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[lazuli]

MACharlie1 wrote...

I just posted this point in the Miranda thread since it pertains to Jacob.

Can someone explain how the Shadow Broker could possibly believe that the death of Jacob, essentially just a security guard, managed to earn him this line:

"Thank for bringing me Shepard and Mr. Taylor. Their deaths will cripple Cerberus."

I can't imagine Jacob's death crippling Cerberus. Besides target practice, what exactly did Jacob do for Cerberus?

Jacob is a beast in combat.  He's proven himself by saving the council in ME:G.  Compare him to the other Cerberus troops we see in ME1 and ME2, and, well, there's no competition.  They're all incompetent, dead, or indoctrinated.  Cerberus can't really afford to lose someone like Jacob, or someone like Miranda, if for no other reason than both of them are highly trained professionals.

[Veloric Wu]

To me, Jacob is actually the most fascinating person in ME2. He trusts Shepard no matter what situation. And he's a simple good man, definitely a reliable lover for FemShep.

Support +1

[Shroom man]

I can see why people might not like him when playing Female Shep, but he was always my bro as a male Shep. Hopefully he has a role in ME3 other than just a friendly chat.

[GameBoyish]

Darc_Requiem wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

I just posted this point in the Miranda thread since it pertains to Jacob.

Can someone explain how the Shadow Broker could possibly believe that the death of Jacob, essentially just a security guard, managed to earn him this line:

"Thank for bringing me Shepard and Mr. Taylor. Their deaths will cripple Cerberus."

I can't imagine Jacob's death crippling Cerberus. Besides target practice, what exactly did Jacob do for Cerberus?

Jacob saved the the Council from being killed by Batarian terrorists. He's the only squad member that has an idea of what Shepard has been through. Like Shepard he saved the Council and it was swept under the rug.

I've said before that Jacob is a second Shepard minus the control by player
Especially so if your Shep says she doesn't hold on to past "garbage".

Shepard
I don't hang on to garbage, Jacob.
I can't afford the luxury of dwelling on every little thing.

Jacob
The same answer I gave you. I've seen some hard ****, but I deal.
If I couldn't, if I didn't have my head on straight, I'd be dead.
And if I find someone who might understand, I hang on.
And I don't let anything else get in the way.
Does it make sense now, Shepard?

Shepard
You know what, Jacob?
I think we need each other.
I know I need you.



Honestly can't see how any other romance can top that XD The writing is great. A bit cheesy but great... Just "teh priiize" sucked though.

EDIT:

Shroom man wrote...

I can see why people might not like him when playing Female Shep.

I can't FemShep does sound like a horny cheerleader initially though <_<

But then again, DAT FEMSHEP VOICE led to this beauty!

Modifié par TriviaAeducan, 31 juillet 2011 - 08:59 .

[Homebound]

holycrap is that a black femshep?!

[FASTnBULBOUS]

Aside from laughing hysterically at his 'the prize' comment, I found him somewhat bland. By the same token though, as a few people have said on here it was nice to have a character there who seemed like a bit of an average fella.

[GameBoyish]

Hellbound555 wrote...

holycrap is that a black femshep?!

Who? Me?




@FASTnFABULOUS I believe he's more of "stable" than average. He's not an ex-assassin with speshul flashbacks, a dead wife and "body =/= mind" thing. He's not an ex-cop turned freelance mercenary with vengeance. He's not a pretty boy with biotic headaches. He's a soldier who has seen what Shepard has seen (the dialogue in the Derelict Reaper is one proof, Shep can ask if he's alright) and he doesn't hold on to the past.

If anything, he's the least likely to freak out during a crisis

Modifié par TriviaAeducan, 31 juillet 2011 - 11:29 .

[MACharlie1]

lazuli wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

I just posted this point in the Miranda thread since it pertains to Jacob.

Can someone explain how the Shadow Broker could possibly believe that the death of Jacob, essentially just a security guard, managed to earn him this line:

"Thank for bringing me Shepard and Mr. Taylor. Their deaths will cripple Cerberus."

I can't imagine Jacob's death crippling Cerberus. Besides target practice, what exactly did Jacob do for Cerberus?

