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[utaker1988]

I agree, the Leng we got was not the Leng from the novels. He was such a jerk in the books but a part of me liked him. He was skilled, sneaky, and sleazy in his means to get things and those are the parts that I found interesting in him. Yes, he reminded me of Zevran. What they gave us in ME3 in regards to Leng made me sad, another character ruined at the hands of inept writers. Had Thane not been sick (like, oh we can cure or treat him) and Leng not being such a poorly drawn fool and given the right writer we would have gotten an epic fight.

But like so much in ME3, it was ruined. I am still in awe that one game can fit that much fail in it.

[coldwetn0se]

@utaker wrote......

But like so much in ME3, it was ruined. I am still in awe that one game can fit that much fail in it.

I love that line, U.  "....fit that much fail...."

*EDIT* for 'near' TOP


PDS and Thane in more 'sober' times......

Modifié par coldwetn0se, 18 juin 2012 - 05:42 .

[JECW]

utaker1988 wrote...

But like so much in ME3, it was ruined. I am still in awe that one game can fit that much fail in it.

Don't tell Bioware this. They are still under the delusion that they did a great job, and this is a great game.

[mnomaha]

They are not only delusional about it...the defend this fallacy...with zest and fervor.

And yeah utaker...that line is awesome.

Ima steal it.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

I think the trouble with Kai Leng's characterization is that he's had three different writers in three separate pieces of work - Retribution, Deception, and ME3. Deception, although hilarious, is the worst by far (and since BioWare's announcement, is not considered canon). My favorite has always been the original version of Kai Leng written by Karpyshyn in Retribution. He was a real intimidating assassin then, stealthy and patient enough to not let his emotions get in the way of the mission, totally serious and displayed amazing still in close combat.

I had hoped for a chance to recruit him as well, probably at the cost of the VS.

utaker1988 wrote...

She'd point her gun at both TIM and Anderson tell them that she has no intention of walking up either platform. If Anderson wants Destroy and TIM wants Control they better start running because the first one to their ideal choice is the winner.

That's awesome. I support this method of choosing. Bonus points because Shepard lives.

[coldwetn0se]

Never read any of the books, and I admit I have never really been interested in them. So KL doesn't really mean anything to me......his presence in me3 (the way he was utilized and written) is like an irritant to me. A mosquito of an antagonist, who doesn't deserve the screentime with Thane (or Shepard, or pretty much any other ME squaddie/exsquaddie/crewmember). But that is merely my opinion, so how much is that really worth, eh?

*EDIT*
Because we can always use more Thane......

Modifié par coldwetn0se, 19 juin 2012 - 04:17 .

[JECW]

I haven't read any books either, but I did hear that Kai Leng was more interesting in them. In ME3 I found him to be a complete joke, and pretty easy to kill.

The fight is the one thing we asked for that they listened to, and they managed to ruin that as well.

[mnomaha]

I just had a visual of the Turian ambassador...

"Artistic Integrity" We have dismissed that claim. D'awwww he's so cute with his little air quotes.

[JECW]

We really should have gotten the opportunity to throw his air quotes back in his face.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

JECW wrote...

I haven't read any books either, but I did hear that Kai Leng was more interesting in them. In ME3 I found him to be a complete joke, and pretty easy to kill.

Kai's awesome in Retribution. I thought he was okay in ME3 - cool enough, but I'm probably biased because Retribution made him one of my favorites. His Deception persona is a total joke though. It's the complete opposite of how he really is. And ironically, all of the "cereal killer" jokes that came out of it was the best thing about that book. xD

Edit to add: I wanted an option to air-quote the turian councillor too.

Modifié par The Sarendoctrinator, 19 juin 2012 - 06:18 .

[warlock22]

utaker1988 wrote...

