Yeah, it was Tully's quote that got me.
Thane Thread 'It's difficult. All things worth keeping are.' Spoilers will be neck-snapped.
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 05:57
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*Coldi does the s-l-o-w nod in agreement*
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 06:18
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I wouldn't get too upset about Tully's view points. After all, it's just his outlook on it. I sometimes think he is being dictated by BioWare on how to response to certain issues. However, I can be completely wrong with that. I have never been one to assume what a company is currently doing.
That's why I didn't quote him in the Thane DLC Thread. He once pointed out to me, sometime ago that these view points were of his own and not of BioWare.
He just recently favorite one of my Thane romance artwork on deviantart. I was taken by surprise with it, so he is not the jackass we all currently think he is. So just cool it. He is just a mod with his own opinions.
That's why I didn't quote him in the Thane DLC Thread. He once pointed out to me, sometime ago that these view points were of his own and not of BioWare.
He just recently favorite one of my Thane romance artwork on deviantart. I was taken by surprise with it, so he is not the jackass we all currently think he is. So just cool it. He is just a mod with his own opinions.
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 06:59
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Squeegee83 wrote...
I wouldn't get too upset about Tully's view points. After all, it's just his outlook on it. I sometimes think he is being dictated by BioWare on how to response to certain issues. However, I can be completely wrong with that. I have never been one to assume what a company is currently doing.
That's why I didn't quote him in the Thane DLC Thread. He once pointed out to me, sometime ago that these view points were of his own and not of BioWare.
He just recently favorite one of my Thane romance artwork on deviantart. I was taken by surprise with it, so he is not the jackass we all currently think he is. So just cool it. He is just a mod with his own opinions.
Yeah I think he's in the UK so I can't imagine he knows any more than he has to (which is probably not very much) but I may be wrong. However, he did use the term 'we' when he suggested that saving Thane would 'trivialise' his character. Maybe that is what he has been instructed to say re thane... thinking that makes me feel sick all over again.
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 07:00
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To be honest, we have to stop giving up on the issue at hand. No one said this would be an easy task. Trust me, after two months of standing up for you guys, I know how hard of an undertaking this is. My mind might have taken me to a whole new way of thinking lately, but I been able to shut many people up at this point. No one is able to fight me.
I know there is facts to consider, but try to focus on how the game made you feel. Trust me, most people just flop in this area. Unless there is some moron out there who thinks he/she can tell you how to feel, most won't bother with it.
I know there is facts to consider, but try to focus on how the game made you feel. Trust me, most people just flop in this area. Unless there is some moron out there who thinks he/she can tell you how to feel, most won't bother with it.
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 07:42
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wildannie wrote...
Yeah I think he's in the UK so I can't imagine he knows any more than he has to (which is probably not very much) but I may be wrong. However, he did use the term 'we' when he suggested that saving Thane would 'trivialise' his character. Maybe that is what he has been instructed to say re thane... thinking that makes me feel sick all over again.
It's the reflection of many here already think. Which is nothing new to us. But yes, it did make me feel sick all over again too.
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 09:10
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I know it's normal for people to start feeling hopeless about this.. but the fact of the matter is that they're in the wrong (them being the ones against us), and we're in the right. Plain and simple. How many legitimate arguments have the trolls and people on the other side came up with? None that I know of. There are no excuses for alienating a large chunk of your customers, especially when it boils down to sexism. This whole situation is cruel and plain wrong. And I intend to voice my discontent over the matter. I will not back down like some subdued housewife like they want us to, not without kicking and screaming the whole way. All I have to do is think of Thane and how he didn't deserve any of this, and the feelings of anger are back.
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 09:56
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Hey my beloved ones 
Still know me? Sorry that I have been away for such a long time - RL still holds me back from a lot of internet work, but I finally managed to send Thane to his next station (Emerald he is coming to ya ) and did the screenis for Beanie *wooohoo* The Fanbook ist still in progress - Sharlene is working hard on the Intro and all the beautiful contributions are going to be send over to Bioware 
I counted along and we really have reached about 400 pages at the end. So our voices are still up at all.
To be honest: as long as ME3 exists and BW will not tell us they won't do any more DLC for the game we should have our hopes up. I still believe that they can't ignore us for years. And to be honest: I still love ME, also part 3, even if most of you wouldn't agree in this point. There are always things which can be done better - but to get a really good game for me I would only change 2 things: Thane and Jacob. And well, that's worth fighting for at all. I like the EC even if it wasn't that great thing I imagined but at least I can agree with the Destroy option at all. What different people on Twitter/Facebook or whereever state - I think it is really a mix of their own personal feelings and the things they are in fact allowed to say. Sometimes it is something I can't agree with since they really should know that people are looking to their statements more carefully, but well they have emotions/opinions too right? If I wouldn't believe in BW anymore I would have gone away a whole time back - since I would think that nothing I am doing could change anything at all. But I still think - they created Thane. If we need 100 000 letters to tell them how great and missunderstood their own creation is/was: hell let's write 100 000 letters. Squee and all of you did a great job - I still believe in you Hussa!