Jacob is a beast in combat.  He's proven himself by saving the council in ME:G.  Compare him to the other Cerberus troops we see in ME1 and ME2, and, well, there's no competition.  They're all incompetent, dead, or indoctrinated.  Cerberus can't really afford to lose someone like Jacob, or someone like Miranda, if for no other reason than both of them are highly trained professionals.

Ha. I totally forgot I asked this.

I totally get that he's a great combatant and has done alot like saving the Council, etc....but how exactly would his death cripple Cerberus? 

[GameBoyish]

@MACharlie1 Yeah, imho that's lazy writing from BW ><" While him leaving Cerberus or dying would be a great loss of a talented soldier, it wouldn't really cripple Cerberus.

[PrinceLionheart]

MACharlie1 wrote...

lazuli wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

I just posted this point in the Miranda thread since it pertains to Jacob.

Can someone explain how the Shadow Broker could possibly believe that the death of Jacob, essentially just a security guard, managed to earn him this line:

"Thank for bringing me Shepard and Mr. Taylor. Their deaths will cripple Cerberus."

I can't imagine Jacob's death crippling Cerberus. Besides target practice, what exactly did Jacob do for Cerberus?

Jacob is a beast in combat.  He's proven himself by saving the council in ME:G.  Compare him to the other Cerberus troops we see in ME1 and ME2, and, well, there's no competition.  They're all incompetent, dead, or indoctrinated.  Cerberus can't really afford to lose someone like Jacob, or someone like Miranda, if for no other reason than both of them are highly trained professionals.

Ha. I totally forgot I asked this.

I totally get that he's a great combatant and has done alot like saving the Council, etc....but how exactly would his death cripple Cerberus? 

Yeah "cripple" is an overexaggeration, but I always got the feeling that Miranda and Jacob were both among TIM's more elite/experienced operatives. Their badassness isn't nearly as flashy as say Garrus or Thane's, but their introduction does give you the idea they're more skilled than the average Cerberus Operative. They are the only two to survive Wilson's betrayal, when you meet up with them, Jacob is fighting off mechs on his own and Miranda simply stuck behind to reactivate Shep. There's also the idea that they both of themave the distinction of speaking to TIM face to face (Miranda tells Shep early on that TIM rarely ever does this with his operatives.)

That, and TIM pretty much left the two in charge of arguably Cerberus' most important operation (Project Lazarus) kinda gives the idea that he does have a lot of faith in them.

[Darc_Requiem]

TriviaAeducan wrote...

@MACharlie1 Yeah, imho that's lazy writing from BW ><" While him leaving Cerberus or dying would be a great loss of a talented soldier, it wouldn't really cripple Cerberus.

Well Jacob is the only one at Cerberus that knows the meaning of oversight

[CC-Tron]

MACharlie1 wrote...

lazuli wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

I just posted this point in the Miranda thread since it pertains to Jacob.

Can someone explain how the Shadow Broker could possibly believe that the death of Jacob, essentially just a security guard, managed to earn him this line:

"Thank for bringing me Shepard and Mr. Taylor. Their deaths will cripple Cerberus."

I can't imagine Jacob's death crippling Cerberus. Besides target practice, what exactly did Jacob do for Cerberus?

Jacob is a beast in combat.  He's proven himself by saving the council in ME:G.  Compare him to the other Cerberus troops we see in ME1 and ME2, and, well, there's no competition.  They're all incompetent, dead, or indoctrinated.  Cerberus can't really afford to lose someone like Jacob, or someone like Miranda, if for no other reason than both of them are highly trained professionals.

Ha. I totally forgot I asked this.

I totally get that he's a great combatant and has done alot like saving the Council, etc....but how exactly would his death cripple Cerberus? 

It doesn't. Jacob's death doesn't cripple Cerberus. Does Miranda's death cripple Cerberus? The only loss that cripples Cerberus is TIM.

Modifié par CC-Tron, 01 août 2011 - 12:50 .

[MACharlie1]

CC-Tron wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

lazuli wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

I just posted this point in the Miranda thread since it pertains to Jacob.

Can someone explain how the Shadow Broker could possibly believe that the death of Jacob, essentially just a security guard, managed to earn him this line:

"Thank for bringing me Shepard and Mr. Taylor. Their deaths will cripple Cerberus."

I can't imagine Jacob's death crippling Cerberus. Besides target practice, what exactly did Jacob do for Cerberus?

