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[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I agree!

Those who look at Thane and only see as far as his illness are the narrow minded ones. I think those who understand him try to imagine what he was like before, and see that his personality that is separate to his illness.

If anything, I think that one of the most defining parts of his character is that he has been trained as an assassin since the age of 6. Your life as a child has a huge impact on the kind of individual you turn out to be. His career has affected his family, his beliefs, and his very character. Why his illness is so major when compared to that I cannot understand.

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Modifié par Tasha vas Nar Rayya, 09 octobre 2011 - 02:22 .

[Plakto]

So...i take a break and come back to find out that Bioware has offically confirmed Thane death? what the hell?

We get one mission? He's temporary? Sorry but I am not taking this well. Basically bioware is screwing over everyone that didn't bang tali or Garrus or Liara.

Now ME3 will stay on the shelf until its 20 dollars. This is bull****.

*edit*

He may not die, but the word "temporary" is making me gag.

Modifié par Plakto, 09 octobre 2011 - 02:55 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Plakto wrote...

So...i take a break and come back to find out that Bioware has offically confirmed Thane death? what the hell?

We get one mission? He's temporary? Sorry but I am not taking this well. Basically bioware is screwing over everyone that didn't bang tali or Garrus or Liara.

Now ME3 will stay on the shelf until its 20 dollars. This is bull****.

Okay, you're doing that awful thing fans sometimes do.

Look.  Garrus is my favorite squadmate.  I got lucky.  But if he had a very minor and temporary role, so long as it was good, I'd still pay full price for the game.

Because there are so many more reasons to play these games other than my favorite character.

You can do what you will, but it seems like you're overreacting a little.  Kind of like how I flipped out when I saw the Ashley redesign.

Besides, if anything, this mission hints that Thane can be cured, not that he will die.

[JECWSU]

I understand why they are upset. I'm not exactly happy with this news either.

We only get one mission, and that's it. There is no guarantee that it's a good mission, and it could be one of the shortest in the game. I don't see how we can fully continue our relationship with him if he isn't with us at least part of the time.

I'm trying to be optimistic, but it's really becoming hard.

Modifié par JECWSU, 09 octobre 2011 - 03:05 .

[Plakto]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Plakto wrote...

So...i take a break and come back to find out that Bioware has offically confirmed Thane death? what the hell?

We get one mission? He's temporary? Sorry but I am not taking this well. Basically bioware is screwing over everyone that didn't bang tali or Garrus or Liara.

Now ME3 will stay on the shelf until its 20 dollars. This is bull****.

Okay, you're doing that awful thing fans sometimes do.

Look.  Garrus is my favorite squadmate.  I got lucky.  But if he had a very minor and temporary role, so long as it was good, I'd still pay full price for the game.

Because there are so many more reasons to play these games other than my favorite character.

You can do what you will, but it seems like you're overreacting a little.  Kind of like how I flipped out when I saw the Ashley redesign.

Besides, if anything, this mission hints that Thane can be cured, not that he will die.

A knee jerk reaction. that was posted several sections after I read the update. Not justifying it, but stating as it is. I reacted, flipped, to be sure. I was expect no less from your behalf in the event that you found out your favorite squaddie Garrus or whomever,  was only temporary and had a minor part in the game as a whole. With only one mission and potentially die. They are important to you and you wanted to wrap things up with them; whomever they be. Do not accuse me of overreacting when I just found out my favorite squaddie may very well bite the bullet. The word 'temprorary' is a kick in the gut - my reaction is justified.

That said, I going to buy the game. Full price, at launch. Because I enjoy being an adept. I am just angry that I won't have my favorite squaddie with me past one mission. You would be the same.

Modifié par Plakto, 09 octobre 2011 - 03:09 .

[Plakto]

JECWSU wrote...

I understand why they are upset. I'm not exactly happy with this news either.

We only get one mission, and that's it. There is no guarantee that it's a good mission and it could be one of the shortest in the game. I don't see how we can fully continue our relationship with him if he isn't with us at least part of the time.

