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[mnomaha]

@Myth...are you telling me your pc still isn't all set up?

[mythlover20]

Oh, Garrus is set up, I just didn't have any PC ME2 saves on Alistair yet, cause I wanted to start from ME1 with Margurite. Plus I was playing DA2 on my PS3, and writing the essay.

[mnomaha]

mythlover20 wrote...

Oh, Garrus is set up, I just didn't have any PC ME2 saves on Alistair yet, cause I wanted to start from ME1 with Margurite. Plus I was playing DA2 on my PS3, and writing the essay.

oh, okay, gotcha. I'll send you a save or two tomorrow.

[Saodade]

mnomaha wrote...

Maybe somebody creative could make actual lollipops with Thane's face.

Wonder  what  would look as  the  little  stick  of the lollipop...

[Hisilome]

utaker1988 wrote...

I'm not sad, more disheartened than anything. I had to laugh at the end of FFXIII-2 though, things happen, things are falling apart around you and then it says...To Be Continued...I was like, "Um, ok I'd be upset with this but I experienced ME3." I turned it off and now will wait for them to continue it. LOL.

To be continued...what a way to end a game. At least they were honest, you know that there is more to come at some point.

Agh, I just resumed FFXIII-2 yesterday, I had given it up after ME3 and it took some time to get back to it!!

It ends with 'to be continued', you say??? O.o Intriguing, though I wanted to see the story finished, but I do trust Square-Enix; be it a dlc or another FFXIII game, they'll deliver and they will do a good job of it, I think!

Hear that, Bioware?

[utaker1988]

Yeah, and this is why I sit here and wait, I know they will deliver it. As of the last news it would be a DLC with hours of game play. I wonder if Square realizes that when they say hours of game play, I figure I'd be holed up for a very long time with it. And the amount of playable DLC they've already released with this game in such a short period of time baffles my mind. Some could learn some lessons on what to do to make your fans happy. There is a reason why they have been successful for so long. Yeah, they've had some less than sub par games and OMG they admit their mistakes. They realized that FFXIII had a confusing plot and admitted that it occurred because of lack of cohesive vision and then realized there were mistakes in the game but ran out of time to fix them.

I was impressed when they stood up and faced the music from the fans. They owned the mistake, apologized and expressed that they would do better next time. Not once did they stand up and yell, "Artistic Integrity!!!" They failed and admitted it. This is why their fans still trust them, why I still trust them. Even with that TBC ending, I still understood what was given to me at that point, it didn't throw at me a new concept or plot device in the last 10 minutes. While I missed having the old crew...OMG...they have released DLC specific to Lightning, Snow, Sazh...imagine that. I can have more of the ones I might have missed. And if you get through this DLC, you get to have them in your party after. WTF....BW could have done that too.

[Renmiri1]

LOL that is funny, I am a diehard FFX fan and can't say I liked FFXIII. After the FF14 fiasco I kinda gave up on Square.

Then decided to try new things, like Mass Effect just last month. I am completely blown away on how ME3 can break a game universe so badly. And I survived through FF!0-2 !

I prefer the entire universe succumbing to girlie J-Pop than to have it killed away. I could live with Sheppard being forced to use a moogle outfit to save thane (like Yuna did to save her FF10 LI) one thousand times before I play that #@$#@$#@ death scene again!

Modifié par Renmiri1, 08 juin 2012 - 07:16 .

[coldwetn0se]

^heh....moogles. I never got into the FF games (tried with 10, but the very slow turn based combat and long cutscenes just didn't work for me....but that is just personal taste), but I did play the hell out of Kingdom Hearts, so I do know what moogles are. I too would dress up like a moogle to save Thane.....
\\o/

[Renmiri1]

Heh, I'd put Grunt in a pink Tutu if it saved Thane !

[tehprincessJ]

Eesh. Just replayed the death scene again a couple days ago, and it's almost like the game is glitched. That conversation with the doctor about Drell blood, and "That's not going to work," is just so freakin' awkward.