I really hope this post isn't too much out of context -.- I am at work at the moment and wasn't able to read carefully... I just wanted to tell you: I am still alive and I am still believing in anything you are doing and I still love youuuuu And the ridges of course
Still know me? Sorry that I have been away for such a long time - RL still holds me back from a lot of internet work, but I finally managed to send Thane to his next station (Emerald he is coming to ya ) and did the screenis for Beanie *wooohoo* The Fanbook ist still in progress - Sharlene is working hard on the Intro and all the beautiful contributions are going to be send over to Bioware I counted along and we really have reached about 400 pages at the end. So our voices are still up at all.To be honest: as long as ME3 exists and BW will not tell us they won't do any more DLC for the game we should have our hopes up. I still believe that they can't ignore us for years. And to be honest: I still love ME, also part 3, even if most of you wouldn't agree in this point. There are always things which can be done better - but to get a really good game for me I would only change 2 things: Thane and Jacob. And well, that's worth fighting for at all. I like the EC even if it wasn't that great thing I imagined but at least I can agree with the Destroy option at all. What different people on Twitter/Facebook or whereever state - I think it is really a mix of their own personal feelings and the things they are in fact allowed to say. Sometimes it is something I can't agree with since they really should know that people are looking to their statements more carefully, but well they have emotions/opinions too right?
If I wouldn't believe in BW anymore I would have gone away a whole time back - since I would think that nothing I am doing could change anything at all. But I still think - they created Thane. If we need 100 000 letters to tell them how great and missunderstood their own creation is/was: hell let's write 100 000 letters. Squee and all of you did a great job - I still believe in you Hussa!I really hope this post isn't too much out of context -.- I am at work at the moment and wasn't able to read carefully... I just wanted to tell you: I am still alive and I am still believing in anything you are doing and I still love youuuuu
And the ridges of course
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 10:44
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wildannie wrote...
Squeegee83 wrote...
I wouldn't get too upset about Tully's view points. After all, it's just his outlook on it. I sometimes think he is being dictated by BioWare on how to response to certain issues. However, I can be completely wrong with that. I have never been one to assume what a company is currently doing.
That's why I didn't quote him in the Thane DLC Thread. He once pointed out to me, sometime ago that these view points were of his own and not of BioWare.
He just recently favorite one of my Thane romance artwork on deviantart. I was taken by surprise with it, so he is not the jackass we all currently think he is. So just cool it. He is just a mod with his own opinions.
Yeah I think he's in the UK so I can't imagine he knows any more than he has to (which is probably not very much) but I may be wrong. However, he did use the term 'we' when he suggested that saving Thane would 'trivialise' his character. Maybe that is what he has been instructed to say re thane... thinking that makes me feel sick all over again.
Seriously?! Trivialize his character? Right so if there was a cure for cancer my dad should have just died anyway because if he was cured and lived, it would be trivial. How sickening. Thane is not defined by his illness, no one is and ffs it's a sci-fi game. How about you stop kicking all your loyal fans in the face bioware.
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 10:56
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@Yamainu
Long time no see
And I've said it before but I'll say it again: I'm not giving up on Thane either!
The etymology for my first name is "Stubborn as a rock" and as any RL acquintance of mine can attest, it's true, my stubborness knows no bounds.
And...the Thane plushie is on his way to Sweden?
Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
*Ehem* Compose yourself Emerald!
Long time no see
And I've said it before but I'll say it again: I'm not giving up on Thane either!
The etymology for my first name is "Stubborn as a rock" and as any RL acquintance of mine can attest, it's true, my stubborness knows no bounds.
And...the Thane plushie is on his way to Sweden?
Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
*Ehem* Compose yourself Emerald!
