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[Vlk3]

mnomaha wrote...

Getting ready for bed, but I found this on my facebook news feed. You wonder why I love CDPR (The Witcher 1&2)? This is priceless...

Yeah, they' re really cool.


I like multiplayer actually, but it really bothers me that it is needed to get the ending where Shepard lives. There shouldn't even be something like galactic readiness - if someone wants to get results in SP then he should play SP, not MP.  As for the SP DLC's, we need to be patient and keep pushing for curing Thane. Only after EC we'll see if it really matters...


@ utaker I really enjoy Javik and Thane banters. Prothy is such a troll. But i like him. If he  was romancable I would create one Shepard for him.

[baibai_baby]

Heh, I must admit the disdain for MP was a little intimidating for me in contributing to the thread - I think the argument was mainly that disk space dictated limitations on SP content and including MP content. However, it was the MP that stopped me from symbolically snapping my disks in nerd-rage over my SP outcomes (Thane, endings) but I can totally see why it's not popular. I just had the advantage of having friends that I enjoy playing any MP with to increase the fun value. (We are now enslaved to Diablo 3 instead. x_x)

If it help the only positive spin I can provide is if most people are like me and have at least one friend who has more money than sense the MP content has at least provided easy revenue (like, the equivalent of a 2nd game purchase) to sink back into the game (such as SP). One can only hope. The only other reason I can think of is that they have to ride the wave of popularity that comes with a game release by rapidly firing in the content patches for MP. SP suffers due to possibly a reluctance to provide anything before the EC content is released. :\\ (I certainly wouldn't be trying anything else before then if I were them.)

[utaker1988]

I have no disdain toward people who like MP, I just believed that with the end of a trilogy that was supposed to be the culmination of everything done over 5 years was the wrong time to introduce MP. I have friends that enjoy MP and unfortunately that is not enough, I am just a solitary kind of person which is why I like SP RPG's which is what ME was for 2 games. I also liked the fact that it was more character/story driven and not so much in the combat/shooter/whatever category. Another thing they changed, they took away our fully developed characters and multitude of choices. LOL...I looked at ME3 after I realized what was going on with the gameplay and said, "What did you do to my RPG? What is this crap? Why do the dialogue choices look like something that gets slapped into a developer's FIRST game to see how it goes?"

A lot of us feel it, whatever they did it was immersion breaking and the Shepard's we built and loved we no longer had a connection to. Which is heartbreaking and should also be a testament to how well they did in the first two games. No matter how bad I feel they messed up Mass Effect 3, I can never deny how great the first two were. That is why I am so confused, hurt, and feel sort of betrayed by Mass Effect 3. If the first two games were just "meh, I've seen better" then Mass Effect 3 would not be bothering me.

Then there is Thane....I remember playing DA2 and seeing Zevran...Oh good gawds... it was painful. Why you ruin Zev and make him so fugly now? What did you do? There is no way you can screw up a character so bad....then they went and trumped themselves with Thane in ME3.

@ thanks Vlk3 I love Javik too, he's such a troll. One of my Shepards would have given Javik a good ride had he been an option. I can see why they didn't, he's all about vengeance and with that being his goal I could never see him sidetracking for a little roll up in Shep's Cabin. But there is always after! Javik did tell my Shep he wanted to see what peace was like...peace, Javik OR piece... piece of what? I'll brb Javik after these Reapers are dead. After 50k years, you need it Javik....For The Empire!!!! Had him and James been a choice, I would have picked Javik.

Do you think Javik would be offended if Shepard showed up in her Collector Armor?

[Vlk3]

He definitely needs that... But if Shepard showed up in Collector Armor I think he would throw her out of the airlock

Modifié par Vlk3, 31 mai 2012 - 02:09 .

[Saodade]

@Mnomaha lucky witcher fans ;'(

[giftfish]

Need some opinions from my fellow Thane-lovers.

My love with Mass Effect started with ME2.  I've played through it 4 times now I think.  I was completely stoked for ME3, and then, of course, was crushed for many reasons during/subsequent to my one and only play through.

