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[Tinve]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

I'm sorry what?

I'm talking about the movies Thane/Nassana and Altair/Tamir

[Lucky Thirteen]

Plakto wrote...

That's just the thing. I'm not afraid that Thane will get an "Kaiden in ME3" appearance, I'm afraid he'll get an "Laira in LOTSB". One mission. One goal, just to wrap his romance / storyline up.

I'm almost certain that's how it will be. LotSB was a tester for a handful of things, such as level design, and I'm thinking a single mission is in store for all of them, perhaps even some kind of cycle. You may start off with one character, but part way through they have to leave for some reason and another character comes in to replace them. I had a sliver of thought that a romanced character will be able to join Shepard after their mission. Then it becomes a problem for fans who love the character but of course didn't romance them and want them back.

Personally I don't have a big problem with having most or all of the characters like what was in LotSB for Liara. It was a satisfying amount of Liara face time, even though I don't like her. I think it helps Bioware a great deal story wise so they can fit more in. I think the reason a lot of the characters in ME2 had such short dialogue trees was because there was too much going on Bioware couldn't put more into character development.  In ME3, with each character getting their own major mission that is interwoven with the major plot, something that is longer than a recruitment and loyalty combined, everyone is going to be satisfied.

That was one of the complaints many people had about ME2, the recruitment/loyalty missions didn't really add much to the major plot but the fact you were recruiting and keeping them. A lot of people think ME2 was pointless, but as we are seeing now not so much since several of the characters have something going on to help Shepard against the Reapers. 

[Verly]

 ok, I think Angua33 over at Deviant Art is trying to kill us all with Hot Thane action. here is her latest

http://fav.me/d4b9lqk

Modifié par Verly, 29 septembre 2011 - 10:31 .

[Cosmochyck]

Verly wrote...

 ok, I think Angua33 over at Deviant Art is trying to kill us all with Hot Thane action. here is her latest

http://fav.me/d4b9lqk

Ok I have decided that she IS definitely trying to kill us.  I need a shower...

Modifié par Cosmochyck, 29 septembre 2011 - 10:50 .

[JECWSU]

Plakto wrote...

JECWSU wrote...

I'm hoping that going to Kahje means something more than a cameo for Thane. I'm really looking forward to being able to visit Kahje.

That's just the thing. I'm not afraid that Thane will get an "Kaiden in ME3" appearance, I'm afraid he'll get an "Laira in LOTSB". One mission. One goal, just to wrap his romance / storyline up.

That wouldn't make me happy at all. I really don't want Thane to get some LotSB type mission just to wrap things up for him. Especially if he is the only one that gets it. I'm really hope that doesn't happen.

[Enmystic]

Plakto wrote...

That's just the thing. I'm not afraid that Thane will get an "Kaiden in ME3" appearance, I'm afraid he'll get an "Laira in LOTSB". One mission. One goal, just to wrap his romance / storyline up.

I don't think Bioware will diss any of the characters or romances.  Bioware said that if you cared about the characters and kept them alive those characters will return in ME3.  I don't really know what to say about the squad mate situation anymore.

I think Bioware is aware of the support for Thane by now, and they won't ditch him.  Hopefully we can save him too.  Keep Thane alive in ME3, Bioware!

@Verly
I've had the "anime nosebleed" reaction to some of Angua 33's art.  I think she does it on purpose sometimes, but I don't blame her.  She, yuhime and Dashiana, among others, have some really well done art.

[Verly]

haha, I know @Enmystic I am a big fan of her art. I was only joking about my reaction to the latest one.

[Silver77nz]

I don't know if this has been posted but Thane needs some love!
www.youtube.com/user/aislinntrista24#p/a/u/2/_qyQsRMIYbk

I really hope Thane doesn't die I know that will make me cry:crying: They wouldn't do that to us who love Thane?! There is just something about Shep and his relationship that is so deep and special. Thane deserves love and happiness:wub::innocent:

Modifié par Silverpearl1977, 30 septembre 2011 - 09:35 .

[Enmystic]

Silverpearl1977 wrote...

I don't know if this has been posted but Thane needs some love!
www.youtube.com/user/aislinntrista24#p/a/u/2/_qyQsRMIYbk

I really hope Thane doesn't die I know that will make me cry:crying: They wouldn't do that to us who love Thane?! There is just something about Shep and his relationship that is so deep and special. Thane deserves love and happiness:innocent:

Aislinn's work is always a pleasure to watch. 

I agree, Thane needs love.  His romance was really well done and hopefully Bioware will let us keep Thane if we want to go the extra mile for him.  It might be difficult but after everything he's gone through I hope Shepard can help give Thane a happy life again. 

[Cosmochyck]

Silverpearl1977 wrote...