Jacob is a beast in combat.  He's proven himself by saving the council in ME:G.  Compare him to the other Cerberus troops we see in ME1 and ME2, and, well, there's no competition.  They're all incompetent, dead, or indoctrinated.  Cerberus can't really afford to lose someone like Jacob, or someone like Miranda, if for no other reason than both of them are highly trained professionals.

Ha. I totally forgot I asked this.

I totally get that he's a great combatant and has done alot like saving the Council, etc....but how exactly would his death cripple Cerberus? 

It doesn't. Jacob's death doesn't cripple Cerberus. Does Miranda's death cripple Cerberus?

Probably not but I get the feeling that Miranda is higher on the Cerberus food chain then Jacob is and so I cut her more slack with this line then Jacob. 

[CC-Tron]

MACharlie1 wrote...

CC-Tron wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

lazuli wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

I just posted this point in the Miranda thread since it pertains to Jacob.

Can someone explain how the Shadow Broker could possibly believe that the death of Jacob, essentially just a security guard, managed to earn him this line:

"Thank for bringing me Shepard and Mr. Taylor. Their deaths will cripple Cerberus."

I can't imagine Jacob's death crippling Cerberus. Besides target practice, what exactly did Jacob do for Cerberus?

Jacob is a beast in combat.  He's proven himself by saving the council in ME:G.  Compare him to the other Cerberus troops we see in ME1 and ME2, and, well, there's no competition.  They're all incompetent, dead, or indoctrinated.  Cerberus can't really afford to lose someone like Jacob, or someone like Miranda, if for no other reason than both of them are highly trained professionals.

Ha. I totally forgot I asked this.

I totally get that he's a great combatant and has done alot like saving the Council, etc....but how exactly would his death cripple Cerberus? 

It doesn't. Jacob's death doesn't cripple Cerberus. Does Miranda's death cripple Cerberus?

Probably not but I get the feeling that Miranda is higher on the Cerberus food chain then Jacob is and so I cut her more slack with this line then Jacob. 

Maybe one rank higher. She can't be that important if TIM is sending her on a suicide mission. That line is inaccurate for both of them.

[MACharlie1]

CC-Tron wrote...
Maybe one rank higher. She can't be that important if TIM is sending her on a suicide mission. That line is inaccurate for both of them.

Point well met.  

[100k]

Upon further evaluation, Jacob really is one of the most realistic characters in ME2. Cool, collected, and calm, he doesn't let stuff pile up and worry him.

On top of that, he asks femShepard a question to rival Liara's LOTSB question: what kind of baggage are you carrying, Commander?

I wish everyone in ME2 asked Shepard a question similar to that.

[SilentK]

100k wrote...

Upon further evaluation, Jacob really is one of the most realistic characters in ME2. Cool, collected, and calm, he doesn't let stuff pile up and worry him.

On top of that, he asks femShepard a question to rival Liara's LOTSB question: what kind of baggage are you carrying, Commander?

I wish everyone in ME2 asked Shepard a question similar to that.

Jupp, that is such a great convo =) I have a save just before that discussion so that I can replay it before I play with her. Feels like that is one of the places ingame when I really get a good feel for my FemShep. For the first time she get's to take a look at herself and not just everyone around her. It's gold!

TriviaAeducan wrote...

That story is a "must-bookmark" for any Jacob fan really.

He's just chill enough to take one for the team...

I actually had a fic planned out with my sis that shows FemShep's reaction when he volunteers to enter the vents... even though he said that he would volunteer less for suicide missions for her... (This fic is still WIP!!! ><")

Everything in that fill is so in-character ^^

How's it going with the fic? Jupp, I just hunted through the thread because I'm curious about this little exchange. It had my FemShep looking questiongly =)      And thanks by the way for writing down that convo you can have with Jacob, the "not holding on to garbage", a bit further up on the page. I haven't tried that one yet and it was really really nice. The next FemShep who romances him will have to do that one

Modifié par SilentK, 01 août 2011 - 10:34 .

[GameBoyish]

My sis is too busy with her commissioned artwork and she has to finished her Zevran/MCousland fic first ;_; So we can't start on the Jacob fic yet...

[SilentK]

np =) I was just curious. No stress or anything like that.

Ohh... have tweeted about Jacob but nothing so far.... I guess waiting will be a new hobby for me soon.

