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[wildannie]

 @N0-Future I don't really like that view but whether I or anyone likes it is neither here nor there .  

As to how 'romantic' Thane dying would be... I guess that's subjective.  For me, it would just be a bit cheap and a bit rubbish.  I see no romance in death, only tragedy.  Of course having death in stories is essential, but Thane's death is not essential to make the ME story, nor is him being cured going to ruin his character.

[Lucky Thirteen]

I'm just going to try to ask my question again, try to clarify some more cause it will bug me until I get a proper answer to the question.

It is a hypothetical question, a what if, and I want to know your responses if Bioware were to put this into the story for Thane.


There are other drell with Kepral's, in fact it is one of the number one killers for drell. It's is not a contagious disease, it is a condition that develops from living on Kahje, and many many many other drell besides Thane has it. Probably including drell that are young, such as Kolyat. Drell are also an endangered species on top of that. So this would lead me to think a transplant would be very rare, just like transplants in our real life world can be difficult to retrieve just because a person has a certain blood type. The waiting list would be long, and I have the impression that Thane gave up a position on that waiting list so some else could have another chance at life.

What if, hypothetically and speculatively, in ME3 a cure or life prolonging fix appeared. However, it is expensive, rare, and difficult to retrieve. It will take time for even the likes of Mordin to get enough of that cure to help all of the drell with this condition. Life Thane, this isn't exactly time all drell have and many will continue to die while the cure is put together and put out there.

What if in response, when offered to be one of the first to take it Thane refuses and wants it to go to someone else of his species that has the condition. It is not because he does not want to live or that he doesn't love Shepard, it is because he is being selfless. He want's to sacrifice himself for someone else of his species to have the cure first. On a certain level, yes he is devaluing himself, but he is doing it for the greater good for the survival of his species.


I am not saying this is fact and it will happening. I am asking how will you react/feel/think if this scenario happened and no matter what Shepard does Thane refuses to take the cure because he wants to be selfless to his own species.

[Asenza]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

I'm just going to try to ask my question again, try to clarify some more cause it will bug me until I get a proper answer to the question.

It is a hypothetical question, a what if, and I want to know your responses if Bioware were to put this into the story for Thane.


There are other drell with Kepral's, in fact it is one of the number one killers for drell. It's is not a contagious disease, it is a condition that develops from living on Kahje, and many many many other drell besides Thane has it. Probably including drell that are young, such as Kolyat. Drell are also an endangered species on top of that. So this would lead me to think a transplant would be very rare, just like transplants in our real life world can be difficult to retrieve just because a person has a certain blood type. The waiting list would be long, and I have the impression that Thane gave up a position on that waiting list so some else could have another chance at life.

What if, hypothetically and speculatively, in ME3 a cure or life prolonging fix appeared. However, it is expensive, rare, and difficult to retrieve. It will take time for even the likes of Mordin to get enough of that cure to help all of the drell with this condition. Life Thane, this isn't exactly time all drell have and many will continue to die while the cure is put together and put out there.

What if in response, when offered to be one of the first to take it Thane refuses and wants it to go to someone else of his species that has the condition. It is not because he does not want to live or that he doesn't love Shepard, it is because he is being selfless. He want's to sacrifice himself for someone else of his species to have the cure first. On a certain level, yes he is devaluing himself, but he is doing it for the greater good for the survival of his species.

I am not saying this is fact and it will happening. I am asking how will you react/feel/think if this scenario happened and no matter what Shepard does Thane refuses to take the cure because he wants to be selfless to his own species.

At the same time though, Thane could instead take the cure as a test subject- as it could potentially kill him. Think about it. If the cure is a rare or previously unknown substance, all the testing in the world won't help until a Drell takes it and it is determined if it has any beneficial or harmful effects.

Then, one has to weigh the benefits the cure provides to negatives. Thane could have the same selfless, help-my-people type of thought process, by being the first to try the cure that could potentially cure his people, to make sure it poses no serious type of injury or complication.

I do wonder about how much he cares about other Drell, though. He's not Tali- and he did say that he hardly ever spoke to other people outside of his own family. Not to say that he wouldn't help them all if he could, but if he had a sudden and great burst of patriotism I would find it a little jarring.

[wildannie]

@Lucky Thirteen

I agree with 51ha, I think Thane would do it for Shepard, he's also going to save many more lives putting his skills toward saving the galaxy than he would by saving a random Drell who will still need rescuing from the Reapers after the transplant.

[Kathleen321]

wildannie wrote...

@Lucky Thirteen

I agree with 51ha, I think Thane would do it for Shepard, he's also going to save many more lives putting his skills toward saving the galaxy than he would by saving a random Drell who will still need rescuing from the Reapers after the transplant.