I don't know if this has been posted but Thane needs some love!
www.youtube.com/user/aislinntrista24#p/a/u/2/_qyQsRMIYbk

I really hope Thane doesn't die I know that will make me cry:crying: They wouldn't do that to us who love Thane?! There is just something about Shep and his relationship that is so deep and special. Thane deserves love and happiness:wub::innocent:

Ok after watching that (and almost shedding a tear for fear he'll die on my Shep!), we DEFINITELY need Thane back in a proper way.  Not just a quick mission, not just to hastily wrap up a romance and not a Horizon moment. 

And this has probably been covered, but when and where does he write her that letter?  I have never come across it!  

[JECWSU]

I don't know if he wrote it before or after the suicide mission. The game never really tells you.  It has been disscused, but I can't remember what people came up with.

Did you play LotSB yet? It's in his dossier in LotSB, and only a Shepard that romanced Thane will get the letter.

Modifié par JECWSU, 30 septembre 2011 - 02:11 .

[Lucky Thirteen]

I know the letter does not show until after the suicide mission. Had a friend do that. (And for the person asking, the letter will show up in his dossier on the Shadow Broker base)

My question is, if you don't sleep with him and tell him he's just got battle jitters before the relay, is the romance still on. I think if the letter shows up and Liara talks about him after the relay, this can possibly confirm it.

Modifié par Lucky Thirteen, 30 septembre 2011 - 02:00 .

[JECWSU]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

I know the letter does not show until after the suicide mission. Had a friend do that. (And for the person asking, the letter will show up in his dossier on the Shadow Broker base)

My question is, if you don't sleep with him and tell him he's just got battle jitters before the relay, is the romance still on. I think if the letter shows up and Liara talks about him after the relay, this can possibly confirm it.

I was actually wondering the same thing. Dose the letter still show up, and if you choose to tell him it's just jitters does that end the romance? I thought it might end the romance, but I'm not sure.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Some facts about the letter:

• It only shows after the suicide mission (even if you've completed LOTSB before that).
• It will also show if Thane happens to die on your suicide mission (provided he was your LI, obviously).
• It will NOT show if you reject Thane during the romance scene.

Now, whether or not he wrote it before the suicide mission is anyone's guess, really. Most likely, he did write it before the suicide mission but we don't really know. As Ava said, this has been discussed at length before so we've kind of covered all theories. Also, turning him down during the romance scene technically doesn't end the romance; you're still involved with him, you just never got physical. Even so, the letter won't show if that happens.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 30 septembre 2011 - 05:08 .

[Lucky Thirteen]

Thank you fiery!

So we just need to confirm if Liara talks to Shepard about Thane now if rejected at the love scene.

If she still does, that means technically they are in a relationship still. They just haven't gotten physical. It would be like what was in ME1, if rejecting sex with the LI at the love scene, you would still have their picture on the desk in ME2 because technically there is a relationship.

I think that makes for a good little love story if there is nothing physical between the couple till ME3.


edit: and about the letter still showing if you completed the romance and he dies on the SM. Liara with all LI will talk to Shepard about the LI as if they are still alive even if they died at the SM. I call fault on the game mechanics and over sight. Someone somewhere assumed if you completed the romance you won't let them die on the SM.

Modifié par Lucky Thirteen, 30 septembre 2011 - 07:11 .

[JECWSU]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

I think that makes for a good little love story if there is nothing physical between the couple till ME3.

I actually like the idea of nothing physical happening between them until ME3 myself. I have never chosen that option, because I always felt it was like a rejection. If it doesn't end the romance then I don't know why you still don't get the letter.

I hope ME3 acknowledges the difference, and doesn't assume that everyone picked the option to comfort him. It seems that most people did pick it though.

Modifié par JECWSU, 30 septembre 2011 - 07:35 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

LT is right. Simply rejecting the romance scene doesn't break you up. The only way to stop the romance is to talk to Thane directly and tell him that you don't want to continue the relationship, which can be done at any time on the ship. It was the same in ME1 as LT said. Some people have reported that they rejected sleeping with Ashley/Kaidan but they still were involved with them in ME2.

As to why you don't get the letter if you turn Thane down, we don't know. But I want to say it makes sense... in a way.

[Silver77nz]

We do know we are going to Kajhe right? Hopefully that is good news! I'm sure that is where we will see Thane and his son. I really hope I get him back as a squad member. He is one of the best ones I had.

[Cosmochyck]

Ok thanks for all the letter help. Yes, I've done LoTSB, but I guess when I went back to the ship after the suicide mission I must have missed it in all my reading that I had to catch up on.
Thanks!

[Lucky Thirteen]

JECWSU wrote...
I hope ME3 acknowledges the difference, and doesn't assume that everyone picked the option to comfort him. It seems that most people did pick it though.