It's like, "Hey, guys! My game seems to be missing the option where I tell the doctor that we'd planned for this, and that the solution is simple. Blah, blah, blah, my Shep sent that 'Footsteps' chainletter off to the required number of people, and I found the Hanar medi-gel upgrade, I've visited Thane in ME3 countless times, although, again, here, the game seems to be missing the part where I remind Thane that his remaining time was 'mine to take'. His loyalty quest was completed with the best possible outcome. And my Shep has... nobody without him. Anyway, fix this for me. Okay?Please,Thanks."

[Renmiri1]

worse, after he dies not a single freaking NPC talks about him.

[utaker1988]

I like that, Huerta knows they have a drell in there as a patient and yet they are not prepared in case he needs blood. Well, I question that line of logic. But then again, I'm pretty sure they weren't expecting him to go all gung ho on a katana either.

My Sheps only needed and wanted one thing...Thane. She had enough heroes surrounding her, he didn't need to be one, all he needed to be was there.

Thane: Time for me is short Siha but any I have is yours to take.
Shep: Join me on the Normandy?
Thane: No, I can't. I need daily medical attention.
Shep: We have a doctor.
Thane: I need to be with my son.
Shep: Bring him along. You know how safe the Normandy is.
Thane: I can't, I won't be as I was before.
Shep: I'm not asking you to wrestle down krogan, light duty.
Thane: I can't I'm rather attached to this chair and this picturesque window view.
Shep: We'll take the chair with us.
Thane: You can't do that, it's stealing and stealing is wrong.
Shep: You are an assassin and you question me about stealing a chair?
Thane: That was my body doing that, not my mind.
Shep: Ok, I won't tell my mind I'm taking this chair, I'll let my body do it.
Thane: That is not the same, Siha.
Shep: You told me to take that geth hub salvage back when we destroyed the heretics. Was that not stealing?
Thane: It was destroyed, it was no longer any use to anyone.
Shep: I'll make sure to doodle some dirty drawings on the chair first.
Thane: I cannot come with you. I just cannot.
Shep: Yeah, I've shot down every one of your lame excuses with a solution. I thought you didn't want to die in a hospital bed.
Thane: How do you know that?
Shep: I may have peeked at the Shadow Broker files, you wrote me a letter I saw it.
Thane: You are something else.
Shep: Private time?
Thane: Sure why not.
Shep: ....... porn noises and music..... (this is my story, don't question)
Thane: I've missed you.
Shep: So how about the Normandy?
Thane: I told you I can't come.
Shep: You can and you did.
Thane: This is embarrassing. They only allowed me one pair of pants.
Shep: I have your other ones still on the Normandy.
Thane: I suppose you won't just go and get me another pair.
Shep: You know where the Normandy is.
Thane: Very well but I cannot stay.
(on the Normandy)
Shep: You know where the room is, I'll be right here waiting.
Thane: Very well, Siha. Thank you. (exits)
Shep: Joker, move out now. Get this thing in the air. Heh heh....

[mythlover20]

utaker1988 wrote...

I like that, Huerta knows they have a drell in there as a patient and yet they are not prepared in case he needs blood. Well, I question that line of logic. But then again, I'm pretty sure they weren't expecting him to go all gung ho on a katana either.

My Sheps only needed and wanted one thing...Thane. She had enough heroes surrounding her, he didn't need to be one, all he needed to be was there.

