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[giftfish]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

I'll try to tread lightly here, but you romanced someone who is terimally ill, and you know this from the moment you meet him. Why are you angry and surprised that they planned a death for him?

Hi there.   Thanks for dropping in our thread.  I realize that it's not feasible to read hundreds of pages of the thread, but chances are that you'd find much to answer your question in just the first few pages of the thread.

Let me recap a few things for you.

1.   Yes, there was both a Twitter and FB campaign that Bioware started to save Thane.  Nevermind that many of the millions of players on ME aren't actually on Twitter or FB.  The Thane community has no idea how/whether this influenced the treatment of Thane in ME3.

2. Many players who didn't romance Thane don't understand how his character development changes in ME2 once romanced.  A "friend Thane" story arc is all about his redemption prior to his death, which he has long-since accepted.  A romanced Thane has in his words "woken from his battle sleep".   He is no longer resigned and accepting of his death; instead, he is afraid of it, and dreads having such a little time  left.  He now has his relationship with his son to live for (if you played paragon), and he is falling in love with Shepard.  In other words, he does a 180.

3. ME2/ME3 contained several instances of forshadowing that "left the door open" so to speak, for BioWare to implement some type of cure/life-extending mechanism for Thane.  The hanar genetic engineeing experiments, lung transplant, eupolmos device, lung-specific medi-gel are all examples.

4. Mass Effect is full of unlikely medical events actually happening:  the best example being....Shepard was brought back from the dead.  Literally.   That's far, far beyond curing a "terminal" illness of a living person.   Talk about space magic.  Also, the genophage was cured, and well, the Synthesis" ending?  Serious "space magic" there.  I find it extremely weird that people latch onto the "he was terminally ill" thing, but yet they have no problems with any of these other events.

5. Lastly, it's not just about the fact that Thane dies.  It's that his character in ME3 was treated extremely poorly, like many of the other ME2 LIs.  He was swept under the rug. The fact that he dies after so little interaction, so early on in the game, is just a further insult.  A big issue that Thane-mancers have is that his romanced story-arc was not carried over into ME3.   And, there are several other issues.  Many, many issues.  Likely a result of Thane's new writer in ME3.

BioWare has taught us that practically nothing in the ME world is impossible.   Shepard is constantly defying the odds.  Sucide Mission?  What suicide mission?  All of my peeps survive every time.  Stop an asteroid from destroying a planet?  No problem.  Cure the genophage?  Easy.

Take all these things into account and curing/extending Thane's life doesn't seem like a very big deal in comparison.

[coldwetn0se]

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my Evan Shepard, her sister Miri, and her beaux Thane...."TIM's Angels". *snort*

[giftfish]

krukow wrote...

JECW wrote...There is the fact that not one person remembers him. Not even Shepard. We get very little time with him before he dies. A lot of us didn't really care for Shepards reaction during Thanes death and she can't tell him she loves him. Then she just goes on like nothing happened. We don't expect her to be crying every 2 seconds but some kind of reaction would have been nice. It wasn't really fun being hit on by Kaidan right after. The fight with Kai Leng was silly. Especially since Shepard and your two squadmates have guns. Thane has a gun, but charges at Leng who has a sword. He death didn't have any real meaning like Mordins or Legions. He can also easily be replaced by Kirrahe during that fight with Leng. If you don't talk to Thane at the hospital he just dies off screen. His name shows up on the wall and that's how you learn he died. Bioware also admitted they droped the ball when it came to Thane in ME3. They just simply forgot.

I don't know if I entirely agree.  He saves the Salarian councilor(which, while not as big a deal in the game as it should be, really is a huge thing), and makes it much easier for my shep to talk Ash down (which is funny, as a non-thanemancer his death is more important than if you are a thanemancer).

But yeah, I get the complaint that nobody misses him.  Joker mentions when Miranda survives (and Tali drunkenly tries to convince me she died.  I see a cliff in Tali's future), but nobody mentions thane that I'm aware of.  Even Ash could have said something (It's heavily implied that they'd met in the hopsital).

