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Thane Thread 'It's difficult. All things worth keeping are.' Spoilers will be neck-snapped.
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#12026
Posté 09 juin 2012 - 08:58
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@JECW Yes, you' re right, but that was the only moment in game that I wanted to slap Thane and yell at him. Even though it isn't his fault no one in BioWare understands him
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Posté 09 juin 2012 - 09:10
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He has no responsibilities but he cannot go because he needs to be there for Kolyat.
He's also at peace with dying..well what a better way to test that than to come face a reaper. I bet you do the same thing you did in ME2. You ran when sh*t started falling down around you, you put your hand out for Shep to grab, I saw you backpeddle when being charged by a krogan. You ran pretty darn great at times for a man with limited lung capacity. Not to nitpik him but if breathing was as hard for him as he claimed to be, then why wasn't he bent over heaving for air when he showed up against Leng. He looked anything but someone who was having problems.
If they wanted him to be limited health wise, then make him look like it. Don't throw in a few coughs here and there. That looks like my child who is trying to bluff me out of going to school..and btw, she does it better. The coughs looked tacked on, the Sihas looked tacked on, the placement of the private time during the first convo definitely looks tacked on. Actually Thane himself looks tacked on as an afterthought. He really seems out of place and out of character.
Do you know how much of a gigantic @ss I felt like going back to talk to Ashley after she accepts the Spectre position? There is Thane sitting in that chair, looking out that window and looking pathetic and he is my Shep's LI and I had to see that and what could I do? Not much if I wanted to see recycled dialogue. But then again, after hearing him say these things to Shep during that convo, "we always knew it would come to an end" or "there are things I must give up for him (Kolyat)" it sounds like he dumped Shep anyway. The latter strikes a nerve with me, it is the biggest bunch of BS that you can say to someone. It's not like Koylat is two years old and Shepard hates kids or refuses to share his time. Kolyat's a big boy, I'm sure he'd understand, I'm sure he'd want his father happy and with the amount of time Shep stops at the Citadel during the game, well seeing his father would not be a problem.
It's even worse to hear those things AFTER private time. Then it makes Thane look like the one who used Shep. It makes every line he said to her ME2 sound like a game plan to infiltrate her panties. I know that's not how it is but the whole placement of things in ME3 can make it look like that. He wasn't playing her but BW made it definitely look like Shep was playing a dying man. Which is just so sick and disgusting.
At this point, BW should have stuck a fly swatter in his hand and kept him on fly swatting duty while he sat in that chair. "Amonkira, Lord of Hunters, Grant that my hands be steady, my aim be true, and my feet swift and should the worst come to pass....." ***thwap*** "Grant me forgiveness."
He's also at peace with dying..well what a better way to test that than to come face a reaper. I bet you do the same thing you did in ME2. You ran when sh*t started falling down around you, you put your hand out for Shep to grab, I saw you backpeddle when being charged by a krogan. You ran pretty darn great at times for a man with limited lung capacity. Not to nitpik him but if breathing was as hard for him as he claimed to be, then why wasn't he bent over heaving for air when he showed up against Leng. He looked anything but someone who was having problems.
If they wanted him to be limited health wise, then make him look like it. Don't throw in a few coughs here and there. That looks like my child who is trying to bluff me out of going to school..and btw, she does it better. The coughs looked tacked on, the Sihas looked tacked on, the placement of the private time during the first convo definitely looks tacked on. Actually Thane himself looks tacked on as an afterthought. He really seems out of place and out of character.
Do you know how much of a gigantic @ss I felt like going back to talk to Ashley after she accepts the Spectre position? There is Thane sitting in that chair, looking out that window and looking pathetic and he is my Shep's LI and I had to see that and what could I do? Not much if I wanted to see recycled dialogue. But then again, after hearing him say these things to Shep during that convo, "we always knew it would come to an end" or "there are things I must give up for him (Kolyat)" it sounds like he dumped Shep anyway. The latter strikes a nerve with me, it is the biggest bunch of BS that you can say to someone. It's not like Koylat is two years old and Shepard hates kids or refuses to share his time. Kolyat's a big boy, I'm sure he'd understand, I'm sure he'd want his father happy and with the amount of time Shep stops at the Citadel during the game, well seeing his father would not be a problem.
It's even worse to hear those things AFTER private time. Then it makes Thane look like the one who used Shep. It makes every line he said to her ME2 sound like a game plan to infiltrate her panties. I know that's not how it is but the whole placement of things in ME3 can make it look like that. He wasn't playing her but BW made it definitely look like Shep was playing a dying man. Which is just so sick and disgusting.
At this point, BW should have stuck a fly swatter in his hand and kept him on fly swatting duty while he sat in that chair. "Amonkira, Lord of Hunters, Grant that my hands be steady, my aim be true, and my feet swift and should the worst come to pass....." ***thwap*** "Grant me forgiveness."
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Posté 09 juin 2012 - 10:10
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utaker1988 wrote...
At this point, BW should have stuck a fly swatter in his hand and kept him on fly swatting duty while he sat in that chair. "Amonkira, Lord of Hunters, Grant that my hands be steady, my aim be true, and my feet swift and should the worst come to pass....." ***thwap*** "Grant me forgiveness."
Ahahaha Utaker1988 even If the meaning of this sentence is sad I can't help but laught at the picture...thought first I read sweating at place of swatting...
#12029
Posté 10 juin 2012 - 12:36
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That is just it. This has been one of our major gripes about how he was written in me3. Using ME2 as the starting point for his characterization (obviously) you witness much of his development from resigned death to making comments about his son's relationship (if loyal), and scrabbling for a handhold during the final boss scene (yes, I realize that the animation is pretty much the same for all of them, but still....). Then of course, if he is romanced, he tells you he fears dying now BECAUSE there are things for him to live FOR!! That is one of the reasons I would argue that his statements in me3 are BS even for a non-romanced friend/loyal Thane. Throw the romance on the pile, and BAM; absolute disaster of a character arc. Those that think otherwise I would argue, never really got to know him, or didn't care about him anyway.
And the more I ponder on it, the more asinine it was for them to set it up to have the LotSB letter sent again. I have always detested the fact that they recycled that, but it clearly contradicts everything he basically says to Shep in the one very short convo you get with him in me3. Just one more lazy bit to toss on the pyre.