  I sure hope so. I agree with a lot thats been said here. Thane had excepted his death, but when Shepard came into his life he had reason to live again. He clearly expressed this in their romance scene at the end of ME2. I only hope this evident desire is some type of foreshadowing for a cure in ME3.
  My biggest fear is that Thane will have no cutscenes or dialogue at all, that Shepard will be informed he's dead and there will be a very brief clip of Shepard grieving. (This is how Shepard accepted the deaths of any crew members if they were killed in ME2- a quick cutscene and BAM! over)

[Fiery Phoenix]

I could see him doing it for Shepard as well. Totally.

And Kathleen, fortunately, that's not going to happen. At least not according to what we've been told about the love interests.

[Lucky Thirteen]

I understand your opinion that Thane could do it for Shepard and how it can be in his character. I can easily see those ideas happening.

But what if he does refuse it and he makes a decent case for not wanting to do it. What if there is no way around it and there is no choice in the matter but his own choice.

My question is what would you think? How would you react to that? Would you want to force it on him or do you think it's his body, his choice. Would you hate Bioware forever or would you accept that's how they wrote him? Will Shepard quit and doom the galaxy because Thane made a personal choice with his body to not take the cure?

Also, I think he would care very much for his own species. He did enter the compact and represent himself for his species to the hanar and he takes offense to calling it slavery. He clearly loves his own culture and his religion.

Kathleen321 wrote...
I only hope this evident desire is some type of foreshadowing for a cure in ME3. My biggest fear is that Thane will have no cutscenes or dialogue at all, that Shepard will be informed he's dead and there will be a very brief clip of Shepard grieving. (This is how Shepard accepted the deaths of any crew members if they were killed in ME2- a quick cutscene and BAM! over)

They actually confirmed at a convention a few weeks ago, someone asked "Is he coming back" and they said yes. Just check out Bioware TV and look for one of the Q&A sessions with Michael Gamble and he says yes.

They spent too much time and money on Thane to just drop him like that. Just because they haven't physically shown him yet doesn't mean they are going to kill him off. Keythe is not allowed to discuss anything about Thane in ME3. He said so on his facebook. If that doesn't tell you Thane is back, I don't know what else will.

[Kathleen321]

I wish they would tell us more. If he is going to die I want to know so I don't get my hopes up.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Kathleen321 wrote...

I wish they would tell us more. If he is going to die I want to know so I don't get my hopes up.

It's funny, because we haven't heard or seen ANYTHING about Thane yet. All we know is that he will be in the game somewhere if he survived your ME2. I wouldn't be surprised if they kept it this way until March.

[Cosmochyck]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

I understand your opinion that Thane could do it for Shepard and how it can be in his character. I can easily see those ideas happening.

But what if he does refuse it and he makes a decent case for not wanting to do it. What if there is no way around it and there is no choice in the matter but his own choice.

My question is what would you think? How would you react to that? Would you want to force it on him or do you think it's his body, his choice. Would you hate Bioware forever or would you accept that's how they wrote him? Will Shepard quit and doom the galaxy because Thane made a personal choice with his body to not take the cure?

Also, I think he would care very much for his own species. He did enter the compact and represent himself for his species to the hanar and he takes offense to calling it slavery. He clearly loves his own culture and his religion.

Kathleen321 wrote...
I only hope this evident desire is some type of foreshadowing for a cure in ME3. My biggest fear is that Thane will have no cutscenes or dialogue at all, that Shepard will be informed he's dead and there will be a very brief clip of Shepard grieving. (This is how Shepard accepted the deaths of any crew members if they were killed in ME2- a quick cutscene and BAM! over)

They actually confirmed at a convention a few weeks ago, someone asked "Is he coming back" and they said yes. Just check out Bioware TV and look for one of the Q&A sessions with Michael Gamble and he says yes.

They spent too much time and money on Thane to just drop him like that. Just because they haven't physically shown him yet doesn't mean they are going to kill him off. Keythe is not allowed to discuss anything about Thane in ME3. He said so on his facebook. If that doesn't tell you Thane is back, I don't know what else will.

I'd for sure doom the galaxy!!  On at least one PT...  Another I'd probably force the cure on him, and a third I'd let him make his own choice ()

[Plakto]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

I understand your opinion that Thane could do it for Shepard and how it can be in his character. I can easily see those ideas happening.

But what if he does refuse it and he makes a decent case for not wanting to do it. What if there is no way around it and there is no choice in the matter but his own choice.

My question is what would you think? How would you react to that? Would you want to force it on him or do you think it's his body, his choice. Would you hate Bioware forever or would you accept that's how they wrote him? Will Shepard quit and doom the galaxy because Thane made a personal choice with his body to not take the cure?

