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[RShara]

Seriously, should someone create a new thread that has READ POST 1 in the title, and bulletpoint our specific issues??

[mnomaha]

Well my lovely Shara...it was your idea.

[warlock22]

My friend showed me this, its funny but at the same time it makes me mad because it true...

[firel]

RShara wrote...

Seriously, should someone create a new thread that has READ POST 1 in the title, and bulletpoint our specific issues??

That might help a bit. However some people might not bother to read it. It's worth a try I think.

[mythlover20]

Well, after all the work we've put into the fanbook, I'm gonna finish the essay whether it kills me or not.

I'm having problems with these two sections, especially the second, so constructive critical feedback would be appreciated. The first seems unfinished, but I can't think of what else to put in. The second section is unfinished, I'm just not sure it's the right way to go here, and need feedback before I go any further.

Also, thanks to the EC, I'm gonna have to completely rewrite the Thane's Treatment Post Death Section. That will take a while.

Also, again, do you know how hard it is to compare Thane's romance with Kaidan's without having it devolve into Kaidan-bashing? Really, it's not easy!

Oh, and LT? May I please use you're "What Thane Taught Me" pic as a reference figure for the Player Reactions section?

Anyway, I'm posting these section here, so people will actually read them. No one goes into the group threads anymore. Btw, go look in the group threads there, please....

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Illusions of a Treatment or Cure

Mass Effect 3 continued to include quests and comments that players could easily conclude would lead to a possible treatment or cure for Thane. After the various treatment and cure possibilities included in Mass Effect 2 and were hinted at during the interim (Section…: Allusions and Avenues to a Treatment or Cure), it seemed safe for players to assume that some option to save Thane would exist. These additional quests allowed players to continue to believe that.

The first quest was the "Alien Medi-Gel" side quest. This quest started in Huerta Memorial Hospital, when Shepard overhears a doctor speaking over a comm link, requesting increased supplies of medi-gel formulated for non-human use.

This is the line which allows players to interpret that this quest relates to Thane's treatment. As stated above (Section…: Allusions and Avenues to a Treatment of Cure) Thane was the only character players had been in
contact with who had a long-standing illness. For a player with knowledge of the Eupulmos Device this is almost a guarantee, as the device delivered a medi-gel-like substance directly to the lungs.

The other comment that allowed players a faint glimmer of hope occurred just prior to Thane's death. A surgeon stops Shepard from entering Thane's room. He tells Shepard and the player that Thane lost a lot of blood – blood his body was unable to replace. So Shepard offers to get more, to do whatever it took to ensure that Thane lived.

All hopes raised are immediately lost. The Alien Medi-Gel quest results in a formula fit only for the Hanar, not their desert-born client race. The doctor tells Shepard that more blood was not available, and that she should join Kolyat in saying their goodbyes. Any and all allusions were illusions. Thane, and by extension the drell species, would always die, no matter what the player did.

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Thane's Personal and Professional History in Mass Effect 3

Thane's history in Mass Effect 3 is largely left unexplored. There is next to no exposition regarding any of the characters actions during the interim between Mass Effects 2 and 3. There is none for Thane at all. It is left up to the player to guess what might have happened.

In the sole context of the games, like all of the Mass Effect 2 squad, the player is left to assume that Thane willing left the Normandy and Shepard after the events of the Arrival Downloadable Content. No reference is made to suggest that conditions could have been otherwise. There is no mention of any consequences the squad members could have faced as a result of their connection with Cerberus. It can only be assumed that they left Shepard's company before any law enforcement officials caught her, or before she willingly returned to Earth.

The player who chose to romance Thane is also left to wonder why Thane is on the Citadel. Other characters, such as Garrus Vakarian, Samara, and Jacob Tailor, have their reasons for their current situation explained.
That is, Garrus was preparing the Turians for the upcoming Reaper invasions, Samara was trying to find and protect her children, and Jacob was acting as security for a group of rogue Cerberus scientists, and
the woman who was carrying his child. As for Thane, players were left to assume he was on the Citadel to spend time with his son.

That he was there to be with his son was only explained to a non-romanced Shepard, though it would be a Shepard in a relationship with Thane who would have been most interested.

The state of Thane's relationship with his son is also left unspoken to a romanced Shepard. When their relationship was last spoken of in Mass Effect 2 Thane and Kolyat had just made the first tentative steps towards rebuilding their relationship. Yet there is no avenue to further explore this aspect of Thane's life.  ..........[to be continued]........

*****

Apologies for the walls of text, but I REALLY need feedback on those.

