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[Dasher1010]

The Twilight God wrote...

Davie McG wrote...

If you read the Mass Effect wiki timeline it shows Gillian will be 15/16 at the time of ME3. Although the age of consent in this country (U.K) is 16 someone of that age being romantically involved with someone in their 30's is still creepy.

That's your opinion. Homosexual romances, turian romances, drell romances and quarian romances are creepy to some poeple. And 16 is the most common age of consent almost everywhere in the world, including the U.S. and Canada. 

The real hinderance is her psychological condition which may no longer be an issue if she is hunting down Cerberus personnel.

As somebody who had a GF with Asperger Syndrome (which is a type of autism) in the past, I'll tell you that that's not the issue. She's 16. She's still a kid and any story where adults touch kids is creepy to the max.

Also, people with milder forms of autism often have their symptoms lessen as teens and adults and are capable of living normal productive lives. Gillian has a very mild case so her condition wouldn't be an issue if she were older. And since she's still a teenager she should be totally off limits. I'm surprised that this thread wasn't locked yet since it's both a flamewar and deals with adult/child relationships. Creepy doesn't begin to describe this thread, it's horifying.

[bigrdog101]

lol when did pedobear come to BSN...

[Dasher1010]

bigrdog101 wrote...

lol when did pedobear come to BSN...

Finally, sombody who agrees with me. And taht brings up a point that I've made several times in this thread. WHERE ARE THE MODS!?!

[Unpleasant Implications]

Dasher1010 wrote...

bigrdog101 wrote...

lol when did pedobear come to BSN...

Finally, sombody who agrees with me. And taht brings up a point that I've made several times in this thread. WHERE ARE THE MODS!?!

I suppose since it's technically not pedophilia, they don't feel the need to come in and lockdown the thread. Besides, things here aren't really that out of hand. Most people just say no to LI and two chaps on the page before last had a debate about Autism. Nothing too extreme. Though how this isn't locked is beyond me.

Modifié par Unpleasant Implications, 01 août 2011 - 03:29 .

[The Twilight God]

Davie McG wrote...

I agree with the second part of what you said, but I think most people would agree that Shepard romancing a 16 year old would be questionable at best.

Opinion. If someone wants to romance a 16 year old they should have the right. I don't think everyone in the world should be limited to U.S. hang ups about age and relationships.

Dasher1010 wrote...

She's 16. She's still a kid and any story where adults touch kids is creepy to the max.

A 16 year old is not a child. Your distain is nothing but an arbitrary social convention. A 16 year is physiologically and psychologically an adult.

bigrdog101 wrote...

lol when did pedobear come to BSN...

It is perfectly legal for a 30 year old to date a 16 year old (in the vast majority of states and countries) and it is not pedophilia.  Pedobear does not approve.

[Dasher1010]

Also, if Gillian were of age, then then maybe she'd be a good romance option of an absolutely psychotic renegade Shepard. People with mental disorders naturally gravitate towards each other.... then again that might be a bad idea since an ultra renegade Shepard clearly has a very severe case of bipolar disorder.

[Luigitornado]

The Twilight God wrote...

Davie McG wrote...

I agree with the second part of what you said, but I think most people would agree that Shepard romancing a 16 year old would be questionable at best.

Opinion. If someone wants to romance a 16 year old they should have the right. I don't think everyone in the world should be limited to U.S. hang ups about age and relationships.

Dasher1010 wrote...

She's 16. She's still a kid and any story where adults touch kids is creepy to the max.

A 16 year old is not a child. Your distain is nothing but an arbitrary social convention. A 16 year is physiologically and psychologically an adult.

bigrdog101 wrote...

lol when did pedobear come to BSN...

It is perfectly legal for a 30 year old to date a 16 year old (in the vast majority of states and countries) and it is not pedophilia.  Pedobear does not approve.

Legal, yes...socially right? No.

Fact is that it is viewed as deviant by most Western cultures. And most states consider 16-year-olds to be not at the age of consent....so

[pablodurando]

Luigitornado wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Davie McG wrote...

I agree with the second part of what you said, but I think most people would agree that Shepard romancing a 16 year old would be questionable at best.

Opinion. If someone wants to romance a 16 year old they should have the right. I don't think everyone in the world should be limited to U.S. hang ups about age and relationships.

