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[abnocte]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

@abnocte

Hilarious. And because torturing Thane is fun:



*runs away*

He deserves it!
He is torturing us with his leathery suit and that zipper after all!!

@wildannie
I don't think Thane would ever say that, but the scenario was too fun to pass XD

@candidate88766
I assure you that nobody here wants a "miracle cure", that would be lame and lazy. And as per LotSB a transplant that would extend his life is viable.

Also only the writers really know why they gave Thane his illness and if they really planned to kill him.

[wildannie]

candidate88766 wrote...

Thane dying from his disease would add an element of tragedy to the story for his romance fans, making the game all the more memorable. A bittersweet ending can be so much better than Thane being cured miraculously. I think it would be a disservice to his character if he is cured through some contrived means, and seeing him die is far more true to the story they started to tell with him in ME2. I don't know whether it'd be more emotional for him to die in a blaze of glory or to die the Normandy's med-bay, but I don't think Bioware should shy away from something like that.

Thats my opinion anyway.

I can't deny it would add an element of tragedy, but that being forced on me in a game is certainly not what I'm looking for.

The means to cure/treat Thane don't have to be contrived!  This is mass effect, Thane's letting himself die, viable treatment is available.  He just needs to put himself up for it.

I do find in annoying that some seem to see Thane's death as the crowning moment of glory of his story.  

IMO making Thane's early death inevitable would be a real downer on the game. 

[Sister Helen]

1) When does he say the line about bulbous women? ... I conversation-mine (try to get all options in dialogue) and I never got this line. Is it one of the things he says in combat?!

2) If Thane does die, can my femShep have his greybox? 8D

[kaimanaMM]

The 'bulbous women' line is when you come across Bitoic God volus.  Problem is, the line always seems to get overwritten by the other squadmate.  I've only heard it when it's just Thane and Shepard there.

Wouldn't it be interesting if Thane's son pops up to show disapproval of this?

Disapproval of what?  You'll have to explain.  Kolyat would disapprove of his father seeking treatment to prolong his life? 

And I'm with WildAnnie.

The means to cure/treat Thane don't have to be contrived!  This is mass effect, Thane's letting himself die, viable treatment is available.  He just needs to put himself up for it.

I do find in annoying that some seem to see Thane's death as the crowning moment of glory of his story.

QFT.

[Fiery Phoenix]

What are everyone's thoughts after reading Patrick Weekes' thread from last night? Aside from the whole CF thing (a noble cause, but off-topic for this thread), it sounded like Thane won't be "cured" after all. Then again I might have been reading a little too much into it.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Exactly, Mash--although the comparison still made me rethink some things. Ultimately, it remains to be seen what happens in regards to Thane's condition. I was very intrigued to know Kepral's was based on CF (albeit not totally). I read the formal description on Wikipedia and it is indeed remarkably similar. Makes you wonder just how complex this whole issue really is. I find myself intrigued nonetheless. Thane has almost become an inspiration in his own way, and I do love that.

[wildannie]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

What are everyone's thoughts after reading Patrick Weekes' thread from last night? Aside from the whole CF thing (a noble cause, but off-topic for this thread), it sounded like Thane won't be "cured" after all. Then again I might have been reading a little too much into it.

I don't think he was giving anything away with that.    But given that a lung transplant is a viable treatment for CF maybe this is what we'll see with Thane rather than a cure, leaving him with some hope of a cure in the future.

Making Thane's death inevitable though would be sending out a bit of a negative message.  The prognosis for CF has improved so much in the last 30 years I think some positivity wouldn't go amiss.

Also people play games for fun and escapism, and I know that there's alot of violence and death in them already, but forcing this kind of outcome of a well loved character in a game would lessen the enjoyment of many,
whereas if his death is dependent upon certain criteria then those who believe death to be so glorious AND those who favour a treatment/cure  could enjoy the game to the max.

[wildannie]

Gnas wrote...

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I am really starting to wonder if the Bioware writers are even consulting with anyone with any kind of medical background. CF? Really? REALLY!?

Basically CF is a genetic disorder causing mucus built up in the lungs and esophagus. Now, in everything I have read about Kepral's there is nothing about a genetic disorder, just that their bodies cannot handle humid climates. And from the doctors report it appears there are tumors, which is not found in CF!

Okay, that just irritates me. If we are dealing with a storyline that deals with advanced technology, and humans can genetically engineer offspring, (i.e. Miranda) then something ike CF would have a viable treatment, not just in humans but in other species.

I call it bunk. Bioware needs to consult with people who have, even a basic, medical (i.e. Anatomy, physiology) background before making up story lines that make no sense.

[/rant]

Patrick said in his post that he was no expert, he's got a friend with CF.

despite the huge differences, when I read the LoTSB med report I instantly thought of CF as a similar condition, at least in effect.  That physical exercise was an aid to treatment  was one of the similarities that I noted.