To me it would make much more sense for Kirrahe to be attempting to save the salarian councilor.   Also, yeah, running into melee combat against a guy who has a sword, when you have a gun...and you are a sniper...is just a bit ridiculous, imo.

I think people's points about Legion and Mordin--I  thought their deaths were well-done and heartbreaking, btw-- is that they both died in a way that made sense to their own personal storylines.  Thane's death makes no sense in relation to his storyline, as BW  basically removed any type of real storyline from his character in ME3.

Similar in a way to how BW just recycled content for Miranda in ME3.  More Oriana, rather than having her do something that makes some sense, like participate inthe Cerberus Coup, etc.

Modifié par giftfish, 18 août 2012 - 01:18 .

[giftfish]

@Coldi -- omg yer Shepard looks almost exactly like mine. And, I ALWAYS take Thane on Miranda's loyalty mission.

Well, I take Thane on every mission, so....

[giftfish]

btw, Coldi, I needs DAO advice >.<

[krukow]

giftfish wrote...

krukow wrote...

JECW wrote...There is the fact that not one person remembers him. Not even Shepard. We get very little time with him before he dies. A lot of us didn't really care for Shepards reaction during Thanes death and she can't tell him she loves him. Then she just goes on like nothing happened. We don't expect her to be crying every 2 seconds but some kind of reaction would have been nice. It wasn't really fun being hit on by Kaidan right after. The fight with Kai Leng was silly. Especially since Shepard and your two squadmates have guns. Thane has a gun, but charges at Leng who has a sword. He death didn't have any real meaning like Mordins or Legions. He can also easily be replaced by Kirrahe during that fight with Leng. If you don't talk to Thane at the hospital he just dies off screen. His name shows up on the wall and that's how you learn he died. Bioware also admitted they droped the ball when it came to Thane in ME3. They just simply forgot.

I don't know if I entirely agree.  He saves the Salarian councilor(which, while not as big a deal in the game as it should be, really is a huge thing), and makes it much easier for my shep to talk Ash down (which is funny, as a non-thanemancer his death is more important than if you are a thanemancer).

But yeah, I get the complaint that nobody misses him.  Joker mentions when Miranda survives (and Tali drunkenly tries to convince me she died.  I see a cliff in Tali's future), but nobody mentions thane that I'm aware of.  Even Ash could have said something (It's heavily implied that they'd met in the hopsital).

To me it would make much more sense for Kirrahe to be attempting to save the salarian councilor.   Also, yeah, running into melee combat against a guy who has a sword, when you have a gun...and you are a sniper...is just a bit ridiculous, imo.

Well, I never defended the execution of the scene, I just think his death had meaning.  He's barely in the game, but I think his cameo is pretty decent for what it is.  He saves a councilor and dies a hero.  His death scene is even pretty good if he's just your friend.  (I've heard it's very underwhelming if he was your LI, I just haven't romanced him, so I can't speak to that).

It's just that that's LITERALLY all there is to him in the game.  He punches a window or something when you see him, has a short, pointless conversation, and then it's that coup scene.  And then he's just a name on the board that nobody remembers.  I mean, if you kill Kaidan on Virmire, he still gets mentioned by Ash, but Thane's just gone.  Really, Thane gets the same treatment as a lot of other ME2 squaddies, he just gets the added fun of a mandatory death...

[krukow]

giftfish wrote...

btw, Coldi, I needs DAO advice >.<

Romance Morrigan

[giftfish]

I play the females! How is that woman actually het!?

[coldwetn0se]

@giftfish - you need but ask, my pretty!

and, GO REDHEADS!

[giftfish]

krukow wrote...

It's just that that's LITERALLY all there is to him in the game.  He punches a window or something when you see him, has a short, pointless conversation, and then it's that coup scene.  And then he's just a name on the board that nobody remembers.  I mean, if you kill Kaidan on Virmire, he still gets mentioned by Ash, but Thane's just gone.  Really, Thane gets the same treatment as a lot of other ME2 squaddies, he just gets the added fun of a mandatory death...

