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[mnomaha]

coldwetn0se wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

Maybe they should have stolen Gaider to write for them. He does know how to write a love interest. Not too sure about his thoughts that they did it right with Thane though...unless it's a case of colleague suckup.

It might be suckup or he too never really got to "know" Thane.  It really helps to romance Thane, but I will still contest that broShep CAN get to know Thane very well (and I RP aspects of who I take with me on missions, and since Thane was a must have....well, ya get the point), and I really do feel Thane see's more worth in living, then speeding off to his demise. 
But, I would say most that thought he was treated well in me3 did not take the time to understand his character AND they didn't care enough to examine his dialogue and content in me3.........and we know our feelings on THAT.

We'll see if he answers, but I tweeted him to see if he played ME2.

edit: TOP!!!






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Modifié par mnomaha, 13 juin 2012 - 05:22 .

[coldwetn0se]

Ooooooo.......*claps like a seal* Interested to know what he says.

*EDIT*

<nosebleed!>  Love the Thane (sand)Merman...........why no desert trip for Thane, bw.....he's pretty!  Let the boy have some fun, for pity sakes!

Modifié par coldwetn0se, 13 juin 2012 - 05:25 .

[The Sarendoctrinator]

mnomaha wrote...

It was in his running commentary on twitter while playing through Miss Effect 3.

Ah, so I wouldn't have seen it anyway unless a link was posted. I don't follow twitter.

It would have been interesting to read his thoughts on ME3 though.

[mnomaha]

They were...random. I think random is the word. It was amusing.

But here's where he mentions Thane:

https://twitter.com/...616357809295360

[The Sarendoctrinator]

mnomaha wrote...

They were...random. I think random is the word. It was amusing.

But here's where he mentions Thane:

https://twitter.com/...616357809295360

Thanks for the link.

This was his reaction to Thane's death scene and the prayer, I assume? I thought the dialogue there was really well done too. I've only played it out with a friendship Shepard so far, though I have read some of the romance lines. Was he playing as romanced or friendship Shepard there?

[utaker1988]

My running commentary during ME3 mostly consisted of that one line Joker says when the collectors attack the Normandy, "what the sh*t"...although, every time I saw my Shep acting like roboshep with one emotion and auto dialogue, I kept hearing Harbinger, "This hurts you." Yes it does, yes it does Harby. This game hurts me. And my overall thought, "There is a realm of bullsh*t so far beyond your own that you cannot even imagine it. I am beyond your comprehension. I am Mass Effect 3."

Thane receives a cure, the galaxy is saved but....

Thane: Siha, what are we to do now that nobody needs us to save them?
Hope: I don't know, do what normal people do.
Thane: Stay home, start a family, I'm not sure how to do that.
Kolyat: You can say that again.
Hope: Oh no, not this again. I thought you two were getting past this.
Thane: Son, I am trying now.
Kolyat: I'll make sure to call you when I need a diaper change.
Hope: Stop this right now.
Thane: All I can do is show you through my actions that I don't intend to leave this time.
Kolyat: We'll see. I need to get something to eat before leaving for work.
Hope: I wish you two would not fight.
Kolyat: Hey! Who dug into my Fruity Pebbles and took the prize?
Thane: Huh?
Hope: Kai Leng!
Thane: He's dead.
Hope: Is he? I stabbed him but I just left his body there. Who is to say he was really dead.
Thane: You did not check?
Hope: I was busy.
Thane: This is disquieting.
(Miles away)
Kai Leng: Yes, Xray glasses. Nice, this will go great with that secret decoder ring I got from the Captain Crunch and the invisibility coat I got from the UPC codes from the Fruit Loops. Shepard you are mine now!! I am invincible!

[The Sarendoctrinator]

utaker1988 wrote...

Hope: Kai Leng!
Thane: He's dead.
Hope: Is he? I stabbed him but I just left his body there. Who is to say he was really dead.
Thane: You did not check?
Hope: I was busy.
Thane: This is disquieting.
(Miles away)
Kai Leng: Yes, Xray glasses. Nice, this will go great with that secret decoder ring I got from the Captain Crunch and the invisibility coat I got from the UPC codes from the Fruit Loops. Shepard you are mine now!! I am invincible!

This is great.  I was thinking the same thing when I played that part, "Shepard didn't check to make sure!" Normally I would mind, but since Kai Leng's one of my favorites, it seemed to fit that my Shep didn't really want to kill him.

[JECW]

mnomaha wrote...

They were...random. I think random is the word. It was amusing.

But here's where he mentions Thane:

https://twitter.com/...616357809295360

I must have missed that on twitter.