I agree, the Leng we got was not the Leng from the novels. He was such a jerk in the books but a part of me liked him. He was skilled, sneaky, and sleazy in his means to get things and those are the parts that I found interesting in him. Yes, he reminded me of Zevran. What they gave us in ME3 in regards to Leng made me sad, another character ruined at the hands of inept writers. Had Thane not been sick (like, oh we can cure or treat him) and Leng not being such a poorly drawn fool and given the right writer we would have gotten an epic fight.

But like so much in ME3, it was ruined. I am still in awe that one game can fit that much fail in it.

Agreed. It felt like they just put Leng in there just to ****** the player off, which it did atleast for me I couldn't stand him. He was lame and he just pissed me off, and I was hoping Thane would kill him but the little b*tch ran off.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

Kai Leng's still one of my favorite characters. It's too bad he had to be the one who killed Thane, but... I'm so used to characters that I like killing each other off, I normally don't hate them for it. There are exceptions to that, for sure. Just didn't turn out that way for anyone in the Mass Effect series.

[mnomaha]

The thing is and this is my opinion...we shouldn't have to read the books and all that sh*t. They should have been treated like the separate entities that they were supposed to be. I wanted *game* backstory, not book backstory. Which is another reason I get pissed off about Kai Leng and whatsherface from Arrival ( well and taking the fall for f*cking Hackett), if they wanted to make him some big bad assassin, they should have introduced him in ME1. They also should have cured/prolonged Thane's life and given us a decent fight.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

I agree that the books shouldn't be needed to understand anything in-game, and this is coming from someone who has read them. I thought Kai Leng should have had more time in ME3, something that let Shepard get to know him better as a rival the way Saren was in ME1 with his great introduction.

I don't know who was in Arrival, didn't play it or watch the whole thing on youtube. But Kahlee Sanders from the books was also in ME3, and I think her appearance was handled well.

[JECW]

I thought Kai Leng would have been much more interesting then what he was. He's suppose to be a well trained assassin. Not as well trained as Thane though. I was just expecting more, and the way they had him running away like he did. He just seemed to be thrown in the game.

I also don't want to have to read a book to find out about a character. I remember hearing about him before the game came out and I had no clue who he was until I asked. It's the same thing with Feron. If you didn't read the comic book you would have had no idea who he was. I also didn't know that Aria had a daughter that Kai Leng killed because I didn't read the book. There are probably other things that I don't know because I haven't read any of the books.

Modifié par JECW, 19 juin 2012 - 08:05 .

[warlock22]

mnomaha wrote...

The thing is and this is my opinion...we shouldn't have to read the books and all that sh*t. They should have been treated like the separate entities that they were supposed to be. I wanted *game* backstory, not book backstory. Which is another reason I get pissed off about Kai Leng and whatsherface from Arrival ( well and taking the fall for f*cking Hackett), if they wanted to make him some big bad assassin, they should have introduced him in ME1. They also should have cured/prolonged Thane's life and given us a decent fight.

This^^

[warlock22]

JECW wrote...

I thought Kai Leng would have been much more interesting then what he was. He's suppose to be a well trained assassin. Not as well trained as Thane though. I was just expecting more, and the way they had him running away like he did. He just seemed to be thrown in the game.

I also don't want to have to read a book to find out about a character. I remember hearing about him before the game came out and I had no clue who he was until I asked. It's the same thing with Feron. If you didn't read the comic book you would have had no idea who he was. I also didn't know that Aria had a daughter that Kai Leng killed because I didn't read the book. There are probably other things that I don't know because I haven't read any of the books.

True, but Feron was someone who was helping Liara and didnt have that big of a role. They made Leng out to be this super assassin but gave no back story to him. Just a ninja knockoff, atleast Feron was cool and had a senice of humor.

[mnomaha]

Well, and he was a Drell. Apparently, there were three in the entire bioverse.

I just get tired of bioware trying to force feed us all their extra crap. If I wanted these things...they would be in my possession. It's right up there with Kaidan humping my leg after Thane was murdered.

