get's knocked out. It's as stupid as shepard screaming about Liara when the building blows up. It's just biowares way of showing how important they think Liara is, and that she is their favorite. If this was RL I would grab my husband first. Thane wasn't that far from Shepard anyway. It's just more of Bioware showing how much they love Liara.

Modifié par JECW, 24 mai 2012 - 11:58 .

[gearseffect]

The thing I find most anoying is when certain people try and claim that Liara isn't a writers pet and defend her from people who are upset they got stuck with Liara as opposed to their LI. The Excuses Liara isn't a writers PET
1.It only feels that way because she is the only character who makes it to ME3 and so they just did her LI content first she's not a pet
2.The reason the other LI's didn't get as much attention and time is they can die
3.Liara is the best character in the series and she has the best writing that don't make her a writers pet.
4.The only reason your claiming she's a writers pet is your just butthurt that you didn't get as much time with your favorite LI
5.Liara isn't a writers pet, the other LI's just fell victim to budget cuts
6.BW didn't have time to put effort into the other LI's because of scheduling issues
7.BW just gave the most popular LI more content you got no one to blame but yourself for not picking Liara as your LI
8.BW didn't have the resources to make all the LI's fit into the ME3 story like Liara did, the size of the crew would be too big, and they'd be no room for EDI, Vega, Javik, Grunt, Legion, Mordin, and Wrex.
9.Liara isn't a writers pet, if anything she's so much of a fan favorite BW ended up sharing content that should have been exclusive to LI Liara with everyone because everyone else would have been mad if they didn't get that Liara content anyway. So if anything Liara as a LI was taken away from her fans to appease everyone else who'd have been mad if they didn't have access to it
10.Liara isn't a writers pet she didn't get anymore effort or special attention then any other LI, if anything Tali and Garrus are writers pets not Liara. Both Tali and Garrus shouldn't have been part of the ME3 squad because they could die in the SM.
11.The ME2 LIs can die in the SM, so it was impossible for BW to even get them back in the game not to mention as LIs. Thane was dying his fans got a death scene that they knew was gonna happen. Jacob' wasn't well like so there wasn't anything wrong with what BW did to him
12.Liara's the Shadow Broker she's the more important to ME then Shepard is.

OK I'll stop there, however I may have to considering doing a poster like Squeegee did for Thane only this would be just for sh!t's and giggles, The Reasoning behind Liara in ME3 and explanations of why she is(n't) a writers pet who received more time and effort than the other LIs.

Ohh yes I remember what I came in here to say now, I was moving some stuff around in my closet today and one of my T-Shirts fell off the hanger, when I picked it up I was like NOOOOOO, it was my ME2 T-shirt with DudeShep in the center and to one side of his was Mordin and Grunt and on the other side was Miranda and Thane. I was like NOOOOOO Thane LOOOK THERE HE IS BEING MARKETED ON ME2 T-SHIRTS, and he's the only person on the shirt that can't be saved, hell he's the only squad-mate/LI that can't live (at this point that is we shall change that Thane will be saved). WHY WHY? BW you jerks why Thane? Why? Yeah I went into a sort of fit of rage when I picked my ME2 T-Shirt up.

[JECW]

I didn't know people gave so many lame excuses. If anything they show why Liara is the writers pet.

[utaker1988]

I love all those reasons because they are not fact. They are solely the opinions of Liara Lovers, they are delusions. And time to shoot down their reasons, thanks Gears for giving me something constructive to do with my time.

1. She is not the only character who makes it into ME3...hello SHEPARD! It's Shep's story not hers (although one would start to think differently after awhile). Joker also makes it. So why is he not an LI, people were asking for it.

2. Wrong, Samantha can live (heh heh) I know crappy excuse she's only in one game but that puts to rest that Liara is the only LI who can't die argument.

3. Opinion. Once you use the word best, it is not a fact.

4. No, the reason people claim she is writers pet is because she is. All the reasons you give as to why she is not, clearly show she is. You are not doing your argument any favors. You say she is not writer's pet but admit she is the only who cannot die, gets the most attention..what is that if not a pet?

