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[Roxy]

@DragonSlayer63 I actually saw that for the first time when I was playing my maleshep the other day..I started to giggle but then got sad when Thane started to tear up.....I don't hate Kolyat and I'm sure there are others here who don't either!

Even though some people might think of Thane as a bad husband and father....Thane loved his family and did the best he could to love them,keep them safe and provide for them! You could tell he loved Irikah and Kolyat....and if he didn't love Kolyat he wouldnt of asked shep for help to save his son!


EDIT: I guess I'm supposed to post a pic now? lol

Editado por Roxy, 02 octubre 2012 - 07:36 .

[coldwetn0se]

DragonSlayer63 wrote...

@coldwetn0se I, too, read your writing about Thane on the Cosmic Love blog. Awesome work!  You captured his character beautifully.

@gearseffect I checked your Samara text. I must say, I never cared for Samara that much, but I found your writing about her very touching. Made me really feel like she should be a real LI. All the build-up for a romance, and then nothing... I feel kinda bad for Samara fans now. :/ Anyway, good work with the text!


*sigh* I need to open up. XD I had an idea for a Thane & Mouse fanfic and searched their conversations on youtube for inspiration. I found a version I had never heard before, the one with Mouse talking about chocolate and Thane saying he never gave Kolyat any chocolate. At first I thought it was hilarious, how they talked about chocolate so seriously... But then I was like "wait, he never... what kind of father doesn't give their son chocolate?!?! ;__;" Aaand I'm ridiculously sad now. XD Oh well, gotta read some Thane smut to cheer up before going to bed.

Seriously though, am I the only one who feels more sorry for Kolyat than for Thane (leaving out how horribly Thane was treated in ME3)? It seems to me that many Thane fans see Kolyat as a whiny teenager or something like that... *shrugs* But I really like him, especially in ME2, and I wish we could see more of him.

Aw, could talk about Kolyat the whole night but I really need to sleep, it's 10 pm here and I gotta wake up at 6 am. Nighty night for all!

Thank you Dragon, for reading the spot.  Very much appreciated.  As for Kolyat, I can't speak for most/all Thane fans, but all the regular posters here have always had a huge soft spot for Kolyat.  Did Thane do right by his son? No.  Does he recognize his failings? Yes.  Does this make up for it?  Only time will tell. 

Unlike your stereotypical "dead beat parent", Thane, I believe, thought he made the right choice leaving him with family.  Probably even thought by keeping his son at arms length while he was growing up, was a way of shielding him from what Thane was; a gun for hire.  It's not so much about what he did wrong, but what his motivations were.  There are some who bear children, and have no regards for the "fruit of their loins".  I don't find that Thane was written in such a way.  He never truly learned to separate the Assassin from the family man.  And unfortunately, he saw too late that his two lives had intertwined, losing his wife to murder, and his son to protection.

[Roxy]

@ Coldi Damn you explain so well lol...that's what I wanted to write but obviously couldn't get it all out right.....geez never ask me to try to explain anything cause I suck...literally lol!

[coldwetn0se]

Roxy wrote...

@ Coldi Damn you explain so well lol...that's what I wanted to write but obviously couldn't get it all out right.....geez never ask me to try to explain anything cause I suck...literally lol!

Oh shush, you!  You wrote it beautifully.  I didn't see your post until after mine (I had to look up spelling...I'm an atrocious speller. HA!).  I also love that picture.

[Roxy]

coldwetn0se wrote...

Roxy wrote...

@ Coldi Damn you explain so well lol...that's what I wanted to write but obviously couldn't get it all out right.....geez never ask me to try to explain anything cause I suck...literally lol!

Oh shush, you!  You wrote it beautifully.  I didn't see your post until after mine (I had to look up spelling...I'm an atrocious speller. HA!).  I also love that picture.

Thanks!

I think your spelling is just fine! I love that pic too...especially since it's Fall season now!

[Twilight_Princess]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Roxy wrote...
Go to this link BioWare More equality for Femshep? and read it I dare you!

I know they are not going to do that everybody they don't even come in here at all.....I just wanted to put that there to see if they even have balls to do it...haha I said balls....*sighs*

I've seen that.  And favorited it.  Butthurt idiots on the Internet aside (I'm referring to the dA drama), it makes a very good point concisely.

