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[WizenSlinky0]

Well, once the battle with the Collectors is over, if you're a rengegade...Samara is kinda obligated to kill you if she ever crosses your path again.

So uh...there's that reason?

[D.Kain]

To all of those that think picking Morinth is absurd.
I posted some thoughts in the other thread but:

1) I never liked Samara, she wasn't devoted to ME, and came along only for the sake of the mission. I appreciate ties to people that are not linked to WORK more. And Morinth didn't care what I was going to do, she just came along because she was grateful for saving her from Samara. Morinth didn't attack me even though she could probably out-best me, when Samara was dead on the floor and I had no weapons.

2) The fact that Morinth wanted to kill Shepard means nothing to me, because she didn't know him well. She thought that he was just another clubbing idiot. An interesting idiot, but still. Morinth never felt a real connection to anybody until Shepard, sometimes I think that she fell in love, though she is naive to think that Shepard is so special to survive melding with her. Even so, she gives the final choice of the risk to Shepard.

3) She is younger and already as strong as Samara, In the long run she could become a stronger and better ally. Her abilities are very useful for infiltration and getting information.

4) She has a sexy voice and playful personality. It would be interesting to go deeper into her character.

Why NOT pick Morinth? Even though she wont get any sex from me, since I'm already taken by Liara, I will stay by her side till the end. I'm 100% sure, she will be there for me in the critical moment. I dare dead Samara that I will NEVER regret my choice. 

Modifié par D.Kain, 14 juin 2011 - 01:02 .

[Ashathor]

I think you're giving her too much credit. Never saved her myself but I've seen what she does attempts to do while on the Normandy. She doesn't "think" you can survive her mind-sex because once you die all she does is smile. She knows perfectly well that doing that would kill Shep and if you think she didn't and that she is "good" then that's just plain stupid. As for Samara I always go paragon or paragade so I'm usually pretty ok with her. Also I would rather kill Morinth as a renegade then only kill Samara if she really wants to try to kill me. Come on one justicar isn't gonna be that hard to take out after what Shep has been through. Also I just prefer Samara's personality better. Morinth just seems... too rebellious for me.

Modifié par Ashathor, 14 juin 2011 - 01:09 .

[D.Kain]

Ashathor wrote...

I think you're giving her too much credit. Never saved her myself but I've seen what she does attempts to do while on the Normandy. She doesn't "think" you can survive her mind-sex because once you die all she does is smile. She knows perfectly well that doing that would kill Shep and if you think she didn't and that she is "good" then that's just plain stupid. As for Samara I always go paragon or paragade so I'm usually pretty ok with her. Also I would rather kill Morinth as a renegade then only kill Samara if she really wants to try to kill me. Come on one justicar isn't gonna be that hard to take out after what Shep has been through. Also I just prefer Samara's personality better. Morinth just seems... too rebellious for me.

That's your interpretation. I would probably smile too after I ****** while having sex, and realise that my girlfriend just died a bit later. I never said Morinth was generaly good. I know perfectly that she is VERY bad, but I could care less, as long as she is good to ME, I'll be good to her. Where is her rebelliousness? She does everything you ask. And again, if she really wanted to kill Shepard she would. There is no way Shepard would be able to deffeat her in that room, unarmed and dressed casually, even if you ( as I was ) are a biotic, she's still stronger.

Edit: just rewatched the scene. She even smiles BEFORE you die.

Modifié par D.Kain, 14 juin 2011 - 01:39 .

[NICKjnp]

@D.Kain: You do realizeorinth is a sociopath, right? She is incapable of feeling emotions because she is an Ardat-Yakshi. Since they can't "meld" that means she never developed a conscious. Even if she knows Shepard better now...she still is a murderer and still wants to murderer Shepard. As much as I love that Bioware gave us a great character like Morinth....she is still pure evil.

[D.Kain]

NICKjnp wrote...

@D.Kain: You do realizeorinth is a sociopath, right? She is incapable of feeling emotions because she is an Ardat-Yakshi. Since they can't "meld" that means she never developed a conscious. Even if she knows Shepard better now...she still is a murderer and still wants to murderer Shepard. As much as I love that Bioware gave us a great character like Morinth....she is still pure evil.

But didn't I just go through all that? 

1) If she wanted to kill me I would already be dead.

2) I don't care if she is a murderer or a sociopath. She is powerful, useful, fun and chooses to help me. I appreciate her.

[NICKjnp]

My point is that she doesn't care about Shepard. She is only focussed on survival. And that she knows that she will kill Shepard via sex and always intended on seducing him. She only waits till after the suicide mission because she wants to get rid of the collectors (they are a threat to her) just like Shepard does.

[D.Kain]

NICKjnp wrote...

My point is that she doesn't care about Shepard. She is only focussed on survival. And that she knows that she will kill Shepard via sex and always intended on seducing him. She only waits till after the suicide mission because she wants to get rid of the collectors (they are a threat to her) just like Shepard does.

Are you serious? Collectors are a threat to Morinth? She could care less about the collectors. She went on the mission because she owed Shepard, and that's it. She didn't know for sure that Shepard is going to die from having sex with her. And killing Shepard on the ship when she could kill him a lot earlier is pointless much, not to mention that doing so on the actual ship is a death sentence, since the crew will shoot her as*.

[NICKjnp]

She says she wants to see them gone...so yes they are a threat to her. And you clearly don't get the point of what a sociopath is. She doesn't care about Shepard. She views him as someone she wants to kill. The way she wants to kill him is via sex. Furthermore she wants him to want her (hence the seduction). She knows all along that she will kill him...that is her plan.

