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[Lymle Lemuri]

Maybe he contracted himself? His spirit contracted his body to take care of her because of her actions. It would explain why he prayed as well after that. I don't think he prayed for the wicked which the Hanar contracted him to kill, because like he said, his body was just a tool, like a gun. He was going to kill her then accept death if her mercs killed him afterwards. Every time I see that scene I kinda get a shiver, you essentially Thane from his own remorse and give him a greater purpose again.

Thus is just my theory though.

Edit: Whoot 55

Modifié par Lymle Lemuri, 12 septembre 2011 - 03:36 .

[Asenza]

Lymle Lemuri wrote...

Maybe he contracted himself? His spirit contracted his body to take care of her because of her actions. It would explain why he prayed as well after that. I don't think he prayed for the wicked which the Hanar contracted him to kill, because like he said, his body was just a tool, like a gun. He was going to kill her then accept death if her mercs killed him afterwards. Every time I see that scene I kinda get a shiver, you essentially Thane from his own remorse and give him a greater purpose again.

Thus is just my theory though.

Edit: Whoot 55

Only problem is, if no one hired him then he made the conscious decision to take out Nasanna. The only time his personal (well the philosophy of the Drell, he makes it sound like) belief and in the separation between the body and the soul is broken by his own actions is when he hunted down, tortured and eventully killed Irikah's murderers. After the end of that ten-year quest, he sought to end himself in the attempt or the aftermath of killing Nassana... but killing Nassana and even killing Nassana's guards without someone else putting the contract out on her means he is responsible.

@ 51ha

The question is, who hired him, even though the information available in the game states that no one hired him. Assuming that Seryna lied, when she proved helpful to the extreme and truthful in all other aspects doesn't make sense, even with her sudden exodus from Illium.

Back on the ship, Thane said that he accepted the Dantius comission because he had nothing else to do but to die. I believe Seryna said that he was doing this for free. If it was a comission he was doing pro bono after someone hired him, I have no problem with it, but Seryna says that Thane said no one hired him, despite the fact that he says he accepted a job. X_X. Did they forget what they wrote?

It's only problematic because Thane's philosophy concerning guilt and responsibility hinges on whether or not someone hired him, and that part is unclear before, during and after his recruitment mission. Nassana somehow heard that someone was coming to kill her because the towers were on full alert and she was killing all her workers in paranoia, but the problem still is Seryna where she said that Thane said no one hired him.

Either he was hired or he wasn't.

Modifié par Asenza, 12 septembre 2011 - 03:49 .

[Lymle Lemuri]

Asenza wrote...

Lymle Lemuri wrote...

Maybe he contracted himself? His spirit contracted his body to take care of her because of her actions. It would explain why he prayed as well after that. I don't think he prayed for the wicked which the Hanar contracted him to kill, because like he said, his body was just a tool, like a gun. He was going to kill her then accept death if her mercs killed him afterwards. Every time I see that scene I kinda get a shiver, you essentially Thane from his own remorse and give him a greater purpose again.

Thus is just my theory though.

Edit: Whoot 55

Only problem is, if no one hired him then he made the conscious decision to take out Nasanna. The only time his personal (well the philosophy of the Drell, he makes it sound like) belief and in the separation between the body and the soul is broken by his own actions is when he hunted down, tortured and eventully killed Irikah's murderers. After the end of that ten-year quest, he sought to end himself in the attempt or the aftermath of killing Nassana... but killing Nassana and even killing Nassana's guards without someone else putting the contract out on her means he is responsible.

Yes, but he hunted the mercs that killed Irikah out of hate, spite and revenge. Yes he was punishing the wicked, but like he said, he let them suffer, tortured them maybe. He killed Nassana because she was wicked to others.

Again this is just theory. At first I thought it would have been one of Nassana's sisters but the dialogue contridicts that theory.

[Asenza]

51ha wrote...

@Ascensa

After Thane said that he accepted the Dantius comission because he didn't know what else to do he also says "I would have fulfilled my contract. If Nassana's guards caught me afterwards it would have been a good death."

As for who hired him - Thane would probably never tell, not even to Shepard.

Aw, come on. Don't wanna play? I understand that Thane says he had a contract to kill Nassana, but unless I'm completely misremembering the section with Seryna, she says that Thane said no one hired him.