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 12:25
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@yamainu: nice speech well done xD
i won't give up either, thane is too important for me to give up. i will never ever do this, he deserved better. evne if i wished to save all my squaddies (legion, mordin T_T) thane and jacob war eally bad, but i think all me2 LI cameos could be made better
well done xDi won't give up either, thane is too important for me to give up. i will never ever do this, he deserved better. evne if i wished to save all my squaddies (legion, mordin T_T) thane and jacob war eally bad, but i think all me2 LI cameos could be made better
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 02:28
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@Emerald: you will LOve him believe me But to be honest: I reall want to change with him... Travel around the world and visit people who love me? Well... yap I really would enjoy this too
@Moira: You are right all of them deserved more (hell how I loved Jack -.-) but still for myself it would be ok at all. At least they are alive and didn't betra you at all About Mordin and Legion: I really have to agree here with some of the people around the forums: I think a story like ME really need something like that: Heroes who are dying for the cause they are living for. I cried the hell at Mordins and Legions death and whispered an hour "no,no,no,no, this can't be true" but in the end: they died an heroic death. I really can live with that at all - since they are still theirselves -.- that's why I can understand people who say: Shepard's death is the only conclusion for them. I, for myself, cannot agre here. I need her alive, anything else just hurts to much for me, I love her to much. But this is only my personal feeling about it, that is why there is no other ending for me than the Destroy otion. you see: I have a choice here - thanks BW (we till need one more). But at least I really can understand their opinion. And I can understand you either, I really would love this fluffy ending too. But sometimes some tears and drama make a character even more deeper, you love him more and you just think that you never can stop crying.
as long as the story arc of a character is ok - just spoken for myself - I can let him/her go at all. only spoken for myself: Mordin was epic. 2 hours crying, not able to go on but at the same time the feeling: which better reason could tehre be to sacriface yourself than making something that big "right". But leting someone be killed by an stupid assassin just because he is defined by his illness and he should have an oh so epic death - yeah, we discussed this before. Thane's death is not epic. It is the desperate try to put this charcter into ME3 in SOME way. To be honest: for me it would have been less painfull if I got to know at the beginning of ME3 that he died some weeks ago because of his illness - the two of them made some memories at the desert before. But instead they gave us this clone of him.
Hell bunchof text. Sorry. I really have a need to talk as it seems
But to be honest: I reall want to change with him... Travel around the world and visit people who love me? Well... yap I really would enjoy this too @Moira: You are right all of them deserved more (hell how I loved Jack -.-) but still for myself it would be ok at all. At least they are alive and didn't betra you at all
About Mordin and Legion: I really have to agree here with some of the people around the forums: I think a story like ME really need something like that: Heroes who are dying for the cause they are living for. I cried the hell at Mordins and Legions death and whispered an hour "no,no,no,no, this can't be true" but in the end: they died an heroic death. I really can live with that at all - since they are still theirselves -.- that's why I can understand people who say: Shepard's death is the only conclusion for them. I, for myself, cannot agre here. I need her alive, anything else just hurts to much for me, I love her to much. But this is only my personal feeling about it, that is why there is no other ending for me than the Destroy otion. you see: I have a choice here - thanks BW (we till need one more). But at least I really can understand their opinion. And I can understand you either, I really would love this fluffy ending too. But sometimes some tears and drama make a character even more deeper, you love him more and you just think that you never can stop crying. as long as the story arc of a character is ok - just spoken for myself - I can let him/her go at all. only spoken for myself: Mordin was epic. 2 hours crying, not able to go on but at the same time the feeling: which better reason could tehre be to sacriface yourself than making something that big "right". But leting someone be killed by an stupid assassin just because he is defined by his illness and he should have an oh so epic death - yeah, we discussed this before. Thane's death is not epic. It is the desperate try to put this charcter into ME3 in SOME way. To be honest: for me it would have been less painfull if I got to know at the beginning of ME3 that he died some weeks ago because of his illness - the two of them made some memories at the desert before. But instead they gave us this clone of him.
Hell bunchof text. Sorry. I really have a need to talk as it seems
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 03:15
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i know what ya mean, really, could not say it better. i really love how it went out with mordin and legion and mordin is saveable and i will save him someday, really, but legion has no choice T_T and really...guys, everyone could surive a SUICIDE MISSion, well if it's like that i'm just doing suicide missions instead of war becuase i will surivive...thats ironic...and well the whole game was a hollywood blockbuster. lot of explosions and dramaticall scene..but blockbuster do have a happy end...
well, i still love me3...but well.
and dani, we need to retry it with the meeting so that we can discuss this all with a cup of coffee/cacao xD
well, i still love me3...but well.
and dani, we need to retry it with the meeting so that we can discuss this all with a cup of coffee/cacao xD
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 03:40
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Hi
I've done the ending of ME3 again and for the second time, I noticed that nobody was with Joker when Hackett tells him to leave. In all the videos I've seen, it was Liara or Garrus etc.
I wonder, does this have anything to do with the LI? Mine was Thane, obviously (and I brought Garrus and Javik with me in London), or is it just some problem in my game?
