15439 réponses à ce sujet

[giftfish]

coldwetn0se wrote...

@Serenade - Good on you, for taking care of that sweet little kitten......too cute! Also, thank you once again, for keeping those tweets. They are good to have. *wink*

@earendil87 - Voted. Very well done. I wrote out a long(ish) post regarding how many have/will respond to the Thane option. People that don't have to bother with what could have been, often don't. Though I believe ABSOLUTELY that if the choice had been presented from the start (in me3) to save/have Thane die, these same people would be fine with the choice. They would view it no differently than the choices we have been offered through these three games (i.e. Wrex's fate, Samara or Morinth. Quarian/Geth/Peace, ect......). Hindsight in this case is not 20/20.....its is blinded. :/

Lol.  I just wrote a book, as well.

[Roxy]

@Serenade22 Aaaw cute kitten,I hope you find a good owner for the lil kitty! And I can't wait to hear about this idea you have! I've been trying to come up with ideas to...like voice my opinion on Vocaroo but I haven't done it yet I feel as if I need to write what I'm going to say otherwise it will be just a big mess! ^^

I've also just come up with this idea where someone with skills on how to make a video gather up all the parts in all 3 games to where we had an option to save/kill every LI and then show how we didn't get that option to save Thane at all in ME 3....then put it on youtube/Facebook etc.! I don't have the skills otherwise I would be doing it lol...I just came up with the idea.

@earendil87 Great polls you put up,Thanks!....oh and VOTED! ♥

Modifié par Roxy, 30 juillet 2012 - 07:02 .

[Twilight_Princess]

That's a good idea! I was also thinking of a collective interview of thanemancers giving their opinions in a video. It would ask them a series of questions and you would just hear their voices but it would also show clips of the ME3 treatment to show how bad it is

For example

Thanemancer 1: "so you haven't seen Thane for 6 months and you spot him in the hospital. What's one of the first things femshep says?"

Clip: I'm here to see Kaiden

Thanemancer 1: "Really? REALLY?"

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 30 juillet 2012 - 07:01 .

[Roxy]

Us voicing our opinion in a video is a very good idea!....hmmm who would be good with doing the questions?
 
Then we could write them down go to vocaroo ..voice it/answer them ...put it in a video?Hmmm *plays with invisible mustache*

I love the idea! I'm in!

If ya'll have other ideas also...spill it girls!

Modifié par Roxy, 30 juillet 2012 - 07:52 .

[Cosmochyck]

earendil87 - I voted on your polls! I have to say, the only question that was even close was an option to save Thane! The rest were all very binary. Figures. gah.

[Moira-chan]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

That's a good idea! I was also thinking of a collective interview of thanemancers giving their opinions in a video. It would ask them a series of questions and you would just hear their voices but it would also show clips of the ME3 treatment to show how bad it is

For example

Thanemancer 1: "so you haven't seen Thane for 6 months and you spot him in the hospital. What's one of the first things femshep says?"

Clip: I'm here to see Kaiden

Thanemancer 1: "Really? REALLY?"

that's an awesome object, really. i would be totally in

[utaker1988]

You know that whole "I'm here to see Kaidan" thing was really unnecessary. The writer who made Thane ask, "what are you doing here" opened up that FemShep stupid response.