5. Ok, so you want to say that she's not a writer's pet but yet if what you say about budget cuts is true...then they picked their favorite to get the most...hmmm, sounds like writer's pet to me.

6. So is it budget cuts or scheduling issues? Scheduling issues..really, has this been brought up? Who has the scheduling problem..the characters? Oh yes, I forgot Thane couldn't be in the game more because he was busy oiling his skin that day...fictional characters have busy lives you know. Doh!

7. Oh yes, pardon me as a female who likes to have their LI's with danglies and not boobs. Shame on me for not being Bi. Thanks. I also don't care too much for stalker LI's, I had a stalker ex husband you can see why I get completely turned off by Liara.

8. Ok, so they didn't have resources to add another dialogue with ME2 LI's, so what did they do instead? Oh yes, give all of it to Liara instead of splitting it up more. Writer's pet.

9. What shared content that was exclusive to her? That whole line of reasoning just confused me.

10. Oh lord, again the contradictions. You cannot say..she is such a favorite/more popular that is why she got more and then turn around and say "she didn't get anymore special attention."

11. Garrus and Tali can die but yet they still got more attention than Miranda, Samara, Jack, Thane, and Jacob. Just because Jacob isn't well liked doesn't give anyone the excuse to do what they did to his fans. Next time your partner cheats on you while you are away, I will wait by your door to say, "there was nothing wrong with what he did because nobody likes him anyway." How would you like to hear that.

12. Load of crap right there. She is as important as a Shadow Broker as the last one was. And...again, this story is Shepard's story. Shepard is the one who must defeat the reapers. Go check the end of the game, the kid isn't asking for another Liara story now is he? The pop up at the end did not say, "Continue the legacy of Liara T'Soni" now did it? Even Liara herself knows she's not as important, she wasn't making a time capsule of herself, she was making one of Shepard.

But my goal is not to argue with them, I leave them alone. I don't like Liara (at least the Liara they wrote) so I don't bother with her. However when I write my little stories, I have Liara as my Shepard's friend. Just like Garrus, no stalker behavior, no having to turn them down 20 times before they get the hint and mutual respect of personal space.

The only one allowed to invade my Shepard's personal space is Thane (yes that was meant to be dirty).

Modifié par utaker1988, 25 mai 2012 - 05:14 .

[mnomaha]

I just love you all so f*cking much. I really really do.

[mythlover20]

And that is all EXACTLY why Liara is the writer's pet. Maybe we should send something to BW expressing our disgust with this preferencial treatment? (Cause that was a really good idea gears!)

[utaker1988]

We love you too (hugs)

Hope: So, we need a new bed for our place.
Thane: What's wrong with the one there.
Hope: It's not big enough and it's old.
Thane: Very well.
Hope and Thane go to the Bed Warehouse.
(Hours later)
Thane: Siha, I'm not pleased.
Hope: What do you want me to do about it?
Thane: We are in a holding cell.
Hope: Oh, so that's the problem.
Thane: What did you think I meant?
Hope: You didn't get to finish.
Thane: For once could you not think like that, it got us in trouble.
Hope: You said you wanted to try out all the beds.
Thane: I meant sit on them, lay on them.
Hope: Oh sorry, so it's my fault?
Thane: You jumped on me and well you know the rest.
Hope: You were laying on a bed.
Thane: And that led you to tackle me?
Hope: Listen, do not put the blame all on me. Right over your head was a big sign that said, "Try Me." I tried you.
Thane: It meant the bed, Siha.
Hope: Whatever, you didn't stop me.
Thane: Hard not too when...regardless it was a good bed.
Hope: How long are we stuck here?
Thane: We'll be here for a few hours.
Hope: So...you wanna?
Thane: Unbelievable.....

[siha13]

utaker1988 wrote...