I really don't want to play through ME3 again unless Bioware fixes it.   It just breaks my heart.  On  the other hand, I have recently purchased and played through ME1, and am excited to see how certain things change in ME2 and ME3, after porting a character through all 3 games.

I've just finished my initial play through of ME1, and decided that I would do the import to ME2/ME3 after I had played through it a second time with a NG+.   Considering the few options for LIs in ME1, I chose to romance Kaidan.  He was sort of like a fungus.  He grew on me after awhile, and he's pretty damn hot, though nowhere near as hot as our favorite drell.  I was also pleasantly surprised by the love scene.  Why Bioware decided not to put characters in the buff again for ME2, I'll never know.  I thought it was quite tastefully done, and much more emotional than the fade to black crap they did in ME2, and the unfeeling grope session they gave us with Thane in ME3.

Anyway, I'm sure you can see what I'm leading up to.

After doing more research, I found out how Bioware contrived this whole thing in ME3 where they treat your relationship with your ME2 LI as "cheating" on your ME1 LI.  Ridiculous in my book.  What did you guys do?  Did you specifically not romance a ME1 character to not be forced into that storyline in ME3?  Should I start a totally new character rather than a NG+, and save myself for the Green Assassin of Super-Hawtness in ME2?

I am torn

Modifié par giftfish, 31 mai 2012 - 11:54 .

[Renmiri1]

The May 29th free DLC has nothing revising the ending. Is this the "fix" they promised ?

[tehprincessJ]

I played all 3 games when they were new, so my 3 femSheps all romanced Kaidan in ME1 (he was the only choice then, aside from Liara).

In ME2, I stayed faithful with one Shep (paragon, spacer), but my other Shep, Jade (paragon, colonist), went off to Illium and met Thane before she got Kaidan's "apology" letter after Horizon. My renegade Shep, Storm stayed faithful to Kaidan as well, because I'd thought the fact that you can renegade Kaidan and Garrus would actually lead somewhere in ME3 (more fool, me). After learning it didn't, I loaded back and pursued Garrus with Storm, seeing as he and Kaidan are the ONLY HET OPTIONS for femShep.

Anyway, in ME3, Jade told Kaidan "that was the past" on Mars, and after having Thane die on her, I sent Kaidan off as a war asset. So she ended up alone.

I might have gotten back together with Kaidan if they hadn't cheapened what Shep had with Thane by calling it "cheating". That's utter BS.

My 4th, and last Shep, is a BroShep who romanced Liara in ME1 (couldn't kill Kaidan off, even for Ashley), went with Jack in ME2, then Liara again in the Shadow Broker DLC (then called Jack up to his cabin right after for a snuggle, he's SUCH a dog). But I don't really know what I want to do with him, yet, so despite multiple playthroughs with my femSheps, I haven't even bothered to import him into ME3, yet.

Long story short, here, is that I'm not sure what I would have done differently if I'd come into the series during ME2. I have a couple friends who did, and the fact that they love Kaidan above all other LIs kinda boggles my mind. He was a complete ass during ME2, and yes, I know, reasons, but I played ME2 fresh off of 'Dragon Age: Origins', and after what I'd been through with Alistair in that game, I was sure my Shep had been dumped on Horizon.

But yes. Absolutely. If I had the will to start a Shep from scratch in ME1, I'd definitely hold her back for Thane. ♥ In fact, now I have regrets as far as my Shep that remained faithful to Kaidan. I looked at it like she had a bit of a shame-crush on Thane, despite her Kaidan true-love, but now? All that time romance-less in ME2? Seems wasted.

I heart him so much (now you've got me wanting to load up ME2, and re-experience every bit of femShep/Thane dialog, before which I made a save every time).

Modifié par tehprincessJ, 01 juin 2012 - 12:42 .

[mnomaha]

Well, I have played all three games started with Kaidan on a few and always ended up with Thane...I wonder what ever happened to the "consequences" bioware threatened us with for ME3. I never saw anything beyond poor writing.