Because more people like Tali, Garrus, Liara, etc. hell, I wouldn't be shocked at all if they were the only full term squaddie (with maybe Miranda or Jack). But Bioware has accepted that they can't please everyone and toss us on the landmine for the greater sale.

I am angry. They are killing him. I can't think of any other means to make him temporary, especially if it's just a side mission, and then turn around and keep him alive.

[AdmiralCheez]

Oh yeah, I get how frustrating it is. But you know, I liked what they did and are doing with Wrex (who is my all-time favorite, but in the non-LI way), so maybe something like LotSB-lite would work? You get to go on a cool mission, and then at the end you can have a private scene with him?

I still honestly think that everybody will come back for the final act. For epicness and lulz.

But still, it could be worse; imagine how the Jacobmancers must feel.

[AdmiralCheez]

Plakto wrote...

I am angry. They are killing him. I can't think of any other means to make him temporary, especially if it's just a side mission, and then turn around and keep him alive.

Oddly enough, all the Thane non-fans took the same news as confirmation that he'd be cured and would live happily ever after.

[Plakto]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Oh yeah, I get how frustrating it is. But you know, I liked what they did and are doing with Wrex (who is my all-time favorite, but in the non-LI way), so maybe something like LotSB-lite would work? You get to go on a cool mission, and then at the end you can have a private scene with him?

I still honestly think that everybody will come back for the final act. For epicness and lulz.

But still, it could be worse; imagine how the Jacobmancers must feel.

that last sentence better be a damn joke. Unless of course, jacob is dying of lung cancer. He isn't? If he is dying at all I will take salt on my foot in my mouth, but if he isn't do no even attempt to relate how limited appearance in game is somehow  "better off" then killing my squaddie.

[Plakto]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Plakto wrote...

I am angry. They are killing him. I can't think of any other means to make him temporary, especially if it's just a side mission, and then turn around and keep him alive.

Oddly enough, all the Thane non-fans took the same news as confirmation that he'd be cured and would live happily ever after.

Blind Optimism. You know this.

[JECWSU]

Plakto wrote...

JECWSU wrote...

I understand why they are upset. I'm not exactly happy with this news either.

We only get one mission, and that's it. There is no guarantee that it's a good mission and it could be one of the shortest in the game. I don't see how we can fully continue our relationship with him if he isn't with us at least part of the time.

Because more people like Tali, Garrus, Liara, etc. hell, I wouldn't be shocked at all if they were the only full term squaddie (with maybe Miranda or Jack). But Bioware has accepted that they can't please everyone and toss us on the landmine for the greater sale.

I am angry. They are killing him. I can't think of any other means to make him temporary, especially if it's just a side mission, and then turn around and keep him alive.

This mission also seems to be early in the game. Then what is Thane doing for the rest of the game?  Will we even get to see him at the end.

They also say we will be content with his inclusion. I'm not so sure about that. At this point I don't have much faith in Bioware, because their definition of content and mine I'm sure are different.

[Plakto]

JECWSU wrote...

Plakto wrote...

JECWSU wrote...

I understand why they are upset. I'm not exactly happy with this news either.

We only get one mission, and that's it. There is no guarantee that it's a good mission and it could be one of the shortest in the game. I don't see how we can fully continue our relationship with him if he isn't with us at least part of the time.

Because more people like Tali, Garrus, Liara, etc. hell, I wouldn't be shocked at all if they were the only full term squaddie (with maybe Miranda or Jack). But Bioware has accepted that they can't please everyone and toss us on the landmine for the greater sale.

I am angry. They are killing him. I can't think of any other means to make him temporary, especially if it's just a side mission, and then turn around and keep him alive.

This mission also seems to be early in the game. Then what is Thane doing for the rest of the game?  Will we even get to see him at the end.

They also say we will be content with his inclusion. I'm not so sure about that. At this point I don't have much faith in Bioware, because their definition of content and mine I'm sure are different.

You and I feel the same way. "inclusion". "temporary", "SECOND"   mission....wtf. He comes out early in the game and this mission is his inclusion? They are killing him. no use denying it so you can get my money.

Bioware: They guise! Welcome to ME3! We know how long you've been waitnig! One thing though....

*saves krogan princess, murder-knifes Thane in the jungle*

Bioware: now that that's out of the way, we can get started!!!