We love you too (hugs)

Hope: So, we need a new bed for our place.
Thane: What's wrong with the one there.
Hope: It's not big enough and it's old.
Thane: Very well.
Hope and Thane go to the Bed Warehouse.
(Hours later)
Thane: Siha, I'm not pleased.
Hope: What do you want me to do about it?
Thane: We are in a holding cell.
Hope: Oh, so that's the problem.
Thane: What did you think I meant?
Hope: You didn't get to finish.
Thane: For once could you not think like that, it got us in trouble.
Hope: You said you wanted to try out all the beds.
Thane: I meant sit on them, lay on them.
Hope: Oh sorry, so it's my fault?
Thane: You jumped on me and well you know the rest.
Hope: You were laying on a bed.
Thane: And that led you to tackle me?
Hope: Listen, do not put the blame all on me. Right over your head was a big sign that said, "Try Me." I tried you.
Thane: It meant the bed, Siha.
Hope: Whatever, you didn't stop me.
Thane: Hard not too when...regardless it was a good bed.
Hope: How long are we stuck here?
Thane: We'll be here for a few hours.
Hope: So...you wanna?
Thane: Unbelievable.....

niiice...!!!   wish there was a dlc with all of that stories!!! lol

[utaker1988]

I believe in you and in all of us and somewhere deep inside me I believe that it is not too late to save Thane. It's a game of choices, of fiction, where the impossible has been done before. Just as I believe that in the end, Thane did not die of some incurable disease, by Kai Leng's blade but by poorly thought out writing. There will always be hope for Thane all that is needed is for BioWare to believe in Thane as much as we do.

Ok, I did write something awhile back. I will gather my thoughts on a DLC, or if not a whole DLC at least ways to make it work. You know we can't change our fates in real life this is one of the reasons why this is so important to me. Just to save a character, to be able to save something, someone even if the person is not physically real is uplifting. I wish they could see that. Hope can be found in the smallest of places, in the most unexpected of places and when one finds that hope it tends to uplift them in all areas of their life.

[Saodade]

For my point of view I just hope the team will accept to please us in writting something helping to cure Thane, make him survive a little bit longer (till the end of the game at last like others character as Garrus or Anderson) or a DLC (before his action scene) including some romantic moments and adventure. i'm sure even those who did not romanced Thane would be interested in this DLC since it would add some action in the game when you have finished it. And for us who romanced him that would mean the world. There is also those who buy every dlc just because they want the complete set (like collectioner). So every way to turn it a Thane Krios related DLC can be something interesting for everyone. it is just that: a matter of pleasing some fans.customers and adding content in a game. Plus it would lead the disquieted ones to will and try the next release of the team isn't it ?

[gearseffect]

I love you all and Utaker you analyzing of my Liara not being the writers pet thing was pure golden. GOLDEN!

And yes those are all reasons I have seen many times over, spend any amount of time in any of the random threads that that pop up with Liara in the title and you will see these reasons, also every so often I get bombarded with PMs from stupid Liara fans for my active role in throwing myself out there as sort of the ringleader raising awareness for Samara.

I think I get bombard with PM's from Liara fans whenever at least one or two Liara fans join the Samara group then the rest seem angry and bombard me with stupid PMs.

Oh and here is another one of my favorite Liara excuses

Your just can't admit that Liara is the best squadmate in ME1, ME2, & ME3 she's got stasis, warp, singularity, and in ME1 she had way more powers, she also is the hardest squad mate to have go down in combat.

Yep some dumb@ss said that about Liara being the hardest one to go down in combat, god the statements I see are really stupid, and I may just do the Liara poster idea, given I already have a good number of these statements saved in a document (I'm weird like that, keeping all sorts of whacky sh!t as a document).


Oh and Squeegee I added another last bit to the letter thread If you'd like to put it in there please feel free too, because I really liked my little statement. Also who don't believe in you squeegee, aw hell it don't matter. Because I sure as hell believe in you, your my hero and inspiration.

[BeanieBat]

gearseffect wrote...

Your just can't admit that Liara is the best squadmate in ME1, ME2, & ME3 she's got stasis, warp, singularity, and in ME1 she had way more powers, she also is the hardest squad mate to have go down in combat.

Yep some dumb@ss said that about Liara being the hardest one to go down in combat, god the statements I see are really stupid, and I may just do the Liara poster idea, given I already have a good number of these statements saved in a document (I'm weird like that, keeping all sorts of whacky sh!t as a document).

Ah ha ha!!  That's absolutely ridiculous!  When watching the guys are MEM2.5 playing through ME3, a few had a drinking game going that consisted of drinking whenever Liara went down!   I lost count of how many times she died on the Tuchanka mission!