That scene didn't make me tear up at all. Maybe it's because I know they didn't put much thought or effort into that scene or anything to do with Thane.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

I didn't tear up either, but my reaction's not really one to judge by. Even the most sad character deaths for me, ones that were completely unexpected, get more of a shock/betrayed look/"how could you?!" (edit: forgot the most important part, "I reject your reality and substitute my own.") And I knew Thane's was coming from reading the spoilers. It was still one of the game's powerful emotional moments though, in my opinion.

Modifié par The Sarendoctrinator, 13 juin 2012 - 07:37 .

[JECW]

I was sad when Mordin died, and I did tear up a little when Shepard says goodbye to Garrus. In fact the goodbye to Garrus is the only one I found emotional for some reason. Anderson and Shepard at the end was a bit emotional too. I'm the kind of person who can usually get pretty emotional over a death scene. Especially if it's a character I love, but not this time. I just felt pretty numb about it.I think it has a lot to do with how Thane was handled it this game. That's just me though.

[mnomaha]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

They were...random. I think random is the word. It was amusing.

But here's where he mentions Thane:

https://twitter.com/...616357809295360

Thanks for the link.

This was his reaction to Thane's death scene and the prayer, I assume? I thought the dialogue there was really well done too. I've only played it out with a friendship Shepard so far, though I have read some of the romance lines. Was he playing as romanced or friendship Shepard there?

Oh please. Gaider lower himself enough to play a FemShep? Perish the thought. Besides, he still be boinking Liara or VS. God forbid anyone not choose them...

[mnomaha]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

I didn't tear up either, but my reaction's not really one to judge by. Even the most sad character deaths for me, ones that were completely unexpected, get more of a shock/betrayed look/"how could you?!" (edit: forgot the most important part, "I reject your reality and substitute my own.") And I knew Thane's was coming from reading the spoilers. It was still one of the game's powerful emotional moments though, in my opinion.

I would have loved for a cure option. I would have settled for something...IDK... more.  A noticeable difference between a friend and a lover. Something that emoted more than my lawn clippings. Something that didn't feel me with disappointed raged.

If they would have put half the effort into Thane's scene that they put into the VS/Liara/TD many of us would have been sad and devastated but we could have moved on. But I'm not any of those things. I'm f*cking pissed.

[siha13]

utaker1988 wrote...

Friera wrote...

I miss Thane.

I miss Thane too, so much so that I decided this is the best course of action...


And we can just pick up what really happens to Thane after we deal with the collectors.

haha "go to the sea!!!"

[The Sarendoctrinator]

@JECW: The first time I played through the final conversation with Mordin, I missed the Paragon interrupt and turned off the game so I could re-do it without watching him die twice - that's a good example of my typical reaction to character death. Same with the endgame, I turned it off without choosing one of the three options that would lead to Shepard's death. I just try to avoid watching it when I really care about the character. I did watch the ones that happened in my ME3 playthrough, with the exception of Shepard. Anderson's, while it was a powerful moment, didn't bother me aside from thinking "damned EMS can't get high enough to save him in singleplayer alone."

@mnomaha: Maybe I'll try looking through his twitter for the ME3-related posts. I always like reading about how other people play the game. And now I'm curious if he romanced Liara, Ashley, or both. xD

I agree that Thane should have had more. I think a cure would have been nice too. And some things were just... off, like Thane wanting to stay in a hospital instead of go along with Shepard when he previously said that he didn't want to die in a hospital, and was obviously capable in a fight. Despite that, I still thought certain parts were written well, like the prayer with him and Kolyat.

[mnomaha]

The prayer was well written, but it was almost identical between a friend and a lover. Some can argue that it should be but no, there's a difference in the game and it should have been noticeable. Just lazy writing. I haven't even played my ThaneShep and I don't plan to. So what I saw as a friend's death and that was emotionless enough for me. I was livid when I saw there was little to no difference in anything.

[tehprincessJ]

JECW wrote...

I was sad when Mordin died, and I did tear up a little when Shepard says goodbye to Garrus. In fact the goodbye to Garrus is the only one I found emotional for some reason. Anderson and Shepard at the end was a bit emotional too. I'm the kind of person who can usually get pretty emotional over a death scene. Especially if it's a character I love, but not this time. I just felt pretty numb about it.I think it has a lot to do with how Thane was handled it this game. That's just me though.

This is pretty much where I was at, too.

The game makes me cry. A lot. After multiple playthroughs, I cry, without exception, every time Grunt does that thing that turns out not to be the thing. And I don't cry while Mordin dies, as he's singing, but I cry as the cure blankets Tuchanka and the Krogan look up with hope and smiles. I cry every time Legion dies, and for some reason, the very last nightmare before Cronos station always gets to me, too (I usually hear Thane, Legion, and Mordin). And I cry when Anderson says, "You did good, child."

