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[Cosmochyck]

wildannie wrote...

@Asenza very well said, in the context of the ME universe, no cure for Thane is much more difficult to believe. I explain it in my head as being because drell are so rare and not much effort has been put in to a cure apart from by the Hanar. I really hope that he's cured... preferably by Mordin.

That is an excellent point - why bother mentioning that the hanar have been researching it? 
Dare I get my hopes up for a life filled with Thane??  And drell in general?? 

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

When I first played the game, I deduced that Thane would not die in ME2 because he said he still had 8-12 months. So I wasn't too upset by it.

However, I assumed that in the context of the Mass Effect universe, that in ME3, there will be some way to cure Thane. And compared to Shepard's ressurrection, I don't think that curing him, cybernetically implanting him or prolonging is life in any way will be 'unrealistic' or 'magically make it all better.'

I mean, let's remember some of the more inrealistic things that have happened in the Mass Effect series: Travelling instantaneously to another solar system, having a human who is completely gentically modified from one parent, an element that gives organisms telekinetic power, a plant that controls people's minds, creating robots that become sentient, having true AI's, vehicles and armour that is able to withstand outstanding pressures and temperatures on various planets (seriously, look at the stats of some planets you can land on O.O.)

So, I don't think it is entirely unfeasible for us to have Thane alive and well in ME3, someway or another. And I think a Mordin mission (maybe before he gives in to old age) would be really good. Perhaps Mordin asks if he can do Shepard one more service before he passes away, and Shepard can ask him a variety of boons, with curing Thane being one of them.

[Amber]

Hey, been creepily lurking. Didn't the LotSB files indicate that Thane was a candidate for transplant but had declined? So Shep gives him something to live for, and he gets the transplant and BAM cured. And built into continuity.

[Cosmochyck]

Amber wrote...

Hey, been creepily lurking. Didn't the LotSB files indicate that Thane was a candidate for transplant but had declined? So Shep gives him something to live for, and he gets the transplant and BAM cured. And built into continuity.

I was just thinking the same thing!

[JECWSU]

wildannie wrote...

@Asenza very well said, in the context of the ME universe, no cure for Thane is much more difficult to believe. I explain it in my head as being because drell are so rare and not much effort has been put in to a cure apart from by the Hanar. I really hope that he's cured... preferably by Mordin.

That is probably the only explanation that makes sense. They already did th impossible by bringing Shepard back  after two years of being dead. I would find it much more unbelievable that they couldn't cure him in a universe where you can bring someone back to life.

[Lucky Thirteen]

The problem is surgery like that will take some time to adjust and heal from. So perhaps after ME3 and the Reapers are dealt with?

Shepard was brought back to life, but it took two years after all. It wasn't instant.

[Kathleen321]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

When I first played the game, I deduced that Thane would not die in ME2 because he said he still had 8-12 months. So I wasn't too upset by it.

However, I assumed that in the context of the Mass Effect universe, that in ME3, there will be some way to cure Thane. And compared to Shepard's ressurrection, I don't think that curing him, cybernetically implanting him or prolonging is life in any way will be 'unrealistic' or 'magically make it all better.'

I mean, let's remember some of the more inrealistic things that have happened in the Mass Effect series: Travelling instantaneously to another solar system, having a human who is completely gentically modified from one parent, an element that gives organisms telekinetic power, a plant that controls people's minds, creating robots that become sentient, having true AI's, vehicles and armour that is able to withstand outstanding pressures and temperatures on various planets (seriously, look at the stats of some planets you can land on O.O.)

So, I don't think it is entirely unfeasible for us to have Thane alive and well in ME3, someway or another. And I think a Mordin mission (maybe before he gives in to old age) would be really good. Perhaps Mordin asks if he can do Shepard one more service before he passes away, and Shepard can ask him a variety of boons, with curing Thane being one of them.

I agree. There are so many tools in Shepard's belt (to use a horrible cliche) that she can use to cure Thane. 
1. Lazarous project- her body is a miracle of cybernetics. Drell anatomy is different, but surely ths research can be used to bring functionality to his lungs or a cloned lung. 
2. Mordin- he is a genius- one of the smartest scientists/doctors in the entire galaxy. He was able to create a cure for the plague on Omega in a matter of months am I right?Not sure about the time frame, but still, that is impressive.
3. Research from collector vessel- if anyone knows about gentetic manipulation it's the Collectors. Shepard has records of their gentetic research which may be a groundbreaking tool in understanding genetic modification. 
4. The Hanar already working on this project- Shepard can join up with them and they can share resources! 

