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[NICKjnp]

The unique thing about Morinth was her opposite extreme from Samara. Samara killed because she had feelings. Morinth killed because she had none. That said...I like Morinth because I felt the character was fascinating...and I do hope she is in ME3 and that she is just as evil as she is in ME2.

[Xeranx]

How is it that Samara killed because she had feelings but followed a code that allowed for none?

[Siansonea]

D.Kain wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Morinth is evil. Saving Morinth only makes sense if that Shepard is also evil. Which is why it made sense for my Soldier.

Too black and white there. 

When I saved Morinth I did Good for Morinth and Evil for her victims. Still it was both good and evil at the same time.

Not everything is a shade of grey. In this case, it's not a shade of grey. You can make it all okay in your head that Morinth is something other than a dangerous murderer, but whatever. That said, I still love Morinth, the pure evil dangerous murderer and BFF to my psycho b¡tch Soldier.

No. I know what she is, and I love her that way. I'm just being carring for a murderer that doesn't deserve it. Because nobody ever deserves anything. 

And there are folks in this world who marry serial killers in prison. Takes all kinds, I guess. 

[Siansonea]

Samara killed because it was her duty, though of course this applies to her life after taking her Justicar oaths. She killed because she had feelings when she was a mercenary, in her Maiden years. When her merc band became slavers, Samara's sense of right and wrong wouldn't allow it, and she single-handedly killed all of her former teammates. She then lectured the would-be slaves, gave them the means to defend and support themselves, and released them onto the Citadel. Samara has a tremendous empathy and sense of duty and honor, whereas Morinth has none. Both are compelling characters, and I love them both for that reason. In real life, I would be much more drawn to Samara. But in the game, I am drawn to both characters, because I can have player characters that behave completely opposite from how I would act in real life.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 14 juin 2011 - 03:51 .

[NICKjnp]

Because she became a justicar out if remorse.

[Siansonea]

I don't think remorse is the whole reason, actually. I think it was more a sense of responsibility. She brought the monster that became Morinth into the world, and she couldn't leave it to someone else to remove the threat Morinth represents. She had to do everything she could to make sure that Morinth was taken down, that her victims would receive justice. Samara always had a strong sense of justice, she couldn't walk away.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

Given she returns, I'd need to see Morinth's new power(s) before I can make a judgement. For now she's just a less powerful Samara to me.

[NICKjnp]

Don't dismiss a dominated harbinger

[D.Kain]

I wonder do asari NEED permission ( from ones mind ) in order to meld? Because if not, Morinth could kill a lot of enemies becoming stronger with each time. Or I could just capture enemies and then let Morinth play with them in their cells, while she becomes stronger.

[Siansonea]

Locutus_of_BORG wrote...

Given she returns, I'd need to see Morinth's new power(s) before I can make a judgement. For now she's just a less powerful Samara to me.

That's rather "meta", don't you think? For me it's not about the powers and combat prowess of the characters, it's about the characterization. I love taking Thane into combat, for instance, but I really don't enjoy talking to him. Puts me to sleep, that drell does.

[Siansonea]

D.Kain wrote...

I wonder do asari NEED permission ( from ones mind ) in order to meld? Because if not, Morinth could kill a lot of enemies becoming stronger with each time. Or I could just capture enemies and then let Morinth play with them in their cells, while she becomes stronger.

With Morinth it's just as much about the "hunt" as it is the melding. She likes to seduce her victims, make them open themselves to her willingly—then destroy them.

[D.Kain]

Siansonea II wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

I wonder do asari NEED permission ( from ones mind ) in order to meld? Because if not, Morinth could kill a lot of enemies becoming stronger with each time. Or I could just capture enemies and then let Morinth play with them in their cells, while she becomes stronger.

With Morinth it's just as much about the "hunt" as it is the melding. She likes to seduce her victims, make them open themselves to her willingly—then destroy them.

Maybe I should make a character that is going to say: ''let's have a deal. You do what I say and become uber powerful and help me stop the reapers, If it works out I'll have sex with you at the end.'' 

That will give her a good hunt. 

[Locutus_of_BORG]

Siansonea II wrote...

Locutus_of_BORG wrote...

Given she returns, I'd need to see Morinth's new power(s) before I can make a judgement. For now she's just a less powerful Samara to me.

That's rather "meta", don't you think? For me it's not about the powers and combat prowess of the characters, it's about the characterization. I love taking Thane into combat, for instance, but I really don't enjoy talking to him. Puts me to sleep, that drell does.