I've done the ending of ME3 again and for the second time, I noticed that nobody was with Joker when Hackett tells him to leave. In all the videos I've seen, it was Liara or Garrus etc.
I wonder, does this have anything to do with the LI? Mine was Thane, obviously (and I brought Garrus and Javik with me in London), or is it just some problem in my game?
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 04:00
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i don't know, my thanemancer had javik and trainor in the cabin, tell him to escape, in my kaidan pt it was liara and trainor...my friend had liara and trainor too
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 05:05
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@Yamainu - *Tackle-glomp!* Hey Sweetpea! Glad to see you posting.
I suspect that most everyone (and this is just my guess, so anyone who feels differently, I apologize for the 'lumping') is just feeling a bit raw lately. New trolls to contend with, and louder voices from some of the other fan groups can make it seem like we are being drowned out. I have no problem continuing to fight for Thane. Just knowing that it is possible to make a choice for him work, is comforting, even if BW doesn't end up doing anything. WE know it would have been possible, but we are at their mercy to what content is made. Anyway, that is simply the worst case scenario in my mind.
Though I don't share quite the love for me3 even without the "Thane Problem" (you can see my thoughts on that on the previous page), I would still love to have a final game for this trilogy. I could take me3 well enough, if they did give us Thanemancers some love (and greedy gal that I am, an email, picture and one extra line just doesn't do it for me....I know.....so 'entitled' eh? <smirk>). Hope for the best, expect the worst....I'll keep posting, doing up analysis' to bore you all with, and getting silly cuz that's just my way.
(GROUP HUG) *the parentheses are meant to be arms.....did that come across??* ;D
<DrellsHaveRidges> *be sure to roll your r's on "ridges* <grin>
I suspect that most everyone (and this is just my guess, so anyone who feels differently, I apologize for the 'lumping') is just feeling a bit raw lately. New trolls to contend with, and louder voices from some of the other fan groups can make it seem like we are being drowned out. I have no problem continuing to fight for Thane. Just knowing that it is possible to make a choice for him work, is comforting, even if BW doesn't end up doing anything. WE know it would have been possible, but we are at their mercy to what content is made. Anyway, that is simply the worst case scenario in my mind.
Though I don't share quite the love for me3 even without the "Thane Problem" (you can see my thoughts on that on the previous page), I would still love to have a final game for this trilogy. I could take me3 well enough, if they did give us Thanemancers some love (and greedy gal that I am, an email, picture and one extra line just doesn't do it for me....I know.....so 'entitled' eh? <smirk>). Hope for the best, expect the worst....I'll keep posting, doing up analysis' to bore you all with, and getting silly cuz that's just my way.
(GROUP HUG) *the parentheses are meant to be arms.....did that come across??* ;D
<DrellsHaveRidges> *be sure to roll your r's on "ridges* <grin>
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 05:07
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you're on of the best coldi, really *rehug*
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 05:11
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mnomaha wrote...
....Are you f*cking kidding me??!!!
http://www.oxm.co.uk...-mass-effect-3/
edit: Actually, got this off Keythe's facebook page. You know me, I had to leave a comment.
Is just that post Tully left and we already saw it. Only new bit of info is that ME4 might be a prequel. But I think the reporter is just counting on the fact that bioware also said "No new content taken place after EC"
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 06:01
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firel wrote...
I know it's normal for people to start feeling hopeless about this.. but the fact of the matter is that they're in the wrong (them being the ones against us), and we're in the right. Plain and simple. How many legitimate arguments have the trolls and people on the other side came up with? None that I know of. There are no excuses for alienating a large chunk of your customers, especially when it boils down to sexism. This whole situation is cruel and plain wrong. And I intend to voice my discontent over the matter. I will not back down like some subdued housewife like they want us to, not without kicking and screaming the whole way. All I have to do is think of Thane and how he didn't deserve any of this, and the feelings of anger are back.
It is knowing that they really were wrong to do this that will keep me motivated to continue. It is the first time that I've really felt the brunt of sexism and I do not like it one little bit. I will be here until the bitter end.
@everyone glad you'll all be hanging in here with me
... nice idea coldi *wildannie joins (group hug)*
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 06:13
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Yes I read that on Keythe's page too - I actually found the "article" pretty lacking in any kind of real information. We already knew that they weren't releasing any content after the end, so any DLC will be during the timeframe of the game.
And sure, "Shepard lives" for those that chose Destroy, but not everyone did, so trying to do something after that would be difficult.
I want my Thane DLC/romance pack. Or Thane DLC that involves the Hanar, drell and other interesting missions.
And sure, "Shepard lives" for those that chose Destroy, but not everyone did, so trying to do something after that would be difficult.