[Vlk3]

I just don't get it why people think that Kai Leng is better asassin than Thane. Don't they know, that Thane was trained since childhood, is stronger, faster and more skilled? Maybe there was something in the books that I just don't know about Kai Leng, but still it seems unlikely that he would win if Thane wasn't ill. Hell, I think Thane should win despite his illness. I was intrigued by Kai Leng when I first heard of him, but I never believed someone could be better than Thane.

Also it seems that bioware is focusing their efforts on DLC related to characters appearing in the books, so chances that we will finally get cure DLC are even lower.

[Hisilome]

JECW wrote...

utaker1988 wrote...

But like so much in ME3, it was ruined. I am still in awe that one game can fit that much fail in it.

Don't tell Bioware this. They are still under the delusion that they did a great job, and this is a great game.

Indeed and not just a great game; an artistic game that prides itself on its 'artistic integrity'; funny how the majority of fans have failed to see this, what IS wrong with us?

Oh, right...

We all played ME3-and the art made a few furtive appearances, but was unfortunately overwhelmed by the lack thereof!!

PS: @Vlk3: Seconded, Thane could have, based on his  history, taken Kai Leng down even if he was literally, visibly dying at t he time!

Modifié par Hisilome, 19 juin 2012 - 12:56 .

[tehprincessJ]

Somebody just pointed me at this vid , and I'm laughing at it way more than I probably should. It's totally the simple things that get to me, really.


I feel that Feron is actually an example of a media tie-in done right. People who hadn't read Liara's comic would hear her speak of him and just be like, "okay. So there's this guy." But they wouldn't feel out of the loop by any means. Still, I do recall being really happy about his inclusion, since the comic left us hanging as to Feron's fate (I also, just really ship Liara/Feron, and having him in-game, gave me a "look at me, my friend, and both of our Drell boyfriends)!" Aria's comic ends with things really up in the air as well, and it's almost like a promise they make for upcoming DLC (also, looking over my first impressions when I'd just finished ME3, I found Aria's role in the game all wrong - she shouldn't be squatting on the Citadel when the war to end all is going on).

Kahlee was an okay addition, I suppose (although for some reason, the choice they made for her voice actress bothered me - after reading so much about her, it was jarring to hear Nassana Dantius's voice came out of her).

Kai Leng? As I've said, I loved him in the books, but I don't think what's in ME3 is the same man. And that's a shame, really. I'm not sure if I'd have any good feelings for him at all if I hadn't read the novels before hand. You just... you get the feeling that it's all wrong, somehow. Kai Leng was Drew Karpyshyn's character. And you're right, seeing tiny in-game references to stuff from the books (like the N7 mission on Gei Hinnom in ME2) is fine, but making a major antagonist out of one? And especially now that Karpyshyn isn't even writing the ME games anymore (or even the books, for that matter)? It just... yeah, it's wrong.

[Terrorize69]

So Thane... can't always control when he can "recall memories", so would that not be awkward at times? Thane talking to his son, his son brings up Femshep in the convo.. Thane slips into a memory, a graphic memory...

o__o No wonder everyone knows Thane and Femshep get up to lol.

[Vlk3]

I think that he can, but deep inside he wanted to share some memories with Shepard ;>

It would be... problematic if an asassin would suddenly start slipping into memory during tracking his target or approaching his victim. :>

[tehprincessJ]

Yeah, my headcanon says he's done some training for that, so he's developed a technique to keep it from happening when it's more than a little inconvienient.

[Terrorize69]

Well when he's on a job.. I doubt he talks a great deal before he kills them, after yes. But not before. And it seems to be something that occurs from a in depth conversations, pretty sure Thane admits in ME2 to sometimes being unable to control it, especially if its a vivid memory.

So if Kolyat asks Thane, "Do you love her?", Being a deep personal matter, chances are higher of a uncontrolled memory outburst..

Kolyat will be scarred for life.