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After Irikah died, Thane says that he went freelance. He killed those who deserved to die, and rid the galaxy of evils. I always thought that Seryna merely assumed that Thane was hired by an employer but wasn't certain herself:

1. Because of Thane's reputation as one of the galaxy's most dangerous assassins, she would assume that he was hired.

2. Because Thane said himself that a lot of people wanted Nassana killed.

3. Nassana was an evil woman, in ME1 she gave Shepard a mission to kill her sister so Nassana could further her own ambitions.

4. It is unlikely that anyone knew that Thane had become a freelancer after Irikah's death, as he never talked about it to anyone before Shepard.

So I don't believe he was contracted to kill Nassana, I just think Seryna thought he was.

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Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

After Irikah died, Thane says that he went freelance. He killed those who deserved to die, and rid the galaxy of evils. I always thought that Seryna merely assumed that Thane was hired by an employer but wasn't certain herself:

1. Because of Thane's reputation as one of the galaxy's most dangerous assassins, she would assume that he was hired.

2. Because Thane said himself that a lot of people wanted Nassana killed.

3. Nassana was an evil woman, in ME1 she gave Shepard a mission to kill her sister so Nassana could further her own ambitions.

4. It is unlikely that anyone knew that Thane had become a freelancer after Irikah's death, as he never talked about it to anyone before Shepard.

So I don't believe he was contracted to kill Nassana, I just think Seryna thought he was.

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I think you have it a bit mixed up:

Thane freelanced after marrying Irikah. "When I married Irikah, the Hanar released me from their service so I could raise a family. But I had no other skills, so I freelanced." After she was killed, he hunted down those responsible, a quest that took ten years. "Once I'd elimnated them I had no goal. I accepted the Dantius comission because I didn't know what else to do."

1) There are two conversations with Seryna each with the option to investigate certain things said for further clarification. While Thane's neck-snapping reputation might preceed him, when asked directly if she knows anything else about Thane, Seryna replies, "He said he's not doing it for the money. Nobody hired him." She can assume all she likes, but she has put words into his mouth.

2) A lot of people did want Nasanna killed. But if Thane decided to consciously hunt down and kill Nassana, even for the good of Illium and the rest of the galaxy, that's an active decision on his part, the gun making a decision all its own. That means that his own perception as his body as a weapon and his soul being free of any emotional entanglements due to his body's actions is broken, if someone DIDN'T hire him. Now, the problem isn't Thane- Thane during later conversations calls it a job, a comission, he acts like someone hired him, and it's fine. He consistently acts as though he was hired. Seryna's dialogue, a single line of dialogue before we meet Thane flies in the face of what we learn about him after the fact, right after Nassana's death and later, on the Normandy.

3) If you remember from ME1, Nassana hires you under false pretenses to go save her kidnapped sister, but it turns out her sister was a slaver and Nassana wanted her taken care of before wind of it reached the Citidel and others and ruined her career. Her sister was a slaver. A SLAVER. Her sister wasn't some innocent that Nassana tricked you into taking out preemptively. It was deceitful on Nassana's part, but her sister wasn't exactly one that one could empathize with. You can understand why Nassana wanted her dealt with, and can even sympathize with her situation. Given the... lax morals and rules regarding indentured servitude on Illium, Nassana's sister's occupation can be seen as even more distasteful, to both the player and Nassana. I don't know why Nassana took the evil/crazy pills in Mass Effect Two, because she really wasn't that bad in ME1. Any other random person could have served as Thane's target, the ME team must have just been determined to bring together as many "Hey Remember Me" Characters in one square mile as possible.

4) All signs from Thane point towards his having taking on the job. Right after having neck-snapped his way through the merc-guards and Nassana, while speaking with Shepard, he states that "This was to be my last job". He calls the Dantius assignment a commission. He goes on to state that Irikah's killers were the only ones on his conscience because he made the decision to hunt them down and torture them by himself- no one gave him a job to do so. But he does not mention Nassana along with them- as he would/should have even if he didn't let her suffer, provided he made the decision to kill her own his own. Again, Thane as a character is in the clear, he acted consistently.