[JECWSU]

Plakto wrote...

You and I feel the same way. "inclusion". "temporary", "SECOND"   mission....wtf. He comes out early in the game and this mission is his inclusion? They are killing him. no use denying it so you can get my money.

Bioware: They guise! Welcome to ME3! We know how long you've been waitnig! One thing though....

*saves krogan princess, murder-knifes Thane in the jungle*

Bioware: now that that's out of the way, we can get started!!!

They give us one mission, and then turn around and kill him anyway would be the worst thing they could do.  I know some say if it's written well then they don't mind. I also have no faith in it being written well at this point either.

I don't even know why people who don't want him cured are complaining. He's barely going to be in the game.

[Enmystic]

Okay, breathe everyone!

If I stick my foot in my mouth during any part of this post feel free to correct me.  I have a tendency towards doing that.

We don't have details on how the squad mate thing is going to work right now.  At least I don't.  It's possible that everyone's getting a mission or two, it may not be just Thane.  I have not seen Bioware state anything in particular about Thane's current state of health.  If anything, if he has a mission, that means he's fighting ready so there's some good news.

It's just one article and it's not even that long.  The word "temporary" may not even mean one mission.  He might be around for several, but we'll just have to wait and see.

Where in that one article does it say "he dies"?  There might be a reason why those Hanar scientists were taken captive on Invictus.  Chances are that success during that mission might mean good things for Thane.  I don't see anything ruling out a choice.  Nothing was mentioned other than his illness.  We may still get to save him, or at the very least, extend his life. 

If he does get a treatment or a cure wouldn't it make sense that Thane sit out a while to recover anyway?

[AdmiralCheez]

Plakto wrote...

Blind Optimism. You know this.

Blind optimism?  They were pissed as hell.

THEY CAN'T CURE THANE IT'S FANSERVICE AND CHEAPENS THE STORY BAAAWWW.

I threatened to give them a paddlin'.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Slightly unrelated to the topic at hand, but since this info surfaced, I have come across a few people saying that Thane shouldn't be running around the galaxy killing or looking for help/a cure and should instead be on his death bed. Well, sirs, evidently you've never read his romance-specific letter to FemShep from LOTSB, because otherwise you'd know why he will never be like that. In particular, this portion:

[...]

I once accepted my fate. Nothing remained but a shell destined to die. I only had to choose the when and how of my passing. I had refused to be confined to a bed, gasping horribly as my life beeped away to machinery I had no use for. I thought of my Irikah, broken, bloodied, and betrayed by my absence. Of Kolyat, small and afraid, bravely pushing at his eyes to stem the flow of tears I had entrusted to him to cry... for both our sakes.

[...]

[Tootles FTW]

Holy crap, you guys had me backtracking in this thread to see what all the fuss was about...and for what??  I didn't get the impression from that OXM blurb that 1) Thane is restricted to one mission, and 2) he dies.  In fact, I find is rather heartening that the first mission (that we know of) to involve Thane also directly involves a cure for Keplar's Syndrome - this speaks to good things in the future for his health, or at least the option for good things if you choose to influence him in that direction.

Honestly, I think too much of a deal is being made in regards to permanent/temporary squaddie status.  I thought Casey Hudson even mentioned not to put too much stock into the word "permanent" anyways?  I figure that we'll have VS/Vega/Liara as our main crew, with Tali and Garrus as mostly permanent.  But I also assume that most every other core mission will directly involve one or more of our squaddies from ME1 and/or ME2. 

And even if Thane is only directly involved in two or three missions, as long as he has a lot of LI-specific content immediately following those missions I won't be bothered at all.  Sure, I'd like all LIs available to be bunk buddies on the Normandy, but it's also wartime and I respect that Thane might be off helping in some other capacity.  Our love scenes will simply have to be in more exotic locales than the Commander's bedroom, and that ain't a bad thing!    And if DA2 is anything to go by, the option of living with your love interest might be more underwhelming (content-wise) than you imagine.

[edit - aaaand, Enmystic's post above basically says everything that I just regurgitated...ah well!]