I've thought about this a lot for my fanfiction. There is a very large chance that with these resources Shepard can find a cure!! 

[JECWSU]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

The problem is surgery like that will take some time to adjust and heal from. So perhaps after ME3 and the Reapers are dealt with?

Shepard was brought back to life, but it took two years after all. It wasn't instant.

I'm not looking for instant. If they do allow us to somehow cure him I don't expect it to be easy. I just think that they shouldn't have been able to bring a dead person back to life at all, but they did. Even though it took two years they still did it. A cure for Thane, or some way to prolong his life shouldn't be that hard for them.

Modifié par JECWSU, 14 septembre 2011 - 11:53 .

[Lucky Thirteen]

I've always felt that the reason Thane refused to get a lung transplant was because he wanted to give that chance to someone else. He was being selfless. There aren't many drell, there aren't many with healthy lungs who are dying and donating.

I imagine any cure or life prolonging fix would be rare, expensive, and difficult. How would you guys and gals feel if he continues to refuse because he wants to continue sacrifice himself for the rest of his species?

Also, what if Kolyat begins to show early signs of the condition? What if Thane wants it to go to his son?

Modifié par Lucky Thirteen, 15 septembre 2011 - 12:46 .

[Plakto]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

I've always felt that the reason Thane refused to get a lung transplant was because he wanted to give that chance to someone else. He was being selfless. There aren't many drell, there aren't many with healthy lungs who are dying and donating.

I imagine any cure or life prolonging fix would be rare, expensive, and difficult. How would you guys and gals feel if he continues to refuse because he wants to continue sacrifice himself for the rest of his species?

Also, what if Kolyat begins to show early signs of the condition? What if Thane wants it to go to his son?

Plakto here. I only pop every once in a while. How you doing? To answer your questions.

How would you guys and gals feel if he continues to refuse because he
wants to continue sacrifice himself for the rest of his species?

I'm a little lost here. That sentence is making very little sense. Thane sacrificing himself for the life of the rest of his species? Does that carry some contagious disease that spreads to the rest of his species in contact? He needs to die to save them? No. Kerpals is an environmental disease. You get it if you are biologically native to one place and are forced to exist in an environment that's alien and determental to you health. Think Jacobs mission where if humans ate the flora and fauna on that planet their brain would degenerate even if you decontimated the food. But back on target, thane does not need to die to save his species. Thane refused the transplat because he was unworthy of it. He thinks pretty badly of himself, being unable to save his wife and his disconnection with his son. Its hinted in his personality that he regrets much of his life in his loyalty mission with what he left Koylat ("a relic of his ill spent life"). Bottom line. He rejected the potential cure because his personal life had failed and soon he would be killed by his disease therby atone for his "sins"(romance scene). He was just being a martyr. The rest of the drell species had nothing to do with his decision. I think that a thane that succeeded in his loyalty mission and reconnected with his son and felt shepard to love could readily be convinced that dying dosen't absolve anyone of anything. If he wanted to be a better husband and father he can try to be one now that he's been given a  second chance.

Also, what if Kolyat begins to show early signs of the condition? What if Thane wants it to go to his son?

You only get kerpals by living on kagye or places with abnormal levels of moisture. Koyalt hasn't been on kahje in a long time, thane didn't know about it until his loyalty mission where he could finally track him on the citadel long enough to stop him. But for arguments sake lets say he does show early signs of the condition. He won;t die in six months. Thane has had the disease for years, YEARS - and even in ME2 time frame it isn't that bad yet (shep in LOTsB), the time frame he gives of 6-12 months is before it gets really bad and he may start feelign the effects of his condition, not until he keels over and dies. But point is that they have time to find another successful transplat or make one with cybernetics. They won't be any need to chose saving thane and saving his son.

[Enmystic]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

I've always felt that the reason Thane refused to get a lung transplant was because he wanted to give that chance to someone else. He was being selfless. There aren't many drell, there aren't many with healthy lungs who are dying and donating.

I imagine any cure or life prolonging fix would be rare, expensive, and difficult. How would you guys and gals feel if he continues to refuse because he wants to continue sacrifice himself for the rest of his species?

Also, what if Kolyat begins to show early signs of the condition? What if Thane wants it to go to his son?

Darn it, ninja'd by Plakto.  Crafty wo/man.
Adding to it anyway.