Dasher1010 wrote...

She's 16. She's still a kid and any story where adults touch kids is creepy to the max.

A 16 year old is not a child. Your distain is nothing but an arbitrary social convention. A 16 year is physiologically and psychologically an adult.

bigrdog101 wrote...

lol when did pedobear come to BSN...

It is perfectly legal for a 30 year old to date a 16 year old (in the vast majority of states and countries) and it is not pedophilia.  Pedobear does not approve.

Legal, yes...socially right? No.

Fact is that it is viewed as deviant by most Western cultures. And most states consider 16-year-olds to be not at the age of consent....so

Beastiality is also not socially right, yet people want to romance aliens who look like ****aroaches.  

Most countries in fact do not say that 16 year olds aren't at the age of consent.

[PseudoEthnic]

Peithelo wrote...

I rather like the idea of having Gillian Grayson as a permanent squad member in Mass Effect 3. Her character alone would give BioWare numerous ways to address certain matters. As for Gillian being a potential romanceable person, I don't feel that is necessary. Gillian may or may not be able to participate in a healthy two-sided relationship, but to my view that either is not the correct way to approach this case. Neither has her age anything to do with anything: I don't believe that in love something as trivial as age is essential (It never is!).

Also, why do everyone have to assume that a romance or a relationship must mean some sort of an physical attraction or intercourse? This is definitely not always the case and shouldn't even be.

What I would like to see is for Shepard to take a fatherly or motherly figure in the relationship between the two. This would give ME3 an unique chance to do something, if done correctly, that no other video game has done before. If Shepard happened to romance Tali and then befriended with Gillian, I can see her being adobted by the two even, as they can't have children of their own. Given that Gillian spend several years with Quarians she might just be comfortable around Tali anyways. This is but one of many ways for developers to take approach, albeit the personal favorite of mine.

I'm just saying that Gillian might make the game and as such the whole experience more lively.

I can get behind this. However, I doubt that this would happen.

[The Twilight God]

Luigitornado wrote...

Legal, yes...socially right? No.

Fact is that it is viewed as deviant by most Western cultures. And most states consider 16-year-olds to be not at the age of consent....so

The typical age of consent is 16. Look it up. It's 16 in 31 states, 17 in 8 states and 18 in 12 states. It is incorrectly viewed as illegal seeing that people erroneously consider 18 to be THE age of consent. It is illegal in some states. Branching out into the rest of western culture outside the U.S. the age of consent ranges from 12-18; Usually between 14 and 16.  I think only 2 european countries have an age of consent over 16: Malta and Turkey.

Most people in western and other cultures view homosexuality as deviant. That's why they have had so much trouble attaining basic civil rights. So should s/s romances be removed from ME3 because their are close-minded bigots in the world who don't like it?

Your personal opinion on the matter is noted. But again, it is just your opinion on the matter. If you don't want to romance Gillian, you would always have the option not to. As a heterosexual man I have no interest in romancing Kaiden and would find it icky, but I'm not going to run up and down the street calling gays deviants and trying to force my views on a video game. I don't have to romance Kaiden or any other male character. 

Modifié par The Twilight God, 01 août 2011 - 04:26 .

[Inspectre]

The Twilight God wrote...

Your personal opinion on the matter is noted. But again, it is just your opinion on the matter. If you don't want to romance Gillian, you would always have the option not to. As a heterosexual man I have no interest in romancing Kaiden and would find it icky, but I'm not going to run up and down the street calling gays deviants and trying to force my views on a video game. I don't have to romance Kaiden or any other male character. 

And when I said gay's and gay supporters would one day fight for pedophile and zoophile rights, I was laughed at and called a bigot.

Damn.

[Fidget6]

yorkj86 wrote...

Thargorichiban wrote...

Isn't she only going to be about 16 years old at the time of ME3?

She's also a high-functioning autistic.  While it'd be up to her, deciding to be "romanced," there's still two layers of "squickiness" here.

This comment is highly ignorant. I'm a high functioning autistic and no one I've dated has ever been on the spectrum. Also, most of them have never even known I was.

Modifié par Fidget6, 01 août 2011 - 07:54 .