Seryna is the issue. She puts forth the information that directly conflicts with everything else the player will later learn about Thane, from Thane. There is far more evidence on Thane's side, so we must believe him over her. Has to be a mistake on Bioware's part. While it's easy to go: wow, Nassana's so damn evil that an assassin will do it for PHREE, considering that assassin is a drell with a very particular personal "code", it doesn't work because of Thane's character.

The only reason this is an issue, is because Thane clearly makes the distinction between actions on his part and actions made by his body, and that the actions made by his body have no bearing on his soul. Irikah's killers = the only ones he ever made the conscious decision to kill. If Seryna was telling the truth, then Nassana would have to be added to that group.

Modifié par Asenza, 12 septembre 2011 - 09:43 .


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Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Feron is in ME3. One of the developers tweeted something about his voice actor doing a session.

yesssssssssssssssssss............!!!!!!!

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But after Irikah's death, he was still a freelancer, and wasn't in employment by the hanar. He hunted down the batarians responsible, which is what I meant when I said he was ridding the galaxy of evils. i.e not being contracted for killing others.

The Salarian workers all tell you about Nassana's reputation. It is entirely plausible that Thane killed her out of his own intuition. Yes, her sister was a slaver, the point I was making with the ME1 reference was that Nassana is ruthless, and, with good reason, many people sought her death; hence the paranoia.

I imagine that freelancing as an assassin could involve contacts giving him suggestions, information and prompts on who to kill. Like when there was the 'cleanup' on the Citadel that Bailey mentioned. They were all nasty people, and I believe that emptying the world of their presence was something Thane needed to do while he was disconnected. 'I have taken many evil things out of the galaxy. But you are the only good thing I ever added to it.' To Kolyat.

Nassana could have been one of those tips. And Thane thought it was a suicide mission. The Dantius tower was known for being impenetrable, even the workers there were hunted down and killed. I can't imagine this choice being the result of a contracted assassination from an employer. My information is sound, it seems we have just received different perceptions from the same game.

Thane was in the period of his life where he had become disconnected while assassinating Nassana. This explains why his philosophy that his employers are the killers, and not him is justified. As he explains, his soul is disconnected from his body. And I believe that at this point - as he showed by how he lingered on the death of the batarians - that his former morals had dwindled, and were replaced by rage.

Modifié par Tasha vas Nar Rayya, 12 septembre 2011 - 11:09 .


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Kathleen321 wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Feron is in ME3. One of the developers tweeted something about his voice actor doing a session.

yesssssssssssssssssss............!!!!!!!


where is this tweet

who is the developer

why is there no linky proofy

I ARE DYING HERE

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Tweet

According to this, Yuri is known to have voiced Feron in ME2, so chances are that's who he's voicing for ME3.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 13 septembre 2011 - 07:59 .


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That link appears to be broken.

The other issue is that Yuri voiced many, very minor characters all over, including Jenkins back in ME1. He really can be voicing just anyone as he usually does, but fingers crossed he's doing something for Feron.

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<3 love

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Lucky Thirteen wrote...

That link appears to be broken.

The other issue is that Yuri voiced many, very minor characters all over, including Jenkins back in ME1. He really can be voicing just anyone as he usually does, but fingers crossed he's doing something for Feron.

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<3 love

:devil: must repost this lovely abomination. MUAHAHAHAH :D 

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The link works for me, LT. Anyway, here is what it says (assuming you're referring to the tweet):

In the booth with @YuriLowenthal - one of my favourites. Any guesses who he's playing?

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See, now that's more convincing Feron is involved.

"Guesses who he's playing."

<3

edit: this time the link worked when I clicked on it. Thanks!

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I WANT MY SKITTLES!

Modifié par Lucky Thirteen, 13 septembre 2011 - 07:01 .


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Feron: Taste the rainbow.

