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[RShara]

I have no idea why I didn't see that post!

Squee you did a fantastic job! I'm sorry you're feeling burned out. Lots of hugs and admiration!

[mythlover20]

Squeegee83 wrote...

Raikoh110 wrote...

They did walk out on their own story. However, I am happy you told a mod to go suck an egg. I was proud when you told Tully the truth regarding the projects. I felt for the first time that we were truly fighting....

I know what I have done, what I have faced and how I am being treated.Trust me, I get it. I could go into an epically long response, but there is no point to it. Nothing will change, nothing will be done about it and surely no one will fully understand it.

I no longer care if we gain an option to save Thane. I don't care who takes over the campaign and I do not care what anyone thinks about me. I am done. I have given the opportunity, it is now up to others to take advantage of it.

Oh Squee, no one fought harder than you. No one COULD fight harder than you. I just hope that you are able to rest for a while, recharge your batteries, and can come back to fight harder and better than before, now with war-hardened generals by your side. You never were alone in this, even if we were not as active as we are now.

[JECW]

Squee you did an amazing job. I hope you know how much we appreciate it.

[Gracie92]

Emeraldfern wrote...


Foreshadowing...funny thing that...

Because personally I actually counted four different treatments to Kepral's Syndrome that exists lore-wise, and as such is a kind of fore-shadowing:

Antibiotics: This treatment doesn't help Thane anymore though. Which, if my limited knowledge of biology is correct, doesn't make sense, something about Thane becoming resistant to antibiotics? Which is not how antibiotics work, the targeted bacteria is the one that becomes resistant not the patient iirc.

The cure that the hanar are working on: Yes, the "years from being finished part"...
You know what else was "years from being finished? the Genophage cure and Quarian re-adaption to Rannoch and yet...Space Magic! Convenient, no?

Eupolmos Device: No, don't try to tell me that CDNN isn't canon. It is. As a matter of fact, you know that guy Adrien Victus? That cool turian Primarch (voiced by Farley ftw!)? He was a commanding officer on Taetrus. You know what else happened on Taetrus? The Eupolmos Device did. And yes, it works for both levo and dextro species.

Lung Transplant: Yes, Thane refused to be put up on the list I know. But that was before waking up from his "battle-sleep". Don't feed me with the "Oh but he's ok with dying again so he doesn't want one" boogaloo. The Thane I knew in ME2 wouldn't turn a deaf ear to his friend/Siha, and no one close of kin (or friend for that matter) would in their right mind ignore to bring up a possible treatment. Technically, that goes for all of the above treatments.

Then there is the meta-gaming foreshadowing known as the "Cure Thane" banner. Which was not only recieved, it was also promoted by BioWare themselves. Don't try to tell me that "Oh we had no idea". Yes you did. And you know...if that isn't trolling fans I don't know what is.

Not to mention the ableism which is sadly surfacing in a subtle, but nonetheless noticable way:

"It's realism, people die from terminal illness" Yes they do. But you know what else they do? Survive. And more importantly keep fighting. There may be "bad days" when they feel like giving up, but do you know what stops them? Hope does. And again, the Thane I knew in ME2 sure as hell hadn't given up hope.

"But..that would demean his tragedy, trivialize his character arc". Oh wow. Absolutely beautiful.

So that was who Thane was; Tragedy? He wasn't a character with a life? Oh wait, apparantely his illness was his character. Not you know, the caring father, friend or even lover. Nah, tragedy is where it's at bro.

I suppose that means I should say this to my grandpa:

"Sorry, if you don't die you will be trivialized! Since hey...your life isn't worth living now that you've got dementia."

And to my mom:

"You know if you find life so damn difficult to cope with because of your handicap it isn't worth living. "

Because you know, none of them are persons, they are just ill and dying anyway. Living is "trivial" /sarcasm

Er...NO. BIG GIANT NO-NO.

And the "But survival is too "happy"! We need "doom and gloom" in order to appreciate happiness."

Then let me tell you a lesson in life, one I sincerely hope you will never need to experience first-hand:

A loved one close to you is gravely ill. You have literally no idea if she's going to pull through or not. Your entire world is upside down. You try to adjust to the possibility that your loved one will never come home again. Everyone you know around you tries to cheer you up so that you don't give up. Somedays it works better than others. Somedays you fight on because it is what your close one wants you to do.