Thane: Time for me is short Siha but any I have is yours to take.
Shep: Join me on the Normandy?
Thane: No, I can't. I need daily medical attention.
Shep: We have a doctor.
Thane: I need to be with my son.
Shep: Bring him along. You know how safe the Normandy is.
Thane: I can't, I won't be as I was before.
Shep: I'm not asking you to wrestle down krogan, light duty.
Thane: I can't I'm rather attached to this chair and this picturesque window view.
Shep: We'll take the chair with us.
Thane: You can't do that, it's stealing and stealing is wrong.
Shep: You are an assassin and you question me about stealing a chair?
Thane: That was my body doing that, not my mind.
Shep: Ok, I won't tell my mind I'm taking this chair, I'll let my body do it.
Thane: That is not the same, Siha.
Shep: You told me to take that geth hub salvage back when we destroyed the heretics. Was that not stealing?
Thane: It was destroyed, it was no longer any use to anyone.
Shep: I'll make sure to doodle some dirty drawings on the chair first.
Thane: I cannot come with you. I just cannot.
Shep: Yeah, I've shot down every one of your lame excuses with a solution. I thought you didn't want to die in a hospital bed.
Thane: How do you know that?
Shep: I may have peeked at the Shadow Broker files, you wrote me a letter I saw it.
Thane: You are something else.
Shep: Private time?
Thane: Sure why not.
Shep: ....... porn noises and music..... (this is my story, don't question)
Thane: I've missed you.
Shep: So how about the Normandy?
Thane: I told you I can't come.
Shep: You can and you did.
Thane: This is embarrassing. They only allowed me one pair of pants.
Shep: I have your other ones still on the Normandy.
Thane: I suppose you won't just go and get me another pair.
Shep: You know where the Normandy is.
Thane: Very well but I cannot stay.
(on the Normandy)
Shep: You know where the room is, I'll be right here waiting.
Thane: Very well, Siha. Thank you. (exits)
Shep: Joker, move out now. Get this thing in the air. Heh heh....

YES! Go Hope, or is it Malificent? Or is it all of them? Ah, who cares? Margurite is TOTALLY on board with this, hehe.

@mnomoha: Thanks hon! Wuv you!

...

Just realised how that sounded. I did love you before, just so you know.

I tried playing FF games with XI, XI-2, and XIII, but after all of them, especially XIII I realised, I hate turn based combat. Especially when on land with that first big boss fight on land. Died don't know how many times, and gave up. Nope. Not going back. The story wasn't even good enough for me to want to keep going.

Modifié par mythlover20, 09 juin 2012 - 05:30 .

[JECW]

utaker1988 wrote...

I like that, Huerta knows they have a drell in there as a patient and yet they are not prepared in case he needs blood. Well, I question that line of logic. But then again, I'm pretty sure they weren't expecting him to go all gung ho on a katana either.

My Sheps only needed and wanted one thing...Thane. She had enough heroes surrounding her, he didn't need to be one, all he needed to be was there.

Thane: Time for me is short Siha but any I have is yours to take.
Shep: Join me on the Normandy?
Thane: No, I can't. I need daily medical attention.
Shep: We have a doctor.
Thane: I need to be with my son.
Shep: Bring him along. You know how safe the Normandy is.
Thane: I can't, I won't be as I was before.
Shep: I'm not asking you to wrestle down krogan, light duty.
Thane: I can't I'm rather attached to this chair and this picturesque window view.
Shep: We'll take the chair with us.
Thane: You can't do that, it's stealing and stealing is wrong.
Shep: You are an assassin and you question me about stealing a chair?
Thane: That was my body doing that, not my mind.
Shep: Ok, I won't tell my mind I'm taking this chair, I'll let my body do it.
Thane: That is not the same, Siha.
Shep: You told me to take that geth hub salvage back when we destroyed the heretics. Was that not stealing?
Thane: It was destroyed, it was no longer any use to anyone.
Shep: I'll make sure to doodle some dirty drawings on the chair first.
Thane: I cannot come with you. I just cannot.
Shep: Yeah, I've shot down every one of your lame excuses with a solution. I thought you didn't want to die in a hospital bed.
Thane: How do you know that?
Shep: I may have peeked at the Shadow Broker files, you wrote me a letter I saw it.
Thane: You are something else.
Shep: Private time?
Thane: Sure why not.
Shep: ....... porn noises and music..... (this is my story, don't question)
Thane: I've missed you.
Shep: So how about the Normandy?
Thane: I told you I can't come.
Shep: You can and you did.
Thane: This is embarrassing. They only allowed me one pair of pants.
Shep: I have your other ones still on the Normandy.
Thane: I suppose you won't just go and get me another pair.
Shep: You know where the Normandy is.
Thane: Very well but I cannot stay.
(on the Normandy)
Shep: You know where the room is, I'll be right here waiting.
Thane: Very well, Siha. Thank you. (exits)
Shep: Joker, move out now. Get this thing in the air. Heh heh....