[Cespar]

Jacob replaced Kaiden as my shepard bromance, so he need to come back so we can spill some drinks and i hope they dont take the black character away =[

[GameBoyish]

They said that there would be more Jacob and Miranda... So now I'm just wondering HOW they'd present him...

[AmyBA]

100k wrote...

Upon further evaluation, Jacob really is one of the most realistic characters in ME2. Cool, collected, and calm, he doesn't let stuff pile up and worry him.

On top of that, he asks femShepard a question to rival Liara's LOTSB question: what kind of baggage are you carrying, Commander?

I wish everyone in ME2 asked Shepard a question similar to that.

I think that is what sealed the deal for my Shep and Jacob, he really does respect and care about her and her well being, and he makes the effort to show and ask about it, where for every other squadmate its me having to give them full support, and its onesided.

I too wish everyone in ME2 would be given a similar line for Shep, kind of return the favor.

Modifié par AmyBA, 03 août 2011 - 05:19 .

[ubermensch007]

It has been said that:

“Spectres are not trained, but chosen. Individuals forged in the fire of service and battle—
those whose actions elevate them above the rank and file.”

How is it that Kaidan and Ashley meet these qualifications.But someone as accomplished as  Jacob Taylor is.Is not considered a canidate for Spectre Status?!

He and Ash both survived the attack on Eden Prime.But Jacob didn't need Commander Shepard to save his ass! Like Ashley did.What has either Kaidan or Ashley even done, apart from Shepard's command and direction?

Jacob was the main protagonist of Mass Effect Galaxy:

And he saved the Citadel Council from a horrific

bioterrorism attack.

When Jacob was aboard the passenger liner Arcturian Jade.He took out the batarian attackers and saved the crew and passengers.Kai & Ash for all we know have not even done something like that.

Modifié par ubermensch007, 05 août 2011 - 09:06 .

[CC-Tron]

ubermensch007 wrote...

It has been said that:

“Spectres are not trained, but chosen. Individuals forged in the fire of service and battle—
those whose actions elevate them above the rank and file.”

How is it that Kaidan and Ashley meet these qualifications.But someone as accomplished as  Jacob Taylor is.Is not considered a canidate for Spectre Status?!

He and Ash both survived the attack on Eden Prime.But Jacob didn't need Commander Shepard to save his ass! Like Ashley did.What has either Kaidan or Ashley even done, apart from Shepard's command and direction?

Jacob was the main protagonist of Mass Effect Galaxy:

And he saved the Citadel Council from a horrific

bioterrorism attack.

When Jacob was aboard the passenger liner Arcturian Jade.He took out the batarian attackers and saved the crew and passengers.Kai & Ash for all we know have not even done something like that.

I got the impression that the Council and the general public didn't know that Jacob saved the Citadel. Kaiden and Ashley benefitted from being with Shepard (whether they contibuted significantly or not). Shepard's deeds are well known by the Council and the general public. I agree though that Jacob did more than either of those two and he didn't have a Shepard leading him.

Modifié par CC-Tron, 05 août 2011 - 09:41 .

[GameBoyish]

CC-Tron wrote...

ubermensch007 wrote...

It has been said that:

“Spectres are not trained, but chosen. Individuals forged in the fire of service and battle—
those whose actions elevate them above the rank and file.”

How is it that Kaidan and Ashley meet these qualifications.But someone as accomplished as  Jacob Taylor is.Is not considered a canidate for Spectre Status?!

He and Ash both survived the attack on Eden Prime.But Jacob didn't need Commander Shepard to save his ass! Like Ashley did.What has either Kaidan or Ashley even done, apart from Shepard's command and direction?

Jacob was the main protagonist of Mass Effect Galaxy:

And he saved the Citadel Council from a horrific

bioterrorism attack.

When Jacob was aboard the passenger liner Arcturian Jade.He took out the batarian attackers and saved the crew and passengers.Kai & Ash for all we know have not even done something like that.

I got the impression that the Council and the general public didn't know that Jacob saved the Citadel. Kaiden and Ashley benefitted from being with Shepard (whether they contibuted significantly or not). Shepard's deeds are well known by the Council and the general public. I agree though that Jacob did more than either of those two and he didn't have a Shepard leading him.

Sigh What a shame. But it makes sense why TIM would find him useful.