I think Patrick was just trying to raise awareness and hopefully generate some funds for CF charities, which is a good thing.

[wildannie]

Gnas wrote...

[rant]
And how is a lung transplant even a viable option!? Bah!
[/rant]

for who? thane? Why not? it's a game.

CF sufferers, those who are lucky enough, get lung transplants. It's not a cure but it does prolong their life.  I know of a CF sufferer (Friend of my BF) who is in need of a transplant now, and is just waiting to see if he's lucky enough to get one.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Gnas wrote...

[rant]
I am really starting to wonder if the Bioware writers are even consulting with anyone with any kind of medical background. CF? Really? REALLY!?

Basically CF is a genetic disorder causing mucus built up in the lungs and esophagus. Now, in everything I have read about Kepral's there is nothing about a genetic disorder, just that their bodies cannot handle humid climates. And from the doctors report it appears there are tumors, which is not found in CF!

Okay, that just irritates me. If we are dealing with a storyline that deals with advanced technology, and humans can genetically engineer offspring, (i.e. Miranda) then something ike CF would have a viable treatment, not just in humans but in other species.

I call it bunk. Bioware needs to consult with people who have, even a basic, medical (i.e. Anatomy, physiology) background before making up story lines that make no sense. [/rant]

While you have a point, the fundamental difference is that CF is a genetically inherited disease as opposed to Kepral's nature of being an environment-based disease. So it's kind of hard to go on about it when a central property isn't shared between the two diseases.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I think it does work if we narrow down the scope of the comparison. Think of them as only lung-specific conditions, both of which can be viably treated through transplanting means. Because as you said, if we look more thoroughly, things tend to feel nonsensically difficult.

Editado por Fiery Phoenix, 16 junio 2011 - 02:54 .

[wildannie]

Gnas wrote...

@Fiery epidemilogically they are not similar. CF is genetic, Kepral's appears to be immuniologically based. The so, why would a lung transplant work? It won't. Immunotherapy would be the best options.

Basing a storyline in a medical condition, differing species aside, there are a few basic rules. One is how the disease affects a body. Just because CF and Kepral's have the commonality of causing problems with breathing doesn't mean they are in any way related from an epidemiological perspective.

That's like comparing chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) to a heart attack, yes, they both have shortness of breath as a symptom but the underlying cause is radically different.

both are progressive conditions, I'm not a doctor but I don't see why a lung transplant could not be a treatment for Keprals.  
I don't think we can expect the writers to be wholly medically correct, not least because ME is set in the future, where all kinds of impossible is possible... lazarus anyone?

[Raiil]

The problem isn't actually his immune system. His lungs are- to put it simply- degrading. In that aspect, Kepral's is similiar to cancer, especially since it can spread to surrounding organs. The closest issue touching his immune system is that Kepral's is resistant to most antibiotics.

Tuberculosis might be another disease IRL that's closer, except Kepral's isn't an airbourne disease.

A lung transplant doesn't cure Keprals. It will slow the inevitable, but unless the lungs have some sort of resistance to Kepral's in the first place, all it does is buy more time, in increasingly limited doses. Hence why I consider it to be the fair middle ground; it allows Thane to be mobile in ME3 so he's not reduced to a puddle of pain and angst, but leaving the future ambiguous so people can mentally decide about a cure or not.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Gnas wrote...

@Fiery narrow down the scope of the comparison? Then why not compare Chronic Bronchitis to Keprals, why CF? The person appears to be hinting at something with out coming out and saying this is what is going on with Keprals but his metaphor fails.

And still, it doesn't make sense, even if you narrow down the comparison. Just by looking at CF how could you even make a comparison with what we know of Keprals? Seriously, it's apples and oranges. Yes, it's fruit but very different fruit.

But they're still very similar. Both share lung malfunctioning and both share metastatic progression. Either way, I wouldn't look so deeply into it. I find it interesting nonetheless.

Editado por Fiery Phoenix, 16 junio 2011 - 03:04 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Mash Mashington wrote...

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Mr. Weekes made this post to draw attention to a real life problem one of his friends is facing. This real life problem has some similarities to what one of Mass Effect's characters is dealing with. Since Mr. Weekes is one of the major writers for the game i don't see what other connections have to be there. It's not as is he's trying to play sharades with the fanbase, and i certainly don't see him using his friend's health problems to hint on Thane's future destiny

QFT

[Fiery Phoenix]

Gnas wrote...

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@Fiery they are only similar in that they affect the ability to breath. The underlying causes to either disease if different. Not only from a fictional VS reality based perspective but also in the information provided for both. So, I disagree with you. I do not find it interesting, rather, I find it just information.

Or maybe it's incomplete information. One assumption you seem to be making is that we know everything about Kepral's at this point. I do not believe this to be a safe assumption just yet. Not when the issue has the potential to be further explored in ME3.