Modifié par Tootles FTW, 09 octobre 2011 - 05:31 .

[CrimsonLuna]

It would suck if Thane is  only a temporary squad mate.
He is such a deep and great  character ,Maybe he will join in at end ? final battle or something....
I'll just stay hopeful and wait.

[JeffZero]

Plakto wrote...
that last sentence better be a damn joke. Unless of course, jacob is dying of lung cancer. He isn't? If he is dying at all I will take salt on my foot in my mouth, but if he isn't do no even attempt to relate how limited appearance in game is somehow "better off" then killing my squaddie.

Thane's terminal illness is a part of his character, of course; whether or not he's treatable is up to the writers but it's their story, they can go one way or the other with it and still have him either hop aboard the Normandy afterward or not.

I... really... don't get why you think this is confirmation that Thane is auto-dying in ME3. Many ME2-introduced squadmates are almost certainly taking the Wrex approach in ME3 given the limited squadmate roster -- fighting the good fight on different corners of the galaxy map. Thane could quite conceivably survive his mission and continue to protect these hanar scientists of his. Similarly, there's every bit as similar a chance the lukewarm-reception Jacob Taylor will fight alongside the Normandy in a Cerberus-related op, live and continue to fight on the sidelines.

You're posting as though you believe there's no explanation that Thane won't rejoin permanently except that he dies regardless of player action. What about the other ME2-introduced squadmates who have low odds of permanently rejoining? What about them? Jacob almost certainly won't, there's a 50/50 on Jack right now and Miranda might be likely but she's far from confirmed. This is going to be the rule, not the exception; while there's no denying that characters like Liara, Garrus and Tali get around this tough subject due to their overwhelming popularity, Thane's fandom isn't the only one that is going to have to deal with seeing their favorite character only sometimes.

Hell, Legion is my favorite. He's no LI so he's got pretty low odds at rejoining permanently. But just because the odds are he won't be involved in the story much beyond the geth/quarian conflict that doesn't mean I assume he's dead meat. Er... metal.

[JECWSU]

CrimsonLuna wrote...

It would suck if Thane is  only a temporary squad mate.
He is such a deep and great  character ,Maybe he will join in at end ? final battle or something....
I'll just stay hopeful and wait.

It does suck that he is only temporary, and we just have one mission with him. Him showing up at the end might be all we get. That isn't what I was hoping for, but I can't do anything about it.

We will just have to continue to wait and see what exactly the do with him.

[hanar05]

Yeah, lets just take a step back.
A lot of this "permanent" and "temporary" stuff is from the magazines and not BioWare themselves.
And we already know that not everything the media has said is true.
The magazines are just going off what they know, they aren't making this game. They probably assume it's going to play out like the previous 2 games, which it may not. Ultimately only BioWare know how things are happening.
There have been suggestions that Garrus, Liara, Tali and the VS are all permanent squadmates in ME3 but I have yet to see this confirmed by BioWare themselves (If they have confirmed this, I am unaware of it) and I keep seeing the devs remind people "nothing can be assumed permanent."

It could be that all squadmates are "temporary" in some way or it could be that each person's game plays out differently. Remember that this is the last game in the trilogy so BioWare has a lot more freedom with the results of people's choices as the game doesn't need to end the same way for everyone this time.

We won't know what's happening for sure until the game is out, so may as well hope for the best!

[wildannie]

I don't think Bioware would have revealed all there is to know about Thane's story to the press - it's just too big a spoiler, so whatever they know can only be part of the story.

What worries me most about joining up with characters for specific missions is that it could mean that we cannot talk to them at will.
If after these missions they are at a location where they can be visited and talked to (like LotSB) it wouldn't be so bad.

My hope from what we have heard is that this Mission ends with Thane getting treatment and then being able to join the crew of the Normandy later on. I also think that if Thane is disloyal, he may go out in a blaze of glory on Invictus.

Modifié par wildannie, 09 octobre 2011 - 09:29 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Unloyal Thane is damn near suicidal as it is. That would make sense, Wildannie.

[wildannie]

@LiveLoveThaneKrios

It is wet, Tasha put the description of it on the OP

Hopefully he'll be okay.