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[LOLandStuff]

What is it with people and this weird obsession of romancing everything? Wasn't there a group who wanted Carver/Bethany as a romance for Hawke? There are even mods replacing other characters with these two. Seriously, I don't say autistic people don't deserve to be loved or anything. But she's just 16 and you must be careful how you deal with someone like her.

[alex90c]

Jake71887 wrote...

alex90c wrote...

Tali: socially inept LI that a lot of people are quite interested in.

And just because you hate autistics because of your brother, doesn't
mean that everyone else in the world is intollerant of them, or that
they should be romantically isolated. You treat them as lessers and thus
you are a douchebag. End story.

She's shy and kinda awkward, not autistic, there's a difference - that difference being autistics can be quite malicious without intending to be on a frequent basis.

I never said that I hate autistics either, just that social ineptitude and frequent unintentional malice does not an attractive LI make in my, and some other people's opinion.

I didn't say she was autistic, I said she was socially inept. There's a difference, really there is, you just have to think about it.

Your demeanor speaks volumes about your disposition towards autistics, if that is not your true feelings, then perhaps you are the one who lacks the ability to notice how what you say affects others. As for what the majority of people want, I couldn't say, and neither could you; but it's clear that the ME LIs already exhibit a number of the flaws you harp on autistics for. So you may want to revise your theory, and perhaps your manner in general.

You're missing what I'm actually trying to say. Social ineptitude exists among non-autistics yes, but it exists entirely among autistics as it's the one major quality that they all "suffer" from, but what makes the problem worse with them in particular is that as a result it can cause them to act malicious/irritating unintentionally (many experiences of this with a guy in my history class last year, good God he was annoying). Imagine it:

girl 1 posting on facebook: i'm so ugly yadda yadda yadda
autistic person replies: yeah you are ... so?

The crux of my argument is unintentional malice, while the social ineptitude is the secondary point. Obviously the autistic person replying to girl 1 didn't mean it rudely (just said "yeah you are ...so?" in a matter of fact way, rather than YEAH B*TCH YOURE SO UGLY), just that any sane person would be offended by a response like that. And just think,  people aren't always happy during life, so having an autistic BF/GF and wanting to confide in them just wouldn't work if you're misguided in your beliefs about something and just want sympathy and they're not offering any at all.

[Destroy Raiden_]

efrgfhnm wrote...

pablodurando wrote...

spiros9110 wrote...

I would love to see Gillian, but as a squadmate? No thanks, considering her age, I can't see her playing a good role in the Normandy. Her powers are unreal, which can lead to her being involved in a mission, maybe something with Biotics and Jack. I'd love to see that.

I find her age to be irrelevant.  It's a time of war where anything goes.  Besides, some countries let teenagers join the army at the age of 16 or younger, some without parent consent.  

I think she would fit fine on the Normandy with all those other wierdo emotional wrecks.  I can even see her being an LI for Shepard, and no, that would not make him a pedophile.

It's a time  of war where anything goes??? Are you serious?? That is quite possibly the creepiest thing I have seen on these forums.. And he is twice her age, even if it is not technically pedophilia, it is pretty damn close, and I can't really see anyone approving of that stuff. I can see why people are getting reported in this thread

Well if the girl's 16 I don't want her on my ship. BW will have to age her up into her 20s or else I'll give her an evac lift from Earth and she can live with Kolyat in his wayward house on the Citadel. I got nutjobs on my ship I don't need children to add to it.

[Jake71887]

alex90c wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

alex90c wrote...

Tali: socially inept LI that a lot of people are quite interested in.

And just because you hate autistics because of your brother, doesn't
mean that everyone else in the world is intollerant of them, or that
they should be romantically isolated. You treat them as lessers and thus
you are a douchebag. End story.

She's shy and kinda awkward, not autistic, there's a difference - that difference being autistics can be quite malicious without intending to be on a frequent basis.

I never said that I hate autistics either, just that social ineptitude and frequent unintentional malice does not an attractive LI make in my, and some other people's opinion.

I didn't say she was autistic, I said she was socially inept. There's a difference, really there is, you just have to think about it.

