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[Fiery Phoenix]

I'm with Ava on this one. Although, I do have to admit that the first time I read the letter I unconsciously assumed that it was written post-SM. It wasn't until I got to discuss it with you guys in the other thread that led me to consider the other possibility.

[Cosmochyck]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

If he wrote it before, and didn't save it till after he talked to Shepard, then can turn around and delete it, that means to me he was unsure if he loved her. It makes the letter feel more impulsive, written out of fear and not love. Sounds like, maybe I love you, I should talk to you first cause my training to keep my emotions in check might just be failing me. Keep it if I'm sure and delete it it if I'm not.

That's what bugs me about thinking that he wrote it before, cause he can just as easily delete it once he gets back to his room. The letter suddenly means nothing if it is before the SM, because he's just writing out of fear not love.

Then if you throw back in that they didn't just cuddle and got actually physical, he's basing his feelings on having sex with Shepard.

Well I wouldn't say the letter was ONLY based on them having sex if things did get physical.   He actually loves her, which I would think was evident from their "chats".  He's just letting her know, plus he knows he's dying so the letter lets her know that he will do what he can until he's gone. 

But I would agree that if it was written before the SM, then it could be strictly fear driven, which then poses a problem for Shep because she wouldn't truly know how he felt.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Cosmochyck wrote...

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But I would agree that if it was written before the SM, then it could be strictly fear driven, which then poses a problem for Shep because she wouldn't truly know how he felt.

Even if the letter is indeed fear-driven, that certainly doesn't overshadow the painfully obvious fact that Thane is in love with Shepard. It's more of a question of whether Shepard herself actually returns his feelings, but I guess that's another topic.

[Cosmochyck]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Cosmochyck wrote...

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But I would agree that if it was written before the SM, then it could be strictly fear driven, which then poses a problem for Shep because she wouldn't truly know how he felt.

Even if the letter is indeed fear-driven, that certainly doesn't overshadow the painfully obvious fact that Thane is in love with Shepard. It's more of a question of whether Shepard herself actually returns his feelings, but I guess that's another topic.

Ok that's true - but my Shep isn't going to just flirt with him for something to do.   I can go see "Mr. Taylor" for that  And since I sort of "initiate" the relationship, I'm assuming my Shep loves him as well.   Or at least lusts for him:devil:

[JECWSU]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Cosmochyck wrote...

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But I would agree that if it was written before the SM, then it could be strictly fear driven, which then poses a problem for Shep because she wouldn't truly know how he felt.

Even if the letter is indeed fear-driven, that certainly doesn't overshadow the painfully obvious fact that Thane is in love with Shepard. It's more of a question of whether Shepard herself actually returns his feelings, but I guess that's another topic.

I agree. It is pretty clear he loves Shepard. He doesn't know how Shepard feels. He knows she cares about him, but that's it. You know if your Shepard returns his feelings, but he doesn't.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I'm sure she does, Cosmochyck; it's just less obvious and as a result open to speculation.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 01 octobre 2011 - 08:03 .

[Cosmochyck]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

I'm sure she does, Cosmochyck; it's just less obvious and as a result open to speculation.

Oh I know - I'm just speaking about MY Shep (which of course is really me drooling over the Drell)

[JECWSU]

We know Shepard feels the same. Maybe in ME3 they will give us the chance to say it.

[Fiery Phoenix]

As most of you already know, I'm a male gamer so I don't particularly feel attracted to Thane or roleplay my FemSheps. Instead, I prefer to think of my Shepard as trying to give comfort to a man who has quite literally been lost for a decade and is nearing the end of his life, rather than approaching him out of purely personal attraction.

I've stated before that I love Thane's romance and find it truly humbling. It's a big part of the reason I've played my FemShep many more times in ME2 than I ever did in ME1 (the remaining part being that ME2 doesn't have Ashley, leaving no point to play my MaleShep more than a couple times). I have always been especially sensitive to emotionally engaging romance stories and Thane's romantic subplot is nothing short of just that for me.

[Cosmochyck]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

As most of you already know, I'm a male gamer so I don't particularly feel attracted to Thane or roleplay my FemSheps. Instead, I prefer to think of my Shepard as trying to give comfort to a man who has quite literally been lost for a decade and is nearing the end of his life, rather than approaching him out of purely personal attraction.