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 iReally loved Thane's in ME2 <3<3
The thing that makes me want to slap Bioware though is , to creat such a sexy drell ,
then be like " Oh hey lookie here were gonna have him die". Not cool :crying::crying:
Thane is such an interesting guy. They really shouldn't cut him off. I mean I know everyone
donsn't want them to magically make a cure for him, But I mean I wouldnt mind since I really love Thane.
I mean..who cant love that ass grabber? :innocent:
He should most definitely be a full time squadie.<3
But I guess we'll have to hope Bioware has a nice heart and have Thane stay. No Cure, or cure.
He really better not die in it though. Ill unleash some neck snapping on them :D

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LiveLoveThaneKrios wrote...

 iReally loved Thane's in ME2 <3<3
The thing that makes me want to slap Bioware though is , to creat such a sexy drell ,
then be like " Oh hey lookie here were gonna have him die". Not cool :crying::crying:
Thane is such an interesting guy. They really shouldn't cut him off. I mean I know everyone
donsn't want them to magically make a cure for him, But I mean I wouldnt mind since I really love Thane.
I mean..who cant love that ass grabber? :innocent:
He should most definitely be a full time squadie.<3
But I guess we'll have to hope Bioware has a nice heart and have Thane stay. No Cure, or cure.
He really better not die in it though. Ill unleash some neck snapping on them :D

I know how you feel.  A lot of us here are hoping to help Thane in ME3 whether it be cure, treatment, or something else.  Until Bioware spills more information on Thane's status in ME3 all we can do is hope for the best, and that if we want to keep Thane Bioware will let us do so. 

@LuckyThirteen:
I take it you're more of a Feron fan?  :lol:

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LT is a fan of any drell. By default. :lol:

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Enmystic wrote...

LiveLoveThaneKrios wrote...

 iReally loved Thane's in ME2 <3<3
The thing that makes me want to slap Bioware though is , to creat such a sexy drell ,
then be like " Oh hey lookie here were gonna have him die". Not cool :crying::crying:
Thane is such an interesting guy. They really shouldn't cut him off. I mean I know everyone
donsn't want them to magically make a cure for him, But I mean I wouldnt mind since I really love Thane.
I mean..who cant love that ass grabber? :innocent:
He should most definitely be a full time squadie.<3
But I guess we'll have to hope Bioware has a nice heart and have Thane stay. No Cure, or cure.
He really better not die in it though. Ill unleash some neck snapping on them :D

I know how you feel.  A lot of us here are hoping to help Thane in ME3 whether it be cure, treatment, or something else.  Until Bioware spills more information on Thane's status in ME3 all we can do is hope for the best, and that if we want to keep Thane Bioware will let us do so. 

@LuckyThirteen:
I take it you're more of a Feron fan?  :lol:


I also feel the same way!  Thane has depth, speaks well :wub: and is definitely my fave from ME2.  I hope they at least bring him back (agreed with cure or no cure) so the love can continue - even if Shep has to deal with him dying :crying:.  It's better than no Thane at all!

And mmmm, drell...*wipes drool*

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Casey Hudson has said in one of the Q&As that "if you care about them, they're back." All romances will have a final resolution, but whether that is good or bad, well... I'd actually rather wait until March than have anything spoiled.
A few points to consider:
1.Bioware created Thane, in part, to appeal to women, a growing part of their fanbase. By having his death set in stone, that would pretty much be a slap in the face to those women (and men) who got attached to a character because they were expected to. That's the way to get new fans, Bioware. Make them rage.

2. A few months ago there was a huge response to the "support a cure for Thane" post Mass Effect had on facebook. People changed their profile pictures to one of Thane (well, I didn't, but lots of others did) and it was pretty much all pro-cure across the board. Sure, you'll always get the "Thane has to die because it would be stupid if he lived" people, but they were the minority. They obviously didn't dig deep enough into the character to realize that it would be equally as stupid if he died, depending on how you look at it.

Having said that, though, I DO understand those that say Thane should die. I don't agree, but I understand. I expect death to be the "default" story for Thane, but for those of us who put in a little more time and effort, things should work out.

If not, one of my Sheps will ragequit and doom the galaxy.

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Enmystic wrote...

@LuckyThirteen:
I take it you're more of a Feron fan?