Yep, totally agree.  Which considering Thane, along with Miranda, was a poster-child for ME2, is just crazy.  Also considering if Kaidan is dead, FemSheps have no other het romance options in ME3...not that they would want them.

The lack of recognition, lack of Codex Entry, flirtations by other LIs 2 seconds later, Garrus not mentioning him during the plaque scene on the Normandy are all icing on the cake.

Thane's problem was that he was in ME2 and not ME1, and BW/EA decided to basically retcon all plot development and LIs in ME2.  Which, considering ME2 sold over a million more units than ME1...probably not the best decision they ever made.

Modifié par giftfish, 18 août 2012 - 01:26 .

[giftfish]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

As I said, I wasn't completely educated about Thane as some were, as I don't play as FemShep, which means I don't romance him. Now that I know more about what's going on and why people are upset, I get where all of you are coming from.

Appreciate it.  Hope I didn't come across as snotty there -- I  can just be a bit dry at times.  Some folks responded while I  was typing that monolith, so I  didn't see your reply to them until afterward

Modifié par giftfish, 18 août 2012 - 01:28 .

[krukow]

giftfish wrote...

krukow wrote...

It's just that that's LITERALLY all there is to him in the game.  He punches a window or something when you see him, has a short, pointless conversation, and then it's that coup scene.  And then he's just a name on the board that nobody remembers.  I mean, if you kill Kaidan on Virmire, he still gets mentioned by Ash, but Thane's just gone.  Really, Thane gets the same treatment as a lot of other ME2 squaddies, he just gets the added fun of a mandatory death...

Yep, totally agree.  Which considering Thane, along with Miranda, was a poster-child for ME2, is just crazy.  Also considering if Kaidan is dead, FemSheps have no other het romance options in ME3...not that they would want them.

The lack of recognition, lack of Codex Entry, flirtations by other LIs 2 seconds later, Garrus not mentioning him during the plaque scene on the Normandy are all icing on the cake.

Thane's problem was that he was in ME2 and not ME1, and BW/EA decided to basically retcon all plot development and LIs in ME2.  Which, considering ME2 sold over a million more units than ME1...probably not the best decision they ever made.

That was always weird to me.  I mean, I'm an Ashmancer, so I can't complain, but Miri was my other romance (I've not done any others).  I was literally stunned that she went form covergirl to random cameo appearances (though she easily gets the best treatment of ME2 LIs).  Really, they should have just made each potential LI a potential squadmate, just to be safe.  Even if Thane has to die, let him be around before then.  Was he really doing rehab that he couldn't do on the Normandy?  It's like they think the plot is the biggest reason we play, when it's the characters...

[giftfish]

krukow wrote...
That was always weird to me.  I mean, I'm an Ashmancer, so I can't complain, but Miri was my other romance (I've not done any others).  I was literally stunned that she went form covergirl to random cameo appearances (though she easily gets the best treatment of ME2 LIs).  Really, they should have just made each potential LI a potential squadmate, just to be safe.  Even if Thane has to die, let him be around before then.  Was he really doing rehab that he couldn't do on the Normandy?  It's like they think the plot is the biggest reason we play, when it's the characters...

Yeah -- with the squadmate thing.  I just finished compiling over 6,000 comments for the Romance DLC  initiative, and one person had a great idea that no matter who your LI is from ME1 or ME2, that they should be a squadmate in ME3.  Another great suggestion is that players should have 2 "open" squadmate spaces so that they can assign squadmates as they want to both spaces.  I think that second option is great considering we had 12 great squadmates in ME2, 10 of which were new, and none of them come back in ME3.

What was the point of ME2 again?

Modifié par giftfish, 18 août 2012 - 01:37 .

[coldwetn0se]

@krukow - I am a die hard Ashley fan (as many around here know), and it is funny, but I came to adore her BEFORE I knew that she was written by Thane's writer, Chris L'etoile. (I was late to this series, and started with ME2. Loved my very first play through, and ordered ME1 immediately.)

**EDIT for Derpness**

Modifié par coldwetn0se, 18 août 2012 - 01:38 .

[giftfish]

coldwetn0se wrote...
 (I was late to this series, and started with ME2. Loved my very first play through, and ordered ME1 immediately.)