I've stated before that I love Thane's romance and find it truly humbling. It's a big part of the reason I've played my FemShep many more times in ME2 than I ever did in ME1 (the remaining part being that ME2 doesn't have Ashley, leaving no point to play my MaleShep more than a couple times). I have always been especially sensitive to emotionally engaging romance stories and Thane's romantic subplot is nothing short of just that for me.

That is true for me to a point as well - I'm obviously a female gamer but my Shep in ME1 didn't do a romance - Kaidan annoyed me and I wasn't into Liara.  So this time around, I think he's giving her comfort as well as she's been adrift since ME1 and "dead" for 2 years. 

[JECWSU]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

As most of you already know, I'm a male gamer so I don't particularly feel attracted to Thane or roleplay my FemSheps. Instead, I prefer to think of my Shepard as trying to give comfort to a man who has quite literally been lost for a decade and is nearing the end of his life, rather than approaching him out of purely personal attraction.

I've stated before that I love Thane's romance and find it truly humbling. It's a big part of the reason I've played my FemShep many more times in ME2 than I ever did in ME1 (the remaining part being that ME2 doesn't have Ashley, leaving no point to play my MaleShep more than a couple times). I have always been especially sensitive to emotionally engaging romance stories and Thane's romantic subplot is nothing short of just that for me.

That's the reason why I love his romance. For me it doesn't matter how attractive a character might be. If I didn't love his romance I wouldn't have done it.. With Thane I found everything I wanted in a romance for my Shepard. There really isn't one thing that I don't love about it.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Apart from Liara (obviously) I think that Shepard shows more care for Thane than any of the LI's. When she sits down for the last conversation before the final romance scene, she asks how he is doing... TWICE. And right in succession of each other too xD

I also think that even if Shep and Thane break up, Shepard lets him down more gently than any of the other LI's. (Of course, it is still heart breaking though!)

As for the letter, I got the impression it was written after the SM, but that Chakwas' medical report was written before romance develops between Thane and Shepard as he refuses to take a chance at surviving (having a lung transplant.)

The love letter doesn't show unless you have done the SM. I guess he could have wrote it before then, but only very recently before the SM. Perhaps straight before or after he went to see Shepard in her quarters...

Also, good to be back

[Lucky Thirteen]

Cosmochyck wrote...

So this time around, I think he's giving her comfort as well as she's been adrift since ME1 and "dead" for 2 years. 

Yes,  they comfort and support each other. I like that. There is some cut dialogue where Thane says "You have many burdens, siha. Remember that I'll help you carry them."

I wish they kept that in the game.

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Otherwise, it's my favorite romance because it can be played subtle. I like subtle.  Don't have to really hit on him, no sex talk, and even on the emotional side it's light until that last scene. 

Modifié par Lucky Thirteen, 02 octobre 2011 - 12:21 .

[Asenza]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

Cosmochyck wrote...

So this time around, I think he's giving her comfort as well as she's been adrift since ME1 and "dead" for 2 years. 

Yes,  they comfort and support each other. I like that. There is some cut dialogue where Thane says "You have many burdens, siha. Remember that I'll help you carry them."

I wish they kept that in the game.

edit: 

Otherwise, it's my favorite romance because it can be played subtle. I like subtle.  Don't have to really hit on him, no sex talk, and even on the emotional side it's light until that last scene. 

I was talking with a friend about the differences with Thane's romance yesterday. Unlike the other two alien love interests (Garrus and Tali), none of Thane's conversations were centered around the "how" and "when" and "could they really" sex *cough* part of the relationship.

However... Thane's illness couldn't be escaped as a topic of conversation. I just hope in ME3 there's more to say, more to talk about. More to learn about him, his people. And maybe a few more romantic interludes that aren't "because we may die tomorrow".

Modifié par Asenza, 02 octobre 2011 - 04:22 .

[Lucky Thirteen]

It's not that I think there was too much, but I do think if there were anymore I would have skipped. More happy times despite gloomy stuff.



Happy Thane makes me happy.

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Apart from Liara (obviously) I think that Shepard shows more care for Thane than any of the LI's. When she sits down for the last conversation before the final romance scene, she asks how he is doing... TWICE. And right in succession of each other too xD

Couldn't help responding to this. I think all the romances have their goods and there bads, I wouldn't say that Shepard cares more for any specific character than others. It's a matter of perception. I don't disagree that she doesn't show a great dear of care for Thane, I've always chuckled at her asking Thane twice about how he's doing. But from my experience with Kaidan and Garrus's romances and watching bits and pieces of Jacob's romance, it seems like she always cares dearly for the person she's with. She may be a powerful badass chick on the battle ground, but she can turn into a big softy just for them. 