Also, I think he would care very much for his own species. He did enter the compact and represent himself for his species to the hanar and he takes offense to calling it slavery. He clearly loves his own culture and his religion.

Kathleen321 wrote...
I only hope this evident desire is some type of foreshadowing for a cure in ME3. My biggest fear is that Thane will have no cutscenes or dialogue at all, that Shepard will be informed he's dead and there will be a very brief clip of Shepard grieving. (This is how Shepard accepted the deaths of any crew members if they were killed in ME2- a quick cutscene and BAM! over)

They actually confirmed at a convention a few weeks ago, someone asked "Is he coming back" and they said yes. Just check out Bioware TV and look for one of the Q&A sessions with Michael Gamble and he says yes.

They spent too much time and money on Thane to just drop him like that. Just because they haven't physically shown him yet doesn't mean they are going to kill him off. Keythe is not allowed to discuss anything about Thane in ME3. He said so on his facebook. If that doesn't tell you Thane is back, I don't know what else will.

But what if he does refuse it and he makes a decent case for not wanting to do it. What if there is no way around it and there is no choice in the matter but his own choice.

That alone makes no sense to me.. He makes a case in not wanting to do it? may I ask what said case is? There is no thought to how shepard and his remaining family may feel about his decision? The logic that he is saving lives being a test subject for this very experimental cure and using it to save the reapers - never applies? I'm lost.That goes against his personality. If he was perfectly comfortable with dying NO MATTER WHAT his romance scene would not display him so frightened after his relationship with his son is reconciled and shepard is in his life. He is afraid to die because he has now has something to live for. Finally, there is always some character influence or a choice involved. I find it unfeasible to believe that it's Thane's way or the highway - If anything bioware will give us the choice of saving him aganist his will and causing a major dent in the relationship or letting him die. It goes without saying what the choice will be for me, and probably for most in this thread - as long as hes alive you have the rest of your lives to make amends.

But moving on, I think he could be easily convinced. And what makes you think thane’s body belongs to him? It doesn’t. Throughout his entire story he goes on to say that his body and his soul are two different things. His body can commit all sorts of atrocities, because it was his job – and he is in no way responsible. Like he said a thousand times, he feels no guilt for contracts, he didn’t kill them, his employers did. His body is a weapon to be wielded by his employer – by shepard. It isn’t his, it’s his employers as are all the sins they commit with it.

But to answer your completely hypothetical question, heck no would my shepard lay down and watch him die. Between all of her resources, mordin,  liara the shadow broker, stolen cerburus tech, dr chakwas, being commander freaking shepard who has saved the galaxy Twice now - there is a means to do something. damn if my sheps are going to lay down and lose one more when there is a means to stop it.

Finally. Save the galaxy. I'll chase off the reapers and run away some where with thane in recovery. It'll take some time, some things are worth waiting for.~~~

He did enter the compact and represent himself for his species to the hanar and he takes offense to calling it slavery. He clearly loves his own culture and his religion.

This is apples and oranges. =/ he is not "representing" himself for the hanar. The hanar are not like the U.N who have a system of diplomacy and compacts with multiple species/ countries. The compact with the hanar and drell is "we saved you from extinction, you owe your existance to us, we  ask that you perform services we are incapable of in gratitude" and it's an "honor" for a drell to be chosen to repay the debt. Thane allowed it not because he loves his own culture and religion, but because being chosen in childhood to serve the almighty hanar is like being called by the president at four to recieve the medal of honor. It's a honor, you CAN refuse, but you better have a darn good reason.

Does that answer the question? I know its alot. x-x

Modifié par Plakto, 15 septembre 2011 - 07:57 .

[Shepenwepet]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

But what if he does refuse it and he makes a decent case for not wanting to do it. What if there is no way around it and there is no choice in the matter but his own choice.

My question is what would you think? How would you react to that? Would you want to force it on him or do you think it's his body, his choice. Would you hate Bioware forever or would you accept that's how they wrote him? Will Shepard quit and doom the galaxy because Thane made a personal choice with his body to not take the cure?

I would be completely fine with this. Really, it should be up to Thane, it's his life after all, and my Shep isn't the kind of person who would meddle in a situation like this. She wouldn't like it, but she'd honor whatever choice he made. Nothing but respect for him. She'd mope a few days and then at least try to focus on the reapers.

But having major choices/events out of players' hands = fanrage, so I doubt this will come up. Sometimes I miss the days of old RPGs, where it was "take it or leave it." Everything was out of our hands and we didn't mind. There were deaths that meant something because you couldn't reload and do it differently.