His son living in a Galaxy on the verge of annihilation should have been enough. His friendship should have been enough. His love interest (and yes, BW, YOU put that term "love" in his LotSB letter) should have been enough. Enough to get off his pretty little arse and pwn some reapers, dammit!!
<heave/sigh> Fix this please.................................
And the more I ponder on it, the more asinine it was for them to set it up to have the LotSB letter sent again. I have always detested the fact that they recycled that, but it clearly contradicts everything he basically says to Shep in the one very short convo you get with him in me3. Just one more lazy bit to toss on the pyre.
His son living in a Galaxy on the verge of annihilation should have been enough. His friendship should have been enough. His love interest (and yes, BW, YOU put that term "love" in his LotSB letter) should have been enough. Enough to get off his pretty little arse and pwn some reapers, dammit!!
<heave/sigh> Fix this please.................................
#12030
Posté 10 juin 2012 - 02:02
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That letter may have seemed sweet in LotSB but not so much in ME3. It seems every Shepard except Sheploo and those who made him unloyal got it. But you know what, I'd rather have the recycled one. Why? We all seen how he was written in ME3, imagine if that writer was in charge of writing a Thane letter? Good gawds...I shudder to think of how it would be. I imagine it would make TroLeng's troll letter seem like a masterpiece.
Shepard Siha,
As I sit here contemplating my glorious end to a life, pardon me I must cough, where was I? Oh yes, the end of my life, I find that I accomplished all that a life could. You remember my son Kolyat? You helped me stop him from assassinating that turian. (cough, wheeze, cough). I am sorry that I could not join you on the Normandy, I hope you understand that my grown up son was on a path of destruction. I needed to be here for him, to save him. Although, I am incapable of saving myself right now, I think I can save Kolyat. (cough, cough, wheeze).
Do not grieve for me, my life is not worth mourning over. I've done bad things, things you helped me atone for. I thank you for that, I thank you for believing in me when no one else did. Really, no one did as I made myself an island. I remember our night together often. I remember it in perfect detail, sometimes..well, that isn't appropriate to type out. I also remember the other times, I captured it all in a greybox. I left it with Joker the last time you were on the Citadel, in Purgatory having drinks with a James Vega, nice of you to stop by. (cough, cough, cough) I realize you were busy and while I might not have had much to say, your presence was all I really needed. I also noticed you sneaking behind me to go visit Ashley/Kaidan, my brain may have been low on oxygen but I did notice you trying to avoid me. I also noticed you bought them a gift. But I am not petty like that, we had our moment of passion in the waiting room. (cough, wheeze, cough) I think of that often too. Hold on my pants are constricting. I think of us a little too much I believe.
I love you. Know this for factShepard Siha, I will continue to watch over and protect you. I also know that you don't believe in the drell goddesses like I do but I will send one to guide you when things seem darkest for you. (cough, cough, wheeze).
I will await you across the sea. Try not to avoid me this time.
Thane
As I sit here contemplating my glorious end to a life, pardon me I must cough, where was I? Oh yes, the end of my life, I find that I accomplished all that a life could. You remember my son Kolyat? You helped me stop him from assassinating that turian. (cough, wheeze, cough). I am sorry that I could not join you on the Normandy, I hope you understand that my grown up son was on a path of destruction. I needed to be here for him, to save him. Although, I am incapable of saving myself right now, I think I can save Kolyat. (cough, cough, wheeze).
Do not grieve for me, my life is not worth mourning over. I've done bad things, things you helped me atone for. I thank you for that, I thank you for believing in me when no one else did. Really, no one did as I made myself an island. I remember our night together often. I remember it in perfect detail, sometimes..well, that isn't appropriate to type out. I also remember the other times, I captured it all in a greybox. I left it with Joker the last time you were on the Citadel, in Purgatory having drinks with a James Vega, nice of you to stop by. (cough, cough, cough) I realize you were busy and while I might not have had much to say, your presence was all I really needed. I also noticed you sneaking behind me to go visit Ashley/Kaidan, my brain may have been low on oxygen but I did notice you trying to avoid me. I also noticed you bought them a gift. But I am not petty like that, we had our moment of passion in the waiting room. (cough, wheeze, cough) I think of that often too. Hold on my pants are constricting. I think of us a little too much I believe.
I love you. Know this for fact
I will await you across the sea. Try not to avoid me this time.
Thane
#12031
Posté 10 juin 2012 - 01:25
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Just came across this on dA. By pheonixoffire.
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#12032
Posté 10 juin 2012 - 03:07
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Just a question, that I realise that none of you will likely know the answer to but:
Does anyone know the source of the Thomas Hobbes quote from ME2? You know:
"When all the world is overcharged with inhabitants, then the last remedy of all is war, which provideth for every man, by victory or death."
Anyway, here's the Thane's As Female LI" portion of the Thane's Roles in ME2 section. Only three paragraphs long, at the end of what will likely be a three-page section. Tried not to go into too much detail to try to avoid repeating myself in the "Thane as LI" section.
Not entirely happy with this, so I was wondering if I could get your opinion, if you don't mind.
"Thane’s final role was as the female LI. Everything about him was designed with this in mind. His character model radiated sexual appeal, from his soulful black eyes, full lips, and “perfect” male physique to his idle and walk animations and his deep, filtered voice. As once stated by Derek Watts: “[…] women were going to have to find this guy attractive.” His form was familiar enough to human to render him exotic, instead of alien, allowing women to be more easily attracted to him.
Yet it was Thane’s personality and personal history which truly captured the mature female heart. At all times he was polite and courteous, whether he was responding to a paragon or a renegade dialogue option. He exuded a cool confidence, was deadly on the battlefield, and held himself to an interesting and truly alien moral code.
His past evoked confliction emotions of sympathy and disgust, compassion and anger. In the end, he was an interesting, fully-fledged, three-dimensional character, one whom women could not help but be intrigued by."
Expectations is going in the Fanbook group intro thread, Thane and drell as metaphors will hopefully go up tomorrow, it's not as easy to write as people would like to think. This thing has to be perfect.
Anyway, it's after 1.00AM so i'm going to bed. Hopefully to dream of drells and ridges.
thank you for my hugs girls. i needed them. *inter-continental huggles*
Also, was thinking about quoting some of you guys' posts in the reactions section. What do you think about that? I won't do it unless you agree, but I would like to take screenies of individual posts if I can't quote them directly. You know, for proof.