No, I just have full confidence that Thane will be back. He is a major character after all and as Shepenwepet pointed out, Bioware put too much work into him to drop him and there's been plenty of positive fan response. Feron is more minor. Though he is involved with some major stuff, his part of the story can be pretty much done and he can be dropped. So I fear him not returning more than Thane. Even if he has only a few spoken lines in a little cameo, I'll be extremely happy for the skittles princess that I rescued from the claws of the evil Bowser wannabe.

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LT is a fan of any drell. By default.


I cannot deny. When I first saw Thane I thought, ew frog man. Why would they think that is a good idea for a romance.

Now I have a fiction fetish for the frog men. I made my own OC, a detective drell named Sariel.


As for Thane possibly dying, I've said this a ton in the past but I'll just keep repeating myself cause new people seem to join all the time. I would love for him to have a cure, I put my Rylie in that cure for Thane banner after all. It's the realistic lover side of me would rather not have a magic cure. If he dies I won't be entirely heartbroken. As long as he goes out in flames and glory.

I disagree that his illness and a possible death is what makes him interesting and defines him. You remove those things and he would remain the same. It's the rest of his history, experience, and just his nature that makes him who he is. He is responding to the illness, it is not a key component to his character.

Also, I hope he does not only live because he is in a romance. There are many fans out there who love Thane and created a Shepard(male or female) who is really good friends with him. I don't like the idea of the only way to save a certain character is to be knocking uglies in bed with them.

Modifié par Lucky Thirteen, 14 septembre 2011 - 02:28 .


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The fact of Thane's dying was actually one of the aspects I found intriguing. It is a part of what makes his character unique... and to have the only terminally ill character in the series miraculously cured would seem too... everybody lives happily ever after. I hate those endings.

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Just popping in to show some support for Thane, one of my favourite characters in the Mass Effect universe. I developed quite a friendship with him and I hope it continues because I wouldn't mind having him and Wrex team up for a mission haha.

Cheers!

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Moghedia wrote...

The fact of Thane's dying was actually one of the aspects I found intriguing. It is a part of what makes his character unique... and to have the only terminally ill character in the series miraculously cured would seem too... everybody lives happily ever after. I hate those endings.


By that same tolken you could say Tali's only unique because of her weak immue system. So Thane dies because someone saw fit to build him with a terminal illness (in addition to his already tragic and troubled past), but every other LI lives happily ever after? Why is Thane the one that gets singled out? Just saying SOMEONE needs to suffer isn't good enough.

Again, it wouldn't be a miraculous cure. A miraculous cure would be, I don't know... Shepard being ressurectured from total death with mind and memories completely restored, DESPITE the fact that reactivating Shepard's brain would have been the most taxing part of the Lazarus project, the only truly "Impossible" part about the whole project.

Unlike Shepard and the Lazarus handwave, Thane and Kepral's syndrome is something that is actively being studied with the goal of curing it. In addition, there is a lot of in-game mentions of medical advancements that could potentially either cure Thane or tide him over until the Hanar cure his condition.

When something like an illness, when information and possible methods of treatment is mentioned and made a fact in the game universe, utilizing said information and experimental methods of treatment is not miraculous. Miraculous would be a god decending from the skies, touching Thane's forehead and curing him.

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Shepenwepet wrote...

Casey Hudson has said in one of the Q&As that "if you care about them, they're back." All romances will have a final resolution, but whether that is good or bad, well... I'd actually rather wait until March than have anything spoiled.
A few points to consider:
1.Bioware created Thane, in part, to appeal to women, a growing part of their fanbase. By having his death set in stone, that would pretty much be a slap in the face to those women (and men) who got attached to a character because they were expected to. That's the way to get new fans, Bioware. Make them rage.

2. A few months ago there was a huge response to the "support a cure for Thane" post Mass Effect had on facebook. People changed their profile pictures to one of Thane (well, I didn't, but lots of others did) and it was pretty much all pro-cure across the board. Sure, you'll always get the "Thane has to die because it would be stupid if he lived" people, but they were the minority. They obviously didn't dig deep enough into the character to realize that it would be equally as stupid if he died, depending on how you look at it.