Besides the sexy times part, ignore sexy times, pretend like they cuddle in bed instead and talk about sports.  

This is the only major difference I see.

The fact that in one option, he's allowed to pour his heart out and cry. Which would explain why he writes the letter, more heart pouring out. He's comfortable with sharing his feelings with Shepard. You have to think, when's the last time he got to do that? Especially, let someone else see him in such a way?

The other option in my opinion basically tells him he's just got battle jitters, nothing to worry about. No heart pouring out, no crying, no letter. Less emotional and more duty first, more inclined to his battle sleep mode. 

So if he does write that letter before going to visit Shepard, he would have to have not bothered saving it yet (cause the moment he saves it is when the SB intercepts it) and went up to talk with Shepard. Being turned away at that point he would just delete it thinking the whole thing was foolish.

Though I still like to think he writes it sometime after and the reason it shows up the way it does is because of oversight and game mechanics. I think he writes it when he is more adjusted to letting his emotions go with the relationship. 

[LadyCass]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

So we just need to confirm if Liara talks to Shepard about Thane now if rejected at the love scene.

My Renegade romanced Thane, told him to man up at the romance scene, and accidentally got him killed during the SM (she's on a rage-fuelled revenge rampage now ). Liara asked my Shep if she was doing all this for Thane (talk about foot in mouth). So yeah, looks like Thane's romance continues after "rejection" in the romance scene. I believe that's the case for Miranda as well, but Jack, Jacob, Garrus and Tali, if rejected, are no longer in the relationship. This sort of makes sense since Thane and Miranda are the ones most likely to understand Shep wanting to focus on the mission first without taking it personally.

[JECWSU]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

JECWSU wrote...
I hope ME3 acknowledges the difference, and doesn't assume that everyone picked the option to comfort him. It seems that most people did pick it though.

Besides the sexy times part, ignore sexy times, pretend like they cuddle in bed instead and talk about sports.  

This is the only major difference I see.

The fact that in one option, he's allowed to pour his heart out and cry. Which would explain why he writes the letter, more heart pouring out. He's comfortable with sharing his feelings with Shepard. You have to think, when's the last time he got to do that? Especially, let someone else see him in such a way?

The other option in my opinion basically tells him he's just got battle jitters, nothing to worry about. No heart pouring out, no crying, no letter. Less emotional and more duty first, more inclined to his battle sleep mode. 

So if he does write that letter before going to visit Shepard, he would have to have not bothered saving it yet (cause the moment he saves it is when the SB intercepts it) and went up to talk with Shepard. Being turned away at that point he would just delete it thinking the whole thing was foolish.

Though I still like to think he writes it sometime after and the reason it shows up the way it does is because of oversight and game mechanics. I think he writes it when he is more adjusted to letting his emotions go with the relationship. 

That does make sense, and I guess I couldn't blame him for not saving it if he already wrote it. I still have trouble picking that option even if it doesn't end the romance. He just seems to put those walls back up again.

I'm still hoping we get to talk to him about the letter. That would be a very interesting, and emotional conversation. 

[Fiery Phoenix]

Exactly. He wouldn't have saved the letter until AFTER he visited Shepard (assuming she didn't reject him, of course).

You could think of it as a gesture of being unsure whether he will make it through the suicide mission, so he wanted to guarantee that he wouldn't miss anything and at least leave something from him for Shepard to see once he's gone from her. In a way, it is similar to Samara insisting on going after Morinth right away rather than waiting until later even though she has been searching for her for centuries on end. She simply has no reason to believe she will survive the mission, and she actually implies as much if you ask her. So why not take the safer side and get things over with while you know you can?

If I were on Thane's shoes, I would make sure to have the letter written and ready BEFORE going through the Omega-4 Relay. It's only the logical thing to do under these circumstances. 

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 01 octobre 2011 - 06:42 .

[Lucky Thirteen]

If he wrote it before, and didn't save it till after he talked to Shepard, then can turn around and delete it, that means to me he was unsure if he loved her. It makes the letter feel more impulsive, written out of fear and not love. Sounds like, maybe I love you, I should talk to you first cause my training to keep my emotions in check might just be failing me. Keep it if I'm sure and delete it it if I'm not.

That's what bugs me about thinking that he wrote it before, cause he can just as easily delete it once he gets back to his room. The letter suddenly means nothing if it is before the SM, because he's just writing out of fear not love.

Then if you throw back in that they didn't just cuddle and got actually physical, he's basing his feelings on having sex with Shepard.

[JECWSU]

Maybe he's not sure if she loves him. He might not know if she feels the same. Why pour your heart out to someone who doesn't return your feelings. If I wrote someone a love letter, and then found out that they didn't feel the same way I wouldn't keep the letter. Maybe if he delete's the letter it's because he feels foolish for having feelings for someone who doesn't feel the same.