But I don't cry when Thane dies. I can't. It's just this awful thing.

[Cosmochyck]

@saren - *tacklehugs*  Glad to see you back!!!
The prayer was lovely, but should not have been recycled for a romanced Thane.  We got the short of the stick for sure - the only one that got less was Jacob.  They really butchered them both.  And Thane was so out of character.  His death didn't "inspire" me, or make me emotional.  It just angered me.  And no paramour achievement?  Ugh.  Plus everyone on the ship immediately seems to be hitting on my FemShpe right after he dies.  Can we say inappropriate??  To top it off they even recycled the LoTSB letter to Shep from Thane.  AWESOME.
I will continue to hold out hope - we just have to get all these projects sent off so they know we won't give up!
@mnomaha - you might not like DGs latest twitter response...he said if you were asking about Thane, go ahead and ask but you won't like the answer....

[Mimitochan]

siha13 wrote...

utaker1988 wrote...

Friera wrote...

I miss Thane.

I miss Thane too, so much so that I decided this is the best course of action...


And we can just pick up what really happens to Thane after we deal with the collectors.

haha "go to the sea!!!"

Ahah, not especially a Thane fan, but I do like this GIF

[coldwetn0se]

You know, I am to the point that I think most of them smell rosewater in the toilet bowl, so of course they don't see anything wrong with what was written of Thane. The more I look at the dialogue, the more ridiculous it reads. And it should be noted; this isn't a case of me spending three months stewing in my disgust (though I have done that...), and then OVER-analysing something to death. I do realize that ANYTHING can start to look sloppy to down right gibberish, if over-analyzed. The reaction I had from the dialogue with Thane an my imported Cate Shepard made me balk! It was jarring and out of character for both. When I did finally have the guts (yeah, yeah.....chicken-s**t here...) to look at the dialogue up close, it was even more flabbergasting; almost disorienting to me. Then throw in the non-sensical fight with KL, and the death scene......huh! Really?? My reaction was just as bad on March 7th, as it is now, but I can use a bit more of a critical eye (especially when I went back and started playing ME2 again).

They want death, they want angst, so be it......nothing I can do to change that. Problem is, their devices failed for me. Knowing how much thought and care went into creating Thane, and the fact that he was a bonafide LI choice for Fem!Shep in ME2, made his content in me3 seem that much more contrary, and lacking. And taking away his LI status was absolutely jolting! Uncalled for. So DG or any other writer can have whatever opinion they want; I know what I saw, felt, and can breakdown logically. I am confident in my conviction as much as they are in theirs.

[mnomaha]

Taking this to you guys. I'm not sure how to answer DG. Granted, I'm just now drinking coffee, but if he's going to listen, I want to at least sound intelligent.

[utaker1988]

I don't care what DG thinks either when he has spent the amount of time romancing and breathing everything Thane like we have then I will seriously take his opinion into consideration. Until such time, I will lump his opinion into the "I didn't romance him, I didn't bother with him much in ME2, so what's the problem?" crowd. Those people tend to see this.... He said he was dying and then he dies a heroic death. What they fail to see is what happens to Thane between those two points. Either they recruited him and left in Life Support and never talked to him, never romanced him, talked to him long enough to get his LM out of the way and then never bothered after that. There is a difference between talking to Thane and listening to him.

[Cosmochyck]

Yeah I've been stewing over it all day and I have no idea what to say to DG. I sort of feel that at this point it's an effort in futility because he's not going to put down the ME team, and I'm sure he didn't romance him. You could ask something general like how he felt about continuity? Or if he noticed any obvious changes in character attitudes? Again, he's not going to say yes, so why bother?

And what utaker said "There is a difference between talking to Thane and listening to him."

[JECW]

Did he even do the romance, or spend much time talking to Thane?

[Renmiri1]

I think if you just start with ME3 and meet Thane at the hospital it is ok. That is precisely the problem with the dialog in ME3: We got a dialog from someone you barely knew who was with you on a previous mission.. like someone on the Cafeteria or that cook we get spices for on ME2. To meet them near death but resigned in ME3 and to have them honor you with their final prayer, dying as a hero is cool. For the cook or for the guy who had a brother on Horizon or other "barely there" npc.

But to get that kind of dialog to any other more known npc is an insult. Even Ken and Gabi deserved - and got - more.

To have this kind of cold resigned dialogue with your ME2 LI is pretty devastating. And it makes me angry at the development team. FFS was there no one from the original ME2 team there ? It doesn't sound like there was. ME2 was all but ignored

Modifié par Renmiri1, 13 juin 2012 - 09:32 .

[mnomaha]

But if you don't import a ME2 save, I thought Thane was considered dead and you never meet.