Having said that, though, I DO understand those that say Thane should die. I don't agree, but I understand. I expect death to be the "default" story for Thane, but for those of us who put in a little more time and effort, things should work out.

If not, one of my Sheps will ragequit and doom the galaxy.


Ok I seriously just laughed out loud.  I agree that there should be options for Thane, not just "he lives" or "he dies" - if everything we "choose" is impacting future choice, then I think that having an option only makes sense.  
And who knew that Thane would be so awesome?  For me it was the voice that sold him initally - Garrus I love as a character, but friend character.  And Jacob just irritated me.  cocky sounding and always with the "commander".  Blech.  

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Lucky Thirteen wrote...

Also, I hope he does not only live because he is in a romance. There are many fans out there who love Thane and created a Shepard(male or female) who is really good friends with him. I don't like the idea of the only way to save a certain character is to be knocking uglies in bed with them.


+1. There are many more Mansheps than Femsheps, and then there's the Garrus Fangirl Army. Just because your Shep didn't/couldn't throw him/herself at Thane shouldn't determine his fate. All mansheps by default wouldn't be able to save Thane, and that's just nasty. Thane has just as much a reason to fight his illness if he's not romanced. He has Kolyat, he has Shepard, his only real friend in years, and he has a galaxy to help save.

Disloyal Thane? He'll die. He's practically dead already. I'd never reloaded a game so fast.

Cosmochyck wrote...


And who knew that Thane would be so awesome?


Bioware knew. Hopefully.

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Shepenwepet wrote...

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

Also, I hope he does not only live because he is in a romance. There are many fans out there who love Thane and created a Shepard(male or female) who is really good friends with him. I don't like the idea of the only way to save a certain character is to be knocking uglies in bed with them.


+1. There are many more Mansheps than Femsheps, and then there's the Garrus Fangirl Army. Just because your Shep didn't/couldn't throw him/herself at Thane shouldn't determine his fate. All mansheps by default wouldn't be able to save Thane, and that's just nasty. Thane has just as much a reason to fight his illness if he's not romanced. He has Kolyat, he has Shepard, his only real friend in years, and he has a galaxy to help save.

Disloyal Thane? He'll die. He's practically dead already. I'd never reloaded a game so fast.

Cosmochyck wrote...


And who knew that Thane would be so awesome?


Bioware knew. Hopefully.


Totally agree - he shouldn't be "saved" only because he's a potential LI.   He's just a great character/friend for Shep.

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Shepenwepet wrote...

Casey Hudson has said in one of the Q&As that "if you care about them, they're back." All romances will have a final resolution, but whether that is good or bad, well... I'd actually rather wait until March than have anything spoiled.
A few points to consider:
1.Bioware created Thane, in part, to appeal to women, a growing part of their fanbase. By having his death set in stone, that would pretty much be a slap in the face to those women (and men) who got attached to a character because they were expected to. That's the way to get new fans, Bioware. Make them rage.

2. A few months ago there was a huge response to the "support a cure for Thane" post Mass Effect had on facebook. People changed their profile pictures to one of Thane (well, I didn't, but lots of others did) and it was pretty much all pro-cure across the board. Sure, you'll always get the "Thane has to die because it would be stupid if he lived" people, but they were the minority. They obviously didn't dig deep enough into the character to realize that it would be equally as stupid if he died, depending on how you look at it.

Having said that, though, I DO understand those that say Thane should die. I don't agree, but I understand. I expect death to be the "default" story for Thane, but for those of us who put in a little more time and effort, things should work out.

If not, one of my Sheps will ragequit and doom the galaxy.

Yep if Thane dies my shep will doom the galaxy. She cares about him more then everyone else ... uh oh. 

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@Asenza very well said, in the context of the ME universe, no cure for Thane is much more difficult to believe. I explain it in my head as being because drell are so rare and not much effort has been put in to a cure apart from by the Hanar. I really hope that he's cured... preferably by Mordin.