It honestly doesn't matter who you romance in any of the games when it comes to the cheating thing. FemShep gets stuck with this apologetic line of BS and everything goes on. The nono-second Thane dies, everyone tries to jump on Shepard.

I wouldn't worry about it if that's your only reasoning, because in the end, the writers were lazy and nothing matters.

[tehprincessJ]

The promise, I believe, was "players who remain faithful will be rewarded in ME3". What we got was "people who don't want someone from the first game are going to get screwed".

[mnomaha]

LOL Exactly that Princess!!

And I just learned something new!!

http://social.biowar...9150/1#12350499

[utaker1988]

Here's your consequence...you romance Kaidan in ME then go for Jacob, Jacob gets another pregnant. You romance Kaidan then go for Thane, Thane dies. The only right choice in BW's eyes for ME2 is Garrus or nobody for straight FemShep. Kinda still ticked off that my straight FemShep who Virmire'd Kaidan and romanced Thane had no ding ding choices in ME3. Not like anyone could have possibly compared to Thane in the bedroom. Drooooooool...... I can picture Hope after, "that's IT? No good feelings of hallucinations, the morning after itch? And it's well, so smooth, no ridges, no extra sensations. Blah, I should have just whipped out Thane's pic and solo'd it." I'm sure whoever that partner was of hers would be cursing Thane's name forever.

As for my ME adventures, Cameron romanced Kaidan and then Thane. She never felt she cheated on Kaidan as she died, Horizon was painful, and then the letter and it wasn't until I was playing it earlier for video capturing that I got this convo with Joker after Horizon, "He moved on, I can't blame him." Yes, she acknowledged it was moving on. So, why the word cheating is even used at all is so far beyond my scope of comprehension. Even Joker will respond after, "Oh, a mutual thing, gotcha." (close to it) Using the word cheating by anyone and accepting that it was is an insult. At least to me, others can feel it is and that's fine but I want to make it clear. After everything I just said there is no way I'm ever going to have the "cheating" mind set.

[coldwetn0se]

@giftfish - Play how ever makes you happy, but if you are looking for ideas, I can tell you this: Like you, I originally started with ME2. Thane dropped out of the ceiling, and I fell for the green bugger. When I finally got ME1, I did ONE play through with a Shepard who was first with Kaidan. She still ended up with Thane, and she would never go back to Kaidan. I actually like Kaidan as a squaddie, but I just can't NOT have Thane. All other Shepards have been Thane exclusive (either through ME1 or Genesis/ME2; never romancing anyone else).

I have nothing really helpful to add that other's haven't already said. I never was able to complete even one play through of me3. Between the terrible opening, the autodialogue (not my Shepard), and then seeing Thane (travesty), I just couldn't do it. Got the game on March. 6th, has been boxed up collecting dust since March. 7th.

As others have said, F!Shep doesn't get to "choose" Thane or defend her choice to Kaidan. She is forced either to lie, or talk about "cheating". Ridiculous. And as for things you may see differently by doing full imports (ME1->ME2->me3), someone else could probably give you a better idea......since I never finished a play through. Good luck, and I really do hope you have some fun.

Modifié par coldwetn0se, 01 juin 2012 - 01:37 .

[DineBoo]

I went from ME1 to 2 to 3. I romanced Kaidan, but that's because I wasn't interest in Liara. 2 comes around and I dumped him for Garrus. (Would have gone back and dumped Kaidan for Thane, but I can do that to myself as things stand right now).

I haven't carried a cheated Kaidan into ME3 because I got paranoid about "consequences". So went into Gibbed and changed my save to where I didn't romance Kaidan. Since I didn't want to romance him in the first place, it was no skin off my back.

And since they pretty much force femShep to apologize while maleShep can tell Ashley off, I don't think I'll import a cheating Shep. If I saw a nice subtle confrontation between Garrus and Kaidan, I would have. But making me apologize? No way.