LOL
Have I told you I love you short stories.
Why couldn't Thane have come on the Normandy or gotten a room like Miranda did. Even some kind of date like with Garrus.

[gearseffect]

@Utaker You do realize picking apart things and making the shear stupidity behind things was one of the things Carlin did best right? By God your Thane Shep dialogue is golden.

[wildannie]

 @Utaker ... brilliant as ever  :lol: thank you for all your amazing Thane chat!

[utaker1988]

Thank you all.

Yes Gears I loved what he did with the most common of things and with words and humor presented them with the light of stupidity. And he would point out the most grotesque of scenarios and make them funny and then you realize...oh man, he's right. After seeing him the first time, I realized that it was ok to laugh at almost everything if presented right and that people are way too uptight.

I was talking to a friend last night and she got a bit upset. She got ME3 for the PC after having ME and ME2 on the xbox, of course she didn't have an import so she defaulted. Poor child but what really got her was that at the beginning of the game when she was creating her character, it asked her if she wanted Ashley, Kaidan, or numerous deaths. She chose Ashley to be alive. Now she wants to know who she can romance. I told her Liara, Samantha, or Allers. I heard her yell in my ear, "You mean James is not a choice? Where are the men!!! Why don't I get a male choice? What kind of stunt is this?" Then she went on to pout that all that flirting with James was going to go nowhere. And, she said, "thanks now i'm not going to bother finishing this if my only choice is to have my girl hop over the fence." Then I had to hear her go on about how crappy it is that she automatically made a wrong choice before the game even started, it should have come with a big warning, "If you keep Ashley Williams alive and are playing a straight female character you will get no men available to you." She blew up when I told her that had she started with Sheploo then she would have had Ashley, Liara, Allers, and Steve to choose from. At that she said, "Great so a default male gets 3 straight choices and one gay one while a default female gets to go lesbian if Kaidan is dead. I feel the equality here."

LOL..I told her to send me her PC save and I'd fix it if she really wanted that achievement and be straight. I'd have to make Kaidan alive. She went, "no, you should not have to. it should have been equal to begin with. who wrote the romances? a bunch of 12 year old boys who just discovered the joys of late night cinemax? give females lesbianism as the only choice if you don't choose Kaidan from the beginning? that sounds like someone's sexual fantasy at play." She actually said some other real colorful things that are not safe for me to type out here.

She offered her sympathies to those that romanced Thane and more so to female gamers in general who just got swept back to the days before women could vote.

[DineBoo]

@utaker: I like your friend. She understands

Seriously, this shows that BW did not care about female players, or those who wanted a straight femShep choice. FemShep should not have defaulted to lesbian on a ME3 only playthough. Where is the choice there? Oh right, we can't have any.

This also proves that Liara/VS was cannon in BWs mind. Look at how if you keep Kaidan alive, he's only male choice you have if you want a straight option. Then Liara gets all the content, so that's another cannon choice.

Garrus is awesome, a great LI, but he's unavaiable if you start at ME3. Why is this? They took away Thane and Jacob, why does his romance have to be an import? This just goes to show that Garrus wasn't lucky. He was just given the content because he's the ultimate broski. There was no reason to lock Garrus romance like that.

In fact, it might have helped (but not solved) the issue of femShep having to jump the fence to get a romance if Garrus became available if Kaidan was dead. But then again, it shows how little BW thought of female or straight femShep players.

A simple solution like that might have saved BW from a lot vitriol. Still doesn't solve the issue of femShep not gaining male LIs and the taking of established LIs, but it would have helped.

ETA: Also your friend is so right that femShep players (straight players and femal players) are punished before even starting the game. Choose Thane or Jacob? You did it wrong. Killed Kaidan? You did it wrong.