Tyranny of the majority is not an acceptable solution.  Not in politics, not in religion, not in civil liberties, and not even in something "for fun" like video games.

I followed the link and can't BELIEVE the denial in the comments!!!

"Sure femshep has less options, Jacob cheated on her and Thane became a red shirt but that doesn't mean it's sexist!!"

Are you kidding? You even have people insisting Thane got a paramour achievement even when it says in the description he doesn't! Then you have the people that only see more gay options for femshep "Why is this sexist? What, you don't think there should be lesbian options??!! *rabble rabble*!!!" Talk about COMPLETELY missing the point!

Femshep's options got scrapped maleshep got more added on, that is sexist , end of!

Editado por Hyrule_Gal, 02 octubre 2012 - 08:39 .

[Roxy]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Roxy wrote...
Go to this link BioWare More equality for Femshep? and read it I dare you!

I know they are not going to do that everybody they don't even come in here at all.....I just wanted to put that there to see if they even have balls to do it...haha I said balls....*sighs*

I've seen that.  And favorited it.  Butthurt idiots on the Internet aside (I'm referring to the dA drama), it makes a very good point concisely.

Tyranny of the majority is not an acceptable solution.  Not in politics, not in religion, not in civil liberties, and not even in something "for fun" like video games.

I followed the link and can't BELIEVE the denial in the comments!!!

"Sure femshep has less options, Jacob cheated on her and Thane became a red shirt but that doesn't mean it's sexist!!"

Are you kidding? You even have people insisting Thane got a paramour achievement even when it says in the description he doesn't! Then you have the people that only see more gay options for femshep "Why is this sexist? What, you don't think there should be lesbian options??!! *rabble rabble*!!!" Talk about COMPLETELY missing the point!

Femshep's options got scrapped maleshep got more added on, that is sexist , end of!

I know right? There are some idiots on there that do miss the point and pretty much don't read what the desciptian says before commenting...Selfphobia wasn't attacking the gays and lesbians she was trying to make a point that Femshep(Female gamers) get's unfair treatment and loses 2 LI's while Mshep (Male gamers) get's to keep his....and that points directly of being Sexist  and it is!

Luckily there are some people on there who have commented,understood and support us even though they never have romanced Thane or Jacob!

Editado por Roxy, 02 octubre 2012 - 09:37 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...
I followed the link and can't BELIEVE the denial in the comments!!!  

TBH I think it's less deliberate sexism on the part of some of these people and more thoughtlessness, same as it was for the devs that created this unfortunate situation. It's our job to raise consciousness and point out that unfair treatment of female players is unacceptable regardless of intentions.

DragonSlayer63 wrote...
Seriously though, am I the only one who feels more sorry for Kolyat than for Thane (leaving out how horribly Thane was treated in ME3)? It seems to me that many Thane fans see Kolyat as a whiny teenager or something like that... *shrugs* But I really like him, especially in ME2, and I wish we could see more of him.

LOL, I took the Renegade interrupt on Kolyat in ME2 and shot at him.  Mostly because my Shep was having a bad day at that point (Garrus's LM right before Thane's).  But I do feel bad for the kid--I'm sure Thane had the best of intentions, but there's no denying his son turned out pretty messed up.  At least he seems to shape up by ME3, one of the few things they did right with Thane's story arc.

Editado por Sable Rhapsody, 02 octubre 2012 - 09:14 .

[gearseffect]

DragonSlayer63 wrote...

@coldwetn0se I, too, read your writing about Thane on the Cosmic Love blog. Awesome work!  You captured his character beautifully.

@gearseffect I checked your Samara text. I must say, I never cared for Samara that much, but I found your writing about her very touching. Made me really feel like she should be a real LI. All the build-up for a romance, and then nothing... I feel kinda bad for Samara fans now. :/ Anyway, good work with the text!

DragonSlayer this made my day and so much more you have no idea to see and hear that I was able to offer more insight and help others see her in a different light  or alter their propective, and kinda make some people go "I'll be d@mned I never really thought about it this wayYa know I can see it now, her character makes so much sense and is more then a cold person and Justicar." 

It made my day to hear I'd acomplished one of my BIG objectives with that piece which was alter peoples opinions of her and have 'em see her in a differnt light one more akin to my own view of her. You have no idea how much it made my day to see this, really thank you, also thank you mnomaha saw you posted it on Rana's page when I got home today and went to FB. 