The apologizing is just another thing femShep got mistreated about. Why can't I yell at Kaidan about horizon? And me having to choose between Kaidan and Garrus for a straight romance sucks. I love Garrus to pieces, but every time? I guess, if I were to play the series over again, I would have to make sure to romance Garrus in ME2 just to have second choice. Yay :/

[JECW]

I never believed that there would be any real consequences so I happily an unfaithful playthrough in ME2. One thing I didn't want to do in ME3 was apologize for Horizon or working with Cerberus. I refused to do that. However I didn't expect to have to apologize for moving on. FemShep acts like she committed some great sin and apologizes, but Mshep doesn't have to apologize at all. I hate how weak FemShep sounds when she goes into her stupid apology. I skipped through it so I didnn't have to hear that crap. Just more proof of Femshep getting screwed.

[gearseffect]

HELLO ALL I"M BACKKK HERE"S GEARSSS!

Sorry I had to make a grand entrance back. Last week was hell and this week at work I had to do budget predictions and estimates for the next 2 months at work, which is something I do every month at the end of the month. So I had these huge freaking headaches all this week after work and was so tired and brunt out.

Anyway I see your all talking about how Kaidan is in ME3 and they make FemShep all dumb and say she was cheating or whatever on Kaidan.and FemShep being forced to say she cheated or lie.

DineBoo kinda beat me to making a point on the other side of it but I'm going to just share it anyway.

I didn't import my ME1 Ren Shep that romanced Ashley and in ME2 he was a ren and romanced Jack. Anyway I created that Shep to play as well basicly a dude that p!ssed everyone off, hoping to see the difference in how things turned out in ME2 and ME3. ME2 everyone hated him and humans because he killed the council and the Turians were the most hostile towards him,

Anyway that Shep isn't ever seeing ME3 for reasons you can clearly see. But in all my ME playthroughs Kaidan dies on Virmire, and so I have Ashley alive. I didn't romance her in ME1. So I youtubed the video of the scene at the hospital were it comes out about cheating and it felt so lame. It made Ashley look so cheesy and it again didn't seem like the Ashley I know of.

Anyway what happens is Ashley brings it up about Shep cheating and when dude Shep gets all mad and tells her off, he gets up to leave and suddenly Ashley pulls this pulls this out of her @ss

Ashley "Wait Shepard it's just these meds they got me messed up. And there's some family stuff too" and then dude Shep sits back down.

Now what that scene looks like if Ashley is unromanced. It's about Cerberus and Shep working for them, anyway it plays out a bit differently and it don't make Ashley look so lame and it flows so much better too.
Shep "Ashley what happened on Mars I thought you weren't gonna make it."
Somehow (I can't remember how Cerberus comes up"
Ashley"You made it clear on Mars that your not with Cerberus."
Shep "So we're good?"
Ashley "We're good,"
Shep stands up to leave
Ashley "Wait Shepard there is something else family stuff"
Shep sits back down "What is it?"
Ash "I don't want to have you worrying about it it could be nothing but"
Shep "Ashley just tell me"

As you can see the difference between the two, the one where Ashley wasn't romanced looks rather good. Then the one where Ashley is romanced she looks all, hell it makes BW look like chauvinistic jack@sses don't it? I mean that poor excuse of "its just the meds they got me mess up" WTF? that is really freaking lame I mean really lame.

When I saw that on Youtube I'd only ever had the "we good" thing and then the "Shepard Wait Family Stuff".

Now I'm imagining that how BW forces FemShep to be with Kaidan is just as corny and feels like Kaidan is in the right, or whatever FemShep conforms to him and admits her sins, I can't imagine it but I cringe thinking of how bad it looks and plays out. I cringe when I think of that lame Ashley one I can't imagine how bad it is for FemShep.