I'm going to bed now before the hallucinations kick in [purple flying stingray.... or, it's tail has <ridges>!] so I'll check this in the morning. PLEASE READ IT! I'm not doing this for my health, you know. I'm doing it for all of us. I know we're all tired, but help is much appreciated. Nothing will happen if we sit on our arses doing **** all.

EDIT: MAJOR formal fail. Oh, boy. HUGE format fail.

Modifié par mythlover20, 28 juin 2012 - 11:13 .

[warlock22]

mythlover20 wrote...

Well, after all the work we've put into the fanbook, I'm gonna finish the essay whether it kills me or not.

I'm having problems with these two sections, especially the second, so constructive critical feedback would be appreciated. The first seems unfinished, but I can't think of what else to put in. The second section is unfinished, I'm just not sure it's the right way to go here, and need feedback before I go any further.

Also, thanks to the EC, I'm gonna have to completely rewrite the Thane's Treatment Post Death Section. That will take a while.

Also, again, do you know how hard it is to compare Thane's romance with Kaidan's without having it devolve into Kaidan-bashing? Really, it's not easy!

Oh, and LT? May I please use you're "What Thane Taught Me" pic as a reference figure for the Player Reactions section?

Anyway, I'm posting these section here, so people will actually read them. No one goes into the group threads anymore. Btw, go look in the group threads there, please....

******

Illusions of a Treatment or Cure

Mass Effect 3 continued to include quests and comments that players could easily conclude would lead to a possible treatment or cure for Thane. After the various treatment and cure possibilities included in Mass Effect 2 and were hinted at during the interim (Section…: Allusions and Avenues to a Treatment or Cure), it seemed safe for players to assume that some option to save Thane would exist. These additional quests allowed players to continue to believe that.

The first quest was the "Alien Medi-Gel" side quest. This quest started in Huerta Memorial Hospital, when Shepard overhears a doctor speaking over a comm link, requesting increased supplies of medi-gel formulated for non-human use.

This is the line which allows players to interpret that this quest relates to Thane's treatment. As stated above (Section…: Allusions and Avenues to a Treatment of Cure) Thane was the only character players had been in
contact with who had a long-standing illness. For a player with knowledge of the Eupulmos Device this is almost a guarantee, as the device delivered a medi-gel-like substance directly to the lungs.

The other comment that allowed players a faint glimmer of hope occurred just prior to Thane's death. A surgeon stops Shepard from entering Thane's room. He tells Shepard and the player that Thane lost a lot of blood – blood his body was unable to replace. So Shepard offers to get more, to do whatever it took to ensure that Thane lived.

All hopes raised are immediately lost. The Alien Medi-Gel quest results in a formula fit only for the Hanar, not their desert-born client race. The doctor tells Shepard that more blood was not available, and that she should join Kolyat in saying their goodbyes. Any and all allusions were illusions. Thane, and by extension the drell species, would always die, no matter what the player did.

*************
Thane's Personal and Professional History in Mass Effect 3

Thane's history in Mass Effect 3 is largely left unexplored. There is next to no exposition regarding any of the characters actions during the interim between Mass Effects 2 and 3. There is none for Thane at all. It is left up to the player to guess what might have happened.

In the sole context of the games, like all of the Mass Effect 2 squad, the player is left to assume that Thane willing left the Normandy and Shepard after the events of the Arrival Downloadable Content. No reference is made to suggest that conditions could have been otherwise. There is no mention of any consequences the squad members could have faced as a result of their connection with Cerberus. It can only be assumed that they left Shepard's company before any law enforcement officials caught her, or before she willingly returned to Earth.

The player who chose to romance Thane is also left to wonder why Thane is on the Citadel. Other characters, such as Garrus Vakarian, Samara, and Jacob Tailor, have their reasons for their current situation explained.
That is, Garrus was preparing the Turians for the upcoming Reaper invasions, Samara was trying to find and protect her children, and Jacob was acting as security for a group of rogue Cerberus scientists, and
the woman who was carrying his child. As for Thane, players were left to assume he was on the Citadel to spend time with his son.

That he was there to be with his son was only explained to a non-romanced Shepard, though it would be a Shepard in a relationship with Thane who would have been most interested.

The state of Thane's relationship with his son is also left unspoken to a romanced Shepard. When their relationship was last spoken of in Mass Effect 2 Thane and Kolyat had just made the first tentative steps towards rebuilding their relationship. Yet there is no avenue to further explore this aspect of Thane's life.  ..........[to be continued]........