I don't care that we don't know who hired Thane. The only reason it's important is because I'm questioning IF anyone hired Thane at this point.

Thane will tell Shepard about his life, his wife, about her death, and about his actions as a result of her death and his death-wish and terminal illness, but he would scruple at telling Shepard who hired him to kill Nassana? That seems an odd place to draw the line.

EDIT: and if Seryna lied to Shepard, why is the question. If Thane lied to Seryna, why is also the question. Thane had no reason to lie to Seryna, she was helping him get to Nassana, and if she was willingly telling him about the building layout and the number of merc guards and all, lying to her about whether he was hired or not makes no sense. It also had little bearing on the situation- Seryna didn't care how or why Nassana was going to die, she just wanted Nassana dead.

It makes even less sense for Seryna to lie to Shepard- Seryna wanted Nassana dead and she wished Thane luck- when Shepard + crew show up to make sure Thane lives, Seryna doesn't mind because Thane's taking out Nassana, someone she has no love for. She later states that she owes Thane a drink, so if he takes out Nassana and lives, Seryna considers that a good outcome. But telling Shepard that no one hired Thane doesn't hinder that, so she has no reason to lie about it.

Modifié par Asenza, 12 septembre 2011 - 04:14 .

[Shepenwepet]

The only thing I can see is that if Seryna hired Thane and then tells Shepard (or if Thane tells Shepard) it may endanger Seryna. Not sure how many friends Nassana had, if any, but if word got out that Seryna (or whoever) hired Thane, there may be a price on her head. Thane may just be keeping silent to protect her. Sure, I doubt Shepard would go around saying, "Oh, by the way, random NPC on Illium, XXXX hired Thane to kill Nassana.." but better safe than sorry.

[Asenza]

Shepenwepet wrote...

The only thing I can see is that if Seryna hired Thane and then tells Shepard (or if Thane tells Shepard) it may endanger Seryna. Not sure how many friends Nassana had, if any, but if word got out that Seryna (or whoever) hired Thane, there may be a price on her head. Thane may just be keeping silent to protect her. Sure, I doubt Shepard would go around saying, "Oh, by the way, random NPC on Illium, XXXX hired Thane to kill Nassana.." but better safe than sorry.

Possible, and her sudden dissapearance after the fact might hint towards her being the one who ordered the hit, but that's just that. It's a hint, not proof.

I'm sorry, I really didn't mean to make this about Seryna- it's only her information/misinformation/Bioware messed up/I misremembered something has impacted Thane. It's a discepancy.

[JECWSU]

I guess Seryna could have hired him. It would explain why she just left. She also askes if Shepard planned on stopping him. Honestly I dont know if we will ever find out. I think Thane would tell Shepard the truth if she asked. She never does. It could jut simply be a mistake on Biowares part.

[Asenza]

JECWSU wrote...

I guess Seryna could have hired him. It would explain why she just left. She also askes if Shepard planned on stopping him. Honestly I dont know if we will ever find out. I think Thane would tell Shepard the truth if she asked. She never does. It could jut simply be a mistake on Biowares part.

Just watched a vid of Shepard/Seryna while they're in the car on the way to the towers. It's a bit odd that she asks on the way to the towers if Shepard plans on stopping Thane. I mean if she ordered the hit on Nassana, she should have asked that question before she offered to take Shepard+Friends anywhere. By the time they're in the car, its too late to mislead them.

What if Shepard HAD said, instead of, "I'm just there to make sure he survives," but this, "I need Nassana for a critical mission and she must live to help me accomplish it." What could have Seryna have done, crashed the car and hoped she didn't die in the process? We know she doesn't like Nassana, and we have the story she tells Shepard as to why, but we don't know how badly she wanted Nassana dead. She treated the whole incident like a good bit of fun. If she paid for Thane to take Nassana out for whatever reason, surely sending people who might disrupt or ruin the kill in would hinder her plans.

Again, only reason its important because all other evidence points to Thane having been hired for the job, save that one line from Seryna. And if Seryna's line was true then it has a direct effect on Thane's body (not equal to) soul equation.

Modifié par Asenza, 12 septembre 2011 - 04:47 .

[Cosmochyck]

I noticed the disconnect as well, and also thought perhaps Seryna was involved. We'll have to see if they address this in ME3, but all the speculation is fantastic!

[JECWSU]

There are some things in the game that don't make much sense.
Seryna's one line could have been a lie. She did just take off later on. She leaves you a message and that's it. If she didn't hire him maybe she knows who did. The problem is we only have what she says to go on. Unless we can ask Thane about it ,or Bioware decides to explain it we may never know. Maybe we will find out in ME3.

Modifié par JECWSU, 12 septembre 2011 - 05:07 .

[Asenza]

If someone has a save just before Thane's mission (before you talk to Seryna for the first time) that would help immensely. I'm really hoping I didn't just imagine her saying that Thane said no one hired him. If I misremembered it, then there isn't a problem.

But just saying "Oh, she lied" when she has no reason to, when she offers that information herself only avoids the problem, it doesn't solve its existence.

[Shepenwepet]

Thane does say "This was to be my last job," so that does imply that he was hired. But, like Lymle said up there somewhere, he prays "for the wicked." He wouldn't pray for himself if he was a mere weapon, and thus not responsible, unless said prayers were for the innocents that died because he wasn't fast enough.

Bioware, you make my brain hurt sometimes.

[JECWSU]

She doesn't have a reason to lie that we know of. Maybe she didn't lie. Maybe she is just going off of the information Thane gave her. We really don't know what Thane told her exactly.

Maybe bioware didn't count on anyone actually noticing the inconsistancies in the story. So unless they helps us out all we can do is speculate.

I agee though that Thane wouldn't lie to Shepard about having a contract.

[dunfall14]

Asenza wrote...

If someone has a save just before Thane's mission (before you talk to Seryna for the first time) that would help immensely. I'm really hoping I didn't just imagine her saying that Thane said no one hired him. If I misremembered it, then there isn't a problem.

But just saying "Oh, she lied" when she has no reason to, when she offers that information herself only avoids the problem, it doesn't solve its existence.

Hello, I have just done Thane's mission.

Liara said that Thane contacted a woman name Seryna.

When talking to Seryna she says "Yeah, I know who Thane is. I might have passed him some information, but I didn't hire him."

She also say's " I can tell you, but you won't stop him. When he contacted me, I checked up on him. The man never gives up on a job." and she was also fired by Nassana.

[JECWSU]

So she never says no one hired him? She just says she didn't hire him?

Modifié par JECWSU, 12 septembre 2011 - 06:32 .

[Asenza]

dunfall14 wrote...

Asenza wrote...

If someone has a save just before Thane's mission (before you talk to Seryna for the first time) that would help immensely. I'm really hoping I didn't just imagine her saying that Thane said no one hired him. If I misremembered it, then there isn't a problem.

But just saying "Oh, she lied" when she has no reason to, when she offers that information herself only avoids the problem, it doesn't solve its existence.

Hello, I have just done Thane's mission.

Liara said that Thane contacted a woman name Seryna.

When talking to Seryna she says "Yeah, I know who Thane is. I might have passed him some information, but I didn't hire him."

She also say's " I can tell you, but you won't stop him. When he contacted me, I checked up on him. The man never gives up on a job." and she was also fired by Nassana.

Ah.

 >_<  Guess I'll have to hook up my xbox when I get back to school and run and do his mission. I am willing to bet on my ThaneShep's life that she says no one hired him somewhere during that conversation. I'll even record it. If there's still no evidence of it then I'll retract the last six or seven posts of mine and have said Shep fail during The Arrival DLC.

[dunfall14]

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Modifié par dunfall14, 12 septembre 2011 - 06:35 .

[JECWSU]

I just looked it up, and she does say nobody hired him.

She says "He's did say that his not doing the hit for money.Nobody hired him."  She also says that Thane told her he was doing this job on his own.

Modifié par JECWSU, 12 septembre 2011 - 06:40 .

[Asenza]

Just got my Shep to Seryna- "He did say he's not doing the hit for money. Nobody hired him."

Yaay! I'm not delusional! Thanks everyone else you just confirmed the same time as I did.

Now my Shep doesn't have to doom the galaxy!

Boo, this means Bioware messed up and didn't consider that Nasanna would be another death on Thane's conscience because he acted of his own free will!

Modifié par Asenza, 12 septembre 2011 - 06:34 .

[JECWSU]

I figured it was one of Biowares many inconsistancies.

[Cosmochyck]

JECWSU wrote...

I figured it was one of Biowares many inconsistancies.

Well we can hope they clear it up in ME3