[Askeebe]

 @gears, I loved your article on Samara.  I'm a femShep exclusive player and have no interest in playing a male when there's a female option, so I never explored romantic options with Samara.  Never crossed my mind.  I was very happy to consider her a friend, a mentor, a teacher, and maybe even something of a second mother.  My mental image of her is first and foremost floating over the rail wreathed in biotic energy.  My jaw dropped when I saw that the first time, and I thought she was amazing.  I also pick her for my biotic in the SM because I implicitly trust her to protect her squad mates with everything she has.  I was so sad that I couldn't have her in my squad for ME3.  I just wanted to say thanks for the wonderful way you enlightened me to those parts of Samara that are hidden to femShep.  I'll never view her the same again.

[firel]

Roxy wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Roxy wrote...
Go to this link BioWare More equality for Femshep? and read it I dare you!

I know they are not going to do that everybody they don't even come in here at all.....I just wanted to put that there to see if they even have balls to do it...haha I said balls....*sighs*

I've seen that.  And favorited it.  Butthurt idiots on the Internet aside (I'm referring to the dA drama), it makes a very good point concisely.

Tyranny of the majority is not an acceptable solution.  Not in politics, not in religion, not in civil liberties, and not even in something "for fun" like video games.

I followed the link and can't BELIEVE the denial in the comments!!!

"Sure femshep has less options, Jacob cheated on her and Thane became a red shirt but that doesn't mean it's sexist!!"

Are you kidding? You even have people insisting Thane got a paramour achievement even when it says in the description he doesn't! Then you have the people that only see more gay options for femshep "Why is this sexist? What, you don't think there should be lesbian options??!! *rabble rabble*!!!" Talk about COMPLETELY missing the point!

Femshep's options got scrapped maleshep got more added on, that is sexist , end of!

I know right? There are some idiots on there that do miss the point and pretty much don't read what the desciptian says before commenting...Selfphobia wasn't attacking the gays and lesbians she was trying to make a point that Femshep(Female gamers) get's unfair treatment and loses 2 LI's while Mshep (Male gamers) get's to keep his....and that points directly of being Sexist  and it is!

Luckily there are some people on there who have commented,understood and support us even though they never have romanced Thane or Jacob!

Yeah I've gotten a lot of stupid comments on my picture. :/
One thing that bothers me a lot is the Femshep players who commented and basically said that they were willing to let the sexism slide because they're so happy with Kaidan/Garrus and have no sense of empathy.

Obviously I'm not talking about all Kaidan/Garrusmancers, only the ones who said that kind of stuff. But had those characters been shafted instead of Thane, I'm sure a lot of us would have helped them out.

And I really feel like printing out 500 copies of the picture, and sending them to Bioware in the mail individually. I still have the original file, I could probably edit or add "#SaveThane" or something else to the bottom. Maybe that way they'll get the damn hint..


Edit: Wow, I just took a look at the Facebook page and we got a bunch of likes recently

Editado por firel, 03 octubre 2012 - 04:49 .

[Roxy]

@firel Y'know sending them 500 copies with #Save Thane on it would be Golden lol!

I saw a link on the forums earlier everybody to Mike gamble's twitter...he said something about they are coming out with a big patch Thursday....

Link

It's probably just for the upcoming DLC...but I thought I'd post about it!

[Sable Rhapsody]

firel wrote...
One thing that bothers me a lot is the Femshep players who commented and basically said that they were willing to let the sexism slide because they're so happy with Kaidan/Garrus and have no sense of empathy.

Obviously I'm not talking about all Kaidan/Garrusmancers, only the ones who said that kind of stuff. But had those characters been shafted instead of Thane, I'm sure a lot of us would have helped them out.

If the LI survey from the Cosmic Love site is any indication, those people are in the minority.  Hell, even ManShep players thought Thane and Jacob's romances were a load of bull.  So even if not everyone speaks up about it, most people sympathize   I'd hate to see the opinions of a few selfish idiots bum you out.

Kaidan's fans were very, very vocal about his treatment in ME2.  I suppose it's fair to say they're reaping the reward for patience in ME3.  And as for Garrus fans, we're well aware that nothing but our hollers for more Garrus got us the romance and the screentime.  It bothers me more that the devs seem to have selective hearing 

Editado por Sable Rhapsody, 03 octubre 2012 - 07:04 .