Ditto

And, I  talked about this in another thread recently....  The fact that ME2 sold more than 1 million units more than ME1, means that for a large part of the playerbase, ME2 was their first ME experience.  Many of those players haven't even gone back to play ME1.   Why demote all of those great squadmates in ME2 to the sidelines?

Modifié par giftfish, 18 août 2012 - 01:39 .

[krukow]

giftfish wrote...

coldwetn0se wrote...
 (I was late to this series, and started with ME2. Loved my very first play through, and ordered ME1 immediately.)

Ditto

The same!

Also, while I'm here, that scene on Thane's loyalty mission where he's praying, and then those two people cross, and then he's gone?

That's like one of the 10 coolest scenes in the trilogy, right?  I haven't done the legwork to think up my 10 fav scenes, but that one is AWESOME.

[coldwetn0se]

*high-five's giftfish* Lordy.....even have the same birthday....*put's on Twilight Zone theme*

[giftfish]

krukow wrote...

giftfish wrote...

coldwetn0se wrote...
 (I was late to this series, and started with ME2. Loved my very first play through, and ordered ME1 immediately.)

Ditto

The same!

Also, while I'm here, that scene on Thane's loyalty mission where he's praying, and then those two people cross, and then he's gone?

That's like one of the 10 coolest scenes in the trilogy, right?  I haven't done the legwork to think up my 10 fav scenes, but that one is AWESOME.

um...YEAH.  Thane is a lot of people's favorite character.  I also know this from the 6000 survey comments, lol.

And, honestly, while I haven't romanced even close to everyone (only Thane and Kaidan); I've watched all the romances, and I have exhausted ALLof the dialogue on paragon in all 3 games, and I honestly think that Thane is the deepest, richest, msot well-written character in the series.  --Ash is close, though

[giftfish]

coldwetn0se wrote...

*high-five's giftfish* Lordy.....even have the same birthday....*put's on Twilight Zone theme*

Coldi....do you have blonde hair?

I need to make sure you aren't my doppelganger, lol....

[coldwetn0se]

@krukow - totally agree; a scene that ranks high on "the cool" factor.

[Roxy]

giftfish wrote...

What was the point of ME2 again?

Yeah I've been questioning that to myself today too... and also what's the point of keeping everybody alive in ME 2?...you get very little time with those characters that you grew to love in ME 3.... that you busted your ass to recruit and keep alive during SM ...it would have been awesome if we could have had every one of them back as our squadmates!...but it didn't turn out like that..... 


@ Krukow I love Ashley...I like her attitude ,I have a male shepard who I'm playing in ME 2 right now that romanced her! I'm passed horizon now so yeah I think I'm gonna keep Shep faithful!

Modifié par Roxy, 18 août 2012 - 01:50 .

[coldwetn0se]

hehehe....
@giftfish - nah (though I have done the bottle version before). Was born a redhead, and my hair has darken to a mid-brown with red highlights (yes, yes.....and gray....bugger!) >.<

[giftfish]

@krukow -- another thing you should know about us Thane-mancers, now that we have you chatting with us

We don't want BioWare to BAM! implement a cure. If they would do this, we want the current treatment to be preserved, because many players (mostly those that are friendSheps to Thane) like his current treatment.

What many of us ask is for the option for a cure/life extension. Sort of like what's currently in the game for Miri/Tali/Jack. Maybe something based upon romance or loyalty status and accessible via a side mission or interrupt. Something that provides an option for us to have a better ME3 experience with Thane, but that also allows players who like his current treatment, to retain that and not have their own game experience diminished.

Modifié par giftfish, 18 août 2012 - 01:53 .

[giftfish]

coldwetn0se wrote...

hehehe....
@giftfish - nah (though I have done the bottle version before). Was born a redhead, and my hair has darken to a mid-brown with red highlights (yes, yes.....and gray....bugger!) >.<

/whew

I've always wanted red hair....sigh.  My dad was a redhead.  Before my teenage years caused it all to fall out!  Muuuhahahahaha!