True, I have to admit that. But at the same time, I've never taken her (except to unlock her LP) in ME2 for the sole reason that Samara is better with Reave than she is with Dominate, so I've never really "gotten to know her". If she's more useful in ME3, then I will probably go back and get a save that has her on the team.

I agree on Thane. I actually think he's a decent guy, but I always feel compelled to cuss him behind his back during missions, lol. Maybe it's some sort of projection.

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 14 juin 2011 - 04:24 .

[Siansonea]

D.Kain wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

I wonder do asari NEED permission ( from ones mind ) in order to meld? Because if not, Morinth could kill a lot of enemies becoming stronger with each time. Or I could just capture enemies and then let Morinth play with them in their cells, while she becomes stronger.

With Morinth it's just as much about the "hunt" as it is the melding. She likes to seduce her victims, make them open themselves to her willingly—then destroy them.

Maybe I should make a character that is going to say: ''let's have a deal. You do what I say and become uber powerful and help me stop the reapers, If it works out I'll have sex with you at the end.'' 

That will give her a good hunt. 

You should do that. My Soldier actually isn't attracted to Morinth, she justs feels a kinship with a fellow brutal killer. She also has a kinship with Kasumi, who is lawless in her own way, but not nearly on the same level as Morinth. 

[D.Kain]

There's just something about characters like Morinth that really attracts me. I wonder if there are others that feel that way. It's like everybody hates her and you want to give her a hug and be a good friend to her, but at the same time she's so powerful and strong that makes you want to be friends with her to feel safe if she's on your side, then comes her sexiness and intelligence.
Just damn... If it was in real life, I'd probably already be dead from melding with her. =) 
She's attractive on so many levels.

Modifié par D.Kain, 14 juin 2011 - 05:26 .

[Xeranx]

Honestly, I didn't make the connection that she's a space vampire. I have a thing for vampire related stories however.  Although I read the Twilight series and really disliked it after the last book.

Really, the only thing that bothered me and made me take notice of Morinth was after I recruited her. Her statement about never loving anyone for long and the look on her face made me think that there might be more to her character. And through the rest of the game I kept trying to get more information. Afterwards I decided that it was absolutely ridiculous to take the word of one person whose sole desire is to kill her own daughter. Giving me the wrongs of her daughter with a smattering of her guilt on top.

During the quest involving Nef's death one of the choices of dialogue says something about investigating and then making your decision. No investigation is done. I'm then given a choice as to whether to recruit Morinth or keep Samara after only trying to get the barest of details from things I interact with around her apartment - none of which said she stalks and kills her prey.

And since I'm getting into it here, I've done it so many times I'm frankly tired of saying it: we don't know Morinth's motivations. That people can outright say she's evil and there are still questions as to how evil or if she's actually good means there's not a lot to know. If there's not a lot to know then how exactly can you think to classify a character as a monster? Morinth was with the Eclipse sisters. I don't care about what Wasea said about Morinth as she tried to kill me outright and had her group try and do the same. For all we know, Morinth could have been in the process of trying to extract information and not trying to kill us.

There's no hard fact of anything and I've yet to see any reason as to why believe there are hard facts that illustrate that Morinth is out and out evil.

Modifié par Xeranx, 14 juin 2011 - 05:57 .

[D.Kain]

Xeranx wrote...

Honestly, I didn't make the connection that she's a space vampire. I have a thing for vampire related stories however.  Although I read the Twilight series and really disliked it after the last book.

Really, the only thing that bothered me and made me take notice of Morinth was after I recruited her. Her statement about never loving anyone for long and the look on her face made me think that there might be more to her character. And through the rest of the game I kept trying to get more information. Afterwards I decided that it was absolutely ridiculous to take the word of one person whose sole desire is to kill her own daughter. Giving me the wrongs of her daughter with a smattering of her guilt on top.

During the quest involving Nef's death one of the choices of dialogue says something about investigating and then making your decision. No investigation is done. I'm then given a choice as to whether to recruit Morinth or keep Samara after only trying to get the barest of details from things I interact with around her apartment - none of which said she stalks and kills her prey.

And since I'm getting into it here, I've done it so many times I'm frankly tired of saying it: we don't know Morinth's motivations. That people can outright say she's evil and there are still questions as to how evil or if she's actually good means there's not a lot to know. If there's not a lot to know then how exactly can you think to classify a character as a monster? Morinth was with the Eclipse sisters. I don't care about what Wasea said about Morinth as she tried to kill me outright and had her group try and do the same. For all we know, Morinth could have been in the process of trying to extract information and not trying to kill us.