But somedays you ask yourself if it is a fight you can ever win. The thoughts crawl in your head: Will she live? What if she doesn't...what then? How can I go on when she is gone?
You look at a pill bottle; This uncertainty is enough! You can end it right there, right now! But you don't. And there is one reason alone that you don't, the last thing to leave man as they say: Hope.

Hope that you will see your loved one again, that you can tell her how much they mean to you, that you can hear her voice, look in her eyes, and live your life with her. Yes, hope alone is what sustains you, and keeping it in the back of your mind is what ensures your own survival. So no hope isn't "trivial" at all.

A few weeks later you get the news; She will pull through!

And here is the funny thing, you stop taking that person for granted. You already almost lost them once already. You're not going to make the mistake of wasting what time you have left with them.

Oh, I forgot to mention. Survival isn't exactly just "sunshine and bunnies". Both the survivor and those close to her needs to find their way back in life. And that is not as easy as it sounds. The illness leaves scars; physical and otherwise, for again, both the survivor and her close of kin.

Adjusting to these scars doesn't happen overnight, it is constant, and truth be told, they never disappear completely. You can patch them up as best as you can, but they don't disappear, and they certainly aren't "trivial" at all.
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/Rant over. I hope I didn't depress people with that wall of text.

And yes, I suppose I just admitted that I was at one point in my life, suicidal.

I really did almost end my life at the age of 12. Yes I was stupid. Yes I was weak.

I know that now. I didn't back then.

I'm usually very hesitant to admit that part to people, because it tends to, for some reason, invite ignorance en masse. In relation to the above, I guess this does give me another perspective on Thane too, at least in the "regaining the will to live again part" since it is something I have experienced first-hand. And as such Thane's role and dialogue in ME3 really rubs me the wrong way in that his will to live in ME2 apparantely means nothing.

[Edit] This post is probably littered with spell/grammar phail. Meh it's way late over here and I'll double-check things at a later time.

  That was goram beautiful, thank you for sharing tht with us hon. And we are damn proud to have you here with us!
I totally argee with everything you so excellectly put.

[Gracie92]

giftfish wrote...

Gracie92 wrote...

Wow, yea I dont know where I 1st read this but this.......this would have been a milliom times more appropriate than the **** we got.
(sigh) I would have gladly waitied a few more years for this game to come out to knw tht it was polished and perfect or close to it. U think tht would have made a difference?
Maybe they would have cured him? But it does sound like they always wanted to kill him off

You know, this leaked script still feels quite wrong to me. 

Thane and FemShep are just starting to fall in love.  Their relationship is going to deepen,daily.  This is part of what feels so wrong about ME3.  The lack of continuity and progression in the relationship.  This script still does not reflect any progression in the relationship at all, and Shep being incarcerated really isn't an excuse in my book.  They would be longing for each otehr the entire time.   Not to mention that I  think the chances of our uber-ninja-assasin, Thane, being kept away from incarcerated Shep if he really wanted to see her, are mighty slim.  He could likely be in and out before anyone would notice.   Especially, if he had Kasumi helping him.

Anyway, the dialogue and interactions between Thane and Shepard still don't have the same depth and warmth to them that they do in ME2.  Not even close.  The choice of wording is also wrong in many places.   Therefore, I  wouldn't have been happy with this either, as it still feels a bit dismissive toward their relationship.  I agree that it would have been awesome to have Thane as a squadmate for a mission, but the death scene still seems short and curt.  Still no "I love yous."   And, I really don't think Thane would want his last memory of Shepard to be...a memory of Shepard.  In addition, the dialogue between Shep and Liara still focuses on the the fact that her relationship with Thane was short -- there's no "I love yous" refered to there, either.  FriendShep could have easily said some of the same words.  And, of course, there's still no option for a cure, which, with the amount of foreshadowing present, still royally sucks and doesn't make alot of sense.

While I  agree that this particular leaked script is a small degree better than what was actually released, I think many of us are so hungry for better content that we are willing to take any scraps we can find.

Well.

NO  FREAKING  SCRAPS  FOR  ME!

LET  US  SAVE  THANE, BIOWARE!!!

I need coffee now.  Kthxbai.<3

Oh I would have loved to see tht! Thane and Kasumi could have totally pulled tht off so easily!
Yea the foreshadowin was a punch to the gut for all us Thanemancers out there> I swear I really wasnt worried bout it b4 ME3 came out cuz I heard tht the fans were cheering for him to be saved and tht BW sponsered alot of those movements....(sigh) shouldnt have freakin build our hope like tht, its only gonna be twice as more painful and we couldnt even see it coming.