[Fidget6]

Wowza, so much bigotry and ignorance in this thread. I think many of you need to do some research on high functioning autism if you think dating someone on the spectrum is "unethical." It will save you looking like a jackass in the long run.

Modifié par Fidget6, 01 août 2011 - 07:56 .

[shaneofthedead]

a 16 year old autistic girl? Sounds like the perfect woman to me.

[shaneofthedead]

autism is our evolution . . .mark my words

[The Twilight God]

Arcian wrote...

@The Twilight God: The problem isn't that she's young, it's that she's autistic. Seducing her would be to take advantage of her condition.

Agreed...

The Twilight God wrote...

That's your opinion. Homosexual romances, turian romances, drell romances and quarian romances are creepy to some poeple. And 16 is the most common age of consent almost everywhere in the world, including the U.S. and Canada.

The real hinderance is her psychological condition which may no longer be an issue if she is hunting down Cerberus personnel.

Quesion is... exactly how bad is her condition because if she is traking people down out of revenge she can't be this drooling retard some people are so keen to make autistics out to be. She had issues with being touched, but I don't think she had an infantile mind. 

Dragon XIX wrote...

And when I said gay's and gay supporters would one day fight for pedophile and zoophile rights, I was laughed at and called a bigot.

Damn.

You were probably called a bigot for indiscriminately applying a negative bias to a group of people basd solely on their views toward sexual orientation. In this case, claiming they are all supporters of criminal behavior by virtue of being gay or accepting people who are gay. No one on this forum has supported pedophiles or zoophiles to my knowledge so you'll have to keep waiting for it to happen I guess. 

Modifié par The Twilight God, 01 août 2011 - 12:27 .

[Fidget6]

The Twilight God wrote...

Arcian wrote...

@The Twilight God: The problem isn't that she's young, it's that she's autistic. Seducing her would be to take advantage of her condition.

Agreed...

WTF????? She's a high functioning autistic. Do you guys know nothing about autism? Half of the people in this thread seem to think autism=retardation or something. Do some freaking research people! Whatever, I just need to get out of this thread, it's making me sick to my stomach seeing these responses, and it's starting to make me lose a little faith in humanity.

Modifié par Fidget6, 01 août 2011 - 12:46 .

[Art3m]

The best thing happened with Gillian and Shepard could be only friendship...or adoptation that is weird I say.

[Fidget6]

jreezy wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Arcian wrote...

@The Twilight God: The problem isn't that she's young, it's that she's autistic. Seducing her would be to take advantage of her condition.

Agreed...

WTF????? She's a high functioning autistic. Do you guys know nothing about autism? Half of the people in this thread seem to think autism=retardation or something. Do some freaking research people! Whatever, I just need to get out of this thread, it's making me sick to my stomach seeing these responses, and it's starting to make me lose a little faith in humanity.

Sadly it does seem like everyone on this thread believes autism and retardation are one and the same. From what I've read Autism doesn't sound anything like retardation.

Most people with high functioning autism actually have above average IQ's. The creator of Pokemon was autistic. Einstein is thought to be autistic.

Modifié par Fidget6, 01 août 2011 - 12:56 .

[Lopake]

It doesn't matter what the legal age is, I doubt bioware wants their game getting negative heat on the news because the thirty year old hero is dating a 16 year old. Autism doesn't necessarily mean retarded.

When I was in high school their was a kid with autism, and he was pretty normal, he was just kind of dorky and like a kid. My little brother has autism, and he never even learned to speak english. Autistic people are all different, and even though many might not seem like it, many of them are geniuses.

[Sshodan]

Just a note on autism, I think a lot of people here do not understand what the problem is, so I'll give you an widely known media example: Bones - Dr. Temperance Brennan has an Asperger syndrome, which is one of autism specter disorders, she is high functioning autistic and it is portrayed with a degree of accuracy - the woman is intelligent, capable and so on, but not exactly in touch with her emotions or empathy, not because she does not have them, but because she is unable to recognize and identify the feelings.
Other autistic syndromes can have different effects on a persons live, but in no way they impair intelligence, judgment and capability.
For a small child even high functioning autism can be an issue, because so much has to be learned, understood, perceived and any issues can slow down the development in certain areas, but for an adult, and even a teenager, it is much less of a problem, they are already over the child issues and are usually smarter and better for it