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[Ryzaki]

bluebullets wrote...

Meridith attacks you even if you help her? What the hell?

 

She's crazy. (as everyone well knows) plus it's not as bad as Orsino's "we're winning but I'll go bonkers anyway!" 

[bluebullets]

Oh, I want to kill her; I just don't want her to attack ME after I HELP her.

[TEWR]

Ryzaki wrote...

Also agreed about that being asinine. I really should've been able to lop Grace's head off on sight.

It really goes back to Decimus attacking you for no reason, especially if you have mages in your party.


"They're not Templars, Decimus!"


"What do I care?! I'm a blood mage, trallalalalala!!!"

[bluebullets]

My main problem now is that I don't wanna kill anders

[ThatGamerWithSouvlaki285]

LobselVith8 wrote...

steph285 wrote...

bluebullets wrote...

Please convince me to side with the templars, I just can't do it...
I am playing a reaver/probably templar...

My sister is a mage, it is not the circle's fault but anders, Meridith is f***ing insane... I just can't convince myself to anull an innocent-ish (so many blood mages lol) circle of my sister's kind.

Anybody able to help convince me? Any ideas? lol

A blood mage kills your mother and is though that the guy who did this was helped by orsino. Also more than half the enemies you face on the game are blood mages doing horrible things. What more do you need?

The OP seems to have an issue with killing thousands of men, women, and children who are innocent of what Anders did, and in addition who are innocent are innocent of the actions of criminals outside the Gallows and the actions of one, single man.

i agree with that, an entire group cannot be punished for the actions of a minority within the group. In 2 out of the 3 playthroughs of the game i support mages. All i am saying that considering what hawke had experienced, it no suprise that somebody might support the templars.

[Xewaka]

It's easy. A mage just blew up the Chantry. He wasn't in the Circle, but the populace don't care, they'll want the mages gone. To prevent the rioting and mob lynching that would follow the terrorist attack on the Chantry, the Champion of Kirkwall, defender of the people, has to make the hard choice to help suppress the mages, in the hopes that his/her presence keeps Meredith under check. The Champion is the only one who can talk back to her now, after all.

[bluebullets]

I'd like it better if you saw the link between orsino a nd insanity BEFORE you take sides

[happy_daiz]

bluebullets wrote...

My main problem now is that I don't wanna kill anders

It's sad, but you'll get over it. He's just pixels. 

[Mr.House]

Xewaka wrote...

It's easy. A mage just blew up the Chantry. He wasn't in the Circle, but the populace don't care, they'll want the mages gone. To prevent the rioting and mob lynching that would follow the terrorist attack on the Chantry, the Champion of Kirkwall, defender of the people, has to make the hard choice to help suppress the mages, in the hopes that his/her presence keeps Meredith under check. The Champion is the only one who can talk back to her now, after all.

Pretty much this, If you support the Templars, you can use this or you can be a pure Templar supporter. Hawke even says this many times in the final battle, and to Merrill, which calms down Merrill and she stays with her friend and agrees with Hawke it was takeo ut of her hand.

[TEWR]

bluebullets wrote...

I'd like it better if you saw the link between orsino a nd insanity BEFORE you take sides

I'd like it better if Orsino didn't go insane.

[LobselVith8]

Ryzaki wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

steph285 wrote...

A blood mage kills your mother and is though that the guy who did this was helped by orsino. Also more than half the enemies you face on the game are blood mages doing horrible things. What more do you need?

The OP seems to have an issue with killing thousands of men, women, and children who are innocent of what Anders did, and in addition who are innocent are innocent of the actions of criminals outside the Gallows and the actions of one, single man.

 

First off there's no proof of these "thousands" you get a codex saying "hundreds". 

I thought I wrote down hundreds originally. I probably didn't notice it because of all the times BSN keeps logging me off. I wish TIIC would fix this already.

Mr.House wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

The templar ending is much more coherent. But... Hawke still leaves Kirkwall for some reason.

Sadly we have to assume some mages escaped and warned the other Circles because we didn't see enough of the RoA. If none escaped, then I guess some Templars have very loose lips.

You can spare inocent mages if you side with the Templars, and it makes sense. Not like the horrible mage ending that was just  

Three mages, you mean, who are likely going to be made tranquil based on what Gaider said. It would certainly explain why the mages across the continent respond differently to this Right of Annulment than the prior several Rights that were historically enacted. And the mage ending makes more sense for the mages than the templar ending does.

[Mr.House]

bluebullets wrote...

I'd like it better if you saw the link between orsino a nd insanity BEFORE you take sides

Welcome to the many rush aspects of DA2, Act 3 plot is so rushed it's not even funny.

[Deztyn]

Oh, there's so many good reasons to side with the templars. Hmmm... where do I start...

1) You want to keep order and limit casualties. Siding with the mages means Kirkwall could have to face an Exalted March.

2) You don't believe in a mage revolution. You don't like the Annulment, but the potential chaos that could spread from a successful breakout of the Circle outweighs the loss of innocent mage lives.

3) You want to keep any blood mages or abominations within the Circle from escaping. The Annulment will happen regardless of your choice and you know the mages will lose control when their backs are to the wall.

4) Self-interest. You know you want to be Viscount. You need Templar support for that. You also don't want to be a refugee again and have to start over from scratch somewhere else, while being branded a criminal by the Chantry.

5) Because you can't bring yourself to fight on the opposite side of Cullen. You know you want him.

Edit:

6) 5) You want to protect Bethany. But you know you can't win against the templars, siding with them might give you the opportunity to spare her.

Modifié par Deztyn, 13 juin 2011 - 09:22 .