[Aello89]

Roxy wrote...

I remember this. But were there any results of the campain ever revealed?

Modifié par Aello89, 29 juillet 2012 - 08:01 .

[Gracie92]

So did than mean he didnt get enough votes? Hmmmmm could it be possible tht they are saving the cure for DLC? I mean if they were aware of all this maybe they want to make a buck (or like10) outta this cuz they knw we would be constantly demanding for a cure? (sigh) is is me still holding out for a miracle. I mean I'll gladly pay but **** they didnt have to torture us like this! >

[Moira-chan]

i would have take part of it, when i had noticed it, but i was too late for all of the me2 post actions... stupid me, why haven't i brought mass effect earlier

[mnomaha]

Aello89 wrote...

Roxy wrote...

I remember this. But were there any results of the campain ever revealed?

No, not so much. Just this and it was a little before they took ME2 off facebook.



http://i187.photobuc...ha/facebook.jpg


I'm not entirely sure it's the same thing.

Modifié par mnomaha, 29 juillet 2012 - 09:22 .

[Aello89]

mnomaha wrote...

No, not so much. Just this and it was a little before they took ME2 off facebook.



http://i187.photobuc...ha/facebook.jpg


I'm not entirely sure it's the same thing.

I did change the pic at the time for a certian period.  Kind of expected that some results would be posted, but as always when university demands your utter devotion, you simply miss such things. Seems something similiar, probably not exactly same...but the gist of it is there.

So they gave us an option only to be removed and made pointless in the end. Since no results were ever published. Though maybe any of you who has twitter could ask Mr. Weeks about it (about the results of the campain)? He might be indulged to say at least something since he's one of developers who at least tries to be honest.

[giftfish]

So....thinking about having a couple of t-shirts made for myself.  Take a look....

Front:


Back:

Modifié par giftfish, 29 juillet 2012 - 05:37 .

[giftfish]

And then I  was thinking about this one, too....

Front:


Back:


Both would have the #SaveThane pic on the sleeve.   Need to contact the company tomorrow and find out how much they would be.  Just what I  have currently puts them at $36.75 incl shipping (each), and art on the sleeve is an additional cost, so, we'll see, lol.  They would be my birthday present to myself in a couple weeks

[Roxy]

Those are really cool giftfish!

I've been thinking about doing the same on Vistaprint...might have to wait till next pay day though!

[mythlover20]

@gitfish Really cool! I'd buy the first one! Been thinking about doing that on cafepress too.

Anyway, a quick note before I head of to work (at 4.50 AM grrrrrrrrrrr), off topic but essay related: do you think that the fact that all drell have/are exceedingly succeptible to Kepral's syndrome is a commentary on our own disease ridden population and rising cancer rates?

I don't know, the thought just came to me yesterday while I was taking a break from the essay and writing mappeli's first fic (so turns out that had been a good plan, and it was nice to write something simply for the pleasure of it for a change. ^^)

Considering how metaphorical and referencial the rest of Thane's content is, and hell, the WHOLE of ME2 is, I'm thinking it may indeed be possible.

What do you think?

[mnomaha]

Aello89 wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

No, not so much. Just this and it was a little before they took ME2 off facebook.



http://i187.photobuc...ha/facebook.jpg


I'm not entirely sure it's the same thing.

I did change the pic at the time for a certian period.  Kind of expected that some results would be posted, but as always when university demands your utter devotion, you simply miss such things. Seems something similiar, probably not exactly same...but the gist of it is there.

So they gave us an option only to be removed and made pointless in the end. Since no results were ever published. Though maybe any of you who has twitter could ask Mr. Weeks about it (about the results of the campain)? He might be indulged to say at least something since he's one of developers who at least tries to be honest.

I could be wrong because it has been awhile, but I'm fairly certain it was Patrick Weekes who denied that was every an foreshadowing. At all. Really?

[Renmiri1]

Squeegee83 wrote...

Raikoh110 wrote...

They did walk out on their own story. However, I am happy you told a mod to go suck an egg. I was proud when you told Tully the truth regarding the projects. I felt for the first time that we were truly fighting....

I know what I have done, what I have faced and how I am being treated.Trust me, I get it. I could go into an epically long response, but there is no point to it. Nothing will change, nothing will be done about it and surely no one will fully understand it.

I no longer care if we gain an option to save Thane. I don't care who takes over the campaign and I do not care what anyone thinks about me. I am done. I have given the opportunity, it is now up to others to take advantage of it.

Being a brand new Thanemancer I stand in awe of your dedication. Thanks for keeping up the fight for so long. Rest now, we will keep fighting on, for Thane, for you and all the Thanemancers that had their enjoyment of the game crushed by Bioware's profit mongering ways

[Serenade22]

@mnomaha,
Yes, it was PW who said it.
https://twitter.com/...994048187039744

Then I asked him about the cure campaign, and sent him the fb link, and he never answered to me XD
https://twitter.com/...126334635184129

Days later they deleted the entire fb page, but we still have this on twitter:
https://twitter.com/...979538062577664

@Squee,
You've earned a good rest. It was painful for me too, to see how some people treated you and all thanemancers on twitter, and how they treated your hard work like a joke. I understand you need to rest for a while. I've been thinking on how can we make ourselves heard, because it seems the peaceful way it's not working. It hurts me how a lot of people make proyects, and send gifts, and they are ignored. Yes, maybe they take a picture or two and they tweet about it, but, have they read the book? Our ideas about DLC? Our thoughts and experiences? I think not. I've been thinking on how can we make more noise, and I think I had an idea. I'm still working on it, and thinking on how I can do it, but I think it can work. Squee I will send you a pm soon, I want your opinion about it ^^ And don't be anxious about it the rest of you, it's a surprise!

Finally, I want to introduce you to someone. I've been busy the last few days because of her XD My brother found her in the street a few days ago, she was abandoned and sick. She had an eye infection, probably because she never meet her mother, and nobody cleaned her. We are taking care of her until we found someone who adopt her (my parents don't want pets at home )

This is "Cosita" XD:


I think I'm falling in love:wub:

[Moira-chan]

oooh this cat is soooo adoreable, serenade oooooiiiii

[Emeraldfern]

^
Kitteh! Awww...

I know exactly what you mean, my family has collectively 5 cats, (3 in one residence 2 in another) and all of them were more or less adopted as kittens.

Good luck on treating her eye infection! I had to treat my own cat a couple of months ago, she was grumpy about taking her meds but it worked out in the end.

*Ehem* Excuse my crazy cat-lady moment, so here, have a Ivy x Thane moment:

Modifié par Emeraldfern, 30 juillet 2012 - 10:41 .

[BeanieBat]

Awww!! Serenade, she is adorable!! How can your parents say no to that cute little face?! =P

[earendil87]

Guys I started a new thread with polls about some of the options in the three games to kill/ let die your squadmates. There's a poll about saving Thane, don't miss it! he needs more love!!
Depending on the results of the polls I'll consider using them as a support for the Save Thane campaign

Modifié par earendil87, 30 juillet 2012 - 12:47 .

[Serenade22]

earendil87 wrote...

Guys I started a new thread with polls about some of the options in the three games to kill/ let die your squadmates. There's a poll about saving Thane, don't miss it! he needs more love!!
Depending on the results of the polls I'll consider using them as a support for the Save Thane campaign

Voted <3

[giftfish]

earendil87 wrote...

Guys I started a new thread with polls about some of the options in the three games to kill/ let die your squadmates. There's a poll about saving Thane, don't miss it! he needs more love!!
Depending on the results of the polls I'll consider using them as a support for the Save Thane campaign

Nice!

Also, edit the Thane poll to include the "So, do you think...."  It's the only question that doesn't mention what character you are talking about in the text -- only in the header above the text.

Modifié par giftfish, 30 juillet 2012 - 05:16 .

[coldwetn0se]

@Serenade - Good on you, for taking care of that sweet little kitten......too cute! Also, thank you once again, for keeping those tweets. They are good to have. *wink*

@earendil87 - Voted. Very well done. I wrote out a long(ish) post regarding how many have/will respond to the Thane option. People that don't have to bother with what could have been, often don't. Though I believe ABSOLUTELY that if the choice had been presented from the start (in me3) to save/have Thane die, these same people would be fine with the choice. They would view it no differently than the choices we have been offered through these three games (i.e. Wrex's fate, Samara or Morinth. Quarian/Geth/Peace, ect......). Hindsight in this case is not 20/20.....its is blinded. :/

[RShara]

bluecam, if you're reading this, seriously, don't try to reason with blueprotoss. His logic and literaare simply beyond us mere mortals