On a brighter note I've always loved the Thane/FemShep piece JECW commissioned from Morie91. Then when I downloaded the LIA 2 PDF I saw a FemShep/Garrus piece and I asked if anyone knew who did it. JECW PMed me and told me it was Morie whom also did the Thane one for JECW. Which I'd had that Thane one in my favorites for ages. well I commissioned a piece from Morie of my Shep and Samara and here is a WIP VERY early pic of it http://sta.sh/026c0cz1xndr

Thanks JECW,

Modifié par gearseffect, 01 juin 2012 - 04:57 .

[mnomaha]

Awwww gears...your Shep is finally getting that kiss! It looks really awesome.

[coldwetn0se]

@Gears - Oh lordy!! Love the Shep/Samara pic, even in its early stages. Hmmmm......I might have to consider her for my Ulee and Thane......

Very good assessment of the way the females were handled in this game, Gears. Between Ash's response to M!Shep, the lack of defense from F!Shep with Kaidan over choosing another LI in ME2 (moving on, in other words), the removal of 2 love interests for FemShep, and the very cheesy s/s scene with Traynor (and lack of any real depth, unlike Cortez), I would say this looks bad. Indeed, quite bad.

[DineBoo]

I want to know when it was decided that femShep be so different that maleShep. ME1 and 2 everything was pretty much the same, except for LIs and some NPC reactions. ME3 comes around and femShep is gutted. It's like she didn't matter at all, as is only there for the hot lesbian action.

Her LIs are taken away. Kaidan is saved since he can be bi, and Garrus is saved because he's the ultimate broski. And then female gamers are made to feel like that's all we deserve to get and be happy, or go be with Liara because she's BW pet.

Barf.

[tehprincessJ]

It really is unfair. Doesn't BroShep have a chance to end up with either Jack or Miranda, too? Man, do I feel sorry for people who genuinely like Jacob. Can you imagine?

[DineBoo]

@princess Yes, that's why femShep choices being taken away sucks. Why couldn't maleShep get someone to leave him? Where's the equality? Oh, right, female gamers don't count.

And poor Jacob fans. Every time someone tries to talk about him positively, they get bombarded with "He's boring" "He was a fling" He was unpopular". And then the thread gets buried.

There was no reason to assassinate Jacob's character like that. None. All characters have their flaws, so why Jacob's get harped on is mind boggling.

[Vlk3]

It' s like the message from BioWare to all women "Go back to kitchen". I hate it.

I played my canon Shep 3 times. First, when I started with ME2. Then I started again, from ME1. She romanced Kaidan. I imported her to ME3.. Ah, wait, she's of course Thanemancer. In ME1 Kaidan was only a fling, nothing really important, even though she was paragon. So she was imported to ME3 and then the nightmare started. Cheating, being in hospital for Kaidan, Kaidan hitting on her after Thane's death.
What was that? Leave her alone Kaidan, she' s mourning her only true love!

She died at the end of the game, choosing destroy, as there is no other reasonable ending for me.
Then I decided that she' s no more my canon Shep and started again from ME1. Now she is paragade, her name stayed, her looks changed only a bit, she was flirting with Kaidan then nuked him. I even found reasons for her to like Ashley (they're both spacers).

I imported her to ME3 only to see how she's looking now....
In fact, Angelica Shepard is now pirate queen and I won't import her until Thane is cured. Her story ends only with Thane.

// Edit: 

Smile!



Now i can't focus on writing about peacekeeping missions.

Modifié par Vlk3, 01 juin 2012 - 07:20 .

[gearseffect]

Only way DudeShep can be with Jack, Miranda, and Tali is if you romanced them in ME2.

And yeah it feels like BW turned into a bunch of chauvinistic jack@sses with ME3. Not just with FemShep, but like everyone says the overall treatment of the females in ME.

Samantha don't even get me started on her. You ever been to her thread? If you do and click the profiles of people posting in there the profiles all state Male as their gender. I mean REALLY WTF? Are they stupid middle school kids, I find nothing what so ever hot about the Samantha/FemShep stuff.

As for the hot lesbian action I maybe in the minority here among dudes but I really don't think that the lesbian action in any of the ME games was what I'd call hot. There are far more steamy vids online and they are free too. The overall quality of the content in 'em also beats the overall quality of content in ME3. Or urmmm I mean urmm from what I hear of course yeah it's all based off of what I hear.