Your demeanor speaks volumes about your disposition towards autistics, if that is not your true feelings, then perhaps you are the one who lacks the ability to notice how what you say affects others. As for what the majority of people want, I couldn't say, and neither could you; but it's clear that the ME LIs already exhibit a number of the flaws you harp on autistics for. So you may want to revise your theory, and perhaps your manner in general.

You're missing what I'm actually trying to say. Social ineptitude exists among non-autistics yes, but it exists entirely among autistics as it's the one major quality that they all "suffer" from, but what makes the problem worse with them in particular is that as a result it can cause them to act malicious/irritating unintentionally (many experiences of this with a guy in my history class last year, good God he was annoying). Imagine it:

girl 1 posting on facebook: i'm so ugly yadda yadda yadda
autistic person replies: yeah you are ... so?

The crux of my argument is unintentional malice, while the social ineptitude is the secondary point. Obviously the autistic person replying to girl 1 didn't mean it rudely (just said "yeah you are ...so?" in a matter of fact way, rather than YEAH B*TCH YOURE SO UGLY), just that any sane person would be offended by a response like that. And just think,  people aren't always happy during life, so having an autistic BF/GF and wanting to confide in them just wouldn't work if you're misguided in your beliefs about something and just want sympathy and they're not offering any at all.

You obviously haven't socialized much, most people do exactly that, without the excuse autistics have. Saying no one wants to love them simply because they lack control like that is stupid. And you are entirely overlooking the fact that their symptoms VARY, and they aren't necessarily like that 100% of the time or to such a degree... you're still generalizing.

[The Twilight God]

Bailyn242 wrote...

I was perusing the Mass Effect Wiki and found the entry for the next Novel. It sounds like she's coming back in a big way and gunning for Cerberus. 

Since we know Kai Leng is going to be a serious bad guy and we've already seen that we're getting a new Male squaddie could she be Vegas' counterpart? He's a soldier and she should be a Biotic Adept, they would complement each other quite nicely for squad balance.

Plus I really like the idea of taking her to meet Aria after how Aria's daughter is killed and it is blamed on her father. Could make for some seriously compelling storytelling.

I guess the quarians found a cure for human autism? I don't see how an autistic girl is going to go on a manhunt for Cerberus. And her issue with being touched would probably be a hinderance to a Bioware romance.

But if she has somehow become a typical healthy human I see no reason she couldn't be a squadmate or a LI. Unless she dies in the next book.

[BioWareM0d13]

Jake71887 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

In the words of Sten: NO.

She's underage and severely autistic to boot. I find this thread disturbing.

You have a problem romancing autistic people? They're people too! Jackass 

Severely handicapped people, ballbag.

Even putting aside for a moment the fact that Gillian Grayson is a minor, Shepard 'romancing' someone as mentally handicapped as Gillian is still unethical. We aren't talking about someone with a mild case of Asperger's here. Gillian Grayson is on the same level as Kim Peek.

It wouldn't be a partnership of equals. It would be an exploitative relationship.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 31 juillet 2011 - 10:05 .

[Jake71887]

Han Shot First wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

In the words of Sten: NO.

She's underage and severely autistic to boot. I find this thread disturbing.

You have a problem romancing autistic people? They're people too! Jackass 

Severely handicapped people, ballbag.

Even putting aside for a moment the fact that Gillian Grayson is a minor, Shepard 'romancing' someone as mentally handicapped as Gillian is still unethical. We aren't talking about someone with a mild case of Asperger's here. Gillian Grayson is on the same level as Kim Peek.

It wouldn't be a partnership of equals. It would be an exploitative relationship.

We were talking about "Autistic people" not her specifically.. Ballbag(Lols?)

[BioWareM0d13]

Jake71887 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

In the words of Sten: NO.

She's underage and severely autistic to boot. I find this thread disturbing.

You have a problem romancing autistic people? They're people too! Jackass 

Severely handicapped people, ballbag.

Even putting aside for a moment the fact that Gillian Grayson is a minor, Shepard 'romancing' someone as mentally handicapped as Gillian is still unethical. We aren't talking about someone with a mild case of Asperger's here. Gillian Grayson is on the same level as Kim Peek.

It wouldn't be a partnership of equals. It would be an exploitative relationship.

We were talking about "Autistic people" not her specifically.. Ballbag(Lols?)