*****

Apologies for the walls of text, but I REALLY need feedback on those.

I'm going to bed now before the hallucinations kick in [purple flying stingray.... or, it's tail has <ridges>!] so I'll check this in the morning. PLEASE READ IT! I'm not doing this for my health, you know. I'm doing it for all of us. I know we're all tired, but help is much appreciated. Nothing will happen if we sit on our arses doing **** all.

EDIT: MAJOR formal fail. Oh, boy. HUGE format fail.

Very well done! I also found it strange that the crew just left, I was hoping to talk to them at the biginning of the game, to see what they were going to do and see what their reaction was about what I did in Arrival. The squadmates from ME2 dont really even talk to you about what happend in Arrival when you see them again, thought that was werid but I guess they knew you had to do it. Which that imo is beleievable, I just wanted to hear their thought's on it. 

Modifié par warlock22, 28 juin 2012 - 12:06 .

[Moira-chan]

Squeegee83 wrote...

Bwhaha, talk about lighting a fire up people's a*ses in the Thane DLC thread. Moria, firel.. and myself. We can take care of business. Haha. Stay tune. At least I am finding this amusing. Please sweet lord, let me find someone who can actually tell me off than crawling up my butt about Legion's death.

No no, I take that back. Let me find someone who will quote me on the much more seriousness posts I made besides the last one I spent two seconds on. Oh if there is a God, bring me such a person who can type more than a couple sentences. I can't believe these are the people BW are taking seriously over us. Hah... the joke is on them.

your fingers are too fast, that happend quite often the last time, that you wrote moria instead of moira, but i guess, it's me, who you mean xD
yeah...we gonna give them something to think about, it's a pit, but we got practise in it. i really, really feel like a parrot somehow...are a cd with a crack...i'm always repeating the same arguments, but if it helps, i'm willing to do it

[firel]

mythlover20 wrote...

Well, after all the work we've put into the fanbook, I'm gonna finish the essay whether it kills me or not.

I'm having problems with these two sections, especially the second, so constructive critical feedback would be appreciated. The first seems unfinished, but I can't think of what else to put in. The second section is unfinished, I'm just not sure it's the right way to go here, and need feedback before I go any further.

Also, thanks to the EC, I'm gonna have to completely rewrite the Thane's Treatment Post Death Section. That will take a while.

Also, again, do you know how hard it is to compare Thane's romance with Kaidan's without having it devolve into Kaidan-bashing? Really, it's not easy!

Oh, and LT? May I please use you're "What Thane Taught Me" pic as a reference figure for the Player Reactions section?

Anyway, I'm posting these section here, so people will actually read them. No one goes into the group threads anymore. Btw, go look in the group threads there, please....

******

Illusions of a Treatment or Cure

Mass Effect 3 continued to include quests and comments that players could easily conclude would lead to a possible treatment or cure for Thane. After the various treatment and cure possibilities included in Mass Effect 2 and were hinted at during the interim (Section…: Allusions and Avenues to a Treatment or Cure), it seemed safe for players to assume that some option to save Thane would exist. These additional quests allowed players to continue to believe that.

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This sounds great to me! English was always my worst subject and I'm terrible at essays, so this seems really amazing. I didn't catch any typos or mistakes. Keep up the good work. 8D

Squeegee83 wrote...

Bwhaha, talk about lighting a fire up
people's a*ses in the Thane DLC thread. Moria, firel.. and myself. We
can take care of business. Haha. Stay tune. At least I am finding this
amusing. Please sweet lord, let me find someone who can actually tell me
off than crawling up my butt about Legion's death.

No no, I
take that back. Let me find someone who will quote me on the much more
seriousness posts I made besides the last one I spent two seconds on. Oh
if there is a God, bring me such a person who can type more than a
couple sentences. I can't believe these are the people BW are taking
seriously over us. Hah... the joke is on them.

oh man i know right, lol. I'm ready for anything they say, because all of their arguments are just the same ones over and over again. and most of them never come back after you point out their bulls*** the first time.

I find it hilarious that people act like THEY'RE the experts on Thane, even though it's obvious that they haven't tried romancing him or even looked up the videos on youtube. man, can't they see the Thane fanbase is going to know him a lot better than they do? They're doomed in that respect. it's just a matter of patience dealing with the hoards of dumb@sses.

[firel]

Mass disasterby ~Katakanasta


i don't care Thane, you have to wears yours. oh and my Shep picked through all of them and made sure the one with the run on the crotch was the only one left.

[Overdrive1493]

Thane was a good man. I'll miss him. His death was the most emotional scene I've seen in a long time.