I always thought that Thane refused the transplant because he wanted to die.   

If you fail Thane's loyalty mission he won't turn back from it.  However, suceeding in Thane's loyalty mission along with just talking with the guy gives Thane a sense that he still has something to live for.  He has Shepard and he's back in contact with his son.  If Thane has a reason to live, unless he takes issue with the method, I don't see why he would reject a transplant/treatment/cure. 

I doubt Kolyat will develop Kepral's.  Unless he's been exposing himself to humid climate offscreen I don't see that happening.  From what information we are given Kepral's isn't genetic.

[Verly]

nice conversation everyone is having here. I also agree that NOT finding a cure sounds more unlikely then for Thane to just die when he has things to live for now.

spamming with new pictures of Thane and my femshep Penny as well.

[Kathleen321]

Will a transplant cure the disease though? I don't think so- the problem has probably affected more then his lungs. I think the transplant only offsets the disease by a few months before it begins to affect him again. The transplant in my opinion is not the panacea, it is necessary, but only one step to solving the real issue.

[Asenza]

Kathleen321 wrote...

Will a transplant cure the disease though? I don't think so- the problem has probably affected more then his lungs. I think the transplant only offsets the disease by a few months before it begins to affect him again. The transplant in my opinion is not the panacea, it is necessary, but only one step to solving the real issue.

As long as whatever treatment he gets tides him over until the Hanar can cure his condition will suit just fine. Again, they have a lot of options with this- they don't have to cure him outright- they can just make him comfortable and stable until a cure is found.

[JECWSU]

Asenza wrote...

Kathleen321 wrote...

Will a transplant cure the disease though? I don't think so- the problem has probably affected more then his lungs. I think the transplant only offsets the disease by a few months before it begins to affect him again. The transplant in my opinion is not the panacea, it is necessary, but only one step to solving the real issue.

As long as whatever treatment he gets tides him over until the Hanar can cure his condition will suit just fine. Again, they have a lot of options with this- they don't have to cure him outright- they can just make him comfortable and stable until a cure is found.

The transplant was never the cure. It was just a way to prolong his life a little. Plus the game never says exactly how much time a transplant would give him.

I can't remember if the game tells you how far along the hanar are in their efforts to find a cure.

[wildannie]

 I would prefer an effective treatment to the transplant option.  If not Mordin, the Eupulmos Device mentioned in Cerberus Daily News (July 13th 2010).  

www.cerberusdailynews.com/2010/07/page/2/

Modifié par wildannie, 15 septembre 2011 - 06:48 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I talked to Hedgepath one time about the possibility and viability of a lung transplant, and she doesn't think it could work. It sounds as if the genetic material has to match up perfectly, and if a lung was transplanted, then it would be a life threatening ordeal and Thane would be incapacitated for months.

I think Thane turned down the lung transplant, because as he says in the final romance scene, he had prepared for death, and he was ready (until Shepard walked into his life.) He was disconnected, and before going onto the Collector mission, probably wanted to be reunited with Irikah into the sea again.

We don't know at what point he declines the lung transplant, it may have been before Shepard makes her advances, or after. I am also not sure if the lung transplant candidate has to be living, or if they can be dead. If they are living, then I imagine that Thane would put their life higher than his own, because he sees himself as a 'sinner.'

But we all know that he isn't

[Fiery Phoenix]

I think it goes without saying that the reason behind Thane's transplant refusal is, as LT remarked, because he's, well, Thane. That is to say, because he believes that he is a man of guilt and that there are others who are more worthy of a transplant.

In addition, it should be noted that the medical report seems to have been written shortly following Thane's recruitment, which is before he develops any relationship with Shepard. Hence, it is very probable that Thane could change his mind by this point--if only to "remain by [Shepard's] side and protect her with everything that he is," to quote his own words from the LOTSB letter.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Thanks for clarifying, I thought that the medical report was written before any romance was initiated, but I wasn't certain. It does make more sense with his refusal then. He has prepared for his own death, after he has taken so many other people's lives. (In his own mind.)

[Fiery Phoenix]

Yup, exactly. It's a pretty safe conclusion given his personality (at least without the romance).

[N0-Future]

Some may not like this, but I think that Thane's dying will make the story much more romantic (in the original, as well as the common sense of the word).
Also, about the red skin on his neck - does anyone else wonder if this is some genetic hold over from reptilian days, as the downy hair that covers a human is to our ape times? And if so, would it grow brighter when he got horny?