[DragonSlayer63]

@Roxy @coldwetn0se I, too, believe Thane loved Kolyat and Irikah and just wanted to protect them; I didn't mean to say he didn't care about them. ^^' And I love Thane, I really do, but I just can't help taking Kolyat's side in this issue. LOL I don't even know why I have so much sympathy for him; my parents have always been there for me and I have no idea what Kolyat has been going through. I guess he's just very well written.

@Sable Rhapsody I have mixed feelings about Kolyat's story arc in ME3. I'm glad he had some development and was being more mature, yes... But I'm not sure what to think about Thane's line: "You speak like the priests do, you've been spending time with them." It's like Kolyat only talks with priests to please his dying father; like he pities him, or still desperately seeks his father's acceptance. (Plus, there is no emotion shown between the two in the death scene, like there is no between Thane and Shep. >.<' In ME2 Kolyat was _crying_ when he was reunited with his father, but when Thane dies... nothing. Argh.)

firel wrote...
One thing that bothers me a lot is the Femshep players who commented and basically said that they were willing to let the sexism slide because they're so happy with Kaidan/Garrus and have no sense of empathy.

Uh I can't believe how some people are so... selfish. >.<' I was always kinda "meh" about Jacob, but I was stunned when I played ME3 the first time and found out he was dating Brynn. I asked my brother: "But... wait... what if Shepard romanced him?" He said, "Then he cheats on her." Me, "What?! But what has Shepard to say about that?!" He, "Well, f*ck." That's pretty much what I thought, too. I dunno, maybe it was easy to sympathize with Jacobmancers because my LI got shafted, too. It's kinda horrible to think that had I romanced Garrus, I maybe wouldn't care about Jacob's and Thane's poor treatment at all.

...No, wait, I would still care. I like to romance different characters in my different playthroughs, but what's the point when you know that your LI is going to die/cheat on you? In my current ME2 playthrough I'm romancing Garrus and I feel a bit bad about it. I feel like I'm doing just what BW wants me to do: forget Thane and choose some of those "right" romance options. But I just don't think I can ever import Thane romance in ME3 again, so...

Editado por DragonSlayer63, 03 octubre 2012 - 12:10 .

[DineBoo]

I am a Garrusmancer who is very unhappy with how they treated Thane and Jacob. Mostly because of how femShep was treated compared to broShep. So please don't think Garrus lovers are fine with the game just because we got our Turian. Though I undersysnd why you'd think.that way.

[DragonSlayer63]

@DineBoo If you're referring to my post: I didn't mean to say all Kaidan or Garrusmancers are like that, and I'm sorry if I made it sound like it. I might have chosen my words poorly. I'm sure most of the Garrusmancers see the problem in Jacob's and Thane's treatment -- I just think it might be easier for them to ignore it. So yeah, I'm glad to hear you agree that femShep wasn't treated fairly. It's good to know we Thane and Jacobmancers are not alone with that opinion.

[LliiraAnna]

I can`t say that I`m a Kaidan, Garrus, Thane or whoever else fan. I love them all XD. But I agree, Jacob`s and Thane`s romances were really messed up.
I mean, Kaidan`s and Liara`s romances begin in ME1, carry over through ME2 to ME3 and develop further. Garrus is present in all three parts of the game with romance starting in ME2 and developing in ME3. Thane`s and Jacob`s begin in ME2 and in ME3 you get as good as nothing.
I have nothing against Thane`s death, because somehow I always knew he would die. But the devs should have at least added more dialogues to him. As for the cure, if it exists, it should be explained, why wasn`t he cured. If he refused - then why? Maybe he didn`t want to bother Shepard with additional problems?
I wouldn`t have anything against Jacob cheating if he would somehow explain himself. But due to the lack of dialogues in both cases it really feels somehow... awkward. Imo.

Editado por LliiraAnna, 03 octubre 2012 - 03:19 .

[coldwetn0se]

New Quotes of the Week on the Cosmic Love site are up!