Shep: Thane, it's so good to see you. Is that you?
Thane: Of course. Who else would it be?
Shep: I don't know. I've been all over the galaxy and only seen 3 drell. Since my incarceration, I've gotten a lobotomy and forgotten my entire past and any decisions I had made before were changed.
Thane: I'm not following.
Shep: You know they said I killed a bunch of batarians but in reality I IGNORED Hackett's plea for help and didn't bother saving Kenson but they said I did anyway. Here I thought that whole escapade was optional.
Thane: Anyway, what are you doing here?
Shep: Oh you know. I came by to steal the flowers from the dead peeps rooms. Normandy was trashed a bit and I needed a little decor in my cabin.
Thane: So you are not here to see me?
Shep: Yeah and that too.
Thane: Very well. There is a human biotic here in Intensive...
Shep: Yeah, Kaidan. About that. I'm about to tell you that I'm here to see him but I don't really know why. I treated him like crap previously, ignored him but I guess my lobotomy says I MUST care about him now.
Thane: Siha, you are making no sense.
Shep: You don't say. That's been happening a lot lately. You know Mordin is going to cure the Genophage.
Thane: Interesting. I thought it would take years to do that.
Shep: Yeah. Funny story that. Back on Virmire, Ashley Williams shot Wrex who really was a cool krogan so I got a little vindictive and had her guard that nuke. Now Wreav is in charge, I'm afraid that if that cure is released and we defeat the reapers that Wreav will go postal on the entire galaxy for that whole genophage incident. We are spending resources to cure a violent race but a peaceful one such as yours...well, you know sh*t happens.
Thane: This whole incident is troubling.
Shep: So..how much time you have left?
Thane: Could be any day now. Unless some space ninja comes along and I retardedly throw myself on his blade.
Shep: (laughs) A space ninja. A sword. Where do you come up with this stuff?
Thane: Let's say I had a vision.
Shep: Zod has heat vision.
Thane: Huh? What did the Alliance do to you?
Shep: Since you have so little time left... you wanna make out like teenagers.
Thane: Right here in public..that is disturbing.
Shep: (tackles Thane)

[giftfish]

Ah, utaker, how I've missed you....

[wildannie]

@Serenade22 that kitten! sooo cute
@Roxy, that is a really really good idea!! I don't really like recording my voice, but I'll do it for Thane.
@earendil87 good polls, I've voted
@utaker thank you for demonstrating how ridiculous Shep/Thane's romance is in ME3 in such an effective and amusing way (as you always do)

[DineBoo]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

That's a good idea! I was also thinking of a collective interview of thanemancers giving their opinions in a video. It would ask them a series of questions and you would just hear their voices but it would also show clips of the ME3 treatment to show how bad it is

For example

Thanemancer 1: "so you haven't seen Thane for 6 months and you spot him in the hospital. What's one of the first things femshep says?"

Clip: I'm here to see Kaiden

Thanemancer 1: "Really? REALLY?"

That was my reaction and I didn't even romance the guy!

I wanted to talk to Thane about Thane, his son, and everything else but the VS.

Diverging a bit, I have to say I'm tired of others downplaying your opinions and what you wanted for Thane. Ashley fans can protest, Miranda and Jack can protest, Liara fans can protest about stupid blue children, but Thane (and Jacob) must accept what was given to them because they knew what was going to happen. The heck?

There was no way of knowing there was going to be an LI who dies and one who cheats (with baby mama issues!). There was no precident for this. So why must Thane and Jacob fans deal? Plus, of course, this only happens to femShep. So why is it bad that Thane fans protest? 

*sigh* And BW trolling leaves me mad. I can't be a fan who disregards a certain group of fans, trolls them and belitles them.  I think I'm sticking to JRPGs for now on. 

[giftfish]

DineBoo wrote...

Diverging a bit, I have to say I'm tired of others downplaying your opinions and what you wanted for Thane. Ashley fans can protest, Miranda and Jack can protest, Liara fans can protest about stupid blue children, but Thane (and Jacob) must accept what was given to them because they knew what was going to happen. The heck?

There was no way of knowing there was going to be an LI who dies and one who cheats (with baby mama issues!). There was no precident for this. So why must Thane and Jacob fans deal? Plus, of course, this only happens to femShep. So why is it bad that Thane fans protest? 

*sigh* And BW trolling leaves me mad. I can't be a fan who disregards a certain group of fans, trolls them and belitles them.  I think I'm sticking to JRPGs for now on. 

I think I might love you

[wildannie]

DineBoo wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

That's a good idea! I was also thinking of a collective interview of thanemancers giving their opinions in a video. It would ask them a series of questions and you would just hear their voices but it would also show clips of the ME3 treatment to show how bad it is

For example

Thanemancer 1: "so you haven't seen Thane for 6 months and you spot him in the hospital. What's one of the first things femshep says?"