I also know I'm in the minority of dudes on this issue I hate the new ME3 Ashley makeover. Her ME1/ME2 look was great she was hot and sexy. She didn't have make up, her skin was a nice tanned color, she looked the part of a chick in the military.

ME3 Ashley, plastic surgery, Botax, silicone implants, @ss, ******, and lips, her skin was no longer that hot tan color. AND SHE HAD MAKEUP MAKE UP more Make Up then any other character has ever had in any ME game before.

ME1/ME2 Ashley was like the Michelle Rodriguez of Mass Effect. Oh and speaking of Michelle Rodriguez heh heh ba-boooong shwing. The only reason Michelle Rodriguez has to either die or get shot up in action movies is because she kicks more ass than any dude ever could, and she looks SMOKIN HOT doing it.

Oh and then the boob jobs going around in ME3, Liara got bigger boobs (some say they are that big in LotSB) still didn't need bigger boobs. FemShep got bigger boobs, Ashley got bigger boobs and an @ss too. Someone said Miranda got bigger boobs. I didn't notice that her boobs were bigger but then again I was either admiring her @ss or watching her face, well she did strach her boobs alot which made me like at them, still I didn't notice she got bigger boobs.

I think Kelly got bigger boobs too.

Thankful BW left Samara's boobs alone. Jack got a missive make over which was the one female massive make over I liked, still miss certain things about her old look and all, but still not a bad new look.

EDI got the ******, oh and I found some disturbing picture of the ME3 in game Banshee model that puts EDI's ****** to shame.

It's like BW had a bring your middle school sons to work everyday and they can make ME3 for us. I kinda wonder if that's what happened I mean good god the stuff they did to females. Ya know I am more than a bit scared of how BW would handle Samara as a LI, given there current record of handling females.

I don't want it to be some lame suddenly Samara needs to have sex sort of thing. I want it to be thought out and Shep has to be the one making most the advances, as opposed to the other ME LIs.

Because if they do a sudden Samara is horny and can't take it anymore thing I would throw my controller across the room and scream at BW damning them to hell and back for cheapening her character like that.

Anyway where was I oh yes, Utaker do a Kolyat storms BW offices and he pulls a Inigo Montoya thing "My name is Inigo Montoya you killed my father prepare to die." Then when he says "I want my father back you son of a b!tch" a shadowy figure pops from the vents and snaps the writers neck before Kolyat kill 'em.

Come on Utaker I know you can do this "My name is Kolyat Krios, you killed my father prepare to die"

[JECW]

gearseffect wrote...

On a brighter note I've always loved the Thane/FemShep piece JECW commissioned from Morie91. Then when I downloaded the LIA 2 PDF I saw a FemShep/Garrus piece and I asked if anyone knew who did it. JECW PMed me and told me it was Morie whom also did the Thane one for JECW. Which I'd had that Thane one in my favorites for ages. well I commissioned a piece from Morie of my Shep and Samara and here is a WIP VERY early pic of it http://sta.sh/026c0cz1xndr

Thanks JECW,

You're welcome
I know it's just a sketch right now, but it looks great.
I'm glad you asked her to do this picture for you. I know she's going to do a wonderful job.
I'm looking forward to seeing it when it's done.

Modifié par JECW, 01 juin 2012 - 07:29 .

[tehprincessJ]

I love Michelle Rodriguez.

And one of the reasons why I'm glad I have no alive Ashleys is because she really isn't Ashley any more. Not by looks or personality (from what I've heard).

Miranda's teeth got straighter.

As far as Samara romance goes, that's what fanfic is for. Seriously, ME3 screams for 9 levels of fix-it fic. I'm currently trying to fic my way through my Thane emotions right now.

And yeah, that's just one of a hundred little things they could have done to make ne feel better. Give me Kolyat as a squad member, or a letter, letting me know that he's okay, or SOMETHING.