[D.Kain]

NICKjnp wrote...

She says she wants to see them gone...so yes they are a threat to her. And you clearly don't get the point of what a sociopath is. She doesn't care about Shepard. She views him as someone she wants to kill. The way she wants to kill him is via sex. Furthermore she wants him to want her (hence the seduction). She knows all along that she will kill him...that is her plan.

How you behave towards socium in general can be a lot different that how you behave towards SOME individuals. Nor I nor you right now have any evidance that she wants to kill Shepard. I say she doesnt just because it doesn't make sense, because it doesn't go along with her survival, if she kills Shepard aboard the ship via sex, she's dead.

[NICKjnp]

Her addiction to killing is what makes her want to kill Shepard. Besides being a sociopath she is also a serial killer. Sociopath have NO empathy. How Morinth behaves or treats society or Shepard is exactly the sane. She doesn't care because she is a sociopath.

[D.Kain]

NICKjnp wrote...

Her addiction to killing is what makes her want to kill Shepard. Besides being a sociopath she is also a serial killer. Sociopath have NO empathy. How Morinth behaves or treats society or Shepard is exactly the sane. She doesn't care because she is a sociopath.

See you are not right because my Shepard could act the same. I'm sure Morinth enjoys killing, but it has nothing to do with wanting to kill Shepard. 
My Shepard clearly cares more about some people a lot more than others. Zaed's mission would be a good example. My Shepard could care less about the dying miners, but he really cared for Zaed and that his mission would succeed.

[Siansonea]

Morinth is evil. Saving Morinth only makes sense if that Shepard is also evil. Which is why it made sense for my Soldier.

[D.Kain]

Siansonea II wrote...

Morinth is evil. Saving Morinth only makes sense if that Shepard is also evil. Which is why it made sense for my Soldier.

Too black and white there. 

When I saved Morinth I did Good for Morinth and Evil for her victims. Still it was both good and evil at the same time.

[D.Kain]

You people think it's actually impossible to be a serial killer that enjoys killing and at the same time have friends and/or loved ones. It is actually possible.

[NICKjnp]

I'm not going to try to explain what a sociopath is over and over (so this is the last time and I'll let someone else try and explain it to you). You clearly are not getting it that a sociopath has no feelings towards others. They can never have empathy (that is part of the disorder). If your Shepard cares about Zaeed...then your Shepard is NOT a sociopath.

[D.Kain]

NICKjnp wrote...

I'm not going to try to explain what a sociopath is over and over (so this is the last time and I'll let someone else try and explain it to you). You clearly are not getting it that a sociopath has no feelings towards others. They can never have empathy (that is part of the disorder). If your Shepard cares about Zaeed...then your Shepard is NOT a sociopath.

Ok no problem. Answer a different question then. Who said Morinth is a sociopath?

[NICKjnp]

The in-game codex says that Ardat-Yakshibare sociopaths. They can't develop emotions because they can't "bond" with others. Bonding is necessary inorder for the Asari brain to develop.

[D.Kain]

Just read the codex. The word sociopath is not a part of it.

Here's the closest one ( quote ): Asari psychologists regard incapacity for mental fusion as preventing the development of empathy, leading to psychopathy

Now it means that a person CAN become a psycho because the person doesn't feel the love from other people, BUT it isn't necessarily always so.
Now having somebody that cares for you, even though they are not under your mind control can throw your mind in a different direction.

[Kreidian]

I'm a huge fan of Morinth, and I wish I could have picked her in more of my playthroughs. I do like Samara as well, but Morinth is just a much more fascinating character to me. I definitely hope we get to see more of her in ME3.

[Siansonea]

D.Kain wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Morinth is evil. Saving Morinth only makes sense if that Shepard is also evil. Which is why it made sense for my Soldier.

Too black and white there. 

When I saved Morinth I did Good for Morinth and Evil for her victims. Still it was both good and evil at the same time.

Not everything is a shade of grey. In this case, it's not a shade of grey. You can make it all okay in your head that Morinth is something other than a dangerous murderer, but whatever. That said, I still love Morinth, the pure evil dangerous murderer and BFF to my psycho b¡tch Soldier.

[NICKjnp]

Sociopathy and psychopathy are the same thing. Morinth doesn't have empathy...but keep believing what you want.

[D.Kain]

NICKjnp wrote...

Sociopathy and psychopathy are the same thing. Morinth doesn't have empathy...but keep believing what you want.

Let us just wait for ME3 and hope that devs will develop Morinth. Then we will see which side of the coin it's going to be. 

[D.Kain]

Siansonea II wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Morinth is evil. Saving Morinth only makes sense if that Shepard is also evil. Which is why it made sense for my Soldier.

Too black and white there. 

When I saved Morinth I did Good for Morinth and Evil for her victims. Still it was both good and evil at the same time.

Not everything is a shade of grey. In this case, it's not a shade of grey. You can make it all okay in your head that Morinth is something other than a dangerous murderer, but whatever. That said, I still love Morinth, the pure evil dangerous murderer and BFF to my psycho b¡tch Soldier.

No. I know what she is, and I love her that way. I'm just being carring for a murderer that doesn't deserve it. Because nobody ever deserves anything. 

[Labrev]

I appreciate Morinth. I have a save were I chose her, so, I'd like to see her get some real development this time.

Her only purpose in ME2 was organic brainwash bonus-power.