O rly?

Perhaps I imagined 'Gillian Grayson for LI' being in the thread title, then.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 31 juillet 2011 - 10:06 .

[Jake71887]

Han Shot First wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

In the words of Sten: NO.

She's underage and severely autistic to boot. I find this thread disturbing.

You have a problem romancing autistic people? They're people too! Jackass 

Severely handicapped people, ballbag.

Even putting aside for a moment the fact that Gillian Grayson is a minor, Shepard 'romancing' someone as mentally handicapped as Gillian is still unethical. We aren't talking about someone with a mild case of Asperger's here. Gillian Grayson is on the same level as Kim Peek.

It wouldn't be a partnership of equals. It would be an exploitative relationship.

We were talking about "Autistic people" not her specifically.. Ballbag(Lols?)

O rly?

Perhaps I imagined 'Gillian Grayson for LI' being in the thread title, then?

It's possible, or you simply overlooked who created the thread, you do seem to have trouble reading properly. 

[BioWareM0d13]

Jake71887 wrote...


It's possible, or you simply overlooked who created the thread, you do seem to have trouble reading properly. 

Since you are having trouble keeping up, here is quick rundown of the of our exchange:

I post a reply to the OP stating that I'm against Gillian Grayson being an LI because she's underage and autistic. You then quote my post and reply by asking me if I have problem against romancing autistic peope since they are people too, and throw in a 'jackass' for good measure. I explain why I think romancing someone as mentally handicapped as Gillian would be unethical, and you reply that we are talking about autistics in general and not Gillian.

Is your emotional reaction to people being against a Gillian romance based on your own feeble-mindedness?

[Jake71887]

Han Shot First wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...


It's possible, or you simply overlooked who created the thread, you do seem to have trouble reading properly. 

Since you are having trouble keeping up, here is quick rundown of the of our exchange:

I post a reply to the OP stating that I'm against Gillian Grayson being an LI because she's underage and autistic. You then quote my post and reply by asking me if I have problem against romancing autistic peope since they are people too, and throw in a 'jackass' for good measure. I explain why I think romancing someone as mentally handicapped as Gillian would be unethical, and you reply that we are talking about autistics in general and not Gillian.

Is your emotional reaction to people being against a Gillian romance based on your own feeble-mindedness?

When I say they're people too, did you think I meant that Gillian is multiple people? Or did you correctly infer that I was talking about Autistic people in general? 

[Clonedzero]

wait, do people really want shepard to date a 16 year old autistic? wtf?

oh BSN.....

[Jake71887]

Clonedzero wrote...

wait, do people really want shepard to date a 16 year old autistic? wtf?

oh BSN.....

And frying pans... apparently.

[BioWareM0d13]

Jake71887 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...


It's possible, or you simply overlooked who created the thread, you do seem to have trouble reading properly. 

Since you are having trouble keeping up, here is quick rundown of the of our exchange:

I post a reply to the OP stating that I'm against Gillian Grayson being an LI because she's underage and autistic. You then quote my post and reply by asking me if I have problem against romancing autistic peope since they are people too, and throw in a 'jackass' for good measure. I explain why I think romancing someone as mentally handicapped as Gillian would be unethical, and you reply that we are talking about autistics in general and not Gillian.

Is your emotional reaction to people being against a Gillian romance based on your own feeble-mindedness?

When I say they're people too, did you think I meant that Gillian is multiple people? Or did you correctly infer that I was talking about Autistic people in general? 

The wheel is still turning, but the hamster is definitely dead....



Look, that's great that you were talking about autistic people in general but you apparently missed the fact that both the OP and my post that you originally quoted were talking about Gillian.

[NICKjnp]

This is a bad bad idea.

[J. Finley]

I wouldn't mind her as a squadmate. Might be interesting for Shep to take the role of a guardian or father figure. Er, just no romance.

[Clonedzero]

Jayman1337 wrote...

I wouldn't mind her as a squadmate. Might be interesting for Shep to take the role of a guardian or father figure. Er, just no romance.

yeah shepard adopting her might be cool

but dating her is so many different kinds of creepy its not funny lol

[Jake71887]

Han Shot First wrote...
The wheel is still turning, but the hamster is definitely dead....