Oh and WB to you Tasha.

Modifié par Lucky Thirteen, 02 octobre 2011 - 02:07 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Thane mentions that he has never felt another affection for another species, but you are right, the romance doesn't centre around the difficulties of cross species intercourse like it does with Garrus and Tali. I think that is because Thane has been in love before, something which (I am pretty sure) hasn't happened with team dextro. So Thane doesn't feel the need to focus on the physical aspect.

Mind you, despite that, Thane still oozes sexual magnetism

As for the Shepard in the various romances, your right, this is just my interpretation. I think that Shepard feels different things about different LI's to different degrees. With Garrus, it is security and trust. With Kaidan, it is more about him being there for her when she needs it (the Normandy gets grounded.) Tali is the same as Garrus. And Jacob has dem abs!

Good to be back Lucky Thirteen

[JECWSU]

Welcome back Tasha.

Also being with Shepard isn't potentially dangerous to Thane's health like it is with Tali and Garrus. I agree that Tali and Garrus have probably never been in love before. I don't even think they have had any kind of a relationship unlike Thane.

[Shepenwepet]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...


Otherwise, it's my favorite romance because it can be played subtle. I like subtle.  Don't have to really hit on him, no sex talk, and even on the emotional side it's light until that last scene. 

I'm so glad that was the case. My first playthrough, I had this reaction to the horrid dialogue wheel. Apparently someone else did too, because this picture exists.




There are about a million better ways that Shepard's line could have been paraphrased. This wasn't even in the ballpark. Are we really so blind that we need the romance triggers to be... well, that? Gosh, imagine if that WAS what Shepard said.  Not so sure that would have gone over well.

In fact, it may have gone something like this.

My apologies if your brain shuts down in self defense.

[Verly]

yummy Thane picture spam...also staring my femshep Penny.






I'm thinking the last one will be my next digital art picture.

[Lucky Thirteen]

Shepenwepet wrote...

Lucky Thirteen wrote...


Otherwise, it's my favorite romance because it can be played subtle. I like subtle.  Don't have to really hit on him, no sex talk, and even on the emotional side it's light until that last scene. 

I'm so glad that was the case. My first playthrough, I had this reaction to the horrid dialogue wheel. Apparently someone else did too, because this picture exists.

*snip*


There are about a million better ways that Shepard's line could have been paraphrased. This wasn't even in the ballpark. Are we really so blind that we need the romance triggers to be... well, that? Gosh, imagine if that WAS what Shepard said.  Not so sure that would have gone over well.

In fact, it may have gone something like this.

My apologies if your brain shuts down in self defense.

The thing is, I think Thane could have easly become another ninja mancing character like Liara was in ME1. He essentially gets a crush on femShep unless she screws up on the loyalty mission, calls her Siha regaurdless if she's in a romance with him or not.

It's nice they made that line clear, they could have made that line more to what is actually said though. When I played the first time, I didn't select that option, I didn't select any romance options with him, cause at the time I had no interest in him and was avoiding it. But after i finished the SM(and accidently killed him and felt horrible)  I was able to go back to an earlier save that was at the end of his dialogue tree and romance him. I didn't have to select any of the previous lines hitting on him, didn't have to go back very far at all.

Though instead of being a ninjamance, he's just a really easy one because of his crush on femShep. 

[Fiery Phoenix]

I suppose that's a fair point, LT. Still, "I want you, Thane," is a little too explicit for my tastes.

[Lucky Thirteen]

At least what she actually says isn't like that. At least what she actually says is "I'm here for you Thane, whatever you need." Which does sound more friendly and I can see people thinking it wasn't a romance line.

[Shepenwepet]

@Lucky Thirteen I'd even accept "I'm here for you" as the wheel option, while, yes, it could be misinterpreted as just being friendly, and thus create more problems than it solves, it doesn't have the "I'm gonna launch myself across this table right now, so move your coffee" sound to it. I'm sure many people shrunk away from the "I want you" option, after seeing how Jacob's romance started off, because Shepard is certainly capable of saying what's on her mind.

Shepard: Is there a Mrs. Krios?
Thane:

I find both of the conversation options on the wheel are bad. "Just focus on your son" sounds incredibly cold, especially considering Thane has just opened up to Shepard, but that could be all in the scolding tone of voice I could hear in my head as I read it.
What's the actual line there?