[Ryzaki]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Also agreed about that being asinine. I really should've been able to lop Grace's head off on sight.

It really goes back to Decimus attacking you for no reason, especially if you have mages in your party.


"They're not Templars, Decimus!"


"What do I care?! I'm a blood mage, trallalalalala!!!"

 

And then everyong going "hey Hawke...you know she's lying right?" 

"Nah she's totally legit! This will defintely not go wrong!" 

******. <_<

[TEWR]

Ryzaki wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Also agreed about that being asinine. I really should've been able to lop Grace's head off on sight.

It really goes back to Decimus attacking you for no reason, especially if you have mages in your party.


"They're not Templars, Decimus!"


"What do I care?! I'm a blood mage, trallalalalala!!!"

 

And then everyong going "hey Hawke...you know she's lying right?" 

"Nah she's totally legit! This will defintely not go wrong!" 

******. <_<

What should've happened was this:

• Hawke enters cavern
  
• Hawke and company converse with all mages and finding out more about them
  
• Hawke has to choose between turning them in or letting them go
  
• If Hawke lets them go, then if they get caught (still on the fence whether that should stay), Grace and Decimus join Thrask in BSC and don't go insane and don't kill one of the very few good Templars we meet.
  
• If Hawke says "I'm going to turn you in", then Decimus attacks you. And then you turn in Grace and she goes insane and kills Thrask in BSC

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 13 juin 2011 - 09:25 .

[LobselVith8]

Ryzaki wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Also agreed about that being asinine. I really should've been able to lop Grace's head off on sight.

It really goes back to Decimus attacking you for no reason, especially if you have mages in your party.


"They're not Templars, Decimus!"


"What do I care?! I'm a blood mage, trallalalalala!!!"

 

And then everyong going "hey Hawke...you know she's lying right?" 

"Nah she's totally legit! This will defintely not go wrong!" 

******. <_< 

That would require Hawke to be proactive, or for Grace to be something other than a cardboard cutout villain who makes no sense.

[Ryzaki]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
What should've happened was this:

• Hawke enters cavern
  
• Hawke and company converse with all mages and finding out more about them
  
• Hawke has to choose between turning them in or letting them go
  
• If Hawke lets them go, then if they get caught (still on the fence whether that should stay), Grace and Decimus join Thrask in BSC and don't go insane and don't kill one of the very few good Templars we meet.
  
• If Hawke says "I'm going to turn you in", then Decimus attacks you. And then you turn in Grace and she goes insane and kills Thrask in BSC

 Would've been vastly preferred. Alas. 

LobselVith8 wrote.

That would require Hawke to be proactive, or for Grace to be something other than a cardboard cutout villain who makes no sense.

Yeah that's asking too much isn't it?  

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 juin 2011 - 09:29 .

[Mr.House]

Graces's whole purpose was to be a woman who makes no sense. CAN'T CHANGE THAT.

[TEWR]

Ryzaki wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
What should've happened was this:

• Hawke enters cavern
  
  
• Hawke and company converse with all mages and finding out more about them
  
  
• Hawke has to choose between turning them in or letting them go
  
  
• If Hawke lets them go, then if they get caught (still on the fence whether that should stay), Grace and Decimus join Thrask in BSC and don't go insane and don't kill one of the very few good Templars we meet.
  
  
• If Hawke says "I'm going to turn you in", then Decimus attacks you. And then you turn in Grace and she goes insane and kills Thrask in BSC

 Would've been vastly preferred. Alas. 

LobselVith8 wrote.

That would require Hawke to be proactive, or for Grace to be something other than a cardboard cutout villain who makes no sense.

Yeah that's asking too much isn't it?  

Definitely would've been preferred. The Mage-Templar rebellion by Thrask still could've been thwarted if you let her go, but by something else. Templar plants or something who had been very careful and had been leaking information to Meredith. and then Samson brings Cullen along.

Thrask gets thrown out of the Templars. Hawke's influence as the Champion can either save or damn the mages.
*Sigh* What could've been.

[Blitzkrieg0811]

bluebullets wrote...

My main problem now is that I don't wanna kill anders

Why? He's not the Anders from Awakening. He's a maniacal, self-righteous terrorist now.

[LobselVith8]

Mr.House wrote...

Graces's whole purpose was to be a woman who makes no sense. CAN'T CHANGE THAT.

So Grace... is the living embodiment of Act III?

<vader> Noooooo! </vader>

[Ryzaki]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Graces's whole purpose was to be a woman who makes no sense. CAN'T CHANGE THAT.

So Grace... is the living embodiment of Act III?

<vader> Noooooo! </vader>

 

 It all makes sense now! 

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Definitely would've been preferred. The Mage-Templar rebellion by Thrask still could've been thwarted if you let her go, but by something else. Templar plants or something who had been very careful and had been leaking information to Meredith. and then Samson brings Cullen along.

Thrask gets thrown out of the Templars. Hawke's influence as the Champion can either save or damn the mages.
*Sigh* What could've been.

 

That would've involved Hawke actually making a difference in the plot. 

Can't have that! 

[bluebullets]

Blitzkrieg0811 wrote...

bluebullets wrote...

My main problem now is that I don't wanna kill anders

Why? He's not the Anders from Awakening. He's a maniacal, self-righteous terrorist now.

Well he was right... After him, the mages rose up and faught, eliminating the circles

[Mr.House]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Graces's whole purpose was to be a woman who makes no sense. CAN'T CHANGE THAT.

So Grace... is the living embodiment of Act III?

<vader> Noooooo! </vader>

Pretty much.