Look, that's great that you were talking about autistic people in general but you apparently missed the fact that both the OP and my post that you originally quoted were talking about Gillian.

And I cheanged the subject in my post, clearly, yet you seem to believe that the only thing people are capable of discussing is what YOU'RE currently discussing. I'm not really following the point of all this, you seem to grasp the fact that we were talking about two different things, yet you still act as if I should be replying to exactly what you were talking about. 

Either way, you're an idiot and this thread is boring/ creepy. Later retard.

[Peithelo]

I rather like the idea of having Gillian Grayson as a permanent squad member in Mass Effect 3. Her character alone would give BioWare numerous ways to address certain matters. As for Gillian being a potential romanceable person, I don't feel that is necessary. Gillian may or may not be able to participate in a healthy two-sided relationship, but to my view that either is not the correct way to approach this case. Neither has her age anything to do with anything: I don't believe that in love something as trivial as age is essential (It never is!).

Also, why do everyone have to assume that a romance or a relationship must mean some sort of an physical attraction or intercourse? This is definitely not always the case and shouldn't even be.

What I would like to see is for Shepard to take a fatherly or motherly figure in the relationship between the two. This would give ME3 an unique chance to do something, if done correctly, that no other video game has done before. If Shepard happened to romance Tali and then befriended with Gillian, I can see her being adobted by the two even, as they can't have children of their own. Given that Gillian spend several years with Quarians she might just be comfortable around Tali anyways. This is but one of many ways for developers to take approach, albeit the personal favorite of mine.

I'm just saying that Gillian might make the game and as such the whole experience more lively.

Modifié par Peithelo, 31 juillet 2011 - 11:32 .

[Lopake]

Once Gillian was with the quarians the book said she started to act more normal. She is hunting TIM you know,she cant be that handicapped. Maybe after living with quarians long enough, and after hunting cerberus her autism will be more of a quirky characteristic.

[Silver]

@Op
are you serious ?

[Davie McG]

Quole wrote...

Gillian is like 26, theres nothing wrong with that.

Even if she was it'd still be a bit wrong with her disabilities and all.

If you read the Mass Effect wiki timeline it shows Gillian will be 15/16 at the time of ME3. Although the age of consent in this country (U.K) is 16 someone of that age being romantically involved with someone in their 30's is still creepy.

"2170 CE

The human colony of Mindoir is attacked by batarian slavers. Many colonists are killed or captured.

Another human colony, Yandoa, suffers catastrophic dust-form element zero exposure to its atmosphere when an Eldfell-Ashland Energy ship explodes in orbit. Many children suffer birth defects; thirty-seven biotic children are born, including Gillian Grayson.

Biotic training for humans is outsourced to the military, selected R&D companies, and renamed divisions of the defunct Conatix Industries.

L3 biotic implants are developed after L2 implants prove to be dangerous.

The first A-61 Mantis Gunships are produced. "

Modifié par Davie McG, 01 août 2011 - 02:24 .

[The Twilight God]

Davie McG wrote...

If you read the Mass Effect wiki timeline it shows Gillian will be 15/16 at the time of ME3. Although the age of consent in this country (U.K) is 16 someone of that age being romantically involved with someone in their 30's is still creepy.

That's your opinion. Homosexual romances, turian romances, drell romances and quarian romances are creepy to some poeple. And 16 is the most common age of consent almost everywhere in the world, including the U.S. and Canada. 

The real hinderance is her psychological condition which may no longer be an issue if she is hunting down Cerberus personnel.

[Davie McG]

The Twilight God wrote...

Davie McG wrote...

If you read the Mass Effect wiki timeline it shows Gillian will be 15/16 at the time of ME3. Although the age of consent in this country (U.K) is 16 someone of that age being romantically involved with someone in their 30's is still creepy.

That's your opinion. Homosexual romances, turian romances, drell romances and quarian romances are creepy to some poeple. And 16 is the most common age of consent almost everywhere in the world, including the U.S. and Canada. 

The real hinderance is her psychological condition which may no longer be an issue if she is hunting down Cerberus personnel.

I agree with the second part of what you said, but I think most people would agree that Shepard romancing a 16 year old would be questionable at best.