[wildannie]

@firel nice picture

not really relevant but it made me smirk, and it really shouldn't ...www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-06-21-stock-ticker-why-eas-market-valuation-has-crashed

Modifié par wildannie, 28 juin 2012 - 02:58 .

[RShara]

mnomaha wrote...

Well my lovely Shara...it was your idea.

I would but I don't have time to type up a really good post, and keep track of the thread.  Work is mean

[Renmiri1]

wildannie wrote...

@firel nice picture

not really relevant but it made me smirk, and it really shouldn't ...www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-06-21-stock-ticker-why-eas-market-valuation-has-crashed

Tehehe... Casey and others are feeling the pressure in their pockets. 

[Renmiri1]

Shows EA that when you cannibalize projects and take your best writer from your best game you end up with a whole lot of poo...

[coldwetn0se]

mythlover20 wrote...

******

Illusions of a Treatment or Cure

Mass Effect 3 continued to include quests and comments that players could easily conclude would lead to a possible treatment or cure for Thane. After the various treatment and cure possibilities included in Mass Effect 2 and were hinted at during the interim (Section…: Allusions and Avenues to a Treatment or Cure), it seemed safe for players to assume that some option to save Thane would exist. These additional quests allowed players to continue to believe that.

The first quest was the "Alien Medi-Gel" side quest. This quest started in Huerta Memorial Hospital, when Shepard overhears a doctor speaking over a comm link, requesting increased supplies of medi-gel formulated for non-human use.

This is the line which allows players to interpret that this quest relates to Thane's treatment. As stated above (Section…: Allusions and Avenues to a Treatment of Cure) Thane was the only character players had been in
contact with who had a long-standing illness. For a player with knowledge of the Eupulmos Device this is almost a guarantee, as the device delivered a medi-gel-like substance directly to the lungs.

The other comment that allowed players a faint glimmer of hope occurred just prior to Thane's death. A surgeon stops Shepard from entering Thane's room. He tells Shepard and the player that Thane lost a lot of blood – blood his body was unable to replace. So Shepard offers to get more, to do whatever it took to ensure that Thane lived.

All hopes raised are immediately lost. The Alien Medi-Gel quest results in a formula fit only for the Hanar, not their desert-born client race. The doctor tells Shepard that more blood was not available, and that she should join Kolyat in saying their goodbyes. Any and all allusions were illusions. Thane, and by extension the drell species, would always die, no matter what the player did.

This sounds great.  Quick question; have you stressed the connection to a cure or life extending treatment for Thane, would mean a cure or life extention for the Drell race, in other parts of your essay(s)?  This connection has always bugged me, that the BW team dropped so easily.  Since he IS our representative in the game for the Drell race, and he has Kepral's, the leading cause of death for Drell's (an already languishing race due to apocolyptic circumstances on their homeworld), having helped Thane with Kepral's would have meant just as much to his entire race, as curing the genophage or adapting the Quarians did, IMO.  Anyway, just curious.......

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Thane's Personal and Professional History in Mass Effect 3

Thane's history in Mass Effect 3 is largely left unexplored. There is next to no exposition regarding any of the characters actions during the interim between Mass Effects 2 and 3. There is none for Thane at all. It is left up to the player to guess what might have happened.

In the sole context of the games, like all of the Mass Effect 2 squad, the player is left to assume that Thane willing(ly) left the Normandy and Shepard after the events of the Arrival Downloadable Content. No reference is made to suggest that conditions could have been otherwise. There is no mention of any consequences the squad members could have faced as a result of their connection with Cerberus. It can only be assumed that they left Shepard's company before any law enforcement officials caught her, or before she willingly returned to Earth.

The player who chose to romance Thane is also left to wonder why Thane is on the Citadel. Other characters, such as Garrus Vakarian, Samara, and Jacob (Taylor), have their reasons for their current situation explained.
That is, Garrus was preparing the Turians for the upcoming Reaper invasions, Samara was trying to find and protect her children, and Jacob was acting as security for a group of rogue Cerberus scientists, and
the woman who was carrying his child. As for Thane, players were left to assume he was on the Citadel to spend time with his son.

That he was there to be with his son was only explained to a non-romanced Shepard, though it would be a Shepard in a relationship with Thane who would have been most interested.

The state of Thane's relationship with his son is also left unspoken to a romanced Shepard. When their relationship was last spoken of in Mass Effect 2 Thane and Kolyat had just made the first tentative steps towards rebuilding their relationship. Yet there is no avenue to further explore this aspect of Thane's life.  ..........[to be continued]........