Attention all Thane, Garrus, Kaidan, Jacob - mancers! Hi....
I have a favor to ask of any/all of you. Are any of you interested in sharing screenshots of your Shepard with their LI's of choice? Yes? Fantastic! Just check out the Cosmic Love blog for our new Screenshot Thursday section. Instructions are located on the site, but feel free to PM me, if you would like to submit.
(hehehe...submit. My mind is truly in the gutter today.) Come on my pretties....think of the children!! XD

@LliiraAnna - Thank you for an very empathetic stance. We too wish they would have included answers to these questions. Not to mention more time with our chosen LI's, and no negating of those very legimate choices we made in the previous game. I'm getting "Sucka" tattooed across my forehead, since all of my Fem!Sheps chose Thane. And out of 5 of them, only one had an LI in ME1. The rest were alone Sheps in ME1. *facepalm* I am so not the customer they were looking for....(haha. See wut I did thar??)

[wildannie]

LliiraAnna wrote...

I can`t say that I`m a Kaidan, Garrus, Thane or whoever else fan. I love them all XD. But I agree, Jacob`s and Thane`s romances were really messed up.
I mean, Kaidan`s and Liara`s romances begin in ME1, carry over through ME2 to ME3 and develop further. Garrus is present in all three parts of the game with romance starting in ME2 and developing in ME3. Thane`s and Jacob`s begin in ME2 and in ME3 you get as good as nothing.
I have nothing against Thane`s death, because somehow I always knew he would die. But the devs should have at least added more dialogues to him. As for the cure, if it exists, it should be explained, why wasn`t he cured. If he refused - then why? Maybe he didn`t want to bother Shepard with additional problems?
I wouldn`t have anything against Jacob cheating if he would somehow explain himself. But due to the lack of dialogues in both cases it really feels somehow... awkward. Imo.

Thanks for your support ,  I would have loved a cure (of course) but the lack of explanation and exploration as to why he is still refusing treatment etc was quite unforgivable.  re Jacob... even with an explanation that would still have been unforgivable, it seems to me that the writers at BW thought they were better than they actually are, they thought they were being smart, gritty, realistic but didn't have any perspective on how the product would feel to those fans who were invested in those storylines... or maybe they did have perspective, and just didn't give a Sh**.

[firel]

I'm pretty sure they knew but didn't care, didn't have time so they spent all of it on Mshep's ****.

But honestly the Jacob thing was just so stupid.. all they had to do was make it so that Brynn wasnt pregnant, had a reunion scene with him and a conversation like.. "When this whole reaper thing is over, we'll get back together." and then a make out scene or something and that's it.. Jack and Miranda type treatment there, but way better than what Jacobmancers got.
It's so pathetic..

Editado por firel, 03 octubre 2012 - 09:12 .

[Askeebe]

I only watched the Jacob scenes on YT, but when I did, was aghast. Everything in there went against FemShep's character. She's the horrible stlker girlfriend, and every line in there made me cringe. All I could think was that the writer must have had a bad breakup and was using that as inspiration. Jacob cheating was bad enough, but Shep's reaction just felt so awful and wrong.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Askeebe wrote...
 All I could think was that the writer must have had a bad breakup and was using that as inspiration.

This is what I thought when I met Cernd in Baldur's Gate 2 for the first time.  Seriously, that guy's life just blows, to almost comical proportions.  My best friend and I have a crack theory that he was used for some writer's bad revenge fanfiction or something.

coldwetn0se wrote...
I have a favor to ask of any/all of you. Are any of you interested in sharing screenshots of your Shepard with their LI's of choice? Yes? Fantastic! Just check out the Cosmic Love blog for our new Screenshot Thursday section. Instructions are located on the site, but feel free to PM me, if you would like to submit.
(hehehe...submit. My mind is truly in the gutter today.) Come on my pretties....think of the children!! XD

You are a dirty old lady 

And now you're tempting me to reinstall ME3.  That hasn't been on my computer since the reformat, but I might just do it for the children.

[coldwetn0se]

yay! good....just submit, darling. ya know you want to. *snicker* We already have a set of Kaidan+Shep pics to run tomorrow (it's one of the founders of the site, since we didn't have any takers at present). We can easily run yours next thursday. We are looking for 2-4 screenies, plus a mini bio. mostly related to time/place said screenies were snapped. But I think Shepard's name, alignment, romance, and whether the pics are in ME1, ME2, or me3. Ya get's da point.

[Roxy]

@Coldi I have a couple of Shep & Thane pics I would like to share...so I have to do a mini bio if I do this?

Editado por Roxy, 04 octubre 2012 - 04:50 .