I certainly wouldn't hate Bioware forever. They've burned me before with Virmire (having no knowledge of ME1 beforehand, my team for the entire game was Ash and Kaidan.) and the Landsmeet, (Lost my tank due to my addiction to achievements...) and I've come back to them. There's absolutely nothing they could do in ME3 that would make me hate them. We could defeat the reapers in a sequence of DDR battles, I wouldn't care.

Well, maybe a bit.

[Lucky Thirteen]

Yeah, true, fan rage. I remember some fan rage over what happens in Arrival DLC. Actually a while back I remember reading a post where someone was upset they couldn't attempt to help Nassana and reprimand Thane for killing her.

I wish there were more things out of the players control or more decisions that happen earlier in the game that later hurt or benefit the player by surprise. I think we may get some of that in ME3.


I know many of you probably rarely do this option, but what do you guys think that funny noise is in Thane's romance scene if you tell him he just has combat jitters and send him away.

See here if you haven't seen it.

[Jebediah Springfield]

Love Thane's theology and Mordin's rationalism. They work great alongside one another. I hope Thane is a full squadmate for the third game. As far as the death goes, I think acceptance of death is what makes Thane such a strong character. In a way, if there was a magical cure it would deprive Thane of his story driving power. Death is an element of most any quality story. Not that I want him dead though...

[Kathleen321]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

Yeah, true, fan rage. I remember some fan rage over what happens in Arrival DLC. Actually a while back I remember reading a post where someone was upset they couldn't attempt to help Nassana and reprimand Thane for killing her.

I wish there were more things out of the players control or more decisions that happen earlier in the game that later hurt or benefit the player by surprise. I think we may get some of that in ME3.


I know many of you probably rarely do this option, but what do you guys think that funny noise is in Thane's romance scene if you tell him he just has combat jitters and send him away.

See here if you haven't seen it.

Isn't that the sound shields make when they fail, or regenerate? Guess the sound of a Drell's heart breaking is the same. 

[Fiery Phoenix]

Unsure if you many of you are aware, but I recall reading somewhere that, in an early build of ME2, Nassana was originally possible to spare through an Interrupt right as Thane gets to her.

[Enmystic]

Kathleen321 wrote...
Isn't that the sound shields make when they fail, or regenerate? Guess the sound of a Drell's heart breaking is the same. 

Okay, that made me snort from laughing.

@Jebediah
If a cure comes up in ME3 I'm sure it will make sense in the ME universe and Thane's story won't lose any power because of it.  Death can be a good story element, but it's not necessary.

@Fiery
Wow, I wonder what would've happened if you stopped Thane from killing Nassana.  I see why Bioware took it out though.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I think it's better off this way, yes. They could have taken it out for any number of reasons, but I'd bet it was a writing issue of sorts.

[JECWSU]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Unsure if you many of you are aware, but I recall reading somewhere that, in an early build of ME2, Nassana was originally possible to spare through an Interrupt right as Thane gets to her.

I did not know this. That could have been interesting to watch.

I also had no idea that some people where upset that they couldn't stop Thane from killing Nassana.

[Kathleen321]

I'm glad they took that option out. I probably would have just tapped the Paragon interrupt without even thinking and that lady does not deserve to live.

[Lucky Thirteen]

Kathleen321 wrote...

Isn't that the sound shields make when they fail, or regenerate? Guess the sound of a Drell's heart breaking is the same. 

Cause he's not getting any? lol!

The thing is she's not really breaking up with him.  They both have some sweet lines there about caring and protecting each other. Thane's romance I feel is fastest one. Jacob, Miranda, Garrus, Jack, and Tali all have more time with Shepard either because they are picked up in the begining of the game or are from the last game. This is why Shepard says, "I don't know if we can call what we have love, but I do feel something for you." Granted I think many players like to think it's true love from the moment he drops from the ceiling, but I'm not going to stop you if you like to think that for your head canon

I just think Thane is  the only one you can't break up with in the final love scene. You can break up with him when talking to him in his room, but when he comes to Shepard's room you can't because he's at a line between crush and love.


I am curious though, does anyone have a close enough save, that they can do that line with the funny noise and confirm the relationship isn't over? See if Thane can still be called up to Shepard's room and then do LotSB to see if the letter still appears.

If not, I'll just have to figure it out myself. I just  fear messing up my ideal 360 import save, Rylie is going to tap that always. I don't have LotSB on my  PC version yet and I'm too lazy to go start a new Shepard and re-romance Thane. If I'm every going to start a new Shepard I want to experiment with Jacob as he's the only one I haven't seen save for him taking his shirt off and Shepard looking very rape facey.

Modifié par Lucky Thirteen, 16 septembre 2011 - 02:57 .