[Renmiri1]

Squegee I am new to this thread but big fan of Thane lovin'

There are 460 pages here so don't know if someone has already mentioned but current story doesn't even make sense. Thane mentions a doctor gave him 3 months to live, "9 months ago". Well since ME3 takes place 6 months after ME2 that means that when Thane was supposed to die - according to his doctor - he was kicking Collector's ass. He didn't look sick at all on ME2 now 6 months late he is at death's door ? what gives ?

I wonder if Thane's voice actor asked for a billion dollars because it just doesn't make sense that they take him out of the game and limit his parts to so little. WTF ???

[Lucky Thirteen]

Yes, we have discussed this.

But I don't mind sharing my theory again.

Basically, I think:
1. He had 3 months to live while not medicated.
2. Chakwas and/or Mordin told him this.
3. He was told this a few weeks out from the suicide mission, and he didn't bring it up so as to not stress Shepard out more. Not to mention, make himself look ill equipped to be helping out anymore. Especially since, all he has to do is start taking pills to prolong his life.
4.All the DLC probably happened during the month or two after, more reason he think's it's a good idea to not bring it up.
5.There is probably a month or two before Shepard meets Thane again.


8-12 months to live -At recruitment
3 months to live -A month before SM(5-9 months later, you decide) he starts taking some medication.
2 months to live -DLC takes up at least a month
1 month to live-Shepard is arrested, at this point, he's looking/feeling pretty healthy and would probably think the prediction is broken now.
6 months later- Shepard stops by hospital with VS. Thane finds out after Shepard has already left. From there he tries to figure out how to get in contact with Shepard, gets a bad address at least once thus why his email is titled "Is this Address Valid?", I'm assuming Shepard has new Alliance address now. He may not even be able to get Shepard's address until he speaks to the VS. Brain injuries tend to take a bit to heal, this could take a month or two.
9 months-Shepard meets with Thane again.


edit: And let me add this one final note. I met a guy the other day, who told me he had 3 months to live, 5 years ago. When doctors give a life expectancy, it can be very fickle like that.

Modifié par Lucky Thirteen, 25 mai 2012 - 02:05 .

[Cosmochyck]

@LT - my aunt was given under a year when she was diagnosed with cancer - she lived for 17 years!!

@Renmiri1 - welcome! drinks are in the lobby. Yes, we all agree that the timelines are "off" to say the least. And I doubt the VA needed more cash - we had one of the writers tell us that they "forgot" about Thane. It's probably a combo of poor writing, and being rushed. And the loads of people that keep telling us "he was dying anyway".

[DineBoo]

@utaker (are you a fan of the Undertaker BTW?): I have to give you a dap on your rebuttal to Gears list of Liara excuses. Especially for #7.

As a female gamer I was offended that I'm pushed toward a female esque character in order to experience the "best" romance of the game. This is why the parade of females after Thane's death bothered me too.

I play a straight femShep. I do not like BW taking away my choices for straight LI and then push me toward other female LI at the same time. And it's not that I'm against gay LIs, it's jut that I don't like how BW handled it when it comes to femShep.

This was the game I wanted, after contining with Garrus, to go back to ME2 so I could romance Thane and experience the game in a whole new way. Instead, Thane, his fans, and straight femShep players get crapped on.

Also, I hate the comment if you're not dating a certain blueberry(thanks Gears) you're doing it wrong. I would never say that to any fan of a character that was taken away from them. I'm sure they would like me saying if they didn't romance Garrus, they're doing it wrong.

[coldwetn0se]

DineBoo wrote...

@utaker (are you a fan of the Undertaker BTW?): I have to give you a dap on your rebuttal to Gears list of Liara excuses. Especially for #7.

As a female gamer I was offended that I'm pushed toward a female esque character in order to experience the "best" romance of the game. This is why the parade of females after Thane's death bothered me too.

I play a straight femShep. I do not like BW taking away my choices for straight LI and then push me toward other female LI at the same time. And it's not that I'm against gay LIs, it's jut that I don't like how BW handled it when it comes to femShep.