There's no hard fact of anything and I've yet to see any reason as to why believe there are hard facts that illustrate that Morinth is out and out evil.

So where is this information from? 
http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Morinth

[Xeranx]

D.Kain wrote...

So where is this information from? 
http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Morinth

It's her words, but what do you think the point is of her statement?  Is it to characterize her as evil or misguided?  To characterize her as in control or out of control?  Is it a statement that's she's tried to love as other Asari have and failed?  

Bear in mind that she's talking to Shepard when she's giving that statement and Shepard still has to give consent.  Wait, if she's a 'mind raper' like so many claim, why does consent need to be given?  So I ask again, what is the point?  Forewarning?  If so, then is she really evil?  Could she be hoping that Shepard can actually survive the meld?

[D.Kain]

Xeranx wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

So where is this information from? 
http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Morinth

It's her words, but what do you think the point is of her statement?  Is it to characterize her as evil or misguided?  To characterize her as in control or out of control?  Is it a statement that's she's tried to love as other Asari have and failed?  

Bear in mind that she's talking to Shepard when she's giving that statement and Shepard still has to give consent.  Wait, if she's a 'mind raper' like so many claim, why does consent need to be given?  So I ask again, what is the point?  Forewarning?  If so, then is she really evil?  Could she be hoping that Shepard can actually survive the meld?

That's what I was thinking. And I said a few posts back, that she could kill Shepard earlier if she wanted, as aposed to killing him on his own ship is a suicide. I think she was just hoping for too much, it is up to us to make her face the reality, that while she may not meld she can still have somebody care for her.  
And yeah I do agree on information in general.

Modifié par D.Kain, 14 juin 2011 - 07:38 .

[Slurms McKenzie]

I could never save her, despite having nearly full paragon...............grrrr, glitchy methinks.

Good Luck and Stay Safe

[KingNothing125]

Something I think people overlook when trying to figure out why Morinth goes along with Shepard...

You may have played along at the club and her apartment, when she was trying to seduce you, but on the flipside, she's totally turned on by you. You're like the ultimate priiize to Morinth, and I think she would jump through whatever hoops she had to, to finally get you.

Shep is no dummy, you know Morinth can kill you, but there's no harm in stringing her along. She may think you're enthralled by her, but it may turn out to be the other way around. She's attracted to power, and the more baddies you kill, the more she's attracted to you. In a way, Morinth can end up more loyal to you than Samara ever would be, especially now that your mission is over. Just keep dangling that carrot in front of her, and she'll do whatever you want.

[Xeranx]

KingNothing125 wrote...

Something I think people overlook when trying to figure out why Morinth goes along with Shepard...

You may have played along at the club and her apartment, when she was trying to seduce you, but on the flipside, she's totally turned on by you. You're like the ultimate priiize to Morinth, and I think she would jump through whatever hoops she had to, to finally get you.

Shep is no dummy, you know Morinth can kill you, but there's no harm in stringing her along. She may think you're enthralled by her, but it may turn out to be the other way around. She's attracted to power, and the more baddies you kill, the more she's attracted to you. In a way, Morinth can end up more loyal to you than Samara ever would be, especially now that your mission is over. Just keep dangling that carrot in front of her, and she'll do whatever you want.

That's just another possibility in a line of possibilities for why Morinth does the things she does.  Another one is: Going with Shepard might be a result of her no longer needing to run because Samara is dead.  She may not like the idea, but it allows her to breathe easier knowing that the one person who had the greatest chance to get the drop on her is out of her life.

[rpgfan321]

 I only have one save with Morinth over Samara. (Full renegade).

I predict she will come back for Shepard. Somehow and somewhere because she IS addicted to sex and Shepard has piqued her curiosity. Since she is a hedonist, Morinth will follow what her desire dictates while logic is mixed in to guide her. Maybe she will think that by 'harvesting' Shepard's mind, she thinks she will become stronger. Or she could not since Reapers are already in the galaxy. 

But I have a thought Shepard will be her target. Pure speculation, but either way she won't go away if Shepard killed Samara. Maybe her sisters will go after her after somehow knowing Shepard helped kill Samara. Afterall information looks like in Mass Effect universe seems to leak everywhere. Whatever happens I am looking forward to the repercussions to letting loose a serial killer akin to a vampire in the ME universe. 

[who would know]

I picked Morinth for the curveball appeal. Basically I just want to see what my choice means in ME3 since it seemed like such a no-brainer... until I picked Morinth. Her cool voice is the cherry on top.