*****

(I put parentheses around a few spelling errors)
I like this!  His son being on the Citadel, is another reason I hate the KL/Coup fight with Thane.  It's not only that he really doesn't need to be the one fighting this fight (except that it's really kool to see to assassins go toe to toe, right??), but also I keep thinking, where's your kid Thane?  Did you go put him in a safe place first while the Coup was happening, or go and check on him at the very least??  Maybe he did do all this before coming to the coucilor's aid, but ugh....making sure your kin is safe under these circumstances just seems more important.  It's another one of those things that makes the whole Thane/KL fight so damn gimmicky and sort of 'unbelievable'....immersion breaking.  Bah......

[Renmiri1]

A dear friend died of cancer 2 years ago. He was given 6 months to live, lived 8 moinths. When you talked to him, he was ok with dying quite like Thane. But unlike Thane, he didn't want to die or actually sought death. He wanted to be here for his wife and daughter. Every extra day he was alive was his - and god's - gift to his wife and daughter he told me, and he would take any pain and any discomfort he needed to endure, to give them a little more time. He told me that in private. To them he never mentioned any pain.

Thane had a son that had been neglected most of his life. He was needed by Koliat and he knew it. The Thane we met on ME2 would have never left Koliat to protect a politician.  And he would never complain to his Siha about not being able to breathe. He would try to spare her the pain of his illness and suffering.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 28 juin 2012 - 05:50 .

[Moira-chan]

guys...i need help over there in the thane dlc thread...people are overrunning me... >.<

[RShara]

lol one of my coworkers is claiming that ME really was about organics vs synthetics *facepalm*

[Moira-chan]

made a big post in the thread and sum up all my impressions i got so far from this thread...and i become harsh for myself (utaker would laugh about it xD) but i guess i covered all our points

[Roarkshop]

Okay. This thread is incredibly hard to follow because there are something like 10 pages since my last post YESTERDAY so I'm sorry if I'm missing information. For what it's worth, here is my two cents on the issue:

While I am first and foremost a Garrus lover, I do love Thane. Ask Mythlover if you need proof, she knows. I try to do him justice in my fan fiction because he is such a fantastic character and I want to make him awesome.

As for the romance in Mass Effect 3 with Thane, yes. It was, to say the least, underwhelming. But if you look at it, so was the romances with anyone who doesn't join your crew. Jack and Miranda... and I think we can all agree that the few lovers of Jacob Taylor out there got ROYALLY screwed. I understand it, with them not being on the ship, it was hard to give them a proper romance scene. But was "make out in front of a window at a hospital" the right answer? No. No no no.

So yes, I generally agree that we got shafted on a romance scene with Thane, but I understand why which is why I wasn't so outraged by it.

As for Thane dying I don't feel like that was trivialized at all. I feel Thane had a GOOD death and a GREAT death scene. I mean curing Kepral's would have seemed.. I don't know.... to underhanded and cheap to me. And I certainly didn't want him to die a boring stupid death slowly withering away in a hospital. He died defending us, doing what was right and he was a fricking bad ass right up until the end. I feel like Thane dying is something that really drives home what is at stake for Thane-mancers and makes you determined to finish the task at hand. At least that's how it was for me.

Now it's easy for me to say this, but if Garrus would have died I would have been livid so I can see how my hypocrisy is showing. But Garrus didn't have a terminal illness, I think that we all knew he was going to die. And he got a good death, and we get to kill Kai Lang in his name. I think that's good enough.

This concludes my cents on the sexy assassin in ME3

[Vlk3]

Thane wasn't appealing for our Sheps because he was ill, we liked him because of his character.

Trust me, there are ways to cure him/extend his life in epic and touching way. No one would be dissatisfied except a few heartless people...

As for the DLC thread:
Damn it, I thought people would understand. Thane was not his illness, how many times do we have to repeat? What's wrong in letting him live till the ending, so that we can head canon that he was cured ? ;/


We won't get a cure and you know what? It's because of all the people who are so egoistic, that they oppose our efforts to make BioWare listen to us. They try so hard to destroy the game for us, because they are blind, they look out only for themselves. It wouldn't destroy their game, they only say that so they could troll us and see others suffering while they can enjoy their game.

It's cruel and pathetic, they should be ashamed.

Modifié par Vlk3, 28 juin 2012 - 07:10 .

[RShara]

If someone can bullet point our complaints, I'll start a new thread

[firel]

i made this gif, feel free to use it against fanboys who are too lazy to go on youtube.