This was the game I wanted, after contining with Garrus, to go back to ME2 so I could romance Thane and experience the game in a whole new way. Instead, Thane, his fans, and straight femShep players get crapped on.

Also, I hate the comment if you're not dating a certain blueberry(thanks Gears) you're doing it wrong. I would never say that to any fan of a character that was taken away from them. I'm sure they would like me saying if they didn't romance Garrus, they're doing it wrong.

Something else of note: A new female player, setting up a female Shepard, if they don't know much (if anything) about the game history, the could easily end up with no male LI.  Now to someone brand new to the series, this might be a bit disappointing, especially if she is not interested in having her Shepard be a lesbian/bi-sexual.  At the CC you are given an option for 1) numerous deaths 2) Kaidan dead 3) Ashley dead......the problem is, if you don't read carefully (or understand ahead of time that Ash and Kaidan are potential LI's), it would be easy to have Kaidan dead.  This new female player now gets into the game, starts learning of the different things they can do (like romances), and boom!  Not a single male LI for her.  Hell, she'll probably be even more stunned when she learns that that flirting "tank" is all talk and no action.  *ZOINKS!*  So again, when ea/bw talk about grabbing new players to the franchise, they again were strictly catering to one group; men (and most likely younger men who play action games).  

[wildannie]

good point coldi, they really didn't give a **** about the female gamers beyond getting them to buy the game with their pretence (trailer, CE box)

[Emeraldfern]

Yeah the timeline is iffy...

I've tried to wrap my head around it, but it's like putting together a jigsaw-puzzle with several pieces missing, and to top it off pieces that shouldn't even be there are....
Wait...now that I thnik about it, that train of thought applies to Thane's role in ME3 too....*sigh*

@Dineboo

For some reason I always forget to say that I appreciate the support from you in regards of the Fem-Shep romances.
My sentiments on that subject echoes yours essentially.

Removing two straight L.I.'s for Fem-Shep was not a good move.

In my case it even affects my desire to even play ME3.

I mean I have a Garrus romance ready to import into ME3, (and I was planning to have Kaidan, Samara and Liara playthroughs + two purely headcanoned L.I's)  but I just can't stand seeing Thane die over and over again in every playthrough I have. Not to mention being reminded of Jacob's cheating, now that's one playthrough that will never be imported into ME3...*sigh*

Would it really have killed immersion that badly to have a different scenario for these characters when they were romanced? Damn mystery to me that one..

Just like adding Allers instead of working on existing ME2 characters. Or Edi's camel-toe , and neglecting Samara as an L.I.

I was certain that there would be atleast something in ME3 for her because of the subtle hints. Heck, You know that ad on the Citadel that says "The next time you're out on the town with [insert potential L.I.'s name here]"?

It says Justicar Samara just like it says Sere Krios/ Officer Vakarian/ Mr Taylor/ Miss Lawson/ MIss Zorah/ Miss "Citizen Id not found"



 
On a lighter note I thought I'd share this 3d modelling/photo manip here:



(I know Thane's purdy face is not in the pic but meh, holding hands is cute isn't it?)

Modifié par Emeraldfern, 25 mai 2012 - 05:56 .

[coldwetn0se]

@Emeraldfern - beautiful picture, lady! Very endearing.

@wildannie - *fistbump*

[Moira-chan]

what really annoyed me before the game comes out...and gave me a bad feeling...was that in no trailer thane appeard...i really saw everyone, but never saw thane...

[utaker1988]

@Emerald, I love that pic. It says so much and is beautiful. Yes, even my perverted mind has a non perverted section in it.

@Dineboo, yes I am a fan of the Undertaker. He was the source of my first dive into fanfic. He's a big man, didn't realize how big until I was standing next to him. It's either that or I'm real short.

They failed so bad in the LI department in this game. Unless of course you want to listen to those who told you that you chose wrong or you didn't do it right. Well, excuse me... even if I liked Liara I would not have chosen her. Boobs aside. I walk a different path, I do not gravitate toward what is popular, I walk away from it. I like different, unique, and those who choose to not become sheep.

Thane was a loner and quite different. Had he been real and placed into a room with a hundred people, he is the one I'd immediately gravitate toward. I also hone in on freaks too.