Sorry. I didn't know I had to be clairvoiyant in order to see my choices would be wrong.Yet maleShep's choices are always right. Everyone stcks around for maleShep. FemShep? Good luck.

Modifié par DineBoo, 09 juin 2012 - 03:10 .

[Saodade]

Renmiri1 wrote...

LOL that is funny, I am a diehard FFX fan and can't say I liked FFXIII. After the FF14 fiasco I kinda gave up on Square.

Then decided to try new things, like Mass Effect just last month. I am completely blown away on how ME3 can break a game universe so badly. And I survived through FF!0-2 !

I prefer the entire universe succumbing to girlie J-Pop than to have it killed away. I could live with Sheppard being forced to use a moogle outfit to save thane (like Yuna did to save her FF10 LI) one thousand times before I play that #@$#@$#@ death scene again!

[utaker1988]

I like how they labeled the romances optional, you don't have to do them to play the game. I bet that same logic could be applied in this instance..with the internet and many devious people, paying for your product is also optional these days too. I am well aware that romances are optional but you made such a big stink about them when you started this series it was like dangling candy in front of me. Then you go on to say...your romances would carry over. Ok, so now you are telling us that the romances are important enough to be imported from one game to another. It wasn't very nice to dangle Thane in front of us and then snatch him away. How would you like it if we dangled our money in front of your salivating chops and then handed it to someone else. Not so funny, is it. I didn't think so.

I also do not see why Garrus could not be an option if you did not romance him in ME2. It's not that hard of a stretch to imagine a Shepard finally falling for Garrus in the last game since he's been with her all along. It happens quite often between friends. Could I see one of my Shep's being all sad about Thane and then seeing the beauty and love in Garrus after all this time? Yes I could and you know what it would probably be very beautiful and touching. But no, we can't have that now can we. Same could be said about Tali. But no, what we do get is the option to finally go for Liara or VS. So yes, those technically are the right choices.

What they wanted was for us to choose one of them or perhaps they wanted to further drive home the romance consequence thing. Which really doesn't count for crap if you are just starting the game now. And I won't get into why anyone would start playing a series at the very end of it. You know what would have been a great consequence? VS or Liara telling you to GFY. I would have paid extra to see Liara tell someone, "We talked during the Shadow Broker thing, you knew I was still an option but you went with Miranda/Jack/Tali/Thane/Garrus/Kelly/Jacob/Samara anyway so Mr./Miss Almighty Shepard, GFY and get out of my room." That is a consequence. Saying, "oh I forgive you and let's bang, ok." is not a consequence of moving on/cheating whatever you want to call it.

[coldwetn0se]

@utaker - Love the dialogue!!!
@Dinaboo (or anyone who romanced Garrus) - I have gone through most of the romance dialogue with Garrus (I abused a few saves in ME2 to hear the dialogue....just didn't save), but it has been a while. Does he act, shall we say......cautious.....about getting involved romantically with Shep? Or was that just my interpretation. I swear I am not asking to nitpick or flame. The reason I am asking is, if what I remember from that romance IS a hesitation from Garrus, then allowing him as a romance option in me3 actually would have made sense. You could role play it like there was tension/buildup, but no follow through in ME2, only to realize that your best friend was who you were in love with......I don't know; something like that.

I may have never pick Garrus as a LI, but for new players or those that don't wish to be with their previous LI (VS, Liara, ect....), he should have been an option. It may not have added to a hill a beans for us Thanemancers (unless some are willing/wanting to move on), but still should have been available.

[Vlk3]

Garrus as a non- import LI in ME3 would be good. Still, my canon Shep will never move on.
No amount of male LI's available will ever make me satisfied. In fact I don't need James, Javik, Garrus or Kal'Reagar - an option would be fine, but it doesn't really matter if Thane has to die. My other Shep could move on, but her story is not so important to me.