Ooh, utaker, I have a question for you too. Later though. I'm falling asleep at my keyboard...
Zzzzzzzzz.
Does anyone know the source of the Thomas Hobbes quote from ME2? You know:
"When all the world is overcharged with inhabitants, then the last remedy of all is war, which provideth for every man, by victory or death."
Anyway, here's the Thane's As Female LI" portion of the Thane's Roles in ME2 section. Only three paragraphs long, at the end of what will likely be a three-page section. Tried not to go into too much detail to try to avoid repeating myself in the "Thane as LI" section.
Not entirely happy with this, so I was wondering if I could get your opinion, if you don't mind.
"Thane’s final role was as the female LI. Everything about him was designed with this in mind. His character model radiated sexual appeal, from his soulful black eyes, full lips, and “perfect” male physique to his idle and walk animations and his deep, filtered voice. As once stated by Derek Watts: “[…] women were going to have to find this guy attractive.” His form was familiar enough to human to render him exotic, instead of alien, allowing women to be more easily attracted to him.
Yet it was Thane’s personality and personal history which truly captured the mature female heart. At all times he was polite and courteous, whether he was responding to a paragon or a renegade dialogue option. He exuded a cool confidence, was deadly on the battlefield, and held himself to an interesting and truly alien moral code.
His past evoked confliction emotions of sympathy and disgust, compassion and anger. In the end, he was an interesting, fully-fledged, three-dimensional character, one whom women could not help but be intrigued by."
Expectations is going in the Fanbook group intro thread, Thane and drell as metaphors will hopefully go up tomorrow, it's not as easy to write as people would like to think. This thing has to be perfect.
Anyway, it's after 1.00AM so i'm going to bed. Hopefully to dream of drells and ridges.
thank you for my hugs girls. i needed them. *inter-continental huggles*
Also, was thinking about quoting some of you guys' posts in the reactions section. What do you think about that? I won't do it unless you agree, but I would like to take screenies of individual posts if I can't quote them directly. You know, for proof.
Ooh, utaker, I have a question for you too. Later though. I'm falling asleep at my keyboard...
Zzzzzzzzz.
#12033
Posté 10 juin 2012 - 03:41
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@mythlover
I googled it and it is from Chapter XXX of Leviathan
I googled it and it is from Chapter XXX of Leviathan
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Posté 10 juin 2012 - 04:58
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Anyone ever actually read Leviathan? Other than nerds like myself in high school? I read a lot of things and still do other than trashy pornz. Mostly forensics and constitutional stuff though, yeah I is a geek.
I am here myth if needed and I hope I can be of some help.
As for dreams of drell and ridges...and this is probably some would be too embarrassed to admit too. If you want to increase your dreams of them, wait until you are really tired and your mind is susceptible to infiltration, look at Thane and then start having ridgey thoughts. Don't go into too much detail though or you'll find yourself not being able to sleep. Of course, I do have that huge arsed Assassin poster hanging in front of my bed, makes it easier to not forget.
Will also get you into trouble. Do you know what gets you in trouble? Waking up to someone touching you and you mutter, "Thane." LMAO!!!! Yeah, I didn't get any that night. And I heard about it for a few days after too. I had to hear such comments as, "Have Thane make you dinner", "Well why don't you just ask Thane to mow the lawn", "Go ask your lizard to make your coffee", "Tell frog man to watch Halloween with you", and my favorite..we went out to dinner and the waitress asked if it was just the two of us and he had to say, "I don't know, will Thane be joining us?" I wanted to smack him.
I am here myth if needed and I hope I can be of some help.
As for dreams of drell and ridges...and this is probably some would be too embarrassed to admit too. If you want to increase your dreams of them, wait until you are really tired and your mind is susceptible to infiltration, look at Thane and then start having ridgey thoughts. Don't go into too much detail though or you'll find yourself not being able to sleep. Of course, I do have that huge arsed Assassin poster hanging in front of my bed, makes it easier to not forget.
Will also get you into trouble. Do you know what gets you in trouble? Waking up to someone touching you and you mutter, "Thane." LMAO!!!! Yeah, I didn't get any that night. And I heard about it for a few days after too. I had to hear such comments as, "Have Thane make you dinner", "Well why don't you just ask Thane to mow the lawn", "Go ask your lizard to make your coffee", "Tell frog man to watch Halloween with you", and my favorite..we went out to dinner and the waitress asked if it was just the two of us and he had to say, "I don't know, will Thane be joining us?" I wanted to smack him.
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Posté 10 juin 2012 - 05:05
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Wasn't there someone on here who had the full dialogue of Thane's from me3?? Was it @Julia_xo? I have a thought to do a break-down of the LotSB letter now.....it has been eating at me for a few days how contrary to his dialogue in me3 he is compared to the LotSB letter. Anyway, if anyone has the dialogue let me know. I'll also do some scouring on the webz. Thanks in advance, lovelies!
#12036
Posté 10 juin 2012 - 06:07
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utaker1988 wrote...
He has no responsibilities but he cannot go because he needs to be there for Kolyat.
Sad thing is he doesn't mention Kolyat at all if romanced. His excuse for not returning to the Normandy is that he needs daily medical care. Guess he forgot the Normandy has a fully functional med-bay and doctor.
Let's compare the parting dialogue for a second:
Shepard: I wish the best for you, Thane.
Thane's response (nonromanced): And I for you. Do not grieve for me. I have good doctors. My son visits regularly. Perhaps we will keep up via the extranet now that you are free. Until we meet again, Shepard.
Thane's response (romanced): I think of us often Siha, but we always knew it would come to an end. Live well in the time you have, perhaps we will see each other again.
There is something so wrong with this. He only mentions his son if not romanced and he seems willing to try to keep in touch. If romanced he's much less certain about keeping in touch and doesn't mention Kolyat.
It's like he's saying "It's over, have a nice life"
WTF. I don't know who that Drell was, but he certainly wasn't Thane. And the Shepard in those scenes with him who was uninterested and indifferent to everything but 'private time' was certainly not my Shepard.
utaker1988 wrote...