I want my Thane DLC/romance pack. Or Thane DLC that involves the Hanar, drell and other interesting missions.
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 06:15
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Moira-chan wrote...
The Garrus Fanbook arrived
Sorry for the double post but I saw that too - good thing Thane's will be the cherry on the sundae when it arrives in it's 400+ page glory!!!
And @giftfish - read and voted on your polls and thread!
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 06:21
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@ Cold Well said, as always. I think raw is a good word for what I've been feeling lately.
*joins group hug*
@ Moira That is awesome. Garrus fans did a great job with their book!
I'm sorry to hear about your father. My mom had recurring cervical cancer. When the cancer returned she couldn't have radiation treatment again because she'd already had it before. Her only options were to die from cancer or try to get rid of it with a radical surgery - pelvic exenteration.
My mom chose the surgery because she was desperate to beat the cancer and live. She died from complications from the surgery a few months later but she fought for every second of her life. She wanted to live for her family. That's why I can't understand what was done to Thane. He had a son to live for and also a lover (if romanced). The climax of his ME2 romance also showed that he was not at peace with his death. He was afraid. So why didn't he fight for his life and do all he could to stay alive? The lung transplant was an option for him but it was just swept under the carpet and Shepard coudn't even ask him about it.
Thane getting the lung transplant would not have trivialized him anymore than my mother choosing to have surgery in an attempt to prolong her life trivialized her. Which is to say, not at all.
It really is sickening that BioWare seem to think a person being treated/or cured of their illness will somehow trivialize them. If anything they are the ones who trivialized Thane's character by making him one-note and just sit around to wait for his hamfisted ~dramatic~ death scene. Cause dying was his only purpose in the story, right? Ugh.
Not sure.
Thane was my Shep's LI as well and Garrus was with Joker telling him to leave. It could be a glitch?
*joins group hug*
@ Moira That is awesome. Garrus fans did a great job with their book!
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Seriously?! Trivialize his character? Right so if there was a cure for cancer my dad should have just died anyway because if he was cured and lived, it would be trivial. How sickening. Thane is not defined by his illness, no one is and ffs it's a sci-fi game. How about you stop kicking all your loyal fans in the face bioware.
I'm sorry to hear about your father. My mom had recurring cervical cancer. When the cancer returned she couldn't have radiation treatment again because she'd already had it before. Her only options were to die from cancer or try to get rid of it with a radical surgery - pelvic exenteration.
My mom chose the surgery because she was desperate to beat the cancer and live. She died from complications from the surgery a few months later but she fought for every second of her life. She wanted to live for her family. That's why I can't understand what was done to Thane. He had a son to live for and also a lover (if romanced). The climax of his ME2 romance also showed that he was not at peace with his death. He was afraid. So why didn't he fight for his life and do all he could to stay alive? The lung transplant was an option for him but it was just swept under the carpet and Shepard coudn't even ask him about it.
Thane getting the lung transplant would not have trivialized him anymore than my mother choosing to have surgery in an attempt to prolong her life trivialized her. Which is to say, not at all.
It really is sickening that BioWare seem to think a person being treated/or cured of their illness will somehow trivialize them. If anything they are the ones who trivialized Thane's character by making him one-note and just sit around to wait for his hamfisted ~dramatic~ death scene. Cause dying was his only purpose in the story, right? Ugh.
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Hi
I've done the ending of ME3 again and for the second time, I noticed that nobody was with Joker when Hackett tells him to leave. In all the videos I've seen, it was Liara or Garrus etc.
I wonder, does this have anything to do with the LI? Mine was Thane, obviously (and I brought Garrus and Javik with me in London), or is it just some problem in my game?
Not sure.
Thane was my Shep's LI as well and Garrus was with Joker telling him to leave. It could be a glitch?
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Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 06:45
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Javik: Drell, we need to talk about the Commander.
Thane: No, we do not.
Javik: I have something to show you.
Thane: Very well.
Javik: What say you about that, primitive?
Thane: It is not what it seems.
Javik: Tell yourself what you must, green scaly one. I am currently keeping her happy aboard the Normandy.
Thane: I did not want to have to do this but....
Javik: You disgust me, Drell.
Thane: You engaged me first.
Javik: This exchange is over.
Thane: No, we do not.
Javik: I have something to show you.
Thane: Very well.
Javik: What say you about that, primitive?
Thane: It is not what it seems.
Javik: Tell yourself what you must, green scaly one. I am currently keeping her happy aboard the Normandy.
Thane: I did not want to have to do this but....
Javik: You disgust me, Drell.
Thane: You engaged me first.
Javik: This exchange is over.