And BioWare killed Thane so quickly because they wanted us to have those wonderful other options. Thanks BioWare, I'm delighted that you killed Thane so quickly so I can move on to Liara. They propably wonder why we can't just get over it, Liara is so much better! And Kaidan- what a candy! What is it there to complain? Oh and Diana Allers, look at her face, she is so..perfect. And what is Traynor doing in my bathroom...sometimes i hate playing paragon Shep.

Ok, I' m calm for now...

I hope I didn't make too much mistakes.

Edit: Oh, there's something more: What the hell Thane is thinking telling Shep that he has no responsibilities? (When he tells her that he cannot join her on Normandy). Everything is falling to pieces, his woman needs him and he is content, that he doesn't need to do anything.

Modifié par Vlk3, 09 juin 2012 - 05:41 .

[DineBoo]

@coldwetn0se: In ME2 he's cautious and nervous because he's unsure about how things "work" when it comes to interspecis sex and what not. That's why he gets vids from Joker (LOL) But he's dead serious about it.

He's also unsure about human customs. Like when he rejoins the sqaud in ME3, he's not sure how reuions work when it comes to humans.

To make it work in a non imported, Garrus probably needed to revert to his adorkable self in ME2, but be a broski everywhere else.

So Garrus' romance might have needed some tweaking so it made sense, but it if it was there for non import femShep it would have helped. Not make the situation for femShep's LI's better, but help. But that would take effort from BW.

@Vik3

And BioWare killed Thane so quickly because they wanted us to have those wonderful other options. Thanks BioWare, I'm delighted that you killed Thane so quickly so I can move on to Liara. They propably wonder why we can't just get over it, Liara is so much better! And Kaidan- what a candy! What is it there to complain? Oh and Diana Allers, look at her face, she is so..perfect. smilie And what is Traynor doing in my bathroom...sometimes i hate playing paragon Shep.

This. They wanted femShep to lock into Liara or Kaidan. Sam is just there for the HLA. Garrus isn't avaiable since they could use the Tali excuse, even though maleShep never lost his ME2 choices.

BW thought they were being slick. They decided that Liara/Vs was canon, gave the most content and then manipulated the game toward those choices. Garrus and Tali are there so there isn't too much of an uproar among fans, and they took their chances by shortchanging the rest of the ME2 crew. Cortez got what he got because he was a maleShep LI. Poor Sam couldn't even get off the ship once.

[coldwetn0se]

@Dinaboo - Thanks for the input. That makes sense......tweeking would have been needed then.

@Vik3 - I HATE that line he says. (granted, only heard it once.....prefer to block it from my memory...heh!)
Again, another way of showing how out of character he truly was.....and 'no responsibility'....hey buddy! Don't ya have a kid to consider....huh?!?!?! Maybe, just maybe Kolyat might like to have a Galaxy to....oh, I dunno....LIVE IN????? Get off your well-toned, green arse and help, ya damn lizard! Bah!!!

And I would also agree about extra LI's. I truly believe they should be available for whoever wishes to choose them (hence, more options in me3 were really needed), but for me, I have never made a fem!Shep that didn't end up with Thane (I'm stuck to him like glue; can't help myself!).....even Evan who started with Kaidan (the only Shep of mine that ever did) still went for Thane in the end. All other fem!Sheps are Thane exclusive....never romanced anyone else. Now my dude!Sheps....well, about half of them are pigs...HA! But they are fun (well, in ME and ME2....not even Kane got to finish in me3....nup!) Sorry......now I'm just rambling. Stopping now.

[JECW]

Vlk3 wrote...


Edit: Oh, there's something more: What the hell Thane is thinking telling Shep that he has no responsibilities? (When he tells her that he cannot join her on Normandy). Everything is falling to pieces, his woman needs him and he is content, that he doesn't need to do anything.

Thane wasn't thinking, because that wasn't Thane. Not the Thane from ME2.

It just more of Bioware being lazy and bad writing. Clearly whoever did the writing for Thane didn't know or understand his character at all. They probably didn't even care. I'm sure it took them about five minutes to come up with that crap that they gave us.