Do you know how much of a gigantic @ss I felt like going back to talk to Ashley after she accepts the Spectre position? There is Thane sitting in that chair, looking out that window and looking pathetic and he is my Shep's LI and I had to see that and what could I do? Not much if I wanted to see recycled dialogue. But then again, after hearing him say these things to Shep during that convo, "we always knew it would come to an end" or "there are things I must give up for him (Kolyat)" it sounds like he dumped Shep anyway. The latter strikes a nerve with me, it is the biggest bunch of BS that you can say to someone. It's not like Koylat is two years old and Shepard hates kids or refuses to share his time. Kolyat's a big boy, I'm sure he'd understand, I'm sure he'd want his father happy and with the amount of time Shep stops at the Citadel during the game, well seeing his father would not be a problem.
It's even worse to hear those things AFTER private time. Then it makes Thane look like the one who used Shep. It makes every line he said to her ME2 sound like a game plan to infiltrate her panties. I know that's not how it is but the whole placement of things in ME3 can make it look like that. He wasn't playing her but BW made it definitely look like Shep was playing a dying man. Which is just so sick and disgusting.
Agreed so much. Whether Thane is romanced or not the game makes him feel inconsequential to Shepard. Especially when you compare to the VS who is at the same hospital. If Shepard chooses, she can visit the VS while they're still unconcious to stand vigil at their bedside and hope they get better. You can visit them at least two more times after and bring gifts and experience new dialogue.
Thane, in contrast, can not even be told that HE is the reason Shepard is at the hospital. Auto-dialogue takes over to let him know Shep is there for the VS, regardless of player intent. We just had the reigns pulled out of our hands which tends to happen quite a bit in ME3.
All Thane's dialogue can be exhausted in that single conversation (come back to the Normandy, does it hurt, how long do you have to live, plus 'private time' if romanced). So there's no point in visiting him again unless you enjoy hearing him tell you that he's got no responsibilities, he's totally cool with dying, and we always knew it would end, etc.
Yet there are side-quests that take place at the hospital so you end up running through there quite a bit and are forced to see him sitting in that chair all alone just staring out the window. It's BS.
They made it seem like the ME2 relationship was a fling on both sides. ME3 is the awkward reunion and 'private time' is the one last hurrah before the dying man croaks. It's just insulting and tasteless to see what the relationship was reduced to and the player has no control whatsoever over what happens.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't he only say "there are things I must give up for him (Kolyat)" if unloyal? It never came up for me and Thane is loyal in my game (it's the only way to romance him in ME2)
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Posté 10 juin 2012 - 06:15
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coldwetn0se wrote...
Wasn't there someone on here who had the full dialogue of Thane's from me3?? Was it @Julia_xo? I have a thought to do a break-down of the LotSB letter now.....it has been eating at me for a few days how contrary to his dialogue in me3 he is compared to the LotSB letter. Anyway, if anyone has the dialogue let me know. I'll also do some scouring on the webz. Thanks in advance, lovelies!
The dialogue I transcribed was mostly the Kepral's related stuff as reference for the medical discussion in the group.I can transcribe the rest though. Not like there's much to it.
I would be interetsed in reading your comparison. The Lotsb letter was a slap to the face in light of what they had Thane say in ME3. Just one big contradiction.
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Posté 10 juin 2012 - 06:46
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Julia_xo wrote...
coldwetn0se wrote...
Wasn't there someone on here who had the full dialogue of Thane's from me3?? Was it @Julia_xo? I have a thought to do a break-down of the LotSB letter now.....it has been eating at me for a few days how contrary to his dialogue in me3 he is compared to the LotSB letter. Anyway, if anyone has the dialogue let me know. I'll also do some scouring on the webz. Thanks in advance, lovelies!
The dialogue I transcribed was mostly the Kepral's related stuff as reference for the medical discussion in the group.I can transcribe the rest though. Not like there's much to it.
I would be interetsed in reading your comparison. The Lotsb letter was a slap to the face in light of what they had Thane say in ME3. Just one big contradiction.
Julia you are a Goddess! I would do this myself, but I don't have any saves any more of me3 (beside, why disturb the beautiful layer of dust on my copy of me3......I can just about measure it with a ruler...
) My thoughts on the LotSB letter is nagging because it is an actual in-game character reference in me3. BW chose to add this letter (assuming Thanemancers hadn't already seen it in LotSB
) to appease Thanemancers, but by doing so they actively show how contrary to his original character arc they really made him, in me3. I will post it here and probably in one of the Thane Groups. I will grab the Kepral's related stuff that you already transcibed, from the medical discussion. Thank you again, so much.
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#12039
Posté 10 juin 2012 - 06:54
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Well, as for the audio that depends if you want it written out and in audio form. In which case, I have it up, along with the stuff that didn't make it into the game. It's sad but there are 10 pages of ME2 audio files and two pages of ME3. Sad, sad, sad.
Somewhere in one of the two Thane threads on here, I pretty much broke down and blasted that letter. It was painful to do because it was so full of inconsistencies and nonsense.
Somewhere in one of the two Thane threads on here, I pretty much broke down and blasted that letter. It was painful to do because it was so full of inconsistencies and nonsense.
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Posté 10 juin 2012 - 07:13
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Okay, here's what I got. Kaidan was romanced in ME1 so there's reference to that:
Thane: Siha. I heard Earth was under attack. I didn't know you'd made it out.
Shepard: Thane. It's been too long. I was beginning to think I'd never see you again.
*insert glitched hand hold*
Thane: I sent a few messages while you were incarcerated, but I suspect they never got past the guards. What are you doing here?
Shepard: Visiting a friend, Kaidan. He got hurt protecting me.
Thane: The human biotic in intensive care. *cough* I saw the the marks of an implant.
Shepard: Yeah.
Thane: We have spoken. He was holding out hope that a woman would visit him. Is there something I should know about you two?
Shepard: (We were intimate once) We were together for awhile before the first Normandy was destroyed.
Thane: And grew apart I gather?
*insert Shep's exorcist-inspired neck turn*
Thane: Your enemies may try to finish him off here. I will look out for him.
Shepard: I appreciate it, Thane.
Thane: I am near the end of my life. It is a good time to be generous. I have only a few loves left and you are my last. Let me do what I can for you.
If Kiss interrupt is not taken:
Thane: Kepral's Syndrome will unfortunately keep us apart.
If Kiss interrupt is taken:
Thane: Well.... I see you want to make up for lost time. I should warn you that you may not want your final memories of me to be in this hospital. Kepral's Syndrome is.... not kind.
Shepard: (Can't you come with me?) I'm back on the Normandy on an important mission. Sure could use you.
Thane: I would not be as I was before. I need daily medical attention. And if I know you, you will want to fight the Reapers somehow. You need the best at your side and I am not at mine.
Shepard: (You can still help.) You don't have to wrestle down Krogan and break their necks. I'm sure we could find you lighter work.
Thane: I'm at peace with what I've done in my life, Shepard. There comes a time when one must rest from war and conflict. It's not your time, but it is mine.
Shepard:(How long will you live?) Do you know how much time you have left?
Thane: I've been to several doctors. My favorite gave me three months to live... nine months ago. It's freeing to find no requirements placed on me. No responsibilities, no fears. It is a good end to a life.
Shepard:(Does it hurt?) Are you in a lot of pain?
Thane: At times. The oxygen transfer proteins don't form correctly. Your human equivalent would be hemoglobin. As a result, my blood is low in oxygen. No matter how much I breathe in I get tingling, numbness ...and that is the best of it. As for my brain, I cannot track the damage. I just experience dizziness from time to time.
Shepard: (Goodbye, Thane.) I wish the best for you, Thane.
Thane: I think of us often Siha, but we always knew it would come to an end. Live well in the time you have, perhaps we will see each other again.
Shepard: (Let's find some privacy) I've got a few free moments. Do you want to spend a little time together?
Thane: I'd like that. You should understand that my cardiovascular system is not what it was...Mmm.
*insert make-out here*
Shepard: You were saying something?
Thane: I missed you, Shepard.
Thane: Siha. I heard Earth was under attack. I didn't know you'd made it out.
Shepard: Thane. It's been too long. I was beginning to think I'd never see you again.
*insert glitched hand hold*
Thane: I sent a few messages while you were incarcerated, but I suspect they never got past the guards. What are you doing here?
Shepard: Visiting a friend, Kaidan. He got hurt protecting me.
Thane: The human biotic in intensive care. *cough* I saw the the marks of an implant.
Shepard: Yeah.
Thane: We have spoken. He was holding out hope that a woman would visit him. Is there something I should know about you two?
Shepard: (We were intimate once) We were together for awhile before the first Normandy was destroyed.
Thane: And grew apart I gather?
*insert Shep's exorcist-inspired neck turn*
Thane: Your enemies may try to finish him off here. I will look out for him.
Shepard: I appreciate it, Thane.
Thane: I am near the end of my life. It is a good time to be generous. I have only a few loves left and you are my last. Let me do what I can for you.
If Kiss interrupt is not taken:
Thane: Kepral's Syndrome will unfortunately keep us apart.
If Kiss interrupt is taken:
Thane: Well.... I see you want to make up for lost time. I should warn you that you may not want your final memories of me to be in this hospital. Kepral's Syndrome is.... not kind.
Shepard: (Can't you come with me?) I'm back on the Normandy on an important mission. Sure could use you.
Thane: I would not be as I was before. I need daily medical attention. And if I know you, you will want to fight the Reapers somehow. You need the best at your side and I am not at mine.
Shepard: (You can still help.) You don't have to wrestle down Krogan and break their necks. I'm sure we could find you lighter work.
Thane: I'm at peace with what I've done in my life, Shepard. There comes a time when one must rest from war and conflict. It's not your time, but it is mine.
Shepard:(How long will you live?) Do you know how much time you have left?
Thane: I've been to several doctors. My favorite gave me three months to live... nine months ago. It's freeing to find no requirements placed on me. No responsibilities, no fears. It is a good end to a life.
Shepard:(Does it hurt?) Are you in a lot of pain?
Thane: At times. The oxygen transfer proteins don't form correctly. Your human equivalent would be hemoglobin. As a result, my blood is low in oxygen. No matter how much I breathe in I get tingling, numbness ...and that is the best of it. As for my brain, I cannot track the damage. I just experience dizziness from time to time.
Shepard: (Goodbye, Thane.) I wish the best for you, Thane.
Thane: I think of us often Siha, but we always knew it would come to an end. Live well in the time you have, perhaps we will see each other again.
Shepard: (Let's find some privacy) I've got a few free moments. Do you want to spend a little time together?
Thane: I'd like that. You should understand that my cardiovascular system is not what it was...Mmm.
*insert make-out here*
Shepard: You were saying something?
Thane: I missed you, Shepard.
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Posté 10 juin 2012 - 07:23
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@julia:
Why must Thane's only conversation mostly be about the VS? I'm surprised they didn't have him talk on and on about Liara!
Sheesh. It's almost the same situation with Jacob. I can't even talk to him in the hospital because it's weird and almost painful. Knowing that there were people who romanced him and liked only to get stomped on made me hurt.
Same with Thane. Was going to go back to ME2 and romance him, but I can't do that to myself know how my friends here feel about what they did to him in ME3.
I do not accept what they did to him. I don't care about him going out like a boss. I care about losing a friend. I care about femShep losing her choices, I care about how only femShep's LI can autodie or cheat on her, yet maleShep's stay loyal.
People should care, but it's all about how Thane was going to die or Jacob was unpopular. Sigh.
I've said this before, but even though I didn't romance Thane, this bugged the crap out of me. No, I do not want to talk about the stupid VS. I want to talk to my friend and see how he is, about his son, and other things. The VS can wait.Agreed so much. Whether Thane is romanced or not the game makes him feel inconsequential to Shepard. Especially when you compare to the VS who is at the same hospital. If Shepard chooses, she can visit the VS while they're still unconcious to stand vigil at their bedside and hope they get better. You can visit them at least two more times after and bring gifts and experience new dialogue.
Thane, in contrast, can not even be told that HE is the reason Shepard is at the hospital. Auto-dialogue takes over to let him know Shep is there for the VS, regardless of player intent. We just had the reigns pulled out of our hands which tends to happen quite a bit in ME3.
All Thane's dialogue can be exhausted in that single conversation (come back to the Normandy, does it hurt, how long do you have to live, plus 'private time' if romanced). So there's no point in visiting him again unless you enjoy hearing him tell you that he's got no responsibilities, he's totally cool with dying, and we always knew it would end, etc.
Yet there are side-quests that take place at the hospital so you end up running through there quite a bit and are forced to see him sitting in that chair all alone just staring out the window. It's BS.
Why must Thane's only conversation mostly be about the VS? I'm surprised they didn't have him talk on and on about Liara!
Sheesh. It's almost the same situation with Jacob. I can't even talk to him in the hospital because it's weird and almost painful. Knowing that there were people who romanced him and liked only to get stomped on made me hurt.
Same with Thane. Was going to go back to ME2 and romance him, but I can't do that to myself know how my friends here feel about what they did to him in ME3.
I do not accept what they did to him. I don't care about him going out like a boss. I care about losing a friend. I care about femShep losing her choices, I care about how only femShep's LI can autodie or cheat on her, yet maleShep's stay loyal.
People should care, but it's all about how Thane was going to die or Jacob was unpopular. Sigh.
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Posté 10 juin 2012 - 07:56
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One of the things that seriously ticks me off in this exchange is how he reverts to calling her "Shepard" a few times.
When things left off in ME2, she was "Siha", always, when they were in private. "Shepard" was for when they were in the presence of the rest of the team or crew. Reverting to calling her Shepard is one of the many things that makes the conversation feel so cold and counter to what their relationshiup was in ME2. The entire conversation feels forced; like they are strangers.
Not to mention, the whole Arrival thing again. In ME2, if you didn't import from ME1, it was assumed that you did no side missions AND no DLC. In ME3, they force the Arrival DLC on you, which screws with all, but especially the Thane romance, since, yeah, he's dying. There is no way Thane would be sitting at some hospital on the Citadel, while his Siha was on a forced lockdown on Earth. Not after his confession of how scared he was of dying now that he found her (and renewed his relationship with Kolyat). What, Earth doesn't have hospitals? It's like he said, "Oh, well, nevermind. Guess I'll trot off to die now."
If BW wouldn't have decided to force the events of Arrival, or at the very least, Shephards incarceration afterwards (she stole the Normandy once, she can flee again for the good of the galaxy!), the entire team from ME2 would still have been together at the beginnning of ME3. Thane and Shep would never had parted, and this nonsense at the Citadel would not have taken place. Also, with the full squad still together, Shep would have been much stronger off the bat, instead of everyone scattering and her having to assemble a team (again), wrangling up a few veteran and a few new crew members. The team didn't feel nearly as strong as ME2. Shouldn't it have felt stronger? I mean, she needs to fight the Reapers, here, which are 1000x worse than just the Collectors!
Also, as fun as recruiting missions are, I expected much more of "going to invaded worlds to save people" in ME3 than what we actually did. It ended up being all about scratching other people's backs to get them to do what we needed them to do.
Bah. Now I'm angry again.
When things left off in ME2, she was "Siha", always, when they were in private. "Shepard" was for when they were in the presence of the rest of the team or crew. Reverting to calling her Shepard is one of the many things that makes the conversation feel so cold and counter to what their relationshiup was in ME2. The entire conversation feels forced; like they are strangers.
Not to mention, the whole Arrival thing again. In ME2, if you didn't import from ME1, it was assumed that you did no side missions AND no DLC. In ME3, they force the Arrival DLC on you, which screws with all, but especially the Thane romance, since, yeah, he's dying. There is no way Thane would be sitting at some hospital on the Citadel, while his Siha was on a forced lockdown on Earth. Not after his confession of how scared he was of dying now that he found her (and renewed his relationship with Kolyat). What, Earth doesn't have hospitals? It's like he said, "Oh, well, nevermind. Guess I'll trot off to die now."
If BW wouldn't have decided to force the events of Arrival, or at the very least, Shephards incarceration afterwards (she stole the Normandy once, she can flee again for the good of the galaxy!), the entire team from ME2 would still have been together at the beginnning of ME3. Thane and Shep would never had parted, and this nonsense at the Citadel would not have taken place. Also, with the full squad still together, Shep would have been much stronger off the bat, instead of everyone scattering and her having to assemble a team (again), wrangling up a few veteran and a few new crew members. The team didn't feel nearly as strong as ME2. Shouldn't it have felt stronger? I mean, she needs to fight the Reapers, here, which are 1000x worse than just the Collectors!
Also, as fun as recruiting missions are, I expected much more of "going to invaded worlds to save people" in ME3 than what we actually did. It ended up being all about scratching other people's backs to get them to do what we needed them to do.
Bah. Now I'm angry again.
Modifié par giftfish, 10 juin 2012 - 07:57 .
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Posté 10 juin 2012 - 08:03
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@Julia_xo, Goddess Extraordinaire!! Thank you so much for this! I will start immediately......you should know, I have really liked your exposition on Thane in me3. Very well thought out!
@utaker - You know, I think I remember that LotSB letter analysis that you did! Damn.....we should try and find it and put it up on the Thane group as well.
@Dinaboo - How right you are.......I am going to throw out a suggestion to you; if you get the time, and just feel like playing ME2 again (regardless of ever importing), do a Thane romance run. I have two unfinished play throughs in ME2 right now, but I have decided once they are done, I AM going to do a Garrus run......though I won't be importing into me3. I have YouTubed the romance between Garrus and Shep in me3, so I will have to settle for that.
I only suggest this since the nuances of actually "playing" the romance and "view" (like YouTube) is not always the same. That is one of the reasons I am going to do this analysis; perhaps those that didn't romance him, or only ever looked at some of the material on YouTube will see what is so clearly broken about his character in me3. Just like I misinterpreted Garrus (even though I ran through some of the romance lines myself with an abused save in ME2); without doing the whole romance in ME2, there was things I missed. Anyway, just a thought, but would understand if you didn't wish to do this.
@utaker - You know, I think I remember that LotSB letter analysis that you did! Damn.....we should try and find it and put it up on the Thane group as well.
@Dinaboo - How right you are.......I am going to throw out a suggestion to you; if you get the time, and just feel like playing ME2 again (regardless of ever importing), do a Thane romance run. I have two unfinished play throughs in ME2 right now, but I have decided once they are done, I AM going to do a Garrus run......though I won't be importing into me3. I have YouTubed the romance between Garrus and Shep in me3, so I will have to settle for that.
I only suggest this since the nuances of actually "playing" the romance and "view" (like YouTube) is not always the same. That is one of the reasons I am going to do this analysis; perhaps those that didn't romance him, or only ever looked at some of the material on YouTube will see what is so clearly broken about his character in me3. Just like I misinterpreted Garrus (even though I ran through some of the romance lines myself with an abused save in ME2); without doing the whole romance in ME2, there was things I missed. Anyway, just a thought, but would understand if you didn't wish to do this.
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Posté 10 juin 2012 - 08:20
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Sorry for the post spamming.......@Julia - With the exception of "We were intimate once", is everything else up to the Interrupt, autodialogue? If I recall from my partial play through, my Cate Shepard import (which did NOT have the Kaidan romance) had nothing but autodialogue until the Interrupt. Could be remembering it wrong.....hmmm.
@giftfish - That, that, that!! Most have read my diatribes on that beginning (only played Arrival once, and hated the outcome of that DLC.....not to mention 'no squaddies' on the mission....bleh!).
@giftfish - That, that, that!! Most have read my diatribes on that beginning (only played Arrival once, and hated the outcome of that DLC.....not to mention 'no squaddies' on the mission....bleh!).
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Posté 10 juin 2012 - 09:40
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I do not accept what they did to him. I don't care about him going out like a boss. I care about losing a friend. I care about femShep losing her choices, I care about how only femShep's LI can autodie or cheat on her, yet maleShep's stay loyal.
People should care, but it's all about how Thane was going to die or Jacob was unpopular. Sigh.
@DineBoo Well said! Yeah, I'm always sad when people try to hand-wave the issue by saying "you knew he was dying" because it glosses over everything that was wrong with how Thane's character was treated in ME3. Same with how people say Jacob auto-cheats because he was 'unpopular'.
It doesn't matter. Instead of treating Thane's character as nothing but a death scene waiting to happen and ignoring his character development from the previous game why couldn't they build on his development instead? Why couldn't our choices matter? Why couldn't they deliver on all their foreshadowing of an option? Why couldn't Thane talk about more than the VS or his disease? Why wasn't he worth a paramour achievement? Why couldn't Shepard tell him she loves him, if romanced? And even if he was just a friend, like you pointed out why couldn't there have been more to the dialogue?
And if Jacob was unpopular why couldn't they have tried to improve it instead of trashing his romance without thought to the fans who liked him and his romance? Why was it only FemShep specfic romances that got the chopping block? Seems like there are deeper issues here and we need to call BioWare out on them.
@giftfish The shift from Siha to Shepard was jarring for me, too. I think it's obvious that those bits when he says 'Siha' were tacked on as an afterthought. Most of his dialogue makes more sense if Shepard is just an acquaintance. It all falls apart in the context of romance because it doesn't address his character progression/development from the previous game. They just threw in a kiss interrupt and a make-out and called it a day. Most of the dialogue is word-for-word the same whether he is romanced or not.
Sorryfor the delay!@Julia - With the exception of "We were intimate once", is everything else up to the Interrupt, autodialogue? If I recall from my partial play through, my Cate Shepard import (which did NOT have the Kaidan romance) had nothing but autodialogue until the Interrupt. Could be remembering it wrong.....hmmm.
You're right. If Thane is the only romance active then everything is auto-dialogue until the kiss interrupt. If you romanced Kaidan in ME1, you're given a choice between "We were intimate once" or "we're still intimate." The choice is just an illusion though because even if you choose to stay with Thane, it doesn't count.
I look forward to your breakdown of the letter and how it contradicts Thane's words and behavior in ME3. I think I found Utaker's awesome post on it in the protesting thread! From page 147:
No, his romance was not handled well and while some like to think his role was fitting, I beg to differ. His role was fine for an acquaintance of Shepard's and nothing more. This is NOT the man who was crying in my Shep's cabin about his mortality and not being at peace with it. His whole role in ME3 was sloppily done and a disservice to his character progression and romance. I'm glad others are happy with it, we are not.
This right here burns at me.....from his letter.
"I once accepted my fate." Really? Shep gets this letter AFTER you die (really we all see it in LotSB but let's just say for giggles one is seeing it for the first time). He wrote this technically before the SM but BW is handing it to Shep now when he dies in ME3. So now it makes no damn sense and reeks of laziness. So, you are telling me in your final words to Shep that you ONCE accepted your fate, meaning you no longer accept it? I find that quite odd because in the first meeting on the Citadel, you are accepting it. BW, make up your mind. Does he accept dying or not?
"The expectation to move swiftly to my end vanished upon uniting with your cause."---Ok, once he joins Shep's cause his belief on dying quickly goes away. If one doesn't want to believe in dying quickly for whatever reason means there must be a reason for wanting to live longer. Didn't see this Thane in ME3. Where did he go? Oh yeah, into the black abyss of sloppy writing.
"You awoke me, Shepard. My heart quickened its sluggish beat if only to remain at your side and protect you with everything that I am."--- Now this is just a slap in the face. Shep asked him to join the Normandy and he didn't want too because he felt he wouldn't be of any use to her and well, Kolyat. I can excuse the Kolyat reason but I don't see him real flippin' eager to protect her unless she is in danger of being mauled by medical equipment.
"I love you. "--- Oh the pain. Shep couldn't even muster the same to him. He was taking his last breath's and she couldn't even say those three words to him. /kamikaze faceplant. Sadism at it's finest folks. BW gives Thane a disease, a crappy past and then allows him to fall in love. Sprinkles in hopes of a treatment or cure, then comes ME3. Makes him happy to die, Shepard appearing like a horny teenager, and then he dies as a result of a wound obtained by the worst assassin I've ever seen. Even Zevran and his "Below the Belt" move is more impressive. Then we get stone face Shep at his death bed, not one tear, no I love you, and then everyone forgets about him (except troll Leng). What a hard kick in the balls to Thane. I feel for him I really do.
"Selfishly, however, I could not leave this world without leaving a piece of me behind that would never fade." (the letter) and "It seems there will be no one to mourn me when I die" from his conversation in ME2. The fact that he was forgotten and seeing those statements together makes me want to cry harder than I already have. Glad you left the letter Thane, otherwise my Shep was written to forget you immediately. This way, she could be forced to remember you and then you can be deemed not important again. I think I just died again...sigh.
Is that the one?
Modifié par Julia_xo, 10 juin 2012 - 09:43 .
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Posté 10 juin 2012 - 09:55
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Again, I say that utaker lives inside my head.
Unfortunately, my hubby is not nearly as understanding. He is trying to make me jealous by putting smexy twi'lek wallpapers on his comp/cell phone to counter my Thane ones.
Doesn't seem to be working, though.
Don't feel a bit jealous, or guilty, for that matter!
Have all of you seen the baby human/drell pic I posted earlier? I was about speechless when I saw it. So ridiculously cute. Ah, if only Eyla Shephard could have had Thane's babies....
But, you know, Thane had to die.
Unfortunately, my hubby is not nearly as understanding. He is trying to make me jealous by putting smexy twi'lek wallpapers on his comp/cell phone to counter my Thane ones.
Doesn't seem to be working, though.
Don't feel a bit jealous, or guilty, for that matter!
Have all of you seen the baby human/drell pic I posted earlier? I was about speechless when I saw it. So ridiculously cute. Ah, if only Eyla Shephard could have had Thane's babies....
But, you know, Thane had to die.
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Posté 10 juin 2012 - 10:16
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On a different note, I really enjoyed my most recent playthrough of ME2, which I had posted questions about a week ago or so.
It was the first time that I imported from ME1, so it was nice to see the pieces of storyline that I missed due to not having imported previously.
Some quick impressions of ME1 in comparison to ME2:
--writing wasn't quite as good
--character development not quite as good
--game was more tedious; all the side missions (I'm a completionist)
--liked the weapon modding; glad it was back in ME3
--omg freaking omnigel
--mako > hammerhead
--omg hated Ashley; one more "Skipper" and I was gonna punch her in the ovary
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Wrex
--I missed EDI
--Why the hell does Anderson's face look like a blowfish?
--romance scence before the end mission was much better (Kaidan); tasteful, but more "real"; totally feel gipped on this now with Thane in ME2.
IDEA: Hm....don't suppose there is some hack that would allow you to skin Kaidan's body with Thane's in the love scene at the end of ME1?? Like if someone made a skin like...here? Or, is it possible to extract the skin from the game files? He'd have clothes, but, who cares! Of course, there might be some talented folks around here that could fix that :] Don't know anything about this stuff, except the bit I know from modding Oblivion/Skyrim.
I'd like to import now into ME3 to see all the plot changes from ME1 & ME2 , but I don't think I could tolerate what happens with Thane. I'm toying with the idea of copying my saves, and using Gibbed's to remove Thane's romance so that I don't get the dreaded Kaidan-love-triangle fest. Haven't used Gibbed's before, though, so haven't decided yet if I'm going there or not.
That, and then I'd be faced with the poor treatment of Thane again, regardless of romance. Experiencing it once was bad enough
It was the first time that I imported from ME1, so it was nice to see the pieces of storyline that I missed due to not having imported previously.
Some quick impressions of ME1 in comparison to ME2:
--writing wasn't quite as good
--character development not quite as good
--game was more tedious; all the side missions (I'm a completionist)
--liked the weapon modding; glad it was back in ME3
--omg freaking omnigel
--mako > hammerhead
--omg hated Ashley; one more "Skipper" and I was gonna punch her in the ovary
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Wrex--I missed EDI
--Why the hell does Anderson's face look like a blowfish?
--romance scence before the end mission was much better (Kaidan); tasteful, but more "real"; totally feel gipped on this now with Thane in ME2.
IDEA: Hm....don't suppose there is some hack that would allow you to skin Kaidan's body with Thane's in the love scene at the end of ME1?? Like if someone made a skin like...here? Or, is it possible to extract the skin from the game files? He'd have clothes, but, who cares! Of course, there might be some talented folks around here that could fix that :] Don't know anything about this stuff, except the bit I know from modding Oblivion/Skyrim.
I'd like to import now into ME3 to see all the plot changes from ME1 & ME2 , but I don't think I could tolerate what happens with Thane. I'm toying with the idea of copying my saves, and using Gibbed's to remove Thane's romance so that I don't get the dreaded Kaidan-love-triangle fest. Haven't used Gibbed's before, though, so haven't decided yet if I'm going there or not.
That, and then I'd be faced with the poor treatment of Thane again, regardless of romance. Experiencing it once was bad enough
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Posté 10 juin 2012 - 10:17
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@giftfish I saw! It's quite cute.
Drell/human babies are biologically impossible but there's still adoption. I'm sure there are lots of orphan children in need of a home, especially in the aftermath of war.
I was amused that the Garrus/FemShep romance poked fun at this by having Garrus mention finding out what a turian/human baby looks like. I watched the goodbye scene on youtube and it was really sweet and touching. I think the Garrus romance is an example of what BioWare can do when they put actual effort and care into what they're writing. It's too bad not every relationship got such good content. Only a select few were deemed worth developing.
Drell/human babies are biologically impossible but there's still adoption. I'm sure there are lots of orphan children in need of a home, especially in the aftermath of war.
I was amused that the Garrus/FemShep romance poked fun at this by having Garrus mention finding out what a turian/human baby looks like. I watched the goodbye scene on youtube and it was really sweet and touching. I think the Garrus romance is an example of what BioWare can do when they put actual effort and care into what they're writing. It's too bad not every relationship got such good content. Only a select few were deemed worth developing.
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Posté 10 juin 2012 - 10:29
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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Ok, how did I miss that? Why can't FemShep and Thane make little green bundles of joy??
Wait, maybe you shouldn't tell me. I can stay happy and ignorant.
Ok, how did I miss that? Why can't FemShep and Thane make little green bundles of joy??
Wait, maybe you shouldn't tell me. I can stay happy and ignorant.
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Posté 10 juin 2012 - 10:29
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@ giftfish I have seen the baby drell! So adorable! <3
Although drell/human babies seem to be impossible, you can always insert some space magic to make it work.
But going back to sad reality...
After reading the dialog between Shep and Thane I realised that it was even worse than i remembered. Now it really looks as though Thane just dumped Shepard. I should stop playing mass effect, stop reading forums and just try to forget... put together my own story and imagine this is what happened.
Although drell/human babies seem to be impossible, you can always insert some space magic to make it work.
But going back to sad reality...
After reading the dialog between Shep and Thane I realised that it was even worse than i remembered. Now it really looks as though Thane just dumped Shepard.
I should stop playing mass effect, stop reading forums and just try to forget... put together my own story and imagine this is what happened.