Clip: I'm here to see Kaiden

Thanemancer 1: "Really? REALLY?"

That was my reaction and I didn't even romance the guy!

I wanted to talk to Thane about Thane, his son, and everything else but the VS.

Diverging a bit, I have to say I'm tired of others downplaying your opinions and what you wanted for Thane. Ashley fans can protest, Miranda and Jack can protest, Liara fans can protest about stupid blue children, but Thane (and Jacob) must accept what was given to them because they knew what was going to happen. The heck?

There was no way of knowing there was going to be an LI who dies and one who cheats (with baby mama issues!). There was no precident for this. So why must Thane and Jacob fans deal? Plus, of course, this only happens to femShep. So why is it bad that Thane fans protest? 

*sigh* And BW trolling leaves me mad. I can't be a fan who disregards a certain group of fans, trolls them and belitles them.  I think I'm sticking to JRPGs for now on. 

It's just reflects the core of the problem here, the treatment of Thane and Jacob reflects the level of value they place on their female fans, and many of the 'deal with it' posts are from guys who also don't give a **** about the female fanbase.  It is male chauvanism at best and from some posters it seems more like mysogynism. 

[coldwetn0se]

Cosmochyck wrote...

earendil87 - I voted on your polls! I have to say, the only question that was even close was an option to save Thane! The rest were all very binary. Figures. gah.

And that is exactly the truth of it......no one has a problem doing the "paragon" thing of saving squaddies, races, when a choice was given to them to begin with.  This is why these polls to me are already askewed by those that vote.  BW wants to believe that they did the right thing with Thane, and can use such placations from those that didn't have a problem with Thane's outcome.  But the proof is in the pudding......the fact that most will save races, squaddies, random NPC's means that if that choice was present from the beginning, you would not have people seem so apathetic (at best) to those that wanted a choice.  Or in some cases, downright hostile.  They feel the need to defend WHY they liked it, but a choice (logically speaking) wouldn't have negated that possibility.  However, they might believe they would have to "justify" why they might choose to let Thane die, had the choice been made available......which is ridiculous; I couldn't give a fig what someone else wants to do in their play through.  And many others like having these choices available for replayability. 

Take @utaker's lovely ladies....she had one that DID kill Kaidan, she had another (Malifecent, I believe) kill everyone during the SM but Thane and Morinth.....and she obviously chose Morinth over Samara in that run as well.  Then, of course, she had her goody Paragon who (I believe) saved all (well, not sure if utaker took her through me3, so the VS, and Geth/Quarians, were still up in the air.....but I think you all get my point...heh!).  @Cosmochyk (I think it was her) had a run that gave her the qualifications needed to save Mordin, so she chose to.  Love this aspect.... of these games!!

Anyway......nice post @giftfish in @earendil's Thread.

Oh, and @Utaker - I have soooooo missed your dialogues! 

[RShara]

You should put in a poll about, "If there was an option to save Thane, would you take it or let him die?"

[Twilight_Princess]

Roxy wrote...

Us voicing our opinion in a video is a very good idea!....hmmm who would be good with doing the questions?
 
Then we could write them down go to vocaroo ..voice it/answer them ...put it in a video?Hmmm *plays with invisible mustache*

I love the idea! I'm in!

If ya'll have other ideas also...spill it girls!

I thought of it after watching a video of a bunch of fans voicing thier reasons why the original ending ruined things for them and let them down. It's one thing reading complaints but HEARING how disappointed the fans were added a human element. I'd love to work on a project like that since I enjoy making videos! Also getting supportive male players to voice their displeasure will also help too.

[wildannie]

whoops, getting myself mixed up! @BOTH roxy and hyrule_gal - good ideas for new initiatives... @Hyrule_Gal - I would take part

[mnomaha]

I'm still waiting for...damn my memory...that video that that awesome person was doing...the documentary type video...

I really need something like that and my plans are halted until some incredibly talened person produces one.

[Emeraldfern]

ParagonOfPeace I think?

I haven't seen her around for awhile though...

*Sigh* If I only knew video/audio-editing properly (and had proper equipment for it) but alas....

[mnomaha]

Yes! That was her!

I haven't seen Aislinn either.

[krukow]

So I'm doing a replay of ME2, and I've always heard about how a cure is hinted at, but I've never noticed them. Could somebody tell me where they are in the game so I can look for them?

[Visii]

When talking to Thane on the Normandy, right after recruiting him, you can talk to him about Keprals. He says that the Hanar are working on a cure and that they SHOULD be able to adapt them (the Drell). Thane just says that he doesn't expect he'll live long enough to see the cure.

The other Cure/Treatment mentions come via LotSB and the Cerberus Daily Network. In Thane's shadow broker dossier, a medical report allegedly penned shortly after Thane was recruited, Chakwas stated the degree of the diseases' progression, and that Thane is a viable transplant candidate, though he refused is. Seeing as this report was made before he was romanced/reunited with Kolyat, it is not absurd to assume that, now having people to live for, he might consider a transplant that would extend his life ( so he WOULD live long enough to be eligible for the Hanar cure).

In the CDN, there was an article about a "medigel for the lungs" that would be able to preform micro-surgery, that would revolutionize healing and surgical procedures. There was also an article about some other kind of device- I forget the name of it, perhaps someone else would chime in. With either of these devices, this information was of little interest or use to the majority of the fanbase, except Thane fans. They both had the potential to extend Thane's life, again, so that the forementioned Hanar cure might become available.

Hell, even if the Hanar cure wasn't finished in game in ME3, if Thane had just made it through ME3, it would have been enough for most of us. There would have been enough for us to fill in the blanks. Jack/Miranda treatment would have been a godsend compared to what we got.

Modifié par Visii, 31 juillet 2012 - 12:04 .

[Emeraldfern]

One is mentioned by himself in a dialogue:

Shepard: (Why can't it be cured?) Can't they do something about that?

Thane: The Hanar have funded a genetic engineering program. They should be able to adapt us. The project has only been running for a few years. I don't believe my body will still draw breath by the time it bears fruit.

(Note: Whereas details are not given in the above, at that point a breakthrough is just as plausible as curing the genophage which in ME2 is in Mordin's words "years off")

And this from the CDN (Cerberus Daily News):

07/13/2010 - Eupulmos Device Helping Victims of Respiratory Diseases
“A new technology is helping victims of the Vallum Blast breathe easier -- literally. Researchers at U. Thierax are attacking the myriad of respiratory diseases caused by inhaling dust around the blast site. Dubbed "medi-gel for the lungs," the Eupulmos Device analyzes a patient's tissue or medicard record before adjusting its virally-delivered superdrugs to match the patient's genetic predispositions. After that, the mister sprays the aerosol into the patient's nasal passages and the drug is absorbed into the lungs. The mister can also deliver microsurgery machines to make non-invasive repairs to tissue and has a color-coded nozzle at each end with separate agent reservoirs for dextro and levo patients. Said one ER staffer, "The effect is incredible. In a year, the whole galaxy will be using these things."”

And then there's the lung-transplant mentioned in the Medical dossier in LoTSB.

Personally, the more I think about it the more silly it gets that neither of the above treatments are ever mentioned in ME3. Combine all three, and it's not that unplausible.

[Edit] What Visii said
[Edit 2] Just posted the CDN article istead of linking it.

Modifié par Emeraldfern, 31 juillet 2012 - 12:07 .

[RShara]

krukow:
Only one of the hints was in the main game.

1. ME2: When you ask Thane about his disease, he tells you it's being "taken care of" and that the hanar are working on a cure. He just doubts that he'll be around long enough to see it.

2. Cerberus Daily News: Someone has the quote/screenshot around here, but it was basically that some scientists had developed some medigel that could be inhaled and delivered to the lungs, and that it was revolutionary for asthma sufferers and the like.

3. Lair of the Shadow Broker: In Thane's dossier, you see that he's eligible for a lung transplant, but rejected the offer.

[RShara]

triple ninja'd

[mnomaha]

And how about the couple that bioware themselves